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"A or B" side?

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Bob, Jul 4, 2004.

  1. Mike

    Mike Guest

    On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 15:13:26 -0500, Steven J Sobol
    <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:

    >Easy. VZW consists of Bell Atlantic Mobile + AirTouch + GTE Wireless +
    >Primeco. AirTouch and GTE Wireless both had a presence in Cleveland. The
    >decision was made to flip AirTouch, which was A, and GTE (B-side) sold off
    >its Cleveland cellular network to Alltel.


    And this is hard for me to remember, because GTE (at the time) was not
    the dominant landline provider in NE Ohio. GTE, of course, got
    swallowed into Verizon (landline), and even so, Verizon only serves
    parts of this area as the ILEC...places like Medina County, etc.

    And to further complicate things, didn't AirTouch come out of Pacific
    Telephone at some point? ;) (Of course, Pacific Bell wasn't ever a
    landline provider HERE, but since all of the various telecom mergers,
    both areas - NE Ohio and California - are now served by what became
    Pacific Bell's successor company, SBC!)

    >No point to roam on Alltel if you're a VZW customer in Cleveland - the
    >footprint is pretty much identical. You CAN roam on Extended Network on
    >Alltel in Youngstown because Verizon isn't in Youngstown.


    I believe in the Triad area of NC (Greensboro, etc.), the Alltel
    network reaches more rural areas than the VZW network. I know I've
    personally landed on Alltel's Triad SID when leaving that area.

    That's why I said "unlikely" when pointing to the prospect of ending
    up "falling through" the PRL to Alltel's SID here in the
    Cleveland/Akron market. I've never had it happen. I know it's
    possible to land on a non-PRL SID that isn't NEG'ed out... my Nokia
    5185i has picked up U.S. Cellular's SID in Southwest Virginia right in
    the heart of VZW's SID 502 (Roanoke)...but that only happened when I
    was deep within the bowels of the Crossroads Mall shopping center in
    Roanoke, waiting at the DMV! The VZW signal went from weak to
    non-existent, and my phone picked up U.S. Cellular as a roaming
    carrier.

    Mike
     



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  2. Mike

    Mike Guest

    On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 15:13:26 -0500, Steven J Sobol
    <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:

    >Easy. VZW consists of Bell Atlantic Mobile + AirTouch + GTE Wireless +
    >Primeco. AirTouch and GTE Wireless both had a presence in Cleveland. The
    >decision was made to flip AirTouch, which was A, and GTE (B-side) sold off
    >its Cleveland cellular network to Alltel.


    And this is hard for me to remember, because GTE (at the time) was not
    the dominant landline provider in NE Ohio. GTE, of course, got
    swallowed into Verizon (landline), and even so, Verizon only serves
    parts of this area as the ILEC...places like Medina County, etc.

    And to further complicate things, didn't AirTouch come out of Pacific
    Telephone at some point? ;) (Of course, Pacific Bell wasn't ever a
    landline provider HERE, but since all of the various telecom mergers,
    both areas - NE Ohio and California - are now served by what became
    Pacific Bell's successor company, SBC!)

    >No point to roam on Alltel if you're a VZW customer in Cleveland - the
    >footprint is pretty much identical. You CAN roam on Extended Network on
    >Alltel in Youngstown because Verizon isn't in Youngstown.


    I believe in the Triad area of NC (Greensboro, etc.), the Alltel
    network reaches more rural areas than the VZW network. I know I've
    personally landed on Alltel's Triad SID when leaving that area.

    That's why I said "unlikely" when pointing to the prospect of ending
    up "falling through" the PRL to Alltel's SID here in the
    Cleveland/Akron market. I've never had it happen. I know it's
    possible to land on a non-PRL SID that isn't NEG'ed out... my Nokia
    5185i has picked up U.S. Cellular's SID in Southwest Virginia right in
    the heart of VZW's SID 502 (Roanoke)...but that only happened when I
    was deep within the bowels of the Crossroads Mall shopping center in
    Roanoke, waiting at the DMV! The VZW signal went from weak to
    non-existent, and my phone picked up U.S. Cellular as a roaming
    carrier.

    Mike
     
  3. Mike <inundated9@yahoo.com> wrote:

    > And this is hard for me to remember, because GTE (at the time) was not
    > the dominant landline provider in NE Ohio. GTE, of course, got
    > swallowed into Verizon (landline), and even so, Verizon only serves
    > parts of this area as the ILEC...places like Medina County, etc.


    GTE will never be the dominant provider in Northeast Ohio. The former owner
    of Cleveland's first ISP is a telecomms consultant who lives in Medina, which
    of course is GTE/Verizon territory, and his impression was always that GTE
    North treated NE Ohio like a bastard child, and would have been happy to
    exit the market completely.

    > And to further complicate things, didn't AirTouch come out of Pacific
    > Telephone at some point? ;)


    Yes. I've been corrected several times in this thread, so I'll just point you
    to the corrections :)

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net
    PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
    Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.
     
  4. Mike <inundated9@yahoo.com> wrote:

    > And this is hard for me to remember, because GTE (at the time) was not
    > the dominant landline provider in NE Ohio. GTE, of course, got
    > swallowed into Verizon (landline), and even so, Verizon only serves
    > parts of this area as the ILEC...places like Medina County, etc.


    GTE will never be the dominant provider in Northeast Ohio. The former owner
    of Cleveland's first ISP is a telecomms consultant who lives in Medina, which
    of course is GTE/Verizon territory, and his impression was always that GTE
    North treated NE Ohio like a bastard child, and would have been happy to
    exit the market completely.

    > And to further complicate things, didn't AirTouch come out of Pacific
    > Telephone at some point? ;)


    Yes. I've been corrected several times in this thread, so I'll just point you
    to the corrections :)

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net
    PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
    Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.
     
  5. Mike <inundated9@yahoo.com> wrote:

    > And this is hard for me to remember, because GTE (at the time) was not
    > the dominant landline provider in NE Ohio. GTE, of course, got
    > swallowed into Verizon (landline), and even so, Verizon only serves
    > parts of this area as the ILEC...places like Medina County, etc.


    GTE will never be the dominant provider in Northeast Ohio. The former owner
    of Cleveland's first ISP is a telecomms consultant who lives in Medina, which
    of course is GTE/Verizon territory, and his impression was always that GTE
    North treated NE Ohio like a bastard child, and would have been happy to
    exit the market completely.

    > And to further complicate things, didn't AirTouch come out of Pacific
    > Telephone at some point? ;)


    Yes. I've been corrected several times in this thread, so I'll just point you
    to the corrections :)

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net
    PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
    Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.
     
  6. Mike <inundated9@yahoo.com> wrote:

    > And this is hard for me to remember, because GTE (at the time) was not
    > the dominant landline provider in NE Ohio. GTE, of course, got
    > swallowed into Verizon (landline), and even so, Verizon only serves
    > parts of this area as the ILEC...places like Medina County, etc.


    GTE will never be the dominant provider in Northeast Ohio. The former owner
    of Cleveland's first ISP is a telecomms consultant who lives in Medina, which
    of course is GTE/Verizon territory, and his impression was always that GTE
    North treated NE Ohio like a bastard child, and would have been happy to
    exit the market completely.

    > And to further complicate things, didn't AirTouch come out of Pacific
    > Telephone at some point? ;)


    Yes. I've been corrected several times in this thread, so I'll just point you
    to the corrections :)

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net
    PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
    Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.
     
  7. Mike <inundated9@yahoo.com> wrote:

    > And this is hard for me to remember, because GTE (at the time) was not
    > the dominant landline provider in NE Ohio. GTE, of course, got
    > swallowed into Verizon (landline), and even so, Verizon only serves
    > parts of this area as the ILEC...places like Medina County, etc.


    GTE will never be the dominant provider in Northeast Ohio. The former owner
    of Cleveland's first ISP is a telecomms consultant who lives in Medina, which
    of course is GTE/Verizon territory, and his impression was always that GTE
    North treated NE Ohio like a bastard child, and would have been happy to
    exit the market completely.

    > And to further complicate things, didn't AirTouch come out of Pacific
    > Telephone at some point? ;)


    Yes. I've been corrected several times in this thread, so I'll just point you
    to the corrections :)

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net
    PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
    Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.
     
  8. Mike <inundated9@yahoo.com> wrote:

    > And this is hard for me to remember, because GTE (at the time) was not
    > the dominant landline provider in NE Ohio. GTE, of course, got
    > swallowed into Verizon (landline), and even so, Verizon only serves
    > parts of this area as the ILEC...places like Medina County, etc.


    GTE will never be the dominant provider in Northeast Ohio. The former owner
    of Cleveland's first ISP is a telecomms consultant who lives in Medina, which
    of course is GTE/Verizon territory, and his impression was always that GTE
    North treated NE Ohio like a bastard child, and would have been happy to
    exit the market completely.

    > And to further complicate things, didn't AirTouch come out of Pacific
    > Telephone at some point? ;)


    Yes. I've been corrected several times in this thread, so I'll just point you
    to the corrections :)

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net
    PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
    Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.
     
  9. Mike <inundated9@yahoo.com> wrote:

    > And this is hard for me to remember, because GTE (at the time) was not
    > the dominant landline provider in NE Ohio. GTE, of course, got
    > swallowed into Verizon (landline), and even so, Verizon only serves
    > parts of this area as the ILEC...places like Medina County, etc.


    GTE will never be the dominant provider in Northeast Ohio. The former owner
    of Cleveland's first ISP is a telecomms consultant who lives in Medina, which
    of course is GTE/Verizon territory, and his impression was always that GTE
    North treated NE Ohio like a bastard child, and would have been happy to
    exit the market completely.

    > And to further complicate things, didn't AirTouch come out of Pacific
    > Telephone at some point? ;)


    Yes. I've been corrected several times in this thread, so I'll just point you
    to the corrections :)

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net
    PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
    Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.
     
  10. Mike <inundated9@yahoo.com> wrote:

    > And this is hard for me to remember, because GTE (at the time) was not
    > the dominant landline provider in NE Ohio. GTE, of course, got
    > swallowed into Verizon (landline), and even so, Verizon only serves
    > parts of this area as the ILEC...places like Medina County, etc.


    GTE will never be the dominant provider in Northeast Ohio. The former owner
    of Cleveland's first ISP is a telecomms consultant who lives in Medina, which
    of course is GTE/Verizon territory, and his impression was always that GTE
    North treated NE Ohio like a bastard child, and would have been happy to
    exit the market completely.

    > And to further complicate things, didn't AirTouch come out of Pacific
    > Telephone at some point? ;)


    Yes. I've been corrected several times in this thread, so I'll just point you
    to the corrections :)

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net
    PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
    Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.
     
  11. Mike <inundated9@yahoo.com> wrote:

    > And this is hard for me to remember, because GTE (at the time) was not
    > the dominant landline provider in NE Ohio. GTE, of course, got
    > swallowed into Verizon (landline), and even so, Verizon only serves
    > parts of this area as the ILEC...places like Medina County, etc.


    GTE will never be the dominant provider in Northeast Ohio. The former owner
    of Cleveland's first ISP is a telecomms consultant who lives in Medina, which
    of course is GTE/Verizon territory, and his impression was always that GTE
    North treated NE Ohio like a bastard child, and would have been happy to
    exit the market completely.

    > And to further complicate things, didn't AirTouch come out of Pacific
    > Telephone at some point? ;)


    Yes. I've been corrected several times in this thread, so I'll just point you
    to the corrections :)

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net
    PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
    Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.
     
  12. Mike <inundated9@yahoo.com> wrote:

    > And this is hard for me to remember, because GTE (at the time) was not
    > the dominant landline provider in NE Ohio. GTE, of course, got
    > swallowed into Verizon (landline), and even so, Verizon only serves
    > parts of this area as the ILEC...places like Medina County, etc.


    GTE will never be the dominant provider in Northeast Ohio. The former owner
    of Cleveland's first ISP is a telecomms consultant who lives in Medina, which
    of course is GTE/Verizon territory, and his impression was always that GTE
    North treated NE Ohio like a bastard child, and would have been happy to
    exit the market completely.

    > And to further complicate things, didn't AirTouch come out of Pacific
    > Telephone at some point? ;)


    Yes. I've been corrected several times in this thread, so I'll just point you
    to the corrections :)

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net
    PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
    Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.
     
  13. Mike <inundated9@yahoo.com> wrote:

    > And this is hard for me to remember, because GTE (at the time) was not
    > the dominant landline provider in NE Ohio. GTE, of course, got
    > swallowed into Verizon (landline), and even so, Verizon only serves
    > parts of this area as the ILEC...places like Medina County, etc.


    GTE will never be the dominant provider in Northeast Ohio. The former owner
    of Cleveland's first ISP is a telecomms consultant who lives in Medina, which
    of course is GTE/Verizon territory, and his impression was always that GTE
    North treated NE Ohio like a bastard child, and would have been happy to
    exit the market completely.

    > And to further complicate things, didn't AirTouch come out of Pacific
    > Telephone at some point? ;)


    Yes. I've been corrected several times in this thread, so I'll just point you
    to the corrections :)

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net
    PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
    Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.
     
  14. Mike <inundated9@yahoo.com> wrote:

    > And this is hard for me to remember, because GTE (at the time) was not
    > the dominant landline provider in NE Ohio. GTE, of course, got
    > swallowed into Verizon (landline), and even so, Verizon only serves
    > parts of this area as the ILEC...places like Medina County, etc.


    GTE will never be the dominant provider in Northeast Ohio. The former owner
    of Cleveland's first ISP is a telecomms consultant who lives in Medina, which
    of course is GTE/Verizon territory, and his impression was always that GTE
    North treated NE Ohio like a bastard child, and would have been happy to
    exit the market completely.

    > And to further complicate things, didn't AirTouch come out of Pacific
    > Telephone at some point? ;)


    Yes. I've been corrected several times in this thread, so I'll just point you
    to the corrections :)

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net
    PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
    Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.
     
  15. Mike <inundated9@yahoo.com> wrote:

    > And this is hard for me to remember, because GTE (at the time) was not
    > the dominant landline provider in NE Ohio. GTE, of course, got
    > swallowed into Verizon (landline), and even so, Verizon only serves
    > parts of this area as the ILEC...places like Medina County, etc.


    GTE will never be the dominant provider in Northeast Ohio. The former owner
    of Cleveland's first ISP is a telecomms consultant who lives in Medina, which
    of course is GTE/Verizon territory, and his impression was always that GTE
    North treated NE Ohio like a bastard child, and would have been happy to
    exit the market completely.

    > And to further complicate things, didn't AirTouch come out of Pacific
    > Telephone at some point? ;)


    Yes. I've been corrected several times in this thread, so I'll just point you
    to the corrections :)

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net
    PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
    Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.
     
  16. Mike <inundated9@yahoo.com> wrote:

    > And this is hard for me to remember, because GTE (at the time) was not
    > the dominant landline provider in NE Ohio. GTE, of course, got
    > swallowed into Verizon (landline), and even so, Verizon only serves
    > parts of this area as the ILEC...places like Medina County, etc.


    GTE will never be the dominant provider in Northeast Ohio. The former owner
    of Cleveland's first ISP is a telecomms consultant who lives in Medina, which
    of course is GTE/Verizon territory, and his impression was always that GTE
    North treated NE Ohio like a bastard child, and would have been happy to
    exit the market completely.

    > And to further complicate things, didn't AirTouch come out of Pacific
    > Telephone at some point? ;)


    Yes. I've been corrected several times in this thread, so I'll just point you
    to the corrections :)

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net
    PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
    Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.
     
  17. Mike <inundated9@yahoo.com> wrote:

    > And this is hard for me to remember, because GTE (at the time) was not
    > the dominant landline provider in NE Ohio. GTE, of course, got
    > swallowed into Verizon (landline), and even so, Verizon only serves
    > parts of this area as the ILEC...places like Medina County, etc.


    GTE will never be the dominant provider in Northeast Ohio. The former owner
    of Cleveland's first ISP is a telecomms consultant who lives in Medina, which
    of course is GTE/Verizon territory, and his impression was always that GTE
    North treated NE Ohio like a bastard child, and would have been happy to
    exit the market completely.

    > And to further complicate things, didn't AirTouch come out of Pacific
    > Telephone at some point? ;)


    Yes. I've been corrected several times in this thread, so I'll just point you
    to the corrections :)

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net
    PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
    Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.
     
  18. Mike <inundated9@yahoo.com> wrote:

    > And this is hard for me to remember, because GTE (at the time) was not
    > the dominant landline provider in NE Ohio. GTE, of course, got
    > swallowed into Verizon (landline), and even so, Verizon only serves
    > parts of this area as the ILEC...places like Medina County, etc.


    GTE will never be the dominant provider in Northeast Ohio. The former owner
    of Cleveland's first ISP is a telecomms consultant who lives in Medina, which
    of course is GTE/Verizon territory, and his impression was always that GTE
    North treated NE Ohio like a bastard child, and would have been happy to
    exit the market completely.

    > And to further complicate things, didn't AirTouch come out of Pacific
    > Telephone at some point? ;)


    Yes. I've been corrected several times in this thread, so I'll just point you
    to the corrections :)

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net
    PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
    Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.
     
  19. Mike <inundated9@yahoo.com> wrote:

    > And this is hard for me to remember, because GTE (at the time) was not
    > the dominant landline provider in NE Ohio. GTE, of course, got
    > swallowed into Verizon (landline), and even so, Verizon only serves
    > parts of this area as the ILEC...places like Medina County, etc.


    GTE will never be the dominant provider in Northeast Ohio. The former owner
    of Cleveland's first ISP is a telecomms consultant who lives in Medina, which
    of course is GTE/Verizon territory, and his impression was always that GTE
    North treated NE Ohio like a bastard child, and would have been happy to
    exit the market completely.

    > And to further complicate things, didn't AirTouch come out of Pacific
    > Telephone at some point? ;)


    Yes. I've been corrected several times in this thread, so I'll just point you
    to the corrections :)

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net
    PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
    Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.
     
  20. Mike <inundated9@yahoo.com> wrote:

    > And this is hard for me to remember, because GTE (at the time) was not
    > the dominant landline provider in NE Ohio. GTE, of course, got
    > swallowed into Verizon (landline), and even so, Verizon only serves
    > parts of this area as the ILEC...places like Medina County, etc.


    GTE will never be the dominant provider in Northeast Ohio. The former owner
    of Cleveland's first ISP is a telecomms consultant who lives in Medina, which
    of course is GTE/Verizon territory, and his impression was always that GTE
    North treated NE Ohio like a bastard child, and would have been happy to
    exit the market completely.

    > And to further complicate things, didn't AirTouch come out of Pacific
    > Telephone at some point? ;)


    Yes. I've been corrected several times in this thread, so I'll just point you
    to the corrections :)

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net
    PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
    Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.
     

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