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"A or B" side?

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Bob, Jul 4, 2004.

  1. Verizon did not buy primeco. Primeco was one of the companies
    that merged to form verizon.


    HotRod wrote:
    > That is the result of Verizon buying PrimeCo here, which is a 1900 MHZ
    > system.
    >
     



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  2. Verizon did not buy primeco. Primeco was one of the companies
    that merged to form verizon.


    HotRod wrote:
    > That is the result of Verizon buying PrimeCo here, which is a 1900 MHZ
    > system.
    >
     
  3. Verizon did not buy primeco. Primeco was one of the companies
    that merged to form verizon.


    HotRod wrote:
    > That is the result of Verizon buying PrimeCo here, which is a 1900 MHZ
    > system.
    >
     
  4. Verizon did not buy primeco. Primeco was one of the companies
    that merged to form verizon.


    HotRod wrote:
    > That is the result of Verizon buying PrimeCo here, which is a 1900 MHZ
    > system.
    >
     
  5. Verizon did not buy primeco. Primeco was one of the companies
    that merged to form verizon.


    HotRod wrote:
    > That is the result of Verizon buying PrimeCo here, which is a 1900 MHZ
    > system.
    >
     
  6. Verizon did not buy primeco. Primeco was one of the companies
    that merged to form verizon.


    HotRod wrote:
    > That is the result of Verizon buying PrimeCo here, which is a 1900 MHZ
    > system.
    >
     
  7. Verizon did not buy primeco. Primeco was one of the companies
    that merged to form verizon.


    HotRod wrote:
    > That is the result of Verizon buying PrimeCo here, which is a 1900 MHZ
    > system.
    >
     
  8. Verizon did not buy primeco. Primeco was one of the companies
    that merged to form verizon.


    HotRod wrote:
    > That is the result of Verizon buying PrimeCo here, which is a 1900 MHZ
    > system.
    >
     
  9. Verizon did not buy primeco. Primeco was one of the companies
    that merged to form verizon.


    HotRod wrote:
    > That is the result of Verizon buying PrimeCo here, which is a 1900 MHZ
    > system.
    >
     
  10. Verizon did not buy primeco. Primeco was one of the companies
    that merged to form verizon.


    HotRod wrote:
    > That is the result of Verizon buying PrimeCo here, which is a 1900 MHZ
    > system.
    >
     
  11. Verizon did not buy primeco. Primeco was one of the companies
    that merged to form verizon.


    HotRod wrote:
    > That is the result of Verizon buying PrimeCo here, which is a 1900 MHZ
    > system.
    >
     
  12. Verizon did not buy primeco. Primeco was one of the companies
    that merged to form verizon.


    HotRod wrote:
    > That is the result of Verizon buying PrimeCo here, which is a 1900 MHZ
    > system.
    >
     
  13. Verizon did not buy primeco. Primeco was one of the companies
    that merged to form verizon.


    HotRod wrote:
    > That is the result of Verizon buying PrimeCo here, which is a 1900 MHZ
    > system.
    >
     
  14. David S

    David S Guest

    On Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:25:25 -0400, "Jeff P." <jeff_phil-NO@SPAM-yahoo.com>
    chose to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and
    everything:

    >"Evan Platt" <evan@TheObvious.espphotography.com> wrote in message
    >news:gq9ge0db9i84f9sh6vu6o4aqqslmbbu1n4@4ax.com...
    >> On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 14:30:59 GMT, Dave <davids1955@earthlink.net>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >> >I believe A/B side was originally when analog only cellular came out.
    >> >The B side was usually the "wireline" phone company and A side was the
    >> >other. With mergers and acquisitions this may not always be the case now
    >> >though.

    >>
    >> B was in fact used for Analog, however your statement about wireline
    >> isn't correct. B was GTE / now Verizon, A was cellular one, now AT&T.

    >
    >What the heck are you talking about?! A/B side refers to the radio band. It
    >
    >In any given market area (one or more counties usually), the FCC gave 800
    >MHz cellular licenses to two companies. The B-side of the band was primarely
    >given to the baby "Bell" operating companies, or whatever the traditional
    >land-line phone company was in the area. The A-side of the band was given to
    >an Alternate company, one that didn't operate a local land-line phone
    >company.
    >
    >Eventually as you mentioned, companies merged with each other and we ended
    >up with some companies owning the A-band license in certain areas and the
    >B-side license in others. In yet other areas, some companies now own PCS
    >licenses (1900 Mhz instead of 800 MHz)
    >
    >Also, you make no sense to mention GTE/Verizon or Cellular One / AT&T
    >without referencing WHERE you are talking about. Cellular One is still in
    >business. They still operate the A band where I live. But, many of Cellular
    >One's systems were sold off to various companies. Some Cellular One systems
    >even went to Verizon. They didn't ALL go to AT&T like you mentioned. Also in
    >this area Verizon took over Airtouch, not GTE.


    Case in point of how things got screwed up: in the five states where
    Ameritech was the dominant (GTE had a few local franchises; I don't know if
    Verizon still has them) landline carrier, Ameritech Cellular was the B.
    However, in Hawaii, they were A. Also, in the St. Louis market, they were
    A, *including* portions of Illinois considered to be part of that market.
    Then SBC came along and bought Ameritech. Most of Ameritech Cellular was
    folded into the new Cingular. However, in the Chicago market, SBC already
    owned the Cellular One franchise and made *it* Cingular. They sold off the
    Ameritech Cellular system to GTE, which just a few months later became
    Verizon. So now VZW is the B and Cingular is the A in a market where
    Cingular's parent is the landline carrier.

    As to someone's mention that VZW includes Primeco, it doesn't include *all*
    of Primeco. Primeco's Chicago properties (maybe all of Illinois, I don't
    know) became US Cellular.

    Maybe someone can tell me whether VZW in Hawaii is the old Ameritech or
    something else...?

    --
    David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    "If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure." - Dan Quayle
     
  15. David S

    David S Guest

    On Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:25:25 -0400, "Jeff P." <jeff_phil-NO@SPAM-yahoo.com>
    chose to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and
    everything:

    >"Evan Platt" <evan@TheObvious.espphotography.com> wrote in message
    >news:gq9ge0db9i84f9sh6vu6o4aqqslmbbu1n4@4ax.com...
    >> On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 14:30:59 GMT, Dave <davids1955@earthlink.net>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >> >I believe A/B side was originally when analog only cellular came out.
    >> >The B side was usually the "wireline" phone company and A side was the
    >> >other. With mergers and acquisitions this may not always be the case now
    >> >though.

    >>
    >> B was in fact used for Analog, however your statement about wireline
    >> isn't correct. B was GTE / now Verizon, A was cellular one, now AT&T.

    >
    >What the heck are you talking about?! A/B side refers to the radio band. It
    >
    >In any given market area (one or more counties usually), the FCC gave 800
    >MHz cellular licenses to two companies. The B-side of the band was primarely
    >given to the baby "Bell" operating companies, or whatever the traditional
    >land-line phone company was in the area. The A-side of the band was given to
    >an Alternate company, one that didn't operate a local land-line phone
    >company.
    >
    >Eventually as you mentioned, companies merged with each other and we ended
    >up with some companies owning the A-band license in certain areas and the
    >B-side license in others. In yet other areas, some companies now own PCS
    >licenses (1900 Mhz instead of 800 MHz)
    >
    >Also, you make no sense to mention GTE/Verizon or Cellular One / AT&T
    >without referencing WHERE you are talking about. Cellular One is still in
    >business. They still operate the A band where I live. But, many of Cellular
    >One's systems were sold off to various companies. Some Cellular One systems
    >even went to Verizon. They didn't ALL go to AT&T like you mentioned. Also in
    >this area Verizon took over Airtouch, not GTE.


    Case in point of how things got screwed up: in the five states where
    Ameritech was the dominant (GTE had a few local franchises; I don't know if
    Verizon still has them) landline carrier, Ameritech Cellular was the B.
    However, in Hawaii, they were A. Also, in the St. Louis market, they were
    A, *including* portions of Illinois considered to be part of that market.
    Then SBC came along and bought Ameritech. Most of Ameritech Cellular was
    folded into the new Cingular. However, in the Chicago market, SBC already
    owned the Cellular One franchise and made *it* Cingular. They sold off the
    Ameritech Cellular system to GTE, which just a few months later became
    Verizon. So now VZW is the B and Cingular is the A in a market where
    Cingular's parent is the landline carrier.

    As to someone's mention that VZW includes Primeco, it doesn't include *all*
    of Primeco. Primeco's Chicago properties (maybe all of Illinois, I don't
    know) became US Cellular.

    Maybe someone can tell me whether VZW in Hawaii is the old Ameritech or
    something else...?

    --
    David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    "If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure." - Dan Quayle
     
  16. David S

    David S Guest

    On Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:25:25 -0400, "Jeff P." <jeff_phil-NO@SPAM-yahoo.com>
    chose to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and
    everything:

    >"Evan Platt" <evan@TheObvious.espphotography.com> wrote in message
    >news:gq9ge0db9i84f9sh6vu6o4aqqslmbbu1n4@4ax.com...
    >> On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 14:30:59 GMT, Dave <davids1955@earthlink.net>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >> >I believe A/B side was originally when analog only cellular came out.
    >> >The B side was usually the "wireline" phone company and A side was the
    >> >other. With mergers and acquisitions this may not always be the case now
    >> >though.

    >>
    >> B was in fact used for Analog, however your statement about wireline
    >> isn't correct. B was GTE / now Verizon, A was cellular one, now AT&T.

    >
    >What the heck are you talking about?! A/B side refers to the radio band. It
    >
    >In any given market area (one or more counties usually), the FCC gave 800
    >MHz cellular licenses to two companies. The B-side of the band was primarely
    >given to the baby "Bell" operating companies, or whatever the traditional
    >land-line phone company was in the area. The A-side of the band was given to
    >an Alternate company, one that didn't operate a local land-line phone
    >company.
    >
    >Eventually as you mentioned, companies merged with each other and we ended
    >up with some companies owning the A-band license in certain areas and the
    >B-side license in others. In yet other areas, some companies now own PCS
    >licenses (1900 Mhz instead of 800 MHz)
    >
    >Also, you make no sense to mention GTE/Verizon or Cellular One / AT&T
    >without referencing WHERE you are talking about. Cellular One is still in
    >business. They still operate the A band where I live. But, many of Cellular
    >One's systems were sold off to various companies. Some Cellular One systems
    >even went to Verizon. They didn't ALL go to AT&T like you mentioned. Also in
    >this area Verizon took over Airtouch, not GTE.


    Case in point of how things got screwed up: in the five states where
    Ameritech was the dominant (GTE had a few local franchises; I don't know if
    Verizon still has them) landline carrier, Ameritech Cellular was the B.
    However, in Hawaii, they were A. Also, in the St. Louis market, they were
    A, *including* portions of Illinois considered to be part of that market.
    Then SBC came along and bought Ameritech. Most of Ameritech Cellular was
    folded into the new Cingular. However, in the Chicago market, SBC already
    owned the Cellular One franchise and made *it* Cingular. They sold off the
    Ameritech Cellular system to GTE, which just a few months later became
    Verizon. So now VZW is the B and Cingular is the A in a market where
    Cingular's parent is the landline carrier.

    As to someone's mention that VZW includes Primeco, it doesn't include *all*
    of Primeco. Primeco's Chicago properties (maybe all of Illinois, I don't
    know) became US Cellular.

    Maybe someone can tell me whether VZW in Hawaii is the old Ameritech or
    something else...?

    --
    David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    "If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure." - Dan Quayle
     
  17. David S

    David S Guest

    On Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:25:25 -0400, "Jeff P." <jeff_phil-NO@SPAM-yahoo.com>
    chose to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and
    everything:

    >"Evan Platt" <evan@TheObvious.espphotography.com> wrote in message
    >news:gq9ge0db9i84f9sh6vu6o4aqqslmbbu1n4@4ax.com...
    >> On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 14:30:59 GMT, Dave <davids1955@earthlink.net>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >> >I believe A/B side was originally when analog only cellular came out.
    >> >The B side was usually the "wireline" phone company and A side was the
    >> >other. With mergers and acquisitions this may not always be the case now
    >> >though.

    >>
    >> B was in fact used for Analog, however your statement about wireline
    >> isn't correct. B was GTE / now Verizon, A was cellular one, now AT&T.

    >
    >What the heck are you talking about?! A/B side refers to the radio band. It
    >
    >In any given market area (one or more counties usually), the FCC gave 800
    >MHz cellular licenses to two companies. The B-side of the band was primarely
    >given to the baby "Bell" operating companies, or whatever the traditional
    >land-line phone company was in the area. The A-side of the band was given to
    >an Alternate company, one that didn't operate a local land-line phone
    >company.
    >
    >Eventually as you mentioned, companies merged with each other and we ended
    >up with some companies owning the A-band license in certain areas and the
    >B-side license in others. In yet other areas, some companies now own PCS
    >licenses (1900 Mhz instead of 800 MHz)
    >
    >Also, you make no sense to mention GTE/Verizon or Cellular One / AT&T
    >without referencing WHERE you are talking about. Cellular One is still in
    >business. They still operate the A band where I live. But, many of Cellular
    >One's systems were sold off to various companies. Some Cellular One systems
    >even went to Verizon. They didn't ALL go to AT&T like you mentioned. Also in
    >this area Verizon took over Airtouch, not GTE.


    Case in point of how things got screwed up: in the five states where
    Ameritech was the dominant (GTE had a few local franchises; I don't know if
    Verizon still has them) landline carrier, Ameritech Cellular was the B.
    However, in Hawaii, they were A. Also, in the St. Louis market, they were
    A, *including* portions of Illinois considered to be part of that market.
    Then SBC came along and bought Ameritech. Most of Ameritech Cellular was
    folded into the new Cingular. However, in the Chicago market, SBC already
    owned the Cellular One franchise and made *it* Cingular. They sold off the
    Ameritech Cellular system to GTE, which just a few months later became
    Verizon. So now VZW is the B and Cingular is the A in a market where
    Cingular's parent is the landline carrier.

    As to someone's mention that VZW includes Primeco, it doesn't include *all*
    of Primeco. Primeco's Chicago properties (maybe all of Illinois, I don't
    know) became US Cellular.

    Maybe someone can tell me whether VZW in Hawaii is the old Ameritech or
    something else...?

    --
    David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    "If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure." - Dan Quayle
     
  18. David S

    David S Guest

    On Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:25:25 -0400, "Jeff P." <jeff_phil-NO@SPAM-yahoo.com>
    chose to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and
    everything:

    >"Evan Platt" <evan@TheObvious.espphotography.com> wrote in message
    >news:gq9ge0db9i84f9sh6vu6o4aqqslmbbu1n4@4ax.com...
    >> On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 14:30:59 GMT, Dave <davids1955@earthlink.net>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >> >I believe A/B side was originally when analog only cellular came out.
    >> >The B side was usually the "wireline" phone company and A side was the
    >> >other. With mergers and acquisitions this may not always be the case now
    >> >though.

    >>
    >> B was in fact used for Analog, however your statement about wireline
    >> isn't correct. B was GTE / now Verizon, A was cellular one, now AT&T.

    >
    >What the heck are you talking about?! A/B side refers to the radio band. It
    >
    >In any given market area (one or more counties usually), the FCC gave 800
    >MHz cellular licenses to two companies. The B-side of the band was primarely
    >given to the baby "Bell" operating companies, or whatever the traditional
    >land-line phone company was in the area. The A-side of the band was given to
    >an Alternate company, one that didn't operate a local land-line phone
    >company.
    >
    >Eventually as you mentioned, companies merged with each other and we ended
    >up with some companies owning the A-band license in certain areas and the
    >B-side license in others. In yet other areas, some companies now own PCS
    >licenses (1900 Mhz instead of 800 MHz)
    >
    >Also, you make no sense to mention GTE/Verizon or Cellular One / AT&T
    >without referencing WHERE you are talking about. Cellular One is still in
    >business. They still operate the A band where I live. But, many of Cellular
    >One's systems were sold off to various companies. Some Cellular One systems
    >even went to Verizon. They didn't ALL go to AT&T like you mentioned. Also in
    >this area Verizon took over Airtouch, not GTE.


    Case in point of how things got screwed up: in the five states where
    Ameritech was the dominant (GTE had a few local franchises; I don't know if
    Verizon still has them) landline carrier, Ameritech Cellular was the B.
    However, in Hawaii, they were A. Also, in the St. Louis market, they were
    A, *including* portions of Illinois considered to be part of that market.
    Then SBC came along and bought Ameritech. Most of Ameritech Cellular was
    folded into the new Cingular. However, in the Chicago market, SBC already
    owned the Cellular One franchise and made *it* Cingular. They sold off the
    Ameritech Cellular system to GTE, which just a few months later became
    Verizon. So now VZW is the B and Cingular is the A in a market where
    Cingular's parent is the landline carrier.

    As to someone's mention that VZW includes Primeco, it doesn't include *all*
    of Primeco. Primeco's Chicago properties (maybe all of Illinois, I don't
    know) became US Cellular.

    Maybe someone can tell me whether VZW in Hawaii is the old Ameritech or
    something else...?

    --
    David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    "If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure." - Dan Quayle
     
  19. David S

    David S Guest

    On Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:25:25 -0400, "Jeff P." <jeff_phil-NO@SPAM-yahoo.com>
    chose to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and
    everything:

    >"Evan Platt" <evan@TheObvious.espphotography.com> wrote in message
    >news:gq9ge0db9i84f9sh6vu6o4aqqslmbbu1n4@4ax.com...
    >> On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 14:30:59 GMT, Dave <davids1955@earthlink.net>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >> >I believe A/B side was originally when analog only cellular came out.
    >> >The B side was usually the "wireline" phone company and A side was the
    >> >other. With mergers and acquisitions this may not always be the case now
    >> >though.

    >>
    >> B was in fact used for Analog, however your statement about wireline
    >> isn't correct. B was GTE / now Verizon, A was cellular one, now AT&T.

    >
    >What the heck are you talking about?! A/B side refers to the radio band. It
    >
    >In any given market area (one or more counties usually), the FCC gave 800
    >MHz cellular licenses to two companies. The B-side of the band was primarely
    >given to the baby "Bell" operating companies, or whatever the traditional
    >land-line phone company was in the area. The A-side of the band was given to
    >an Alternate company, one that didn't operate a local land-line phone
    >company.
    >
    >Eventually as you mentioned, companies merged with each other and we ended
    >up with some companies owning the A-band license in certain areas and the
    >B-side license in others. In yet other areas, some companies now own PCS
    >licenses (1900 Mhz instead of 800 MHz)
    >
    >Also, you make no sense to mention GTE/Verizon or Cellular One / AT&T
    >without referencing WHERE you are talking about. Cellular One is still in
    >business. They still operate the A band where I live. But, many of Cellular
    >One's systems were sold off to various companies. Some Cellular One systems
    >even went to Verizon. They didn't ALL go to AT&T like you mentioned. Also in
    >this area Verizon took over Airtouch, not GTE.


    Case in point of how things got screwed up: in the five states where
    Ameritech was the dominant (GTE had a few local franchises; I don't know if
    Verizon still has them) landline carrier, Ameritech Cellular was the B.
    However, in Hawaii, they were A. Also, in the St. Louis market, they were
    A, *including* portions of Illinois considered to be part of that market.
    Then SBC came along and bought Ameritech. Most of Ameritech Cellular was
    folded into the new Cingular. However, in the Chicago market, SBC already
    owned the Cellular One franchise and made *it* Cingular. They sold off the
    Ameritech Cellular system to GTE, which just a few months later became
    Verizon. So now VZW is the B and Cingular is the A in a market where
    Cingular's parent is the landline carrier.

    As to someone's mention that VZW includes Primeco, it doesn't include *all*
    of Primeco. Primeco's Chicago properties (maybe all of Illinois, I don't
    know) became US Cellular.

    Maybe someone can tell me whether VZW in Hawaii is the old Ameritech or
    something else...?

    --
    David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    "If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure." - Dan Quayle
     
  20. David S

    David S Guest

    On Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:25:25 -0400, "Jeff P." <jeff_phil-NO@SPAM-yahoo.com>
    chose to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and
    everything:

    >"Evan Platt" <evan@TheObvious.espphotography.com> wrote in message
    >news:gq9ge0db9i84f9sh6vu6o4aqqslmbbu1n4@4ax.com...
    >> On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 14:30:59 GMT, Dave <davids1955@earthlink.net>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >> >I believe A/B side was originally when analog only cellular came out.
    >> >The B side was usually the "wireline" phone company and A side was the
    >> >other. With mergers and acquisitions this may not always be the case now
    >> >though.

    >>
    >> B was in fact used for Analog, however your statement about wireline
    >> isn't correct. B was GTE / now Verizon, A was cellular one, now AT&T.

    >
    >What the heck are you talking about?! A/B side refers to the radio band. It
    >
    >In any given market area (one or more counties usually), the FCC gave 800
    >MHz cellular licenses to two companies. The B-side of the band was primarely
    >given to the baby "Bell" operating companies, or whatever the traditional
    >land-line phone company was in the area. The A-side of the band was given to
    >an Alternate company, one that didn't operate a local land-line phone
    >company.
    >
    >Eventually as you mentioned, companies merged with each other and we ended
    >up with some companies owning the A-band license in certain areas and the
    >B-side license in others. In yet other areas, some companies now own PCS
    >licenses (1900 Mhz instead of 800 MHz)
    >
    >Also, you make no sense to mention GTE/Verizon or Cellular One / AT&T
    >without referencing WHERE you are talking about. Cellular One is still in
    >business. They still operate the A band where I live. But, many of Cellular
    >One's systems were sold off to various companies. Some Cellular One systems
    >even went to Verizon. They didn't ALL go to AT&T like you mentioned. Also in
    >this area Verizon took over Airtouch, not GTE.


    Case in point of how things got screwed up: in the five states where
    Ameritech was the dominant (GTE had a few local franchises; I don't know if
    Verizon still has them) landline carrier, Ameritech Cellular was the B.
    However, in Hawaii, they were A. Also, in the St. Louis market, they were
    A, *including* portions of Illinois considered to be part of that market.
    Then SBC came along and bought Ameritech. Most of Ameritech Cellular was
    folded into the new Cingular. However, in the Chicago market, SBC already
    owned the Cellular One franchise and made *it* Cingular. They sold off the
    Ameritech Cellular system to GTE, which just a few months later became
    Verizon. So now VZW is the B and Cingular is the A in a market where
    Cingular's parent is the landline carrier.

    As to someone's mention that VZW includes Primeco, it doesn't include *all*
    of Primeco. Primeco's Chicago properties (maybe all of Illinois, I don't
    know) became US Cellular.

    Maybe someone can tell me whether VZW in Hawaii is the old Ameritech or
    something else...?

    --
    David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
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