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3589i external antenna?

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by smokey mike, Jun 17, 2004.

  1. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    David L <davidlind@my-deja.com> wrote:
    : I took apaart my 3585i and here's what I found. The only metallic
    : contact the external antenna has with the phone, is in the down or
    : shorted position, when the external is disengaged. There's no direct
    : electrical contact in the up position with the external antenna.

    <snip>

    : The GPS and patch are always connected, at least mechanically. The
    : supplied external antenna is looking more and more like a placebo.

    I've always suspected this - extending the external antenna on my
    3589i never seems to make any difference in my average signal
    strength. When I put the phone into test mode, I can not see any
    difference, on average, by leaving the antenna completely up or down.
    Signal strength will always flunctuate regardless of the antenna, so I
    so kind of look at the average.

    Andrew
    --
    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
    *******************************************************************
    ----> http://www.bizave.com <---- Photo Albums and Portland Info
    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
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  2. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    David L <davidlind@my-deja.com> wrote:
    : I took apaart my 3585i and here's what I found. The only metallic
    : contact the external antenna has with the phone, is in the down or
    : shorted position, when the external is disengaged. There's no direct
    : electrical contact in the up position with the external antenna.

    <snip>

    : The GPS and patch are always connected, at least mechanically. The
    : supplied external antenna is looking more and more like a placebo.

    I've always suspected this - extending the external antenna on my
    3589i never seems to make any difference in my average signal
    strength. When I put the phone into test mode, I can not see any
    difference, on average, by leaving the antenna completely up or down.
    Signal strength will always flunctuate regardless of the antenna, so I
    so kind of look at the average.

    Andrew
    --
    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
    *******************************************************************
    ----> http://www.bizave.com <---- Photo Albums and Portland Info
    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
    *******************************************************************
     
  3. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    David L <davidlind@my-deja.com> wrote:
    : I took apaart my 3585i and here's what I found. The only metallic
    : contact the external antenna has with the phone, is in the down or
    : shorted position, when the external is disengaged. There's no direct
    : electrical contact in the up position with the external antenna.

    <snip>

    : The GPS and patch are always connected, at least mechanically. The
    : supplied external antenna is looking more and more like a placebo.

    I've always suspected this - extending the external antenna on my
    3589i never seems to make any difference in my average signal
    strength. When I put the phone into test mode, I can not see any
    difference, on average, by leaving the antenna completely up or down.
    Signal strength will always flunctuate regardless of the antenna, so I
    so kind of look at the average.

    Andrew
    --
    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
    *******************************************************************
    ----> http://www.bizave.com <---- Photo Albums and Portland Info
    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
    *******************************************************************
     
  4. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    David L <davidlind@my-deja.com> wrote:
    : I took apaart my 3585i and here's what I found. The only metallic
    : contact the external antenna has with the phone, is in the down or
    : shorted position, when the external is disengaged. There's no direct
    : electrical contact in the up position with the external antenna.

    <snip>

    : The GPS and patch are always connected, at least mechanically. The
    : supplied external antenna is looking more and more like a placebo.

    I've always suspected this - extending the external antenna on my
    3589i never seems to make any difference in my average signal
    strength. When I put the phone into test mode, I can not see any
    difference, on average, by leaving the antenna completely up or down.
    Signal strength will always flunctuate regardless of the antenna, so I
    so kind of look at the average.

    Andrew
    --
    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
    *******************************************************************
    ----> http://www.bizave.com <---- Photo Albums and Portland Info
    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
    *******************************************************************
     
  5. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    David L <davidlind@my-deja.com> wrote:
    : I took apaart my 3585i and here's what I found. The only metallic
    : contact the external antenna has with the phone, is in the down or
    : shorted position, when the external is disengaged. There's no direct
    : electrical contact in the up position with the external antenna.

    <snip>

    : The GPS and patch are always connected, at least mechanically. The
    : supplied external antenna is looking more and more like a placebo.

    I've always suspected this - extending the external antenna on my
    3589i never seems to make any difference in my average signal
    strength. When I put the phone into test mode, I can not see any
    difference, on average, by leaving the antenna completely up or down.
    Signal strength will always flunctuate regardless of the antenna, so I
    so kind of look at the average.

    Andrew
    --
    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
    *******************************************************************
    ----> http://www.bizave.com <---- Photo Albums and Portland Info
    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
    *******************************************************************
     
  6. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    David L <davidlind@my-deja.com> wrote:
    : I took apaart my 3585i and here's what I found. The only metallic
    : contact the external antenna has with the phone, is in the down or
    : shorted position, when the external is disengaged. There's no direct
    : electrical contact in the up position with the external antenna.

    <snip>

    : The GPS and patch are always connected, at least mechanically. The
    : supplied external antenna is looking more and more like a placebo.

    I've always suspected this - extending the external antenna on my
    3589i never seems to make any difference in my average signal
    strength. When I put the phone into test mode, I can not see any
    difference, on average, by leaving the antenna completely up or down.
    Signal strength will always flunctuate regardless of the antenna, so I
    so kind of look at the average.

    Andrew
    --
    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
    *******************************************************************
    ----> http://www.bizave.com <---- Photo Albums and Portland Info
    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
    *******************************************************************
     
  7. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    David L <davidlind@my-deja.com> wrote:
    : I took apaart my 3585i and here's what I found. The only metallic
    : contact the external antenna has with the phone, is in the down or
    : shorted position, when the external is disengaged. There's no direct
    : electrical contact in the up position with the external antenna.

    <snip>

    : The GPS and patch are always connected, at least mechanically. The
    : supplied external antenna is looking more and more like a placebo.

    I've always suspected this - extending the external antenna on my
    3589i never seems to make any difference in my average signal
    strength. When I put the phone into test mode, I can not see any
    difference, on average, by leaving the antenna completely up or down.
    Signal strength will always flunctuate regardless of the antenna, so I
    so kind of look at the average.

    Andrew
    --
    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
    *******************************************************************
    ----> http://www.bizave.com <---- Photo Albums and Portland Info
    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
    *******************************************************************
     
  8. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    David L <davidlind@my-deja.com> wrote:
    : I took apaart my 3585i and here's what I found. The only metallic
    : contact the external antenna has with the phone, is in the down or
    : shorted position, when the external is disengaged. There's no direct
    : electrical contact in the up position with the external antenna.

    <snip>

    : The GPS and patch are always connected, at least mechanically. The
    : supplied external antenna is looking more and more like a placebo.

    I've always suspected this - extending the external antenna on my
    3589i never seems to make any difference in my average signal
    strength. When I put the phone into test mode, I can not see any
    difference, on average, by leaving the antenna completely up or down.
    Signal strength will always flunctuate regardless of the antenna, so I
    so kind of look at the average.

    Andrew
    --
    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
    *******************************************************************
    ----> http://www.bizave.com <---- Photo Albums and Portland Info
    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
    *******************************************************************
     
  9. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    David L <davidlind@my-deja.com> wrote:
    : I took apaart my 3585i and here's what I found. The only metallic
    : contact the external antenna has with the phone, is in the down or
    : shorted position, when the external is disengaged. There's no direct
    : electrical contact in the up position with the external antenna.

    <snip>

    : The GPS and patch are always connected, at least mechanically. The
    : supplied external antenna is looking more and more like a placebo.

    I've always suspected this - extending the external antenna on my
    3589i never seems to make any difference in my average signal
    strength. When I put the phone into test mode, I can not see any
    difference, on average, by leaving the antenna completely up or down.
    Signal strength will always flunctuate regardless of the antenna, so I
    so kind of look at the average.

    Andrew
    --
    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
    *******************************************************************
    ----> http://www.bizave.com <---- Photo Albums and Portland Info
    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
    *******************************************************************
     
  10. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    David L <davidlind@my-deja.com> wrote:
    : I took apaart my 3585i and here's what I found. The only metallic
    : contact the external antenna has with the phone, is in the down or
    : shorted position, when the external is disengaged. There's no direct
    : electrical contact in the up position with the external antenna.

    <snip>

    : The GPS and patch are always connected, at least mechanically. The
    : supplied external antenna is looking more and more like a placebo.

    I've always suspected this - extending the external antenna on my
    3589i never seems to make any difference in my average signal
    strength. When I put the phone into test mode, I can not see any
    difference, on average, by leaving the antenna completely up or down.
    Signal strength will always flunctuate regardless of the antenna, so I
    so kind of look at the average.

    Andrew
    --
    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
    *******************************************************************
    ----> http://www.bizave.com <---- Photo Albums and Portland Info
    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
    *******************************************************************
     
  11. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    David L <davidlind@my-deja.com> wrote:
    : I took apaart my 3585i and here's what I found. The only metallic
    : contact the external antenna has with the phone, is in the down or
    : shorted position, when the external is disengaged. There's no direct
    : electrical contact in the up position with the external antenna.

    <snip>

    : The GPS and patch are always connected, at least mechanically. The
    : supplied external antenna is looking more and more like a placebo.

    I've always suspected this - extending the external antenna on my
    3589i never seems to make any difference in my average signal
    strength. When I put the phone into test mode, I can not see any
    difference, on average, by leaving the antenna completely up or down.
    Signal strength will always flunctuate regardless of the antenna, so I
    so kind of look at the average.

    Andrew
    --
    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
    *******************************************************************
    ----> http://www.bizave.com <---- Photo Albums and Portland Info
    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
    *******************************************************************
     
  12. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    David L <davidlind@my-deja.com> wrote:
    : I took apaart my 3585i and here's what I found. The only metallic
    : contact the external antenna has with the phone, is in the down or
    : shorted position, when the external is disengaged. There's no direct
    : electrical contact in the up position with the external antenna.

    <snip>

    : The GPS and patch are always connected, at least mechanically. The
    : supplied external antenna is looking more and more like a placebo.

    I've always suspected this - extending the external antenna on my
    3589i never seems to make any difference in my average signal
    strength. When I put the phone into test mode, I can not see any
    difference, on average, by leaving the antenna completely up or down.
    Signal strength will always flunctuate regardless of the antenna, so I
    so kind of look at the average.

    Andrew
    --
    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
    *******************************************************************
    ----> http://www.bizave.com <---- Photo Albums and Portland Info
    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
    *******************************************************************
     
  13. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    David L <davidlind@my-deja.com> wrote:
    : I took apaart my 3585i and here's what I found. The only metallic
    : contact the external antenna has with the phone, is in the down or
    : shorted position, when the external is disengaged. There's no direct
    : electrical contact in the up position with the external antenna.

    <snip>

    : The GPS and patch are always connected, at least mechanically. The
    : supplied external antenna is looking more and more like a placebo.

    I've always suspected this - extending the external antenna on my
    3589i never seems to make any difference in my average signal
    strength. When I put the phone into test mode, I can not see any
    difference, on average, by leaving the antenna completely up or down.
    Signal strength will always flunctuate regardless of the antenna, so I
    so kind of look at the average.

    Andrew
    --
    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
    *******************************************************************
    ----> http://www.bizave.com <---- Photo Albums and Portland Info
    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
    *******************************************************************
     
  14. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    David L <davidlind@my-deja.com> wrote:
    : I took apaart my 3585i and here's what I found. The only metallic
    : contact the external antenna has with the phone, is in the down or
    : shorted position, when the external is disengaged. There's no direct
    : electrical contact in the up position with the external antenna.

    <snip>

    : The GPS and patch are always connected, at least mechanically. The
    : supplied external antenna is looking more and more like a placebo.

    I've always suspected this - extending the external antenna on my
    3589i never seems to make any difference in my average signal
    strength. When I put the phone into test mode, I can not see any
    difference, on average, by leaving the antenna completely up or down.
    Signal strength will always flunctuate regardless of the antenna, so I
    so kind of look at the average.

    Andrew
    --
    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
    *******************************************************************
    ----> http://www.bizave.com <---- Photo Albums and Portland Info
    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
    *******************************************************************
     
  15. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    David L <davidlind@my-deja.com> wrote:
    : I took apaart my 3585i and here's what I found. The only metallic
    : contact the external antenna has with the phone, is in the down or
    : shorted position, when the external is disengaged. There's no direct
    : electrical contact in the up position with the external antenna.

    <snip>

    : The GPS and patch are always connected, at least mechanically. The
    : supplied external antenna is looking more and more like a placebo.

    I've always suspected this - extending the external antenna on my
    3589i never seems to make any difference in my average signal
    strength. When I put the phone into test mode, I can not see any
    difference, on average, by leaving the antenna completely up or down.
    Signal strength will always flunctuate regardless of the antenna, so I
    so kind of look at the average.

    Andrew
    --
    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
    *******************************************************************
    ----> http://www.bizave.com <---- Photo Albums and Portland Info
    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
    *******************************************************************
     
  16. In article <e1705cb3.0406191227.2ede9fe1@posting.google.com>,
    David L <davidlind@my-deja.com> wrote:
    >I took apaart my 3585i and here's what I found. The only metallic
    >contact the external antenna has with the phone, is in the down or
    >shorted position, when the external is disengaged. There's no direct
    >electrical contact in the up position with the external antenna.
    >Appears to be an Inductive type". If there's some gain from the
    >external, it's from the proximity of the the external to the other
    >receiver components. This is easy to verify by unsnapping the patch
    >antenna. There's two tabs, just above the battery. Release and gently
    >pry up from the bottom. there's one smaller tab on the left top
    >corner.
    >
    >One can see the ~35mm GPS antenna segment above the patch cellular
    >antenna. Didn't notice any antenna pattern inside the plastic patch.
    >The entire silver colered section is mettalic
    >
    >The GPS and patch are always connected, at least mechanically. The
    >supplied external antenna is looking more and more like a placebo.


    I just took apart a 3585i. Amazing - same thing. But then I never noticed
    much difference with the antenna extended.

    This probably explains why the 6585, which has no external antenna,
    has comparable reception to the 3585i-3589i. Apparently, Verizon
    isn't going to carry the 6585, even though it undoubtedly would be
    quite popular (it is very similar to the Nokia 6200).

    All this makes me wonder about the relationship between Nokia and VZW.
     
  17. In article <e1705cb3.0406191227.2ede9fe1@posting.google.com>,
    David L <davidlind@my-deja.com> wrote:
    >I took apaart my 3585i and here's what I found. The only metallic
    >contact the external antenna has with the phone, is in the down or
    >shorted position, when the external is disengaged. There's no direct
    >electrical contact in the up position with the external antenna.
    >Appears to be an Inductive type". If there's some gain from the
    >external, it's from the proximity of the the external to the other
    >receiver components. This is easy to verify by unsnapping the patch
    >antenna. There's two tabs, just above the battery. Release and gently
    >pry up from the bottom. there's one smaller tab on the left top
    >corner.
    >
    >One can see the ~35mm GPS antenna segment above the patch cellular
    >antenna. Didn't notice any antenna pattern inside the plastic patch.
    >The entire silver colered section is mettalic
    >
    >The GPS and patch are always connected, at least mechanically. The
    >supplied external antenna is looking more and more like a placebo.


    I just took apart a 3585i. Amazing - same thing. But then I never noticed
    much difference with the antenna extended.

    This probably explains why the 6585, which has no external antenna,
    has comparable reception to the 3585i-3589i. Apparently, Verizon
    isn't going to carry the 6585, even though it undoubtedly would be
    quite popular (it is very similar to the Nokia 6200).

    All this makes me wonder about the relationship between Nokia and VZW.
     
  18. In article <e1705cb3.0406191227.2ede9fe1@posting.google.com>,
    David L <davidlind@my-deja.com> wrote:
    >I took apaart my 3585i and here's what I found. The only metallic
    >contact the external antenna has with the phone, is in the down or
    >shorted position, when the external is disengaged. There's no direct
    >electrical contact in the up position with the external antenna.
    >Appears to be an Inductive type". If there's some gain from the
    >external, it's from the proximity of the the external to the other
    >receiver components. This is easy to verify by unsnapping the patch
    >antenna. There's two tabs, just above the battery. Release and gently
    >pry up from the bottom. there's one smaller tab on the left top
    >corner.
    >
    >One can see the ~35mm GPS antenna segment above the patch cellular
    >antenna. Didn't notice any antenna pattern inside the plastic patch.
    >The entire silver colered section is mettalic
    >
    >The GPS and patch are always connected, at least mechanically. The
    >supplied external antenna is looking more and more like a placebo.


    I just took apart a 3585i. Amazing - same thing. But then I never noticed
    much difference with the antenna extended.

    This probably explains why the 6585, which has no external antenna,
    has comparable reception to the 3585i-3589i. Apparently, Verizon
    isn't going to carry the 6585, even though it undoubtedly would be
    quite popular (it is very similar to the Nokia 6200).

    All this makes me wonder about the relationship between Nokia and VZW.
     
  19. In article <e1705cb3.0406191227.2ede9fe1@posting.google.com>,
    David L <davidlind@my-deja.com> wrote:
    >I took apaart my 3585i and here's what I found. The only metallic
    >contact the external antenna has with the phone, is in the down or
    >shorted position, when the external is disengaged. There's no direct
    >electrical contact in the up position with the external antenna.
    >Appears to be an Inductive type". If there's some gain from the
    >external, it's from the proximity of the the external to the other
    >receiver components. This is easy to verify by unsnapping the patch
    >antenna. There's two tabs, just above the battery. Release and gently
    >pry up from the bottom. there's one smaller tab on the left top
    >corner.
    >
    >One can see the ~35mm GPS antenna segment above the patch cellular
    >antenna. Didn't notice any antenna pattern inside the plastic patch.
    >The entire silver colered section is mettalic
    >
    >The GPS and patch are always connected, at least mechanically. The
    >supplied external antenna is looking more and more like a placebo.


    I just took apart a 3585i. Amazing - same thing. But then I never noticed
    much difference with the antenna extended.

    This probably explains why the 6585, which has no external antenna,
    has comparable reception to the 3585i-3589i. Apparently, Verizon
    isn't going to carry the 6585, even though it undoubtedly would be
    quite popular (it is very similar to the Nokia 6200).

    All this makes me wonder about the relationship between Nokia and VZW.
     
  20. In article <e1705cb3.0406191227.2ede9fe1@posting.google.com>,
    David L <davidlind@my-deja.com> wrote:
    >I took apaart my 3585i and here's what I found. The only metallic
    >contact the external antenna has with the phone, is in the down or
    >shorted position, when the external is disengaged. There's no direct
    >electrical contact in the up position with the external antenna.
    >Appears to be an Inductive type". If there's some gain from the
    >external, it's from the proximity of the the external to the other
    >receiver components. This is easy to verify by unsnapping the patch
    >antenna. There's two tabs, just above the battery. Release and gently
    >pry up from the bottom. there's one smaller tab on the left top
    >corner.
    >
    >One can see the ~35mm GPS antenna segment above the patch cellular
    >antenna. Didn't notice any antenna pattern inside the plastic patch.
    >The entire silver colered section is mettalic
    >
    >The GPS and patch are always connected, at least mechanically. The
    >supplied external antenna is looking more and more like a placebo.


    I just took apart a 3585i. Amazing - same thing. But then I never noticed
    much difference with the antenna extended.

    This probably explains why the 6585, which has no external antenna,
    has comparable reception to the 3585i-3589i. Apparently, Verizon
    isn't going to carry the 6585, even though it undoubtedly would be
    quite popular (it is very similar to the Nokia 6200).

    All this makes me wonder about the relationship between Nokia and VZW.
     

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