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15 day trial period?

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by The Analyst, Oct 4, 2003.

  1. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 04:34:41 -0000, isocom79@hotmail.com (D D) posted
    in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >I feel secure in my opinions here and in person.


    So what's your "secure" opinion of a v60p on a family plan?



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  2. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 21:18:48 GMT, "Booger" <nospam@please.com> posted
    in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >I loved my Startac and assumed that Motorola kept
    >their phones as good. Wrong.


    They did. I love my v60. Just as good (except for the analog power)
    as my 7868.
  3. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 23:11:20 -0000, isocom79@hotmail.com (David
    Domanski) posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >The phone can be directly swapped within 30 days for the same model. If
    >the phone gave you so much shit why didn't you adhere to your 15-day
    >Return Policy? Its not Verizon's fault your going to be out of town,
    >deal with it.


    And here you see an "official" version of "if it's your problem, it's
    our problem".

    It's so nice that *some* CSRs actually know what "customer service"
    means. And that a few of them work for Verizon.

    >The quality of the phone is subject to opinion but seeing as at my store
    >the T720 has become a rarity for returns or defects IMHO but accurate
    >opinion its a Good Quality Phone.


    >Do you always go based on hearsay?


    How much "hearsay" is his having had to return 3 dud phones in a row?
    Three out of three is ... hmmm ... let's see, now ... something close
    to 100% failure rate. Very close.

    >Do you realize how many T720 were sold? It was Verizon's best selling
    >phone during the Christmas and Winter season. out of my store alone we
    >consistently activated 2, 3, 4 lines with *ONLY* T720s and the great
    >majority of those people HAVEN'T come back with problems.


    Nine out of 10 sheeple accept what they're given and don't complain.
    That's the only reason people with your attitude aren't unemployed.
  4. Booger

    Booger Guest

    Al, if you would like to part of my formal complaint to Verizon against
    David Domanski, please email me at domanskicomplaints@yahoo.com.


    "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.org> wrote in message
    news:9on3ov04iog6qvi2lganslkcpv6g6csjsb@Pern.rk...
    > On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 23:11:20 -0000, isocom79@hotmail.com (David
    > Domanski) posted in alt.cellular.verizon:
    >
    > >The phone can be directly swapped within 30 days for the same model. If
    > >the phone gave you so much shit why didn't you adhere to your 15-day
    > >Return Policy? Its not Verizon's fault your going to be out of town,
    > >deal with it.

    >
    > And here you see an "official" version of "if it's your problem, it's
    > our problem".
    >
    > It's so nice that *some* CSRs actually know what "customer service"
    > means. And that a few of them work for Verizon.
    >
    > >The quality of the phone is subject to opinion but seeing as at my store
    > >the T720 has become a rarity for returns or defects IMHO but accurate
    > >opinion its a Good Quality Phone.

    >
    > >Do you always go based on hearsay?

    >
    > How much "hearsay" is his having had to return 3 dud phones in a row?
    > Three out of three is ... hmmm ... let's see, now ... something close
    > to 100% failure rate. Very close.
    >
    > >Do you realize how many T720 were sold? It was Verizon's best selling
    > >phone during the Christmas and Winter season. out of my store alone we
    > >consistently activated 2, 3, 4 lines with *ONLY* T720s and the great
    > >majority of those people HAVEN'T come back with problems.

    >
    > Nine out of 10 sheeple accept what they're given and don't complain.
    > That's the only reason people with your attitude aren't unemployed.
  5. Booger

    Booger Guest

    "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.org> wrote in message
    news:5mn3ovk4gpbpi8d5rjd73grho0ua0o51cm@Pern.rk...
    > On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 21:18:48 GMT, "Booger" <nospam@please.com> posted
    > in alt.cellular.verizon:
    >
    > >I loved my Startac and assumed that Motorola kept
    > >their phones as good. Wrong.

    >
    > They did. I love my v60. Just as good (except for the analog power)
    > as my 7868.


    I wanted a V60 but could not find the non-ptt version anywhere. However I am
    in love with Samsung A310. Thank God there are some Verizon CSAs, unlike
    David Domanski, who actually give a rats ass about customer satisfaction.
  6. dave:maybe verizon should quit selling junk,one example is the 720 that
    they just renumbered as 730,but overall is the same phone,same
    problems.maybe find out what store you work for and post in local
    newspaper and see how many people you have been shitty too and see who
    has had problems with 720 and 730 phones,and how many you didnt do
    anything about.then see how fast a lawsuit can be filed against you and
    verizonwireless.then see how fast you are unemployed for being so
    stupid.i had troubles with 720 i had,got csr like you.went to regional
    president and got it replaced out.am waiting to see if call center
    csr.are fired yet,and local store manager is gone too.if not yet i can
    say for certain that when i am done,they will be gone.even if it costs
    verizon millions of dollars in class action suits.its because of idiots
    like you that companys have so many problems,like sprint.but good luck
    staying employed for much longer.

    isocom79@hotmail.com (David Domanski) wrote in article
    <vo198okh9jgtd6@corp.supernews.com>:
    >
    >
    > "Booger" <nospam@please.com> wrote in article
    > <6a2786d5ef5ddc8ecb0d86b2642b140a@news.meganetnews.com>:
    > > "David Domanski" <isocom79@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > > news:vnuok3nudvp625@corp.supernews.com...
    > >
    > >
    > > >

    > > Wrong. I changed a T730 three times in 10 ten days because they were all
    > > pieces of shit that rebooted, dropped calls or didn't ring. Then I had to go
    > > out of town on business and the last 730 was crapping on me. I called
    > > Verizon and said that I was sick of this and want a different model phone
    > > but could not be back in town for another two weeks. They extended the 15
    > > days to 30 and I exchanged for a Samsung when I got home. This phone works
    > > perfectly.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >

    >
    > The phone can be directly swapped within 30 days for the same model. If
    > the phone gave you so much shit why didn't you adhere to your 15-day
    > Return Policy? Its not Verizon's fault your going to be out of town,
    > deal with it.
    >
    >
    >
    > >
    > >
    > > So that's why I went through three 730s and that's why the store in
    > > Cincinnati had two buckets full of 720s that were returned and they told me
    > > the 730 is not much better. Of course they only told me that AFTER I
    > > returned the third one. There was another guy two places behind me in line
    > > returning his 2nd 730. I loved my Startac and assumed that Motorola kept
    > > their phones as good. Wrong.
    > >
    > >

    >
    > The quality of the phone is subject to opinion but seeing as at my store
    > the T720 has become a rarity for returns or defects IMHO but accurate
    > opinion its a Good Quality Phone.
    >
    > Do you always go based on hearsay?
    >
    > Do you realize how many T720 were sold? It was Verizon's best selling
    > phone during the Christmas and Winter season. out of my store alone we
    > consistently activated 2, 3, 4 lines with *ONLY* T720s and the great
    > majority of those people HAVEN'T come back with problems. The return
    > ratio of T720s to the amount sold is equal to that of any other phone.
    > it just so happens more T720s sold than any other phone Verizon has
    > offered recently.
    >
    > If say 150,000 T720s were sold, lets say 1 out of 5 are returned for a
    > problem. Thats 30,000
    >
    > Lets say 20,000 AudioVox 9500s were sold, lets say 1 out of 5
    > are returned for a problem. Thats 4,000.
    >
    > Those numbers obviously aren't 100% accurate but my point is based on
    > those numbers 7.5 times more T720s were sold. Based on the law of
    > averages which would you think would be returned more? No brainer
    > really.
    >
    >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Just wait. They're new on the market and will be coming back in droves.
    > >
    > >
    > >

    >
    > Doubt it.
    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  7. David D

    David D Guest

    Al Klein <rukbat@pern.org> wrote in article
    <pjn3ovkb0i69g665hudonv262gpvb2npm9@Pern.rk>:
    > On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 04:34:41 -0000, isocom79@hotmail.com (D D) posted
    > in alt.cellular.verizon:
    >
    > >I feel secure in my opinions here and in person.

    >
    > So what's your "secure" opinion of a v60p on a family plan?


    Thats not subject to my opinion. the V60p CANNOT be used on a shared
    plan. if you manage to get it on one expect to be called or to have
    very high bills for usage.

    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  8. David D

    David D Guest

    mitch_44@yahoo.com (mitchell friend) wrote in article
    <vo3sapshpmba81@corp.supernews.com>:
    > dave:maybe verizon should quit selling junk,one example is the 720 that
    > they just renumbered as 730,but overall is the same phone,same
    > problems.maybe find out what store you work for and post in local
    > newspaper and see how many people you have been shitty too and see who
    > has had problems with 720 and 730 phones,and how many you didnt do
    > anything about.then see how fast a lawsuit can be filed against you and
    > verizonwireless.then see how fast you are unemployed for being so
    > stupid.i had troubles with 720 i had,got csr like you.went to regional
    > president and got it replaced out.am waiting to see if call center
    > csr.are fired yet,and local store manager is gone too.if not yet i can
    > say for certain that when i am done,they will be gone.even if it costs
    > verizon millions of dollars in class action suits.its because of idiots
    > like you that companys have so many problems,like sprint.but good luck
    > staying employed for much longer.
    >


    > [posted via phonescoop.com]


    hahaha.....go ahead and complain if its suits you I fully expect nothing
    to happen seeing as this is a internet newsgroup and if you truely want
    to do the legwork than hey go for it. I won't expect anything because
    my customers walk out satisfied.

    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  9. Booger <nospam@please.com> wrote:

    > In fact, I have been looking at your posts for the past several weeks and
    > you take a very rude and insulting attitude with many other customers as
    > well. This is something that needs to be and will be brought to Verizon's
    > attention.


    FWIW, although some of the posts I've seen are polite, they all display an
    attitude. I would never want to talk to David either.

    I mean, *I* have been called a Sprint and VZW apologist, but jeezus...
    some of David's posts put me to shame.

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & Multimedia Services
    22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
    Steve Sobol, Proprietor
    888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * sjsobol@JustThe.net
  10. D D <isocom79@hotmail.com> wrote:
    > I'll let you assume what you will it doesn't really matter to me. my
    > employment is safe and if you really seriously want to do the legwork to
    > follow something as obsecure as a few posts on a PUBLIC newsgroup than
    > so be it.


    Dude, you're a *dick* on this newsgroup. I hope you don't treat your in-store
    customers the same way. And it is trivial, should someone really get pissed at
    you, to trace where the posts came from.


    > I am happy to hear your willingness to forward something as simple as
    > this to Customer Service and eventually it may work its way to my
    > supervisor and so what you want to run and tell Verizon about my
    > opinions go for it.


    It's not your opinions. You act like a complete asshole here, apparently
    because you think that posting on Usenet via a Hotmail account gives you
    some measure of anonymity.

    And people who conduct themselves the way you *apparently* do (remember, most
    of us can't judge by anything other than your posts) don't belong in CS or in
    sales. Read your posts. You're right, everyone else is wrong, every time.

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & Multimedia Services
    22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
    Steve Sobol, Proprietor
    888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * sjsobol@JustThe.net
  11. Steven J Sobol wrote:

    > D D <isocom79@hotmail.com> wrote:
    >> I'll let you assume what you will it doesn't really matter to me. my
    >> employment is safe and if you really seriously want to do the legwork to
    >> follow something as obsecure as a few posts on a PUBLIC newsgroup than
    >> so be it.

    >
    > Dude, you're a *dick* on this newsgroup. I hope you don't treat your
    > in-store customers the same way. And it is trivial, should someone really
    > get pissed at you, to trace where the posts came from.
    >
    >
    >> I am happy to hear your willingness to forward something as simple as
    >> this to Customer Service and eventually it may work its way to my
    >> supervisor and so what you want to run and tell Verizon about my
    >> opinions go for it.

    >
    > It's not your opinions. You act like a complete asshole here, apparently
    > because you think that posting on Usenet via a Hotmail account gives you
    > some measure of anonymity.
    >
    > And people who conduct themselves the way you *apparently* do (remember,
    > most of us can't judge by anything other than your posts) don't belong in
    > CS or in sales. Read your posts. You're right, everyone else is wrong,
    > every time.
    >


    Amen.
  12. David D

    David D Guest

    Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in article
    <KuGdnTr1Hpy1iB-iXTWJjg@lmi.net>:

    >
    > Dude, you're a *dick* on this newsgroup. I hope you don't treat your in-store
    > customers the same way. And it is trivial, should someone really get pissed at
    > you, to trace where the posts came from.
    >
    >
    >


    Despensing frustrations i guess. Since i hold my breath so to speak
    when on the job i vented here. Its incredibly annoying to always renig
    contract agreements or bypass the exchange periods. I understand its
    done with Verizon's Worry Free Guarantee of "Your problem becomes our
    problem the First time". I just don't understand why people don't try
    to follow the rules given them. It likes going to Best Buy or Home
    Depot and essentially complaining enough until you get what you want. I
    agree its shit to come into a store and be treated how I've spoken here,
    but believe me when a customer throws a phone at you or yells, becomes
    irate your attitude however much you bottle it up while at work when you
    come home you almost have to find a way to vent it.

    I'll formally apoligize to any Verizon customers i may have offended,
    working in retail IMO is the hardest profession to be in. But hey if
    "Booger" really wants to email the upper echelons of Verizon's Customer
    Service Department all because of a few posts on a Public Newsgroup than
    so be it, I'll deal with it because I know its rather insignificant. I
    can see if he came into my store and I treated him like that but
    honestly I make sure they leave my store thinking Verizon is the best
    thing out there, why create animosity.

    And what can i say, i generally state my opinions.

    > It's not your opinions. You act like a complete asshole here, apparently
    > because you think that posting on Usenet via a Hotmail account gives you
    > some measure of anonymity.
    >
    >
    >
    >



    No, actually i don't care to have anonymity, I have had my hotmail
    account for 5 years almost now i could really careless about that. Its
    my main account i use it for all my general emails nothing more.

    If you think me as an asshole then hey someone has to do it, right?




    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  13. thanks for replying to steven,know i can trace you.

    isocom79@hotmail.com (David D) wrote in article
    <vo46jcmimhch0f@corp.supernews.com>:
    >
    >
    > Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in article
    > <KuGdnTr1Hpy1iB-iXTWJjg@lmi.net>:
    >
    > >
    > > Dude, you're a *dick* on this newsgroup. I hope you don't treat your in-store
    > > customers the same way. And it is trivial, should someone really get pissed at
    > > you, to trace where the posts came from.
    > >
    > >
    > >

    >
    > Despensing frustrations i guess. Since i hold my breath so to speak
    > when on the job i vented here. Its incredibly annoying to always renig
    > contract agreements or bypass the exchange periods. I understand its
    > done with Verizon's Worry Free Guarantee of "Your problem becomes our
    > problem the First time". I just don't understand why people don't try
    > to follow the rules given them. It likes going to Best Buy or Home
    > Depot and essentially complaining enough until you get what you want. I
    > agree its shit to come into a store and be treated how I've spoken here,
    > but believe me when a customer throws a phone at you or yells, becomes
    > irate your attitude however much you bottle it up while at work when you
    > come home you almost have to find a way to vent it.
    >
    > I'll formally apoligize to any Verizon customers i may have offended,
    > working in retail IMO is the hardest profession to be in. But hey if
    > "Booger" really wants to email the upper echelons of Verizon's Customer
    > Service Department all because of a few posts on a Public Newsgroup than
    > so be it, I'll deal with it because I know its rather insignificant. I
    > can see if he came into my store and I treated him like that but
    > honestly I make sure they leave my store thinking Verizon is the best
    > thing out there, why create animosity.
    >
    > And what can i say, i generally state my opinions.
    >
    > > It's not your opinions. You act like a complete asshole here, apparently
    > > because you think that posting on Usenet via a Hotmail account gives you
    > > some measure of anonymity.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
    > No, actually i don't care to have anonymity, I have had my hotmail
    > account for 5 years almost now i could really careless about that. Its
    > my main account i use it for all my general emails nothing more.
    >
    > If you think me as an asshole then hey someone has to do it, right?
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  14. David D

    David D Guest

    mitch_44@yahoo.com (mitchell friend) wrote in article
    <vo47dshcd4tv3c@corp.supernews.com>:
    > thanks for replying to steven,know i can trace you.
    >
    >
    >
    >


    Thanks for letting me know.

    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  15. Eric

    Eric Guest

    <<The verizon people I dealt with were very nice and did not have your
    "tough shit, drop dead" attitude. They wanted a satisfied customer and
    now they have one. >>

    Same here. I am coming from using Sprint PCS for the past two years,
    and comparing the two, Verizon's Customer Service is like night and day.

    Eric
  16. Eric

    Eric Guest

    <<FWIW, although some of the posts I've seen are polite, they all
    display an attitude. I would never want to talk to David either. >>

    Same here.

    Eric
  17. Eric

    Eric Guest

    <<I'll formally apoligize to any Verizon customers i may have offended,
    working in retail IMO is the hardest profession to be in.>>

    You are absolutely correct there. I work in retail and one of the
    toughest things for me to do is let some customer get away with
    something I know they don't have a right to. But on the same token, I
    know that my job is Customer Service, and therefore, I have to bite my
    tongue and let things go as they may. Its tough to be courtious to
    someone you know is playing the company/store. But that is our job...

    Maybe the best thing for you to do is to vent to family and/or friends
    instead of "venting" on here. When people know you work for Verizon and
    you vent at the same time, it makes everything look bad -- probably
    worse than it actually is.

    Working in retail is one of the *toughest* jobs there is to do. You
    just have to remember that not all customers are out to cheat the
    system, and that there are some good ones out there. We just can't let
    our bad days get in the way of anyone who needs our help or advice.

    Eric
  18. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:46:15 GMT, "Booger" <nospam@please.com> posted
    in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.org> wrote in message
    >news:5mn3ovk4gpbpi8d5rjd73grho0ua0o51cm@Pern.rk...
    >> On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 21:18:48 GMT, "Booger" <nospam@please.com> posted
    >> in alt.cellular.verizon:


    >> >I loved my Startac and assumed that Motorola kept
    >> >their phones as good. Wrong.


    >> They did. I love my v60. Just as good (except for the analog power)
    >> as my 7868.


    >I wanted a V60 but could not find the non-ptt version anywhere.


    All over the web, but I specifically wanted the speakerphone version,
    so mine has the extra (PTT) button.

    >However I am
    >in love with Samsung A310. Thank God there are some Verizon CSAs, unlike
    >David Domanski, who actually give a rats ass about customer satisfaction.


    I found that most of them do. Some of them (okay, many of them) just
    don't know enough to give you something that'll satisfy you. I've
    rarely met someone as wrong as Domanski who's as sure of himself as
    Domanski is, and it's even more rare to find a Verizon CSR - in a
    Verizon store - who is. It didn't used to be, but it seems as if the
    idiots are being weeded out, slowly, to be sure, but definitely out.
  19. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 01:04:01 -0000, isocom79@hotmail.com (David D)
    posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >Al Klein <rukbat@pern.org> wrote in article
    ><pjn3ovkb0i69g665hudonv262gpvb2npm9@Pern.rk>:
    >> On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 04:34:41 -0000, isocom79@hotmail.com (D D) posted
    >> in alt.cellular.verizon:


    >> >I feel secure in my opinions here and in person.


    >> So what's your "secure" opinion of a v60p on a family plan?


    >Thats not subject to my opinion. the V60p CANNOT be used on a shared
    >plan. if you manage to get it on one expect to be called or to have
    >very high bills for usage.


    At least you're consistent. Consistently wrong.

    A) Verizon is subject to contracts they've signed. I have one
    guaranteeing me a V60P on a family plan, so Verizon is stuck with that
    by contract law. If their rep did something wrong, that's between
    them and a representative they freely employed - it has nothing to do
    with me. I can hold them to their written contract just as surely as
    they can hold me to an early termination fee. They should have read
    what they signed.

    B) My phone doesn't transmit when it's not supposed to, regardless of
    your misinformed opinion.

    C) My usage shows no more time used than it would have (or did) over
    any similar period in the past. If I'm charged for time I didn't use
    Verizon will have to make a correction - again, according to the
    contract they freely signed, and which they're legally responsible for
    living up to.

    D) Maybe you should try learning something. At present your lack of
    knowledge would fill the Library of Congress and spill out into the
    surrounding 5 states.
  20. David D <isocom79@hotmail.com> wrote:

    > Despensing frustrations i guess.


    OK, well let me tell you right now, every *single* job I've ever worked has
    been Customer Service-related. Stress is a part of the job, and I can
    sympathize with you here. I've done sales, I've done tech support, I've done
    CS.

    > problem the First time". I just don't understand why people don't try
    > to follow the rules given them. It likes going to Best Buy or Home
    > Depot and essentially complaining enough until you get what you want. I
    > agree its shit to come into a store and be treated how I've spoken here,
    > but believe me when a customer throws a phone at you or yells, becomes
    > irate your attitude however much you bottle it up while at work when you
    > come home you almost have to find a way to vent it.


    OK, couple things.

    If a customer becomes physically abusive or starts screaming, you should have
    the right to kick him/her out of the store and call the cops if you think it
    is necessary. If VZ company policy doesn't allow for this, you need to find
    another job. FAST.

    The other thing is... this thing about people not following directions...
    I used to work as a CSR at a gas station (back when my employer shifted from
    calling cashiers/gas pumpers "station attendants" to calling them "customer
    service reps"). I got crap for wages, and everyone thought I was a complete
    idiot who couldn't find a better job (granted, that would be accurate based
    on the intelligence levels of a couple of total losers I had to work with :)
    but I was between jobs and needed some quick income, and there was a position
    open. Anyhow, aside from the lack of respect I got from a lot of customers
    (goes with the territory when you're a gas station cashier), I noticed a lot
    of people kept asking me how to work the pumps. Note that we had the
    instructions clearly printed on each pump... but people don't read. THen there
    were the few people who got really, really pissed off at me when I wouldn't
    turn on their pumps because they were smoking - one in particular who could
    have probably beat the crap out of me if he wanted to. (On the other hand, it
    was third shift, none of the other stores were open 24 hours, and I was locked
    in and willing to leave his pump turned off all night if necessary.)

    Point is, it just goes with the territory... like I said, I can totally
    sympathize with you about the stress level, but for some reason, I like
    CS/support jobs (glutton for punishment, thank you!)

    I guess the good experiences outnumber the bad in my case. And I'm
    a people person. Except in the morning, when I'm an asshole. <vbg>

    > If you think me as an asshole then hey someone has to do it, right?


    Well, in your defense, you probably have a lot of stuff to deal with, and
    it makes it worse because Joe Sixpack probably walks in with the "it's a
    cellular provider, they're going to try to screw me" mentality in the first
    place. I think a lot of this could be avoided by the average retail customer
    educating themselves a little better, but in THEIR defense, I think a lot of
    them want to, but find it hard to do. Cellular companies vary so much from
    market to market - how do you find the right one? Coverage isn't the same
    from carrier to carrier or even from neighborhood to neighborhood with the
    SAME carrier.

    I don't have problems with my carriers... either of them, Sprint or Verizon.
    But I know what to expect from them. A lot of people don't - not because they
    are stupid, but because there is a lot to know and there isn't necessarily
    a single resource to go to to get educated.

    If you want to dump, e-mail me and we'll trade war stories. I have a couple
    real good ones.

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & Multimedia Services
    22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
    Steve Sobol, Proprietor
    888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * sjsobol@JustThe.net

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