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Absence of the good phones from Verizon

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by John Doe, Nov 23, 2003.

  1. SallyT

    SallyT Guest

    We both still have the 7868W

    I still think its one of the best phones out there too

    Its very interesting to be SITTING in a restaurant, where the signal
    strength bar might be 1 bar, then have the analog A appear.

    What that telling me is that if this was a new er VX4400 phone, I'd have no
    service!

    Also this phone is great when we travel off the beaten path (still in cars),
    but off the interstates, when many areas of small towns have analog only

    I would trade this phone in for anything soon!





    "John Doe" <John_Doe@inbox.ru> wrote in message
    news:bprmhq$1s1h8r$1@ID-195462.news.uni-berlin.de...
    > I still own Motorola 7868W
    >
    > The only thing I am missing is abilty to take notes - sometimes I need to
    > write down address,
    > boook name, etc. I am completely satisfied with sound quality,

    reliability,
    > ability to place and hold calls.
    > Battery is not holding up the charge as well as when it was new (over 2

    yrs



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  2. Jeff

    Jeff Guest

    Actually NiMH batteries develop a memory too, and are best if discharged
    before being recharged. However, the symtoms are significantly less than
    that of an old NiCad battery.

    -Jeff


    "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:bpsn05$1rq1ob$1@ID-190045.news.uni-berlin.de...
    >
    > Two questions pop up, why not get a new battery for your old phone, and

    why
    > are you waiting for it to discharge before you charge it? (with the NiMH

    and
    > Lion batteries you don't have to fully discharge them before recharging,
    > that was the old Nicads that had a memory effect problem and haven't been
    > used in years for just that reason)
    >
    >
  3. PG

    PG Guest

    Maybe I am one of the few, but I actually thought that I got a better signal
    with my v60i and now the vx4400 than I ever did with the 7868. Of the three
    I felt the v60i was the best followed by the vx4400 and then the 7868. I
    agree that the 7868 was a good phone, but I never thought it was the best
    I've used as far as reception goes. I've had all three of them sitting side
    by side and where the 7868 got 1 bar of signal the other two would get at
    least 2 and sometimes 3. So to say that the vx4400 would not get service
    where your 7868 does is probably not a correct statement.


    "SallyT" <STR@nospam.spam> wrote in message
    news:bpnwb.29787$Hb.9657625@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
    > We both still have the 7868W
    >
    > I still think its one of the best phones out there too
    >
    > Its very interesting to be SITTING in a restaurant, where the signal
    > strength bar might be 1 bar, then have the analog A appear.
    >
    > What that telling me is that if this was a new er VX4400 phone, I'd have

    no
    > service!
    >
    > Also this phone is great when we travel off the beaten path (still in

    cars),
    > but off the interstates, when many areas of small towns have analog only
    >
    > I would trade this phone in for anything soon!
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "John Doe" <John_Doe@inbox.ru> wrote in message
    > news:bprmhq$1s1h8r$1@ID-195462.news.uni-berlin.de...
    > > I still own Motorola 7868W
    > >
    > > The only thing I am missing is abilty to take notes - sometimes I need

    to
    > > write down address,
    > > boook name, etc. I am completely satisfied with sound quality,

    > reliability,
    > > ability to place and hold calls.
    > > Battery is not holding up the charge as well as when it was new (over 2

    > yrs
    >
    >
  4. RGG

    RGG Guest

    The 7868W can go into analog mode

    The 4400 can not, as it doesn't have it

    The 7868W will connect when the 4400 can not (analog mode) PERIOD

    To compare signal strength bars on different phones is absurd - TWO
    DIFFERENT PHONES



    "PG" <com@com.com> wrote in message
    news:qCowb.85481$M02.41316@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
    > Maybe I am one of the few, but I actually thought that I got a better

    signal
    > with my v60i and now the vx4400 than I ever did with the 7868. Of the

    three
    > I felt the v60i was the best followed by the vx4400 and then the 7868. I
    > agree that the 7868 was a good phone, but I never thought it was the best
    > I've used as far as reception goes. I've had all three of them sitting

    side
    > by side and where the 7868 got 1 bar of signal the other two would get at
    > least 2 and sometimes 3. So to say that the vx4400 would not get service
    > where your 7868 does is probably not a correct statement.
    >
    >
    > "SallyT" <STR@nospam.spam> wrote in message
    > news:bpnwb.29787$Hb.9657625@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
    > > We both still have the 7868W
    > >
    > > I still think its one of the best phones out there too
    > >
    > > Its very interesting to be SITTING in a restaurant, where the signal
    > > strength bar might be 1 bar, then have the analog A appear.
    > >
    > > What that telling me is that if this was a new er VX4400 phone, I'd have

    > no
    > > service!
    > >
    > > Also this phone is great when we travel off the beaten path (still in

    > cars),
    > > but off the interstates, when many areas of small towns have analog only
    > >
    > > I would trade this phone in for anything soon!
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > "John Doe" <John_Doe@inbox.ru> wrote in message
    > > news:bprmhq$1s1h8r$1@ID-195462.news.uni-berlin.de...
    > > > I still own Motorola 7868W
    > > >
    > > > The only thing I am missing is abilty to take notes - sometimes I need

    > to
    > > > write down address,
    > > > boook name, etc. I am completely satisfied with sound quality,

    > > reliability,
    > > > ability to place and hold calls.
    > > > Battery is not holding up the charge as well as when it was new (over

    2
    > > yrs
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
  5. "RGG" <RGG@RNET.CAM> wrote in message
    news:z3pwb.30294$Hb.10038727@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
    > The 7868W can go into analog mode
    >
    > The 4400 can not, as it doesn't have it
    >
    > The 7868W will connect when the 4400 can not (analog mode) PERIOD
    >
    > To compare signal strength bars on different phones is absurd - TWO
    > DIFFERENT PHONES
    >
    >


    Ummm, since when was the vx4400 digital only? Tis also analog.
  6. "RGG" <RGG@RNET.CAM> wrote in message
    news:z3pwb.30294$Hb.10038727@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
    > The 7868W can go into analog mode
    >
    > The 4400 can not, as it doesn't have it


    The 4400 has analog.

    http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?id=214
  7. Mike

    Mike Guest

    On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:01:51 GMT, "RGG" <RGG@RNET.CAM> wrote:

    >The 7868W can go into analog mode
    >
    >The 4400 can not, as it doesn't have it
    >
    >The 7868W will connect when the 4400 can not (analog mode) PERIOD


    Wrong, wrong, wrong. The 4400 most assuredly HAS analog mode. Heck,
    that's one of the main reasons I bought it!

    You may be thinking of the 6000, which is the LG camera phone VZW is
    pushing heavily. The 6000 is digital-only.

    Oddly enough, I've seen folks say the 6000 has an excellent RF section
    (digital-only). ;)

    Mike
  8. ileen

    ileen Guest

    "SallyT" <STR@nospam.spam> wrote

    > We both still have the 7868W
    > I still think its one of the best phones out there too
    >
    > Its very interesting to be SITTING in a restaurant, where the signal
    > strength bar might be 1 bar, then have the analog A appear.
    >
    > What that telling me is that if this was a new er VX4400 phone, I'd have

    no
    > service!


    You are misinformed because the VX4400 has analog capabilities. Your post
    gave me a good chuckle though...how tragic to not be able to get signal
    sitting in a restaurant! How did people even *live* pre-90's????

    I think it's funny that people bemoan the offering of current phones while
    at the same time declaring they love what they have. When I'm happy with
    what I've got I don't even bother looking to see what else is available, but
    that's me.

    Ileen
  9. Mike

    Mike Guest

    On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:01:01 GMT, "ileen"
    <ileen@maine.abbreviationforroadrunner.com> wrote:

    >I think it's funny that people bemoan the offering of current phones while
    >at the same time declaring they love what they have. When I'm happy with
    >what I've got I don't even bother looking to see what else is available, but
    >that's me.


    You're a woman, presumably...males supposedly have the "grass is
    greener on the other side" syndrome. ;)

    Not me...I still love my 4400! Oh, sure, there are times I think it'd
    "be cool" to take a picture with the 6000. Or maybe I'd want the
    speakerphone built into the eventual 4400 replacement, the 4500. But
    I'm willing to live without those. I don't really need a
    speakerphone, I carry around a much better digital camera, and a PDA
    to E-Mail pictures with (with the 4400's data cable), but I still need
    analog, which neither the 4500 nor the 6000 have!

    Mike
  10. John Doe <John_Doe@inbox.ru> wrote:
    > I still own Motorola 7868W
    >
    > The only thing I am missing is abilty to take notes - sometimes I need to
    > write down address,
    > boook name, etc. I am completely satisfied with sound quality, reliability,
    > ability to place and hold calls.
    > Battery is not holding up the charge as well as when it was new (over 2 yrs
    > ago I would recharge it
    > every 5 days or so. Admittedly, I don't talk much), but I still can use it
    > for at least 2 days without charging.


    The Kyo 2325 does both voice and text memos...

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  11. In article <bprmhq$1s1h8r$1@ID-195462.news.uni-berlin.de>, John Doe
    <John_Doe@inbox.ru> wrote:

    > The only contender is LG VX4400, but there are reports
    > of it freezing...


    The Motorola T720 has numerous reports of freezing. Never have I seen
    an LG VX4400 freeze, and I've owned one virtually since it came out.

    > Battery life for VX4400 ? "Well, it's not bad for a color phone..." they
    > say. How f****d is that ?


    Color screens take more power to operate. A second backlit display on
    the outside also takes power. A flip-phone with its small form factor
    generally has a smaller battery. You do the math.

    > My 2.5 years old phone could go 5 days without the recharge. Why no new
    > phones can ?!?!?!?


    Spend a few bucks and get an extended battery for the 4400, and you'll
    be able to go 4-5 days between charges. The factory battery is much
    more compact, but only gets you maybe 2 days.

    I got my extra battery here:
    <http://www.malcomwireless.com/wireless/store/accessorydetail.asp?id=192
    68>



    > But hope you see my point. I think we should all stop paying for all these
    > useless features if phone can't perform it's basic functions.


    The VX4400 is one of the best performers out there (excluding Sprint's
    Sanyo phones). It's rock-solid reliable, and has very good sound
    quality and RF performance. While it does have the "crap" features you
    mention, it's a terrific telephone above all else.

    Your other option is to invest $20 in a replacement battery for the
    StarTac to regain your battery capacity, and $0.50 in a pen and
    notepad. Me, I'm quite fond of the 4400.

    --
    Garner R. Miller
    Manchester, CT =USA=
  12. PG

    PG Guest

    1. 4400 DOES have analog.
    2. I can compare signal strength between the phones because in my house
    where I would only get 1 bar with the 7868 and drop calls frequently I would
    get 2-3 bars with my v60i and 4400 and I no longer drop calls in my house.
    So I don't think my comparison is absurd.


    "RGG" <RGG@RNET.CAM> wrote in message
    news:z3pwb.30294$Hb.10038727@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
    > The 7868W can go into analog mode
    >
    > The 4400 can not, as it doesn't have it
    >
    > The 7868W will connect when the 4400 can not (analog mode) PERIOD
    >
    > To compare signal strength bars on different phones is absurd - TWO
    > DIFFERENT PHONES
    >
    >
    >
    > "PG" <com@com.com> wrote in message
    > news:qCowb.85481$M02.41316@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
    > > Maybe I am one of the few, but I actually thought that I got a better

    > signal
    > > with my v60i and now the vx4400 than I ever did with the 7868. Of the

    > three
    > > I felt the v60i was the best followed by the vx4400 and then the 7868.

    I
    > > agree that the 7868 was a good phone, but I never thought it was the

    best
    > > I've used as far as reception goes. I've had all three of them sitting

    > side
    > > by side and where the 7868 got 1 bar of signal the other two would get

    at
    > > least 2 and sometimes 3. So to say that the vx4400 would not get

    service
    > > where your 7868 does is probably not a correct statement.
  13. Rick Folkers

    Rick Folkers Guest

    For what its worth I had the Startac for two years. It was a great phone.
    I am now
    using the LG VX6000 and thinks its fine. I changed service from Alltel to
    Verizon
    so maybe that is the reason but the menus are better on the LG. Battery
    life I don't
    know about because I charged my phone every night then and do so now. I
    also have
    a car charger so battery life was never a big issue with me. It is so
    manageable that
    it is low down on my list compared to sound quality and ease of use.



    "John Doe" <John_Doe@inbox.ru> wrote in message
    news:bprmhq$1s1h8r$1@ID-195462.news.uni-berlin.de...
    > I still own Motorola 7868W
    >
    > The only thing I am missing is abilty to take notes - sometimes I need to
    > write down address,
    > boook name, etc. I am completely satisfied with sound quality,

    reliability,
    > ability to place and hold calls.
    > Battery is not holding up the charge as well as when it was new (over 2

    yrs
    > ago I would recharge it
    > every 5 days or so. Admittedly, I don't talk much), but I still can use it
    > for at least 2 days without charging.
    >
    > So I started looking at the new phones, and to my surprise can't find a
    > decent replacement.
    > I can't care less about color screen, camera, midi ringers, animated

    bitmaps
    > for background, games,
    > GET IT NOW, PTT and the rest of this crap. THE PHONE IS A PHONE !!! All I
    > want is TRI-MODE phone that
    > at least as good as 7868W. And there isn't any !!! The only contender is

    LG
    > VX4400, but there are reports
    > of it freezing (what is this? My 7868 never froze in 2 years, and I won't
    > tolerate that. Even Verizon saleperson
    > admitted that: "It's not the phone ! It's the battery. You take it out,

    put
    > it back in, and it works again" Now,
    > what he said is ridiculous, the problem is in the phone, but that's beyond
    > the point. The point is how many
    > time will pass until I notice my phone is frozen ? I am not the type who
    > fiddles with his phone all the time.
    > Sometimes I only remember about it when charge gets low and it starts
    > beeping. So it could be hours or days
    > while people would be calling me and couldn't reach me)
    >
    > Battery life for VX4400 ? "Well, it's not bad for a color phone..." they
    > say. How f****d is that ?
    > My 2.5 years old phone could go 5 days without the recharge. Why no new
    > phones can ?!?!?!?
    >
    > I really don't want to asked that hated question "Does anyone know when

    new
    > phones are coming ?"
    > But hope you see my point. I think we should all stop paying for all these
    > useless features
    > if phone can't perform it's basic functions. Maybe the Verizon will get a
    > message.
    >
    >
  14. Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, John Doe said:

    ; Battery is not holding up the charge as well as when it was new (over 2 yrs
    ; ago I would recharge it
    ; every 5 days or so. Admittedly, I don't talk much), but I still can use it
    ; for at least 2 days without charging.

    So, get a new battery. They are replaceable, and they will start to
    loose their ability to hold a charge after a couple years. Only $35
    direct from Motorola for the "Extra Capacity". That's got to be
    cheaper than a new phone, especially since you don't like the new
    phones.

    Here's the URL to buy it:
    http://commerce.motorola.com/cgi-bi...2&zipcode=&phoneID=&search_string=24&type=All

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    achieving an annual expenditure higher than annual income. The
    technique seems to be restricted, for no apparent reason, to national
    governments.
  15. Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Thomas M. Goethe said:

    ; The Startac is not a bad phone, though I find it slippery and I don't
    ; like the phone book organization. It has an entry for each phone number, not
    ; like the way the Strata did it, one name with several entries. These guys

    I have two StarTacs sitting on a shelf. A Cingular (nee Cellular One)
    TDMA and a Verizon CDMA. The TDMA's phone book is as you say, one
    number per entry, 99 entries max. The CDMA has four (or five?) numbers
    per entry, 99 entries max for a total of 396 (or 495?) numbers.

    --
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    - i.e., a picture or design of some kind imprinted on a paper in such a
    way as to permit its being transferred, after wetting, to another
    surface. Nowadays what used to be called simply 'transfers' are coming
    to be called 'decals' - which is simply an abbreviation of the above
    word.
  16. Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Mike said:

    ; Not me...I still love my 4400! Oh, sure, there are times I think it'd
    ; "be cool" to take a picture with the 6000. Or maybe I'd want the
    ; speakerphone built into the eventual 4400 replacement, the 4500. But
    ; I'm willing to live without those. I don't really need a
    ; speakerphone, I carry around a much better digital camera, and a PDA

    There actually is a very valid reason to have a decent speakerphone
    mode - in-car use. Get a phone holder and a car charging cable, and
    put the phone on speakerphone mode while driving.

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  17. Dean M

    Dean M Guest

    Yeah, I chose to ignore the mild sarcasm and look for the good in his post.

    Dean
    ___________________________________
    John Doe wrote:

    > "Dean M" <"dean173"@yahoo.com(change to aol)> wrote in message
    > news:DUdwb.8297$7%4.1477@nwrdny03.gnilink.net...
    > > I agree with you, and I did exactly what the reply said. I now have 4

    > beautiful
    > > 7868's and a 7860 stockpiled. Good advice.

    >
    > Funny thing is that I think the reply you are referring to was deeply
    > sarcastic :-D
    >
    > The new phones offer absolutely
    > > nothing for someone who is more interested in making and receiving calls

    > than
    > > figuring out which new ringtone, wallpaper or game to pay for.
    > >
    > > I don't hold it against Verizon, after all, they are in business to make

    > money.
    > >
    > > Wish I could find a 270c...

    >
    > As someone above mentioned, look here:
    >
    > http://shop.store.yahoo.com/cellpoint/motcdmaphon.html
    >
    > They seem to have that phone ( or say they do, to be exact). I am not
    > sure you'd be willing to pay that price though

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