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"A or B" side?

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Bob, Jul 4, 2004.

  1. On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:26:32 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >Maybe someone can tell me whether VZW in Hawaii is the old Ameritech or
    >something else...?


    Former GTE -- GTE bought Hawaiian Telephone way back when so GTE (by
    default, since they've always been the only ILEC in Hawaii) got the
    B-side license...and GTE became part of Verizon Communications so GTE
    Mobilnet/GTE Wireless in Hawaii became VZW.

    (Verizon Communications is selling the Hawaii *landline* business off
    to an investor group, but *VZW* is *not* leaving Hawaii.)

    The A-side licenses for the different islands went to various
    companies -- McCaw/AT&T, BellSouth/Cingular, TDS/US Cellular -- but I
    believe that now, after various license swaps, AT&T now has all the
    A-side licenses in Hawaii.

    As for PrimeCo...which was a partnership of BAM and AirTouch:

    - PrimeCo Hawaii was sold to SPCS relatively early on
    - PrimeCo Virginia (Richmond etc.) was sold to CFW/Intelos/nTelos
    - PrimeCo Chicago was not folded into VZW (because GTE dba Ameritech
    Cellular was already there) and was spun off into an independent
    company, which USCC bought...hence how USCC got into Chicago
    - all other PrimeCo markets (FL, WI, TX, Mobile AL, MS Gulf Coast)
    were folded into VZW -- however, VZW sold most of the ex-PrimeCo
    spectrum in Houston to AT&T, and retained some for future use. (VZW
    may have sold off ex-PrimeCo spectrum in other areas, but I'm not
    aware of them having done so.)

    In Panama City (Bay County) FL, VZW has both an ex-PrimeCo license at
    1900 and an ex-Price license at 850; currently, from what I've heard,
    VZW is running CDMA only at 1900 there, to match the rest of FL. (The
    oddball 850 license could very well get sold to AT&T/Cingular, as AT&T
    has no license at all for Bay County -- the only county in FL where
    AT&T has no license -- and Cingular doesn't have much spectrum there.)

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     



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  2. On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:26:32 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >Maybe someone can tell me whether VZW in Hawaii is the old Ameritech or
    >something else...?


    Former GTE -- GTE bought Hawaiian Telephone way back when so GTE (by
    default, since they've always been the only ILEC in Hawaii) got the
    B-side license...and GTE became part of Verizon Communications so GTE
    Mobilnet/GTE Wireless in Hawaii became VZW.

    (Verizon Communications is selling the Hawaii *landline* business off
    to an investor group, but *VZW* is *not* leaving Hawaii.)

    The A-side licenses for the different islands went to various
    companies -- McCaw/AT&T, BellSouth/Cingular, TDS/US Cellular -- but I
    believe that now, after various license swaps, AT&T now has all the
    A-side licenses in Hawaii.

    As for PrimeCo...which was a partnership of BAM and AirTouch:

    - PrimeCo Hawaii was sold to SPCS relatively early on
    - PrimeCo Virginia (Richmond etc.) was sold to CFW/Intelos/nTelos
    - PrimeCo Chicago was not folded into VZW (because GTE dba Ameritech
    Cellular was already there) and was spun off into an independent
    company, which USCC bought...hence how USCC got into Chicago
    - all other PrimeCo markets (FL, WI, TX, Mobile AL, MS Gulf Coast)
    were folded into VZW -- however, VZW sold most of the ex-PrimeCo
    spectrum in Houston to AT&T, and retained some for future use. (VZW
    may have sold off ex-PrimeCo spectrum in other areas, but I'm not
    aware of them having done so.)

    In Panama City (Bay County) FL, VZW has both an ex-PrimeCo license at
    1900 and an ex-Price license at 850; currently, from what I've heard,
    VZW is running CDMA only at 1900 there, to match the rest of FL. (The
    oddball 850 license could very well get sold to AT&T/Cingular, as AT&T
    has no license at all for Bay County -- the only county in FL where
    AT&T has no license -- and Cingular doesn't have much spectrum there.)

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  3. On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:26:32 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >Maybe someone can tell me whether VZW in Hawaii is the old Ameritech or
    >something else...?


    Former GTE -- GTE bought Hawaiian Telephone way back when so GTE (by
    default, since they've always been the only ILEC in Hawaii) got the
    B-side license...and GTE became part of Verizon Communications so GTE
    Mobilnet/GTE Wireless in Hawaii became VZW.

    (Verizon Communications is selling the Hawaii *landline* business off
    to an investor group, but *VZW* is *not* leaving Hawaii.)

    The A-side licenses for the different islands went to various
    companies -- McCaw/AT&T, BellSouth/Cingular, TDS/US Cellular -- but I
    believe that now, after various license swaps, AT&T now has all the
    A-side licenses in Hawaii.

    As for PrimeCo...which was a partnership of BAM and AirTouch:

    - PrimeCo Hawaii was sold to SPCS relatively early on
    - PrimeCo Virginia (Richmond etc.) was sold to CFW/Intelos/nTelos
    - PrimeCo Chicago was not folded into VZW (because GTE dba Ameritech
    Cellular was already there) and was spun off into an independent
    company, which USCC bought...hence how USCC got into Chicago
    - all other PrimeCo markets (FL, WI, TX, Mobile AL, MS Gulf Coast)
    were folded into VZW -- however, VZW sold most of the ex-PrimeCo
    spectrum in Houston to AT&T, and retained some for future use. (VZW
    may have sold off ex-PrimeCo spectrum in other areas, but I'm not
    aware of them having done so.)

    In Panama City (Bay County) FL, VZW has both an ex-PrimeCo license at
    1900 and an ex-Price license at 850; currently, from what I've heard,
    VZW is running CDMA only at 1900 there, to match the rest of FL. (The
    oddball 850 license could very well get sold to AT&T/Cingular, as AT&T
    has no license at all for Bay County -- the only county in FL where
    AT&T has no license -- and Cingular doesn't have much spectrum there.)

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  4. On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:26:32 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >Maybe someone can tell me whether VZW in Hawaii is the old Ameritech or
    >something else...?


    Former GTE -- GTE bought Hawaiian Telephone way back when so GTE (by
    default, since they've always been the only ILEC in Hawaii) got the
    B-side license...and GTE became part of Verizon Communications so GTE
    Mobilnet/GTE Wireless in Hawaii became VZW.

    (Verizon Communications is selling the Hawaii *landline* business off
    to an investor group, but *VZW* is *not* leaving Hawaii.)

    The A-side licenses for the different islands went to various
    companies -- McCaw/AT&T, BellSouth/Cingular, TDS/US Cellular -- but I
    believe that now, after various license swaps, AT&T now has all the
    A-side licenses in Hawaii.

    As for PrimeCo...which was a partnership of BAM and AirTouch:

    - PrimeCo Hawaii was sold to SPCS relatively early on
    - PrimeCo Virginia (Richmond etc.) was sold to CFW/Intelos/nTelos
    - PrimeCo Chicago was not folded into VZW (because GTE dba Ameritech
    Cellular was already there) and was spun off into an independent
    company, which USCC bought...hence how USCC got into Chicago
    - all other PrimeCo markets (FL, WI, TX, Mobile AL, MS Gulf Coast)
    were folded into VZW -- however, VZW sold most of the ex-PrimeCo
    spectrum in Houston to AT&T, and retained some for future use. (VZW
    may have sold off ex-PrimeCo spectrum in other areas, but I'm not
    aware of them having done so.)

    In Panama City (Bay County) FL, VZW has both an ex-PrimeCo license at
    1900 and an ex-Price license at 850; currently, from what I've heard,
    VZW is running CDMA only at 1900 there, to match the rest of FL. (The
    oddball 850 license could very well get sold to AT&T/Cingular, as AT&T
    has no license at all for Bay County -- the only county in FL where
    AT&T has no license -- and Cingular doesn't have much spectrum there.)

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  5. On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:26:32 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >Maybe someone can tell me whether VZW in Hawaii is the old Ameritech or
    >something else...?


    Former GTE -- GTE bought Hawaiian Telephone way back when so GTE (by
    default, since they've always been the only ILEC in Hawaii) got the
    B-side license...and GTE became part of Verizon Communications so GTE
    Mobilnet/GTE Wireless in Hawaii became VZW.

    (Verizon Communications is selling the Hawaii *landline* business off
    to an investor group, but *VZW* is *not* leaving Hawaii.)

    The A-side licenses for the different islands went to various
    companies -- McCaw/AT&T, BellSouth/Cingular, TDS/US Cellular -- but I
    believe that now, after various license swaps, AT&T now has all the
    A-side licenses in Hawaii.

    As for PrimeCo...which was a partnership of BAM and AirTouch:

    - PrimeCo Hawaii was sold to SPCS relatively early on
    - PrimeCo Virginia (Richmond etc.) was sold to CFW/Intelos/nTelos
    - PrimeCo Chicago was not folded into VZW (because GTE dba Ameritech
    Cellular was already there) and was spun off into an independent
    company, which USCC bought...hence how USCC got into Chicago
    - all other PrimeCo markets (FL, WI, TX, Mobile AL, MS Gulf Coast)
    were folded into VZW -- however, VZW sold most of the ex-PrimeCo
    spectrum in Houston to AT&T, and retained some for future use. (VZW
    may have sold off ex-PrimeCo spectrum in other areas, but I'm not
    aware of them having done so.)

    In Panama City (Bay County) FL, VZW has both an ex-PrimeCo license at
    1900 and an ex-Price license at 850; currently, from what I've heard,
    VZW is running CDMA only at 1900 there, to match the rest of FL. (The
    oddball 850 license could very well get sold to AT&T/Cingular, as AT&T
    has no license at all for Bay County -- the only county in FL where
    AT&T has no license -- and Cingular doesn't have much spectrum there.)

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  6. On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:26:32 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >Maybe someone can tell me whether VZW in Hawaii is the old Ameritech or
    >something else...?


    Former GTE -- GTE bought Hawaiian Telephone way back when so GTE (by
    default, since they've always been the only ILEC in Hawaii) got the
    B-side license...and GTE became part of Verizon Communications so GTE
    Mobilnet/GTE Wireless in Hawaii became VZW.

    (Verizon Communications is selling the Hawaii *landline* business off
    to an investor group, but *VZW* is *not* leaving Hawaii.)

    The A-side licenses for the different islands went to various
    companies -- McCaw/AT&T, BellSouth/Cingular, TDS/US Cellular -- but I
    believe that now, after various license swaps, AT&T now has all the
    A-side licenses in Hawaii.

    As for PrimeCo...which was a partnership of BAM and AirTouch:

    - PrimeCo Hawaii was sold to SPCS relatively early on
    - PrimeCo Virginia (Richmond etc.) was sold to CFW/Intelos/nTelos
    - PrimeCo Chicago was not folded into VZW (because GTE dba Ameritech
    Cellular was already there) and was spun off into an independent
    company, which USCC bought...hence how USCC got into Chicago
    - all other PrimeCo markets (FL, WI, TX, Mobile AL, MS Gulf Coast)
    were folded into VZW -- however, VZW sold most of the ex-PrimeCo
    spectrum in Houston to AT&T, and retained some for future use. (VZW
    may have sold off ex-PrimeCo spectrum in other areas, but I'm not
    aware of them having done so.)

    In Panama City (Bay County) FL, VZW has both an ex-PrimeCo license at
    1900 and an ex-Price license at 850; currently, from what I've heard,
    VZW is running CDMA only at 1900 there, to match the rest of FL. (The
    oddball 850 license could very well get sold to AT&T/Cingular, as AT&T
    has no license at all for Bay County -- the only county in FL where
    AT&T has no license -- and Cingular doesn't have much spectrum there.)

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  7. On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:26:32 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >Maybe someone can tell me whether VZW in Hawaii is the old Ameritech or
    >something else...?


    Former GTE -- GTE bought Hawaiian Telephone way back when so GTE (by
    default, since they've always been the only ILEC in Hawaii) got the
    B-side license...and GTE became part of Verizon Communications so GTE
    Mobilnet/GTE Wireless in Hawaii became VZW.

    (Verizon Communications is selling the Hawaii *landline* business off
    to an investor group, but *VZW* is *not* leaving Hawaii.)

    The A-side licenses for the different islands went to various
    companies -- McCaw/AT&T, BellSouth/Cingular, TDS/US Cellular -- but I
    believe that now, after various license swaps, AT&T now has all the
    A-side licenses in Hawaii.

    As for PrimeCo...which was a partnership of BAM and AirTouch:

    - PrimeCo Hawaii was sold to SPCS relatively early on
    - PrimeCo Virginia (Richmond etc.) was sold to CFW/Intelos/nTelos
    - PrimeCo Chicago was not folded into VZW (because GTE dba Ameritech
    Cellular was already there) and was spun off into an independent
    company, which USCC bought...hence how USCC got into Chicago
    - all other PrimeCo markets (FL, WI, TX, Mobile AL, MS Gulf Coast)
    were folded into VZW -- however, VZW sold most of the ex-PrimeCo
    spectrum in Houston to AT&T, and retained some for future use. (VZW
    may have sold off ex-PrimeCo spectrum in other areas, but I'm not
    aware of them having done so.)

    In Panama City (Bay County) FL, VZW has both an ex-PrimeCo license at
    1900 and an ex-Price license at 850; currently, from what I've heard,
    VZW is running CDMA only at 1900 there, to match the rest of FL. (The
    oddball 850 license could very well get sold to AT&T/Cingular, as AT&T
    has no license at all for Bay County -- the only county in FL where
    AT&T has no license -- and Cingular doesn't have much spectrum there.)

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  8. On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:26:32 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >Maybe someone can tell me whether VZW in Hawaii is the old Ameritech or
    >something else...?


    Former GTE -- GTE bought Hawaiian Telephone way back when so GTE (by
    default, since they've always been the only ILEC in Hawaii) got the
    B-side license...and GTE became part of Verizon Communications so GTE
    Mobilnet/GTE Wireless in Hawaii became VZW.

    (Verizon Communications is selling the Hawaii *landline* business off
    to an investor group, but *VZW* is *not* leaving Hawaii.)

    The A-side licenses for the different islands went to various
    companies -- McCaw/AT&T, BellSouth/Cingular, TDS/US Cellular -- but I
    believe that now, after various license swaps, AT&T now has all the
    A-side licenses in Hawaii.

    As for PrimeCo...which was a partnership of BAM and AirTouch:

    - PrimeCo Hawaii was sold to SPCS relatively early on
    - PrimeCo Virginia (Richmond etc.) was sold to CFW/Intelos/nTelos
    - PrimeCo Chicago was not folded into VZW (because GTE dba Ameritech
    Cellular was already there) and was spun off into an independent
    company, which USCC bought...hence how USCC got into Chicago
    - all other PrimeCo markets (FL, WI, TX, Mobile AL, MS Gulf Coast)
    were folded into VZW -- however, VZW sold most of the ex-PrimeCo
    spectrum in Houston to AT&T, and retained some for future use. (VZW
    may have sold off ex-PrimeCo spectrum in other areas, but I'm not
    aware of them having done so.)

    In Panama City (Bay County) FL, VZW has both an ex-PrimeCo license at
    1900 and an ex-Price license at 850; currently, from what I've heard,
    VZW is running CDMA only at 1900 there, to match the rest of FL. (The
    oddball 850 license could very well get sold to AT&T/Cingular, as AT&T
    has no license at all for Bay County -- the only county in FL where
    AT&T has no license -- and Cingular doesn't have much spectrum there.)

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  9. On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:26:32 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >Maybe someone can tell me whether VZW in Hawaii is the old Ameritech or
    >something else...?


    Former GTE -- GTE bought Hawaiian Telephone way back when so GTE (by
    default, since they've always been the only ILEC in Hawaii) got the
    B-side license...and GTE became part of Verizon Communications so GTE
    Mobilnet/GTE Wireless in Hawaii became VZW.

    (Verizon Communications is selling the Hawaii *landline* business off
    to an investor group, but *VZW* is *not* leaving Hawaii.)

    The A-side licenses for the different islands went to various
    companies -- McCaw/AT&T, BellSouth/Cingular, TDS/US Cellular -- but I
    believe that now, after various license swaps, AT&T now has all the
    A-side licenses in Hawaii.

    As for PrimeCo...which was a partnership of BAM and AirTouch:

    - PrimeCo Hawaii was sold to SPCS relatively early on
    - PrimeCo Virginia (Richmond etc.) was sold to CFW/Intelos/nTelos
    - PrimeCo Chicago was not folded into VZW (because GTE dba Ameritech
    Cellular was already there) and was spun off into an independent
    company, which USCC bought...hence how USCC got into Chicago
    - all other PrimeCo markets (FL, WI, TX, Mobile AL, MS Gulf Coast)
    were folded into VZW -- however, VZW sold most of the ex-PrimeCo
    spectrum in Houston to AT&T, and retained some for future use. (VZW
    may have sold off ex-PrimeCo spectrum in other areas, but I'm not
    aware of them having done so.)

    In Panama City (Bay County) FL, VZW has both an ex-PrimeCo license at
    1900 and an ex-Price license at 850; currently, from what I've heard,
    VZW is running CDMA only at 1900 there, to match the rest of FL. (The
    oddball 850 license could very well get sold to AT&T/Cingular, as AT&T
    has no license at all for Bay County -- the only county in FL where
    AT&T has no license -- and Cingular doesn't have much spectrum there.)

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  10. On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:26:32 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >Maybe someone can tell me whether VZW in Hawaii is the old Ameritech or
    >something else...?


    Former GTE -- GTE bought Hawaiian Telephone way back when so GTE (by
    default, since they've always been the only ILEC in Hawaii) got the
    B-side license...and GTE became part of Verizon Communications so GTE
    Mobilnet/GTE Wireless in Hawaii became VZW.

    (Verizon Communications is selling the Hawaii *landline* business off
    to an investor group, but *VZW* is *not* leaving Hawaii.)

    The A-side licenses for the different islands went to various
    companies -- McCaw/AT&T, BellSouth/Cingular, TDS/US Cellular -- but I
    believe that now, after various license swaps, AT&T now has all the
    A-side licenses in Hawaii.

    As for PrimeCo...which was a partnership of BAM and AirTouch:

    - PrimeCo Hawaii was sold to SPCS relatively early on
    - PrimeCo Virginia (Richmond etc.) was sold to CFW/Intelos/nTelos
    - PrimeCo Chicago was not folded into VZW (because GTE dba Ameritech
    Cellular was already there) and was spun off into an independent
    company, which USCC bought...hence how USCC got into Chicago
    - all other PrimeCo markets (FL, WI, TX, Mobile AL, MS Gulf Coast)
    were folded into VZW -- however, VZW sold most of the ex-PrimeCo
    spectrum in Houston to AT&T, and retained some for future use. (VZW
    may have sold off ex-PrimeCo spectrum in other areas, but I'm not
    aware of them having done so.)

    In Panama City (Bay County) FL, VZW has both an ex-PrimeCo license at
    1900 and an ex-Price license at 850; currently, from what I've heard,
    VZW is running CDMA only at 1900 there, to match the rest of FL. (The
    oddball 850 license could very well get sold to AT&T/Cingular, as AT&T
    has no license at all for Bay County -- the only county in FL where
    AT&T has no license -- and Cingular doesn't have much spectrum there.)

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  11. On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:26:32 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >Maybe someone can tell me whether VZW in Hawaii is the old Ameritech or
    >something else...?


    Former GTE -- GTE bought Hawaiian Telephone way back when so GTE (by
    default, since they've always been the only ILEC in Hawaii) got the
    B-side license...and GTE became part of Verizon Communications so GTE
    Mobilnet/GTE Wireless in Hawaii became VZW.

    (Verizon Communications is selling the Hawaii *landline* business off
    to an investor group, but *VZW* is *not* leaving Hawaii.)

    The A-side licenses for the different islands went to various
    companies -- McCaw/AT&T, BellSouth/Cingular, TDS/US Cellular -- but I
    believe that now, after various license swaps, AT&T now has all the
    A-side licenses in Hawaii.

    As for PrimeCo...which was a partnership of BAM and AirTouch:

    - PrimeCo Hawaii was sold to SPCS relatively early on
    - PrimeCo Virginia (Richmond etc.) was sold to CFW/Intelos/nTelos
    - PrimeCo Chicago was not folded into VZW (because GTE dba Ameritech
    Cellular was already there) and was spun off into an independent
    company, which USCC bought...hence how USCC got into Chicago
    - all other PrimeCo markets (FL, WI, TX, Mobile AL, MS Gulf Coast)
    were folded into VZW -- however, VZW sold most of the ex-PrimeCo
    spectrum in Houston to AT&T, and retained some for future use. (VZW
    may have sold off ex-PrimeCo spectrum in other areas, but I'm not
    aware of them having done so.)

    In Panama City (Bay County) FL, VZW has both an ex-PrimeCo license at
    1900 and an ex-Price license at 850; currently, from what I've heard,
    VZW is running CDMA only at 1900 there, to match the rest of FL. (The
    oddball 850 license could very well get sold to AT&T/Cingular, as AT&T
    has no license at all for Bay County -- the only county in FL where
    AT&T has no license -- and Cingular doesn't have much spectrum there.)

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  12. On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:26:32 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >Maybe someone can tell me whether VZW in Hawaii is the old Ameritech or
    >something else...?


    Former GTE -- GTE bought Hawaiian Telephone way back when so GTE (by
    default, since they've always been the only ILEC in Hawaii) got the
    B-side license...and GTE became part of Verizon Communications so GTE
    Mobilnet/GTE Wireless in Hawaii became VZW.

    (Verizon Communications is selling the Hawaii *landline* business off
    to an investor group, but *VZW* is *not* leaving Hawaii.)

    The A-side licenses for the different islands went to various
    companies -- McCaw/AT&T, BellSouth/Cingular, TDS/US Cellular -- but I
    believe that now, after various license swaps, AT&T now has all the
    A-side licenses in Hawaii.

    As for PrimeCo...which was a partnership of BAM and AirTouch:

    - PrimeCo Hawaii was sold to SPCS relatively early on
    - PrimeCo Virginia (Richmond etc.) was sold to CFW/Intelos/nTelos
    - PrimeCo Chicago was not folded into VZW (because GTE dba Ameritech
    Cellular was already there) and was spun off into an independent
    company, which USCC bought...hence how USCC got into Chicago
    - all other PrimeCo markets (FL, WI, TX, Mobile AL, MS Gulf Coast)
    were folded into VZW -- however, VZW sold most of the ex-PrimeCo
    spectrum in Houston to AT&T, and retained some for future use. (VZW
    may have sold off ex-PrimeCo spectrum in other areas, but I'm not
    aware of them having done so.)

    In Panama City (Bay County) FL, VZW has both an ex-PrimeCo license at
    1900 and an ex-Price license at 850; currently, from what I've heard,
    VZW is running CDMA only at 1900 there, to match the rest of FL. (The
    oddball 850 license could very well get sold to AT&T/Cingular, as AT&T
    has no license at all for Bay County -- the only county in FL where
    AT&T has no license -- and Cingular doesn't have much spectrum there.)

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  13. On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:26:32 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >Maybe someone can tell me whether VZW in Hawaii is the old Ameritech or
    >something else...?


    Former GTE -- GTE bought Hawaiian Telephone way back when so GTE (by
    default, since they've always been the only ILEC in Hawaii) got the
    B-side license...and GTE became part of Verizon Communications so GTE
    Mobilnet/GTE Wireless in Hawaii became VZW.

    (Verizon Communications is selling the Hawaii *landline* business off
    to an investor group, but *VZW* is *not* leaving Hawaii.)

    The A-side licenses for the different islands went to various
    companies -- McCaw/AT&T, BellSouth/Cingular, TDS/US Cellular -- but I
    believe that now, after various license swaps, AT&T now has all the
    A-side licenses in Hawaii.

    As for PrimeCo...which was a partnership of BAM and AirTouch:

    - PrimeCo Hawaii was sold to SPCS relatively early on
    - PrimeCo Virginia (Richmond etc.) was sold to CFW/Intelos/nTelos
    - PrimeCo Chicago was not folded into VZW (because GTE dba Ameritech
    Cellular was already there) and was spun off into an independent
    company, which USCC bought...hence how USCC got into Chicago
    - all other PrimeCo markets (FL, WI, TX, Mobile AL, MS Gulf Coast)
    were folded into VZW -- however, VZW sold most of the ex-PrimeCo
    spectrum in Houston to AT&T, and retained some for future use. (VZW
    may have sold off ex-PrimeCo spectrum in other areas, but I'm not
    aware of them having done so.)

    In Panama City (Bay County) FL, VZW has both an ex-PrimeCo license at
    1900 and an ex-Price license at 850; currently, from what I've heard,
    VZW is running CDMA only at 1900 there, to match the rest of FL. (The
    oddball 850 license could very well get sold to AT&T/Cingular, as AT&T
    has no license at all for Bay County -- the only county in FL where
    AT&T has no license -- and Cingular doesn't have much spectrum there.)

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  14. On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:26:32 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >Maybe someone can tell me whether VZW in Hawaii is the old Ameritech or
    >something else...?


    Former GTE -- GTE bought Hawaiian Telephone way back when so GTE (by
    default, since they've always been the only ILEC in Hawaii) got the
    B-side license...and GTE became part of Verizon Communications so GTE
    Mobilnet/GTE Wireless in Hawaii became VZW.

    (Verizon Communications is selling the Hawaii *landline* business off
    to an investor group, but *VZW* is *not* leaving Hawaii.)

    The A-side licenses for the different islands went to various
    companies -- McCaw/AT&T, BellSouth/Cingular, TDS/US Cellular -- but I
    believe that now, after various license swaps, AT&T now has all the
    A-side licenses in Hawaii.

    As for PrimeCo...which was a partnership of BAM and AirTouch:

    - PrimeCo Hawaii was sold to SPCS relatively early on
    - PrimeCo Virginia (Richmond etc.) was sold to CFW/Intelos/nTelos
    - PrimeCo Chicago was not folded into VZW (because GTE dba Ameritech
    Cellular was already there) and was spun off into an independent
    company, which USCC bought...hence how USCC got into Chicago
    - all other PrimeCo markets (FL, WI, TX, Mobile AL, MS Gulf Coast)
    were folded into VZW -- however, VZW sold most of the ex-PrimeCo
    spectrum in Houston to AT&T, and retained some for future use. (VZW
    may have sold off ex-PrimeCo spectrum in other areas, but I'm not
    aware of them having done so.)

    In Panama City (Bay County) FL, VZW has both an ex-PrimeCo license at
    1900 and an ex-Price license at 850; currently, from what I've heard,
    VZW is running CDMA only at 1900 there, to match the rest of FL. (The
    oddball 850 license could very well get sold to AT&T/Cingular, as AT&T
    has no license at all for Bay County -- the only county in FL where
    AT&T has no license -- and Cingular doesn't have much spectrum there.)

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  15. On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:26:32 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >Maybe someone can tell me whether VZW in Hawaii is the old Ameritech or
    >something else...?


    Former GTE -- GTE bought Hawaiian Telephone way back when so GTE (by
    default, since they've always been the only ILEC in Hawaii) got the
    B-side license...and GTE became part of Verizon Communications so GTE
    Mobilnet/GTE Wireless in Hawaii became VZW.

    (Verizon Communications is selling the Hawaii *landline* business off
    to an investor group, but *VZW* is *not* leaving Hawaii.)

    The A-side licenses for the different islands went to various
    companies -- McCaw/AT&T, BellSouth/Cingular, TDS/US Cellular -- but I
    believe that now, after various license swaps, AT&T now has all the
    A-side licenses in Hawaii.

    As for PrimeCo...which was a partnership of BAM and AirTouch:

    - PrimeCo Hawaii was sold to SPCS relatively early on
    - PrimeCo Virginia (Richmond etc.) was sold to CFW/Intelos/nTelos
    - PrimeCo Chicago was not folded into VZW (because GTE dba Ameritech
    Cellular was already there) and was spun off into an independent
    company, which USCC bought...hence how USCC got into Chicago
    - all other PrimeCo markets (FL, WI, TX, Mobile AL, MS Gulf Coast)
    were folded into VZW -- however, VZW sold most of the ex-PrimeCo
    spectrum in Houston to AT&T, and retained some for future use. (VZW
    may have sold off ex-PrimeCo spectrum in other areas, but I'm not
    aware of them having done so.)

    In Panama City (Bay County) FL, VZW has both an ex-PrimeCo license at
    1900 and an ex-Price license at 850; currently, from what I've heard,
    VZW is running CDMA only at 1900 there, to match the rest of FL. (The
    oddball 850 license could very well get sold to AT&T/Cingular, as AT&T
    has no license at all for Bay County -- the only county in FL where
    AT&T has no license -- and Cingular doesn't have much spectrum there.)

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  16. On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:26:32 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >Maybe someone can tell me whether VZW in Hawaii is the old Ameritech or
    >something else...?


    Former GTE -- GTE bought Hawaiian Telephone way back when so GTE (by
    default, since they've always been the only ILEC in Hawaii) got the
    B-side license...and GTE became part of Verizon Communications so GTE
    Mobilnet/GTE Wireless in Hawaii became VZW.

    (Verizon Communications is selling the Hawaii *landline* business off
    to an investor group, but *VZW* is *not* leaving Hawaii.)

    The A-side licenses for the different islands went to various
    companies -- McCaw/AT&T, BellSouth/Cingular, TDS/US Cellular -- but I
    believe that now, after various license swaps, AT&T now has all the
    A-side licenses in Hawaii.

    As for PrimeCo...which was a partnership of BAM and AirTouch:

    - PrimeCo Hawaii was sold to SPCS relatively early on
    - PrimeCo Virginia (Richmond etc.) was sold to CFW/Intelos/nTelos
    - PrimeCo Chicago was not folded into VZW (because GTE dba Ameritech
    Cellular was already there) and was spun off into an independent
    company, which USCC bought...hence how USCC got into Chicago
    - all other PrimeCo markets (FL, WI, TX, Mobile AL, MS Gulf Coast)
    were folded into VZW -- however, VZW sold most of the ex-PrimeCo
    spectrum in Houston to AT&T, and retained some for future use. (VZW
    may have sold off ex-PrimeCo spectrum in other areas, but I'm not
    aware of them having done so.)

    In Panama City (Bay County) FL, VZW has both an ex-PrimeCo license at
    1900 and an ex-Price license at 850; currently, from what I've heard,
    VZW is running CDMA only at 1900 there, to match the rest of FL. (The
    oddball 850 license could very well get sold to AT&T/Cingular, as AT&T
    has no license at all for Bay County -- the only county in FL where
    AT&T has no license -- and Cingular doesn't have much spectrum there.)

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  17. On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:26:32 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >Maybe someone can tell me whether VZW in Hawaii is the old Ameritech or
    >something else...?


    Former GTE -- GTE bought Hawaiian Telephone way back when so GTE (by
    default, since they've always been the only ILEC in Hawaii) got the
    B-side license...and GTE became part of Verizon Communications so GTE
    Mobilnet/GTE Wireless in Hawaii became VZW.

    (Verizon Communications is selling the Hawaii *landline* business off
    to an investor group, but *VZW* is *not* leaving Hawaii.)

    The A-side licenses for the different islands went to various
    companies -- McCaw/AT&T, BellSouth/Cingular, TDS/US Cellular -- but I
    believe that now, after various license swaps, AT&T now has all the
    A-side licenses in Hawaii.

    As for PrimeCo...which was a partnership of BAM and AirTouch:

    - PrimeCo Hawaii was sold to SPCS relatively early on
    - PrimeCo Virginia (Richmond etc.) was sold to CFW/Intelos/nTelos
    - PrimeCo Chicago was not folded into VZW (because GTE dba Ameritech
    Cellular was already there) and was spun off into an independent
    company, which USCC bought...hence how USCC got into Chicago
    - all other PrimeCo markets (FL, WI, TX, Mobile AL, MS Gulf Coast)
    were folded into VZW -- however, VZW sold most of the ex-PrimeCo
    spectrum in Houston to AT&T, and retained some for future use. (VZW
    may have sold off ex-PrimeCo spectrum in other areas, but I'm not
    aware of them having done so.)

    In Panama City (Bay County) FL, VZW has both an ex-PrimeCo license at
    1900 and an ex-Price license at 850; currently, from what I've heard,
    VZW is running CDMA only at 1900 there, to match the rest of FL. (The
    oddball 850 license could very well get sold to AT&T/Cingular, as AT&T
    has no license at all for Bay County -- the only county in FL where
    AT&T has no license -- and Cingular doesn't have much spectrum there.)

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  18. On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:26:32 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >Maybe someone can tell me whether VZW in Hawaii is the old Ameritech or
    >something else...?


    Former GTE -- GTE bought Hawaiian Telephone way back when so GTE (by
    default, since they've always been the only ILEC in Hawaii) got the
    B-side license...and GTE became part of Verizon Communications so GTE
    Mobilnet/GTE Wireless in Hawaii became VZW.

    (Verizon Communications is selling the Hawaii *landline* business off
    to an investor group, but *VZW* is *not* leaving Hawaii.)

    The A-side licenses for the different islands went to various
    companies -- McCaw/AT&T, BellSouth/Cingular, TDS/US Cellular -- but I
    believe that now, after various license swaps, AT&T now has all the
    A-side licenses in Hawaii.

    As for PrimeCo...which was a partnership of BAM and AirTouch:

    - PrimeCo Hawaii was sold to SPCS relatively early on
    - PrimeCo Virginia (Richmond etc.) was sold to CFW/Intelos/nTelos
    - PrimeCo Chicago was not folded into VZW (because GTE dba Ameritech
    Cellular was already there) and was spun off into an independent
    company, which USCC bought...hence how USCC got into Chicago
    - all other PrimeCo markets (FL, WI, TX, Mobile AL, MS Gulf Coast)
    were folded into VZW -- however, VZW sold most of the ex-PrimeCo
    spectrum in Houston to AT&T, and retained some for future use. (VZW
    may have sold off ex-PrimeCo spectrum in other areas, but I'm not
    aware of them having done so.)

    In Panama City (Bay County) FL, VZW has both an ex-PrimeCo license at
    1900 and an ex-Price license at 850; currently, from what I've heard,
    VZW is running CDMA only at 1900 there, to match the rest of FL. (The
    oddball 850 license could very well get sold to AT&T/Cingular, as AT&T
    has no license at all for Bay County -- the only county in FL where
    AT&T has no license -- and Cingular doesn't have much spectrum there.)

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
     
  19. David S

    David S Guest

    On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 07:58:17 -0400, "George" <george@nospam.invalid> chose
    to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

    >
    >"George" <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >news:S66dndteZMex-nXdRVn-uw@adelphia.com...
    >> >

    >> A & B just refer to the old designations for the incumbent (wired) carrier
    >> and the wireless carrier on the original 800 MHz analog cell systems. If
    >> you were using an analog phone in NYC on VZW it would list "B" as the
    >> serving system. But even though A & B are analog designations my bill

    >always
    >> lists the digital calls I make in NYC as "New York/B".

    >
    >Correction, A& B are not analog designations but are the groups of channels
    >that each carrier has.


    Last week, I was on a train going up the bank of the Mississippi River in
    Iowa (and a bit of Minnesota). My 4400, when it didn't say Searching For
    Service, would either show a channel number or AMPS B, and at least once
    AMPS A (which was solid roaming). There were several SIDs, some of them
    from across the river in Wisconsin.

    --
    David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    "You better do something, you idiot, because in ten minutes you're going to
    have two hundred tons of locomotive smashing through Central Station on its
    way to Marshall Field's!" - the Chief
     
  20. David S

    David S Guest

    On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 07:58:17 -0400, "George" <george@nospam.invalid> chose
    to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

    >
    >"George" <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >news:S66dndteZMex-nXdRVn-uw@adelphia.com...
    >> >

    >> A & B just refer to the old designations for the incumbent (wired) carrier
    >> and the wireless carrier on the original 800 MHz analog cell systems. If
    >> you were using an analog phone in NYC on VZW it would list "B" as the
    >> serving system. But even though A & B are analog designations my bill

    >always
    >> lists the digital calls I make in NYC as "New York/B".

    >
    >Correction, A& B are not analog designations but are the groups of channels
    >that each carrier has.


    Last week, I was on a train going up the bank of the Mississippi River in
    Iowa (and a bit of Minnesota). My 4400, when it didn't say Searching For
    Service, would either show a channel number or AMPS B, and at least once
    AMPS A (which was solid roaming). There were several SIDs, some of them
    from across the river in Wisconsin.

    --
    David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    "You better do something, you idiot, because in ten minutes you're going to
    have two hundred tons of locomotive smashing through Central Station on its
    way to Marshall Field's!" - the Chief
     

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