1. Welcome to Verizon Forums - the unofficial Verizon community! Have a question about Verizon? Click HERE to get started.
    Dismiss Notice
  2. Expecting Cell Phone Forums? We recently moved Verizon specific content to VerizonForums.com. If you previously had an account on CPF, it has been transferred!
    Dismiss Notice

ACII vs. Sprint Free and Clear (w/no roaming)

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by cathy, Mar 25, 2005.

  1. cathy

    cathy Guest

    Has anyone done any sort of comparison between the coverage areas on
    the new ACII plan and Sprint's Free and Clear plan (where you pay an
    extra $5 a month for no roaming anywhere in their system)? Given the
    restrictions of the ACII plan, I'm curious to see which provider
    actually has a wider coverage area without roaming.

    I'm not necessarily looking to switch to Sprint from Verizon, but it
    seems to me this would be a valuable comparison, for the customer's
    benefit. (I'll leave it to the experts here in the newsgroup to do the
    comparison, I'm absolutely hopeless when it comes to reading maps).

    Thanks!
    Cathy
     



    › See More: ACII vs. Sprint Free and Clear (w/no roaming)
  2. Rich

    Rich Guest

    This may be of some help:

    http://www.mountainwireless.com/3netmap.htm

    Rich

    cathy wrote:
    > Has anyone done any sort of comparison between the coverage areas on
    > the new ACII plan and Sprint's Free and Clear plan (where you pay an
    > extra $5 a month for no roaming anywhere in their system)? Given the
    > restrictions of the ACII plan, I'm curious to see which provider
    > actually has a wider coverage area without roaming.
    >
    > I'm not necessarily looking to switch to Sprint from Verizon, but it
    > seems to me this would be a valuable comparison, for the customer's
    > benefit. (I'll leave it to the experts here in the newsgroup to do the
    > comparison, I'm absolutely hopeless when it comes to reading maps).
    >
    > Thanks!
    > Cathy
     
  3. Notan

    Notan Guest

    cathy wrote:
    >
    > Has anyone done any sort of comparison between the coverage areas on
    > the new ACII plan and Sprint's Free and Clear plan (where you pay an
    > extra $5 a month for no roaming anywhere in their system)? Given the
    > restrictions of the ACII plan, I'm curious to see which provider
    > actually has a wider coverage area without roaming.


    One caveat... The plan says that your roaming minutes must not exceed
    50% of your total minutes used.

    Notan
     
  4. Isaiah Beard

    Isaiah Beard Guest

    Rich wrote:
    > This may be of some help:
    >
    > http://www.mountainwireless.com/3netmap.htm


    By chance, does anyone have a similar map for Sprint that shows only
    CDMA digital roaming on F&CA? Some of us are unfortunately stuck with
    non-AMPS capable phones, and I would bet those are going to become more
    common as time passes.


    --
    E-mail fudged to thwart spammers.
    Transpose the c's and a's in my e-mail address to reply.
     
  5. cathy

    cathy Guest

    On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:03:04 -0500, Rich <mathwhiz@mathwhiz.org>
    wrote:

    >This may be of some help:
    >
    >http://www.mountainwireless.com/3netmap.htm
    >
    >Rich
    >
    >cathy wrote:
    >> Has anyone done any sort of comparison between the coverage areas on
    >> the new ACII plan and Sprint's Free and Clear plan (where you pay an
    >> extra $5 a month for no roaming anywhere in their system)? Given the
    >> restrictions of the ACII plan, I'm curious to see which provider
    >> actually has a wider coverage area without roaming.
    >>
    >> I'm not necessarily looking to switch to Sprint from Verizon, but it
    >> seems to me this would be a valuable comparison, for the customer's
    >> benefit. (I'll leave it to the experts here in the newsgroup to do the
    >> comparison, I'm absolutely hopeless when it comes to reading maps).
    >>
    >> Thanks!
    >> Cathy


    OK....I've looked at the maps, and as far as I can tell (please
    correct me if I'm wrong, as I said, I'm pretty bad at reading maps),
    Sprint has better/wider coverage than Verizon. Is this really the
    case? Or are there some drawbacks to Sprint that I'm just not seeing?

    Cathy
     
  6. The key here is which service has the widest coverage, native or
    roaming, since all allowed roaming is included in the price plans.

    Having both Sprint F&CA (work) and Verizon AC (personal), I can report
    that on rare occasions I've had service roaming on Sprint when
    service was not available on my VZW phone. I haven't traveled to the
    specific areas not covered by ACII, but assume that Sprint does have
    roaming in at least some of those areas. So theoretically, Sprint would
    give you a larger footprint.

    Reality is a bit different, though. I have found numerous areas on the
    edges of Sprint native coverage where my phone would not roam unless
    forced to analog, then not very well. Since Verizon tends to have
    broader coverage due to the majority of legacy cellular band service,
    their coverage is much less spotty. These problem areas include
    suburban Boston, New York, Washington DC, Dallas-Ft. Worth, Los Angeles
    and Denver.

    Don't get me wrong-there are some great things about Sprint
    services (we actually sell SPCS along with other telecom and computer
    products), but for voice connectivity I'd choose Verizon (which I
    don't sell!) if I could carry only one phone.
     
  7. Steve Sobol

    Steve Sobol Guest

    cathy wrote:

    > OK....I've looked at the maps, and as far as I can tell (please
    > correct me if I'm wrong, as I said, I'm pretty bad at reading maps),
    > Sprint has better/wider coverage than Verizon. Is this really the
    > case? Or are there some drawbacks to Sprint that I'm just not seeing?


    Sprint has service where Verizon has none. (Oklahoma and Arkansas, for
    example.) I'm not sure if the converse is true, although it probably is.

    --
    JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638)
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / sjsobol@JustThe.net / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED

    "The wisdom of a fool won't set you free"
    --New Order, "Bizarre Love Triangle"
     
  8. Dan Albrich

    Dan Albrich Guest

    Yes, Sprint with F&CA option is *by far and away* superior to Verizon for
    basic voice coverage.
    Likely thousands or even hundreds of thousands of square miles included with
    Sprint where
    Verizon users would pay roaming or have no service.

    *** -> But, that doesn't tell the whole story....

    CDMA carriers tend to offer a number of services that *only* work when on
    the native system.
    For this reason, it's not clear cut to choose Sprint. For example, when you
    roam with Sprint
    you will not be able to do data, and in some cases this means SMS text
    messaging and even
    simple features like voicemail waiting indication or caller ID are not
    available.

    Sprint roams in analog in some locations, which in and of itself isn't bad,
    but battery life is
    terrible on most modern phones when in analog mode, assuming they support
    analog at all.

    Cingular actually has good coverage. Not as good as Sprint for basic voice
    coverage
    but close, and note that *all features work* seemlessly even when roaming.

    So why choose Verizon? My local area -- where I live and really use my
    phone the most
    has excellent Verizon service with no "all system busy." Cingular in my
    area is basically
    dead-last when it comes to local coverage and system availability where I
    live.

    Anyway, the whole thing gets pretty complex. If all I cared is best voice
    coverage (say
    RV traveller) and I did not care one bit about data, then Sprint seems to
    have the best deal.

    Once you say you want seemless roaming or access to data on the road, Sprint
    becomes
    less viable as their native coverage is specific to highways and cities.
    Not much rural coverage
    to speak of at all-- at least here in the West. i.e. Data and all enchanced
    services are not available
    when roaming even if you are willing to pay for them.

    Verizon, for the moment, provides me with:
    - Excellent specific local coverage
    - Decent national coverage (but not the best)
    - At the moment, I have free access to data (just the cost of minutes).

    Rumor mill has it Verizon is removing free data. When that day comes, and I
    actually get billed
    for data (which some say is coming sooner rather than later), then I'll
    switch carriers.

    Anyway, It's all about finding the best value for your needs. Each carrier
    has advantages
    to a particular audience. But yes, if you simply mean who can give me the
    *largest* voice
    coverage area at the best price (all other issues ignored), Sprint is the
    answer.

    -Dan

    PS: Cingular and Verizon can offer a "Digital One Rate" or "Single-Rate"
    plan similar to Sprint's
    F&CA which even allows you to use 100% of your minutes roaming. This is,
    however,
    offered at an extreme price increase. Again, not the best value.

    Digital one Rate may or may not be currently available.

    SingleRate is currently available as a National Access plan...

    --

    =======================
    Oregon and the Pacific Northwest
    http://cell.uoregon.edu

    --

    "cathy" <cwells21@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:q2d841tjoehfeale44h4crbua89qb7qhuv@4ax.com...
    > Has anyone done any sort of comparison between the coverage areas on
    > the new ACII plan and Sprint's Free and Clear plan (where you pay an
    > extra $5 a month for no roaming anywhere in their system)? Given the
    > restrictions of the ACII plan, I'm curious to see which provider
    > actually has a wider coverage area without roaming.
    >
    > I'm not necessarily looking to switch to Sprint from Verizon, but it
    > seems to me this would be a valuable comparison, for the customer's
    > benefit. (I'll leave it to the experts here in the newsgroup to do the
    > comparison, I'm absolutely hopeless when it comes to reading maps).
    >
    > Thanks!
    > Cathy
     
  9. It depends on location. In some states like WI and I think MN, Sprint
    PCS has more area and more people covered than verizon. It is extremely
    likely that verizon customers in those areas will have a roaming
    partner, like USCellular or maybe Sprint PCS.
     
  10. IMHO IIRC

    IMHO IIRC Guest

    In the office where I work - near the Wichita, KS airport - Sprint phones
    will ring but when you try to answer it will not connect - VZW phones can
    make and receive calls. Both phones have a good signal and work fine
    outside the building.

    In news:MvGdndOt9sYoUdnfRVn-ow@comcast.com,
    Dan Albrich <dalbrich@uoregon.edui> typed:
    > Yes, Sprint with F&CA option is *by far and away* superior to Verizon
    > for basic voice coverage.
    > Likely thousands or even hundreds of thousands of square miles
    > included with Sprint where
    > Verizon users would pay roaming or have no service.
    >
    > *** -> But, that doesn't tell the whole story....
    >
    > CDMA carriers tend to offer a number of services that *only* work
    > when on the native system.
    > For this reason, it's not clear cut to choose Sprint. For example,
    > when you roam with Sprint
    > you will not be able to do data, and in some cases this means SMS text
    > messaging and even
    > simple features like voicemail waiting indication or caller ID are not
    > available.
    >
    > Sprint roams in analog in some locations, which in and of itself
    > isn't bad, but battery life is
    > terrible on most modern phones when in analog mode, assuming they
    > support analog at all.
    >
    > Cingular actually has good coverage. Not as good as Sprint for basic
    > voice coverage
    > but close, and note that *all features work* seemlessly even when
    > roaming.
    > So why choose Verizon? My local area -- where I live and really use
    > my phone the most
    > has excellent Verizon service with no "all system busy." Cingular in
    > my area is basically
    > dead-last when it comes to local coverage and system availability
    > where I live.
    >
    > Anyway, the whole thing gets pretty complex. If all I cared is best
    > voice coverage (say
    > RV traveller) and I did not care one bit about data, then Sprint
    > seems to have the best deal.
    >
    > Once you say you want seemless roaming or access to data on the road,
    > Sprint becomes
    > less viable as their native coverage is specific to highways and
    > cities. Not much rural coverage
    > to speak of at all-- at least here in the West. i.e. Data and all
    > enchanced services are not available
    > when roaming even if you are willing to pay for them.
    >
    > Verizon, for the moment, provides me with:
    > - Excellent specific local coverage
    > - Decent national coverage (but not the best)
    > - At the moment, I have free access to data (just the cost of
    > minutes).
    > Rumor mill has it Verizon is removing free data. When that day
    > comes, and I actually get billed
    > for data (which some say is coming sooner rather than later), then
    > I'll switch carriers.
    >
    > Anyway, It's all about finding the best value for your needs. Each
    > carrier has advantages
    > to a particular audience. But yes, if you simply mean who can give
    > me the *largest* voice
    > coverage area at the best price (all other issues ignored), Sprint is
    > the answer.
    >
    > -Dan
    >
    > PS: Cingular and Verizon can offer a "Digital One Rate" or
    > "Single-Rate" plan similar to Sprint's
    > F&CA which even allows you to use 100% of your minutes roaming. This is,
    > however,
    > offered at an extreme price increase. Again, not the best value.
    >
    > Digital one Rate may or may not be currently available.
    >
    > SingleRate is currently available as a National Access plan...
    >
    > --
    >
    > =======================
    > Oregon and the Pacific Northwest
    > http://cell.uoregon.edu
    >
    >
    > "cathy" <cwells21@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:q2d841tjoehfeale44h4crbua89qb7qhuv@4ax.com...
    >> Has anyone done any sort of comparison between the coverage areas on
    >> the new ACII plan and Sprint's Free and Clear plan (where you pay an
    >> extra $5 a month for no roaming anywhere in their system)? Given the
    >> restrictions of the ACII plan, I'm curious to see which provider
    >> actually has a wider coverage area without roaming.
    >>
    >> I'm not necessarily looking to switch to Sprint from Verizon, but it
    >> seems to me this would be a valuable comparison, for the customer's
    >> benefit. (I'll leave it to the experts here in the newsgroup to do
    >> the comparison, I'm absolutely hopeless when it comes to reading
    >> maps). Thanks!
    >> Cathy
     
  11. Steve Sobol

    Steve Sobol Guest

    Dan Albrich wrote:

    > CDMA carriers tend to offer a number of services that *only* work when on
    > the native system.
    > For this reason, it's not clear cut to choose Sprint. For example, when you
    > roam with Sprint
    > you will not be able to do data, and in some cases this means SMS text
    > messaging and even
    > simple features like voicemail waiting indication or caller ID are not
    > available.


    Same with Verizon.


    --
    JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638)
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / sjsobol@JustThe.net / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED

    "The wisdom of a fool won't set you free"
    --New Order, "Bizarre Love Triangle"
     
  12. GeorgeB

    GeorgeB Guest

    On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:48:55 -0800, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
    wrote:

    >Dan Albrich wrote:
    >
    >> CDMA carriers tend to offer a number of services that *only* work when on
    >> the native system.
    >> For this reason, it's not clear cut to choose Sprint. For example, when you
    >> roam with Sprint
    >> you will not be able to do data, and in some cases this means SMS text
    >> messaging and even
    >> simple features like voicemail waiting indication or caller ID are not
    >> available.

    >
    >Same with Verizon.


    Alltel (my provider) on Verizon maintains full, AFAIK, features. I
    strongly suspect that Verizon on Alltel does also. Several associates
    with Verizon have no problem in Alltel areas. I'm speaking here of
    the NC/SC/VA/TN areas.

    George
     
  13. Dan Albrich

    Dan Albrich Guest

    Yes, a few years ago Alltel and Verizon did a press release indicating their
    efforts to have features be transparent including circuit switched data.
    It's unclear to me if 1X data would work, but my understanding is that
    circuit switched will.

    Here in Oregon, there's no Alltel, and not going to be one soon (our
    Cellular One is not related to Western Wireless).

    Anyway, here in Oregon, Verizon loses almost all features when roaming on
    available CDMA carriers even when roaming digitally-- which I consider
    somewhat pathetic given that AT&T had seemless roaming here years ago even
    with TDMA, and that has only improved with GSM (adds data roaming).

    Our available CDMA partners are Ramcell, Sprint and US Cellular, none of
    which enable your features when roaming. I mean even things like voice mail
    waiting indicators do not work -- which seems like something very basic.

    -Dan

    --

    =======================
    Oregon and the Pacific Northwest
    http://cell.uoregon.edu

    --

    "GeorgeB" <nospam@att.net> wrote in message
    news:joad41lugrq64oca2ic3fvts1ta8roejgi@4ax.com...
    > On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:48:55 -0800, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>Dan Albrich wrote:
    >>
    >>> CDMA carriers tend to offer a number of services that *only* work when
    >>> on
    >>> the native system.
    >>> For this reason, it's not clear cut to choose Sprint. For example, when
    >>> you
    >>> roam with Sprint
    >>> you will not be able to do data, and in some cases this means SMS text
    >>> messaging and even
    >>> simple features like voicemail waiting indication or caller ID are not
    >>> available.

    >>
    >>Same with Verizon.

    >
    > Alltel (my provider) on Verizon maintains full, AFAIK, features. I
    > strongly suspect that Verizon on Alltel does also. Several associates
    > with Verizon have no problem in Alltel areas. I'm speaking here of
    > the NC/SC/VA/TN areas.
    >
    > George
     
  14. IMHO IIRC

    IMHO IIRC Guest

    In news:Y7adnVjUUf1yBtrfRVn-ow@comcast.com,
    Dan Albrich <dalbrich@uoregon.edui> typed:
    > Yes, a few years ago Alltel and Verizon did a press release
    > indicating their efforts to have features be transparent including
    > circuit switched data. It's unclear to me if 1X data would work, but
    > my understanding is that circuit switched will.
    >
    > Here in Oregon, there's no Alltel, and not going to be one soon (our
    > Cellular One is not related to Western Wireless).
    >
    > Anyway, here in Oregon, Verizon loses almost all features when
    > roaming on available CDMA carriers even when roaming digitally--
    > which I consider somewhat pathetic given that AT&T had seemless
    > roaming here years ago even with TDMA, and that has only improved
    > with GSM (adds data roaming).
    > Our available CDMA partners are Ramcell, Sprint and US Cellular, none
    > of which enable your features when roaming. I mean even things like
    > voice mail waiting indicators do not work -- which seems like
    > something very basic.
    > -Dan
    >
    > --
    >
    > =======================
    > Oregon and the Pacific Northwest
    > http://cell.uoregon.edu
    >
    >

    Here in Kansas, VZW is mostly Extended Network on Alltel, and the only thing
    that did not work the last time I tried was 1X data (#777,
    1113335555@vzw3g.com, vzw), but circuit switched (#777, qnc, qnc) worked
    just like when in a native VZW area.
     
  15. GeorgeB

    GeorgeB Guest

    On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 21:53:56 -0800, "Dan Albrich"
    <dalbrich@uoregon.edui> wrote:

    >Here in Oregon, there's no Alltel, and not going to be one soon (our
    >Cellular One is not related to Western Wireless).
    >
    >Anyway, here in Oregon, Verizon loses almost all features when roaming on
    >available CDMA carriers even when roaming digitally-- which I consider
    >somewhat pathetic given that AT&T had seemless roaming here years ago even
    >with TDMA, and that has only improved with GSM (adds data roaming).
    >
    >Our available CDMA partners are Ramcell, Sprint and US Cellular, none of
    >which enable your features when roaming. I mean even things like voice mail
    >waiting indicators do not work -- which seems like something very basic.


    My wife and I went to Ashland and Medford last summer; my Alltel phone
    showed that if I hadn't had the Total Freedom plan, I would have been
    roaming. Current maps look like the I-5 corridor is covered in the
    National Freedom.

    I BELIEVE that I had voice mail notification, but am not sure.
     
  16. One possibility is that verizon is not paying them for those features.
    Another is at least Sprint PCS and maybe the others as well are
    running java instead of brew.
     
  17. agentHibby

    agentHibby New Member

    Messages:
    206
    Likes Received:
    15
    Trophy Points:
    0
    You will get more free roaming coverage with Sprint. The only problem is if you use more 50% of your of total minutes off network, Sprint will shut your phone off. Happened to a friend who did customer service for SPCS.
    Verizon that is not the case use as many extened network minutes you need. There are times when I am in Iowa and 80% of my minutes is on there former network and as long as you pay you bill your fine.
     
    Last edited: Mar 28, 2005
  18. agentHibby

    agentHibby New Member

    Messages:
    206
    Likes Received:
    15
    Trophy Points:
    0
    AT&T Digital one rate is gone and National Single-Rate with Verizon for new plans. People still on them are grandfathered in and get to stay on them until they change plans or providers.
    I would not call National Access as SingleRate since it is a data only plan. It costs ¢25 to do a voice call and ¢69 if you do 1XRTT on a non roaming partner.
    Since Verizon has a network or a roaming partner in almost every market of the US they decided to get rid of National Single Rate to save money on higher roaming fees.
     
  19. Quick

    Quick Guest

    agentHibby wrote:
    > You will get more free roaming coverage with Sprint. The
    > only problem is if you go over 50% of your anytime
    > minutes you used they shut your phone off. Happened to a
    > friend who did customer service for SPCS.


    That's bizarre. Why do they do that instead of charging
    for overage?

    -Quick
     
  20. agentHibby

    agentHibby New Member

    Messages:
    206
    Likes Received:
    15
    Trophy Points:
    0
    The reason is, Verizon has such a large network and sometimes gets much better roaming agreements than Sprint with other providers. Verizon has a dirt cheap 10 year roaming agreement with Alltel. Sprints only big atavantage is they have the best CDMA network in Oklahoma City, that might change when Alltel gets CDMA in Ok City.

    They could charge overage like ¢69 a minute over your 50%, but Sprint is in a mood of little or no overage charges.

    One thing I like with Sprint PCS is if want your bill to go only so high they can shut the phone off once it reaches the limit. I still think they do that.

    Good for someone that can't manage minutes well.
     
    Last edited: Mar 28, 2005

Welcome to VerizonForums!

Unfortunately you can't reply until you log in or sign up.


Forgot your password?