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Advice, Please... coming to end of 2-yr plan, re-up?

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Nat, Apr 27, 2004.

  1. Nat

    Nat Guest

    After reading the well informed people who hang out here, it occurs to me
    you're a lot better informed than I. I've been a Verizon customer for, I
    guess, about 10 years or so? Anyway, I've never really done the math. Is it
    really better to do the 2-yr deal and lock yourself in or face a $175 hit?
    Or, is it better to pay more, get a 1-yr deal and have the opportunity to
    stay current? I ask, because I have an old LG510? phone and I understand
    the newer phones "get out" better in poor/weak areas?? I know every
    situation is different, but do some of you have some "general" thoughts
    about 1yr vs. 2yr? It seems that with the rapid changes in phones, 2-yrs
    might be a long time to wait.

    Thanks, Nathaniel
     



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  2. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    "Nat" <nat@alias.org> wrote in
    news:Mvmjc.11164$eZ5.8220@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:

    > After reading the well informed people who hang out here, it occurs
    > to me
    > you're a lot better informed than I. I've been a Verizon customer for,
    > I guess, about 10 years or so? Anyway, I've never really done the
    > math. Is it really better to do the 2-yr deal and lock yourself in or
    > face a $175 hit? Or, is it better to pay more, get a 1-yr deal and
    > have the opportunity to stay current? I ask, because I have an old
    > LG510? phone and I understand the newer phones "get out" better in
    > poor/weak areas?? I know every situation is different, but do some of
    > you have some "general" thoughts about 1yr vs. 2yr? It seems that with
    > the rapid changes in phones, 2-yrs might be a long time to wait.
    >
    > Thanks, Nathaniel
    >


    If you are happy with your current plan setup, Nat, I wouldn't sign
    anything or take the carrot phone dangling from that stick. The reason the
    company dangles the stick is so it can make changes to its system, usually
    to boost profits, not improve customer service and give you something for
    free. The newer the phone, two things have happened.....

    We started out with phones transmitting 3 watts of RF power from
    substantial antennas. These transmitters covered way too much area,
    soaking up the channels across larger areas, which worked great but limited
    the number of billable minutes per square mile per channel. The solution
    was simple....put up more, smaller towers and reduce the range of the
    phones from a 10 mile circle to a 3 mile circle. The AMPS flipphone was
    the result. It's transmitter only put out 6/10th of a watt (600 mw) and
    they reduced the substantial "rubber duck" 1/4 wave antenna with a real
    elevated ground sleeve to a 1/4 wave stub right up next to the customer's
    RF-absorbing head, which gave us the poor service on the AMPS system
    designed for 3 watt phones with real antennas. The public was pissed.
    Their service went from good to sucks, for the "convenience" of the pocket
    phone.

    About this time CDMA, TDMA, and a host of other INCOMPATIBLE digitizing
    schemes came along that needed to be sold to the customers. Cellular took
    this opportunity to increase their billable minutes per square mile per
    channel to new heights by installing lots of little cells, and reducing
    power even further to 2/10th of a watt (200 mw). Of course, logic would
    tell you the range of the 200 mw phone was no where near the 600 mw phones.
    Physics, no matter what the marketing department says, still controls radio
    propagation. The modulation schemes allowed the companies to share the
    channel amoungst many users. This number expanded as the modulation
    schemes came out with new revisions and bug fixes...just like your
    computer. One of the problems these modulation schemes encountered was
    receiver recovery in the microseconds between the phone a block from the
    tower to a phone out on the fringe screaming its head off at "full power",
    200 mw. The strong station blocked the receiver's listening ability after
    it went off the air after its packet, and the receiver missed a piece of
    the data packet of the weak one. The solution to this problem was power
    control. Your 200 mw phone in short range of the towers on a concentrated
    system rarely runs 200 mw. When the CDMA system becomes confused with the
    data, you hear the echo everyone has heard, or it sounds like your party is
    underwater with missing data or the phone simply cuts off to prevent
    pissing you off with lousier-than-normal sound. You frantically move
    around looking for a "hot spot" where the data stream opens the phone,
    again. (AMPS customers hunt easier to get the hissing of the FM receiver
    to quiet.)

    Cellular has no economic reason to make your NEW-every-two phone have more
    power and range. No, it's to their advantage to REDUCE the power and range
    of your phone even further, once again to increase the revenue they can
    squeeze out of every square mile of urban area. Many new phones have "new
    features", like 150 milliwatt transmitters and non-existant antennas built
    into the case, which that pesky physics says will reduce the field strength
    of the transmitters even further. None of it is about improving range you
    have to the towers, especially out of town where there will NEVER be a
    tower every 2 miles in all directions for the little toyphones to contact
    because those towers would NEVER produce the kinds of revenue streams that
    make them profitable.....

    If you're not interested in buying a toy with video games on it that makes
    toy sounds and has blinky lights....keep the old phone which IS a better
    TELEPHONE. If you want a new game boy buy a GAMEBOY to go with your old
    phone....(c;

    Sorry you can't have a big, honkin', powerful old AMPS bagphone like mine
    for that trip in the country......AMPS COUNTRY. The rest of it is just
    bullshit.

    Larry
     
  3. Dr.wireMORE

    Dr.wireMORE Guest

    The dr offers: If your going to be a long term cell phone user, take the
    most phone you can get for free, and renew. If you like your current
    phone/plan, then do nothing and enjoy what you have. It is currently a new
    every two, and maybe someday it will become a new every one, or new when
    ever you want to change? But not likely. No matter what phone you get,
    there will be something new and improved out shortly.

    The new every two is (supposed) only available to people with 2 yr contracts
    >$35.00 (although this will vary by market/agent, as we've seen the old lady

    with the 100 minute $15/month plan get a free phone and not change her plan.
    Yes it can be to everyone's advantage to put some into new technology) I
    would have to guess that if Larry really is using his bag-phone, that the
    tech's in the area would "pay him" to change to smaller/less powerful phone.

    PS: while Larry might be right about many things; a by-product of the
    smaller powered phone, and less powerful cell tower is more capacity for
    more people to use more phones in more areas simultaneously. There was no
    other solution to a growing capacity issue. (In my opinion)

    Dr.

    "Larry W4CSC" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
    news:Xns94D84EE69F249w4csc@216.168.3.44...
    > "Nat" <nat@alias.org> wrote in
    > news:Mvmjc.11164$eZ5.8220@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:

    <snip>
    > > Is it really better to do the 2-yr deal and lock yourself in or
    > > face a $175 hit? Or, is it better to pay more, get a 1-yr deal and
    > > have the opportunity to stay current? I ask, because I have an old
    > > LG510? phone and I understand the newer phones "get out" better in
    > > poor/weak areas?? I know every situation is different, but do some of
    > > you have some "general" thoughts about 1yr vs. 2yr? It seems that with
    > > the rapid changes in phones, 2-yrs might be a long time to wait.
    > >
    > > Thanks, Nathaniel
    > >

    >
    > If you are happy with your current plan setup, Nat, I wouldn't sign
    > anything or take the carrot phone dangling from that stick. The reason

    the
    > company dangles the stick is so it can make changes to its system, usually
    > to boost profits, not improve customer service and give you something for
    > free.

    <snip>
    > Larry
     
  4. Richard Ness

    Richard Ness Guest

    <20% fact, >80%, well let's just say... not...

    1st, you neglect to say that if we all were STILL using AMPS phones
    with the vast number of subscribers that now are on the systems, you
    would be blocked much of the time. AMPS would NO WAY, NO HOW accommodate
    the sheer number of users that now have cell phones. So, your continual argument
    that the advent of digital was driven by some conspiracy of greed, is total and complete
    BS. Digital is and was the ONLY way to accommodate today's number of users. AMPS
    is an old antiquated and OBSOLETE technology, it couldn't handle the increased traffic.

    Also, the market demanded portability. It wasn't forced on the public like you infer.
    The FCC mandated .6w. This was by regulation, not by some plot cooked up by
    cell phone companies to cram more users onto the systems. More total BS....

    Power control is integral to how CDMA operates and was part of the standard
    from the very beginning. BTW, you do know that AMPS has/had power control, right?

    I don't have time to counter your errors point by point. Nat and other newbies, please
    be wise and take this type of 'expert' advice with a VERY large grain of salt. It ain't
    anywhere near correct.



    "Larry W4CSC" <noone@home.com> wrote in message news:Xns94D84EE69F249w4csc@216.168.3.44...
    > "Nat" <nat@alias.org> wrote in
    > news:Mvmjc.11164$eZ5.8220@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
    >
    > > After reading the well informed people who hang out here, it occurs
    > > to me
    > > you're a lot better informed than I. I've been a Verizon customer for,
    > > I guess, about 10 years or so? Anyway, I've never really done the
    > > math. Is it really better to do the 2-yr deal and lock yourself in or
    > > face a $175 hit? Or, is it better to pay more, get a 1-yr deal and
    > > have the opportunity to stay current? I ask, because I have an old
    > > LG510? phone and I understand the newer phones "get out" better in
    > > poor/weak areas?? I know every situation is different, but do some of
    > > you have some "general" thoughts about 1yr vs. 2yr? It seems that with
    > > the rapid changes in phones, 2-yrs might be a long time to wait.
    > >
    > > Thanks, Nathaniel
    > >

    >
    > If you are happy with your current plan setup, Nat, I wouldn't sign
    > anything or take the carrot phone dangling from that stick. The reason the
    > company dangles the stick is so it can make changes to its system, usually
    > to boost profits, not improve customer service and give you something for
    > free. The newer the phone, two things have happened.....
    >
    > We started out with phones transmitting 3 watts of RF power from
    > substantial antennas. These transmitters covered way too much area,
    > soaking up the channels across larger areas, which worked great but limited
    > the number of billable minutes per square mile per channel. The solution
    > was simple....put up more, smaller towers and reduce the range of the
    > phones from a 10 mile circle to a 3 mile circle. The AMPS flipphone was
    > the result. It's transmitter only put out 6/10th of a watt (600 mw) and
    > they reduced the substantial "rubber duck" 1/4 wave antenna with a real
    > elevated ground sleeve to a 1/4 wave stub right up next to the customer's
    > RF-absorbing head, which gave us the poor service on the AMPS system
    > designed for 3 watt phones with real antennas. The public was pissed.
    > Their service went from good to sucks, for the "convenience" of the pocket
    > phone.
    >
    > About this time CDMA, TDMA, and a host of other INCOMPATIBLE digitizing
    > schemes came along that needed to be sold to the customers. Cellular took
    > this opportunity to increase their billable minutes per square mile per
    > channel to new heights by installing lots of little cells, and reducing
    > power even further to 2/10th of a watt (200 mw). Of course, logic would
    > tell you the range of the 200 mw phone was no where near the 600 mw phones.
    > Physics, no matter what the marketing department says, still controls radio
    > propagation. The modulation schemes allowed the companies to share the
    > channel amoungst many users. This number expanded as the modulation
    > schemes came out with new revisions and bug fixes...just like your
    > computer. One of the problems these modulation schemes encountered was
    > receiver recovery in the microseconds between the phone a block from the
    > tower to a phone out on the fringe screaming its head off at "full power",
    > 200 mw. The strong station blocked the receiver's listening ability after
    > it went off the air after its packet, and the receiver missed a piece of
    > the data packet of the weak one. The solution to this problem was power
    > control. Your 200 mw phone in short range of the towers on a concentrated
    > system rarely runs 200 mw. When the CDMA system becomes confused with the
    > data, you hear the echo everyone has heard, or it sounds like your party is
    > underwater with missing data or the phone simply cuts off to prevent
    > pissing you off with lousier-than-normal sound. You frantically move
    > around looking for a "hot spot" where the data stream opens the phone,
    > again. (AMPS customers hunt easier to get the hissing of the FM receiver
    > to quiet.)
    >
    > Cellular has no economic reason to make your NEW-every-two phone have more
    > power and range. No, it's to their advantage to REDUCE the power and range
    > of your phone even further, once again to increase the revenue they can
    > squeeze out of every square mile of urban area. Many new phones have "new
    > features", like 150 milliwatt transmitters and non-existant antennas built
    > into the case, which that pesky physics says will reduce the field strength
    > of the transmitters even further. None of it is about improving range you
    > have to the towers, especially out of town where there will NEVER be a
    > tower every 2 miles in all directions for the little toyphones to contact
    > because those towers would NEVER produce the kinds of revenue streams that
    > make them profitable.....
    >
    > If you're not interested in buying a toy with video games on it that makes
    > toy sounds and has blinky lights....keep the old phone which IS a better
    > TELEPHONE. If you want a new game boy buy a GAMEBOY to go with your old
    > phone....(c;
    >
    > Sorry you can't have a big, honkin', powerful old AMPS bagphone like mine
    > for that trip in the country......AMPS COUNTRY. The rest of it is just
    > bullshit.
    >
    > Larry
     
  5. Richard Ness

    Richard Ness Guest

    <20% fact, >80%, well let's just say... not...

    1st, you neglect to say that if we all were STILL using AMPS phones
    with the vast number of subscribers that now are on the systems, you
    would be blocked much of the time. AMPS would NO WAY, NO HOW accommodate
    the sheer number of users that now have cell phones. So, your continual argument
    that the advent of digital was driven by some conspiracy of greed, is total and complete
    BS. Digital is and was the ONLY way to accommodate today's number of users. AMPS
    is an old antiquated and OBSOLETE technology, it couldn't handle the increased traffic.

    Also, the market demanded portability. It wasn't forced on the public like you infer.
    The FCC mandated .6w. This was by regulation, not by some plot cooked up by
    cell phone companies to cram more users onto the systems. More total BS....

    Power control is integral to how CDMA operates and was part of the standard
    from the very beginning. BTW, you do know that AMPS has/had power control, right?

    I don't have time to counter your errors point by point. Nat and other newbies, please
    be wise and take this type of 'expert' advice with a VERY large grain of salt. It ain't
    anywhere near correct.



    "Larry W4CSC" <noone@home.com> wrote in message news:Xns94D84EE69F249w4csc@216.168.3.44...
    > "Nat" <nat@alias.org> wrote in
    > news:Mvmjc.11164$eZ5.8220@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
    >
    > > After reading the well informed people who hang out here, it occurs
    > > to me
    > > you're a lot better informed than I. I've been a Verizon customer for,
    > > I guess, about 10 years or so? Anyway, I've never really done the
    > > math. Is it really better to do the 2-yr deal and lock yourself in or
    > > face a $175 hit? Or, is it better to pay more, get a 1-yr deal and
    > > have the opportunity to stay current? I ask, because I have an old
    > > LG510? phone and I understand the newer phones "get out" better in
    > > poor/weak areas?? I know every situation is different, but do some of
    > > you have some "general" thoughts about 1yr vs. 2yr? It seems that with
    > > the rapid changes in phones, 2-yrs might be a long time to wait.
    > >
    > > Thanks, Nathaniel
    > >

    >
    > If you are happy with your current plan setup, Nat, I wouldn't sign
    > anything or take the carrot phone dangling from that stick. The reason the
    > company dangles the stick is so it can make changes to its system, usually
    > to boost profits, not improve customer service and give you something for
    > free. The newer the phone, two things have happened.....
    >
    > We started out with phones transmitting 3 watts of RF power from
    > substantial antennas. These transmitters covered way too much area,
    > soaking up the channels across larger areas, which worked great but limited
    > the number of billable minutes per square mile per channel. The solution
    > was simple....put up more, smaller towers and reduce the range of the
    > phones from a 10 mile circle to a 3 mile circle. The AMPS flipphone was
    > the result. It's transmitter only put out 6/10th of a watt (600 mw) and
    > they reduced the substantial "rubber duck" 1/4 wave antenna with a real
    > elevated ground sleeve to a 1/4 wave stub right up next to the customer's
    > RF-absorbing head, which gave us the poor service on the AMPS system
    > designed for 3 watt phones with real antennas. The public was pissed.
    > Their service went from good to sucks, for the "convenience" of the pocket
    > phone.
    >
    > About this time CDMA, TDMA, and a host of other INCOMPATIBLE digitizing
    > schemes came along that needed to be sold to the customers. Cellular took
    > this opportunity to increase their billable minutes per square mile per
    > channel to new heights by installing lots of little cells, and reducing
    > power even further to 2/10th of a watt (200 mw). Of course, logic would
    > tell you the range of the 200 mw phone was no where near the 600 mw phones.
    > Physics, no matter what the marketing department says, still controls radio
    > propagation. The modulation schemes allowed the companies to share the
    > channel amoungst many users. This number expanded as the modulation
    > schemes came out with new revisions and bug fixes...just like your
    > computer. One of the problems these modulation schemes encountered was
    > receiver recovery in the microseconds between the phone a block from the
    > tower to a phone out on the fringe screaming its head off at "full power",
    > 200 mw. The strong station blocked the receiver's listening ability after
    > it went off the air after its packet, and the receiver missed a piece of
    > the data packet of the weak one. The solution to this problem was power
    > control. Your 200 mw phone in short range of the towers on a concentrated
    > system rarely runs 200 mw. When the CDMA system becomes confused with the
    > data, you hear the echo everyone has heard, or it sounds like your party is
    > underwater with missing data or the phone simply cuts off to prevent
    > pissing you off with lousier-than-normal sound. You frantically move
    > around looking for a "hot spot" where the data stream opens the phone,
    > again. (AMPS customers hunt easier to get the hissing of the FM receiver
    > to quiet.)
    >
    > Cellular has no economic reason to make your NEW-every-two phone have more
    > power and range. No, it's to their advantage to REDUCE the power and range
    > of your phone even further, once again to increase the revenue they can
    > squeeze out of every square mile of urban area. Many new phones have "new
    > features", like 150 milliwatt transmitters and non-existant antennas built
    > into the case, which that pesky physics says will reduce the field strength
    > of the transmitters even further. None of it is about improving range you
    > have to the towers, especially out of town where there will NEVER be a
    > tower every 2 miles in all directions for the little toyphones to contact
    > because those towers would NEVER produce the kinds of revenue streams that
    > make them profitable.....
    >
    > If you're not interested in buying a toy with video games on it that makes
    > toy sounds and has blinky lights....keep the old phone which IS a better
    > TELEPHONE. If you want a new game boy buy a GAMEBOY to go with your old
    > phone....(c;
    >
    > Sorry you can't have a big, honkin', powerful old AMPS bagphone like mine
    > for that trip in the country......AMPS COUNTRY. The rest of it is just
    > bullshit.
    >
    > Larry
     
  6. plane

    plane Guest

    "Nat" <nat@alias.org> wrote in message news:<Mvmjc.11164$eZ5.8220@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
    > After reading the well informed people who hang out here, it occurs to me
    > you're a lot better informed than I. I've been a Verizon customer for, I
    > guess, about 10 years or so? Anyway, I've never really done the math. Is it
    > really better to do the 2-yr deal and lock yourself in or face a $175 hit?
    > Or, is it better to pay more, get a 1-yr deal and have the opportunity to
    > stay current? I ask, because I have an old LG510? phone and I understand
    > the newer phones "get out" better in poor/weak areas?? I know every
    > situation is different, but do some of you have some "general" thoughts
    > about 1yr vs. 2yr? It seems that with the rapid changes in phones, 2-yrs
    > might be a long time to wait.
    >
    > Thanks, Nathaniel


    if not better informed, at least more opinionated:

    but reading over these posts, and with my own recent less than happy
    experiences with vzm c/s, I am very reluctant to sign another contract
    with them--my experience, is that they were easier to deal with in the
    past, but as someone mentioned , they offer free this and that, but
    with a contract.A year or so ago, I could not imagine not using
    verizon--but due to some recent c/s folks who must have worked for
    either sprint or cingular--they may push me to another carrier--at
    present, even with their sub standard c/s, vsw still has the best
    network coverage, but they are become a bitch to deal with---to put in
    prespective, it only costs $175 to cancel, and over a peroid of a few
    months, the free extra will equal to this--so the old 6 of one and
    half a dozen of the other. I can see a contract when you re given a
    discount on a new phone, but this 1-2 year contract thing is a bit
    much. In reality, it's really difficult to make a straight forward
    deal--folks have to feel like they are getting a "deal", and for years
    the work *free* always sets off alarms in my mind. Like that *free
    sex* in marriage, the sex may be free, but its the regular maintance
    and cancellation charge that really hurts. other analogy's can be
    implied also.
     
  7. Nat

    Nat Guest

    Larry W4CSC wrote:
    ...snip...
    >
    > If you are happy with your current plan setup, Nat, I wouldn't sign
    > anything or take the carrot phone dangling from that stick. The

    ...snip..
    > Sorry you can't have a big, honkin', powerful old AMPS bagphone like
    > mine for that trip in the country......AMPS COUNTRY. The rest of it
    > is just bullshit.
    >
    > Larry


    Larry, wow, what an informative post. Thanks!

    Nat
     
  8. Nat

    Nat Guest

    Dr.wireMORE wrote:
    > The dr offers: If your going to be a long term cell phone user,
    > take the most phone you can get for free, and renew. If you like
    > your current phone/plan, then do nothing and enjoy what you have. It
    > is currently a new every two, and maybe someday it will become a new
    > every one, or new when ever you want to change? But not likely. No
    > matter what phone you get, there will be something new and improved
    > out shortly.

    ...snip..

    Dr., thanks, too, for your help and opinion. I appreciate it.

    Nat
     
  9. Nat

    Nat Guest

    plane wrote:
    > "Nat" <nat@alias.org> wrote in message
    > news:<Mvmjc.11164$eZ5.8220@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
    >> After reading the well informed people who hang out here, it occurs
    >> to me you're a lot better informed than I. I've been a Verizon
    >> customer for, I guess, about 10 years or so? Anyway, I've never
    >> really done the math. Is it really better to do the 2-yr deal and
    >> lock yourself in or face a $175 hit? Or, is it better to pay more,
    >> get a 1-yr deal and have the opportunity to stay current? I ask,
    >> because I have an old LG510? phone and I understand the newer
    >> phones "get out" better in poor/weak areas?? I know every situation
    >> is different, but do some of you have some "general" thoughts about
    >> 1yr vs. 2yr? It seems that with the rapid changes in phones, 2-yrs
    >> might be a long time to wait.
    >>
    >> Thanks, Nathaniel

    >
    > if not better informed, at least more opinionated:
    >
    > but reading over these posts, and with my own recent less than happy
    > experiences with vzm c/s, I am very reluctant to sign another contract
    > with them--my experience, is that they were easier to deal with in the
    > past, but as someone mentioned , they offer free this and that, but
    > with a contract.A year or so ago, I could not imagine not using
    > verizon--but due to some recent c/s folks who must have worked for
    > either sprint or cingular--they may push me to another carrier--at
    > present, even with their sub standard c/s, vsw still has the best
    > network coverage, but they are become a bitch to deal with---to put in
    > prespective, it only costs $175 to cancel, and over a peroid of a few
    > months, the free extra will equal to this--so the old 6 of one and
    > half a dozen of the other. I can see a contract when you re given a
    > discount on a new phone, but this 1-2 year contract thing is a bit
    > much. In reality, it's really difficult to make a straight forward
    > deal--folks have to feel like they are getting a "deal", and for years
    > the work *free* always sets off alarms in my mind. Like that *free
    > sex* in marriage, the sex may be free, but its the regular maintance
    > and cancellation charge that really hurts. other analogy's can be
    > implied also.


    Plane, thanks for the help and opinion. The more I think about it and the
    more I read opinions, the more I think I'll probably keep the phone I have
    and keep my options open. I agree that Verizon's c/s doesn't seem to be that
    "fresh, new" kind of service when they first started out. I don't recall
    exactly when I first started with Verizon, but it was at least 10+ years ago
    and I think they only offered about 3 different phones or so. Back them
    their headquarters for this area was in the Irvine area and they shipped
    right from there. You actually felt like you were dealing direct with
    someone on a personal basis. I recall the sales rep sending me her card and
    a note saying something like, "Call if you have any questions or concerns."
    Now, other than some retail locations, you may well be directed to some
    third party group in Bangor Maine or India or Ireland or the moon for all I
    know. But most importantly, they just don't seem to care like they used to.
    I remember calling, leaving a question, someone saying they would get back
    to me and never hearing anything. Or, leaving a message via their website
    for the president and hearing nothing.

    Oh, well, didn't mean to vent, but I agree with the service issue. Maybe it
    will just be worth it to keep my old phone, with the batterey that still
    hasn't given up its capacity to recharge... and to feel I can drop the like
    a hot potato whenever I wish to.

    Thanks, Nat
     
  10. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    plane@usa.com (plane) wrote in
    news:68a9acb2.0404271829.2655410f@posting.google.com:

    > the work *free* always sets off alarms in my mind. Like that *free
    > sex* in marriage, the sex may be free, but its the regular maintance
    > and cancellation charge that really hurts. other analogy's can be
    > implied also.


    Hmm...interesting analogy. I always viewed marriage as prepaid
    prostitution, which like any prepaid service once they got your money they
    lost interest in delivering the product...(c;

    One food is devastating to a woman's sexual libido.....wedding cake.

    Larry W4CSC
    17 years in the "Three Times A Year Club", single again since 1992 and back
    on the market...(c;
     
  11. I've been a Verizon customer for 3 years, and I started with the LG
    TM510 phone. I chose the 2-year deal because I learned Verizon had
    (and still has) the best cell phone coverage in my area. I was so
    happy with my phone at the end of the two year deal that I would have
    replaced the worn down battery and continued to use it. However, I
    didn't want the $100 discount at the end of the program to go to
    waste, so I went for the latest and greatest LG VX6000 with the camera
    and other fancy stuff. With the discount, additional rebates, sale
    prices at the time, and another 2-yr contract it only cost $50 for the
    new phone. It was a great phone too and I had no inconveniences with
    coverage just like with my trusty old LG TM510. The only problem I had
    was that my workplace restricted camera phones, so just the other day
    I switched to a Motorola v60s to avoid the hassle. It reminds me of my
    TM510, but a bit longer with a speakerphone. I aquired the LG VX6000
    nine months ago as part of the New-Every-Two program, but online I was
    able to "upgrade" to the Motorola v60s at the regional $29 sale price.
    I was only given a partial selection of phones for an upgrade, and
    there was no $100 discount, but I think it shows that although you are
    "locked in" with a $175 termination fee on the subscription, you're
    not locked in to your current phone on a 2-yr plan if you desire an
    update.

    If you're happy with Verizon's service coverage, I would go ahead and
    do a 2-year renewal if it results in any savings/discounts. If you're
    happy with your LG TM510, I would update the battery if necessary
    continue to use it because none of the newer phones are as small. To
    not let the $100 discount at the end of two years go to waste, you
    could upgrade anyway to add/update a family member's phone (My VX6000
    will replace my wife's Kyocera 2135). Or, I would recommend the
    Motorola v60s if you don't mind if the phone is a little bigger.
    Depending on where you live, it might not cost you anything more aside
    from sales tax and additional accesories like a car charger.

    Hope this helps!
    Ray

    "Nat" <nat@alias.org> wrote in message news:<Mvmjc.11164$eZ5.8220@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
    > Is it
    > really better to do the 2-yr deal and lock yourself in or face a $175 hit?
    > Or, is it better to pay more, get a 1-yr deal and have the opportunity to
    > stay current? I ask, because I have an old LG510? phone and I understand
    > the newer phones "get out" better in poor/weak areas?? I know every
    > situation is different, but do some of you have some "general" thoughts
    > about 1yr vs. 2yr? It seems that with the rapid changes in phones, 2-yrs
    > might be a long time to wait.
     
  12. Roger Binns

    Roger Binns Guest

    > However, I
    > didn't want the $100 discount at the end of the program to go to
    > waste, so I went for the latest and greatest LG VX6000 with the camera
    > and other fancy stuff. With the discount, additional rebates, sale
    > prices at the time, and another 2-yr contract it only cost $50 for the
    > new phone.


    Don't forget you can do an ESN swap back to your old phone and put
    the new one on eBay. It is kind of free money if you were going to
    be on Verizon for the next two years anyway. (New VX6000's go for
    $250-300 on eBay. That covers the ETF and your $50 cost should you
    later change your mind).

    Roger
     
  13. Me

    Me Guest

    I just went through this- same situation, with 2 lg-510's, two year
    contract ending. I left the money on the table...I don't want to get
    stuck for another two years with any phone. It just depends on how
    you value having a new phone vs the $100...
     
  14. Quick

    Quick Guest

    "Me" <jkfdlasoeur@excite.com> wrote
    > I just went through this- same situation, with 2 lg-510's, two year
    > contract ending. I left the money on the table...I don't want to get
    > stuck for another two years with any phone. It just depends on how
    > you value having a new phone vs the $100...


    Agreed (and IMHO the 510 is a solid phone).

    I don't think you *left* the money on the table though. I believe
    it's still there and will remain there until (if) you decide to upgrade
    your equipment at some time (and want to commit to another
    2 yr. contract).

    -Quick
     
  15. Peter Pan

    Peter Pan Guest

    "Quick" <dhorwitz@NOSPAMcisco.com> wrote in message
    news:1083187510.569315@sj-nntpcache-5
    > "Me" <jkfdlasoeur@excite.com> wrote
    >> I just went through this- same situation, with 2 lg-510's, two year
    >> contract ending. I left the money on the table...I don't want to get
    >> stuck for another two years with any phone. It just depends on how
    >> you value having a new phone vs the $100...

    >
    > Agreed (and IMHO the 510 is a solid phone).
    >
    > I don't think you *left* the money on the table though. I believe
    > it's still there and will remain there until (if) you decide to
    > upgrade your equipment at some time (and want to commit to another
    > 2 yr. contract).
    >
    > -Quick


    I wish that was true in mine and a friends case (and several thousand
    others). Some sleazeball went thru the accounts, found who was eligible for
    new phones, got them himself and sold em. Our records show a phone upgrade
    occurred, even though it never happened for us. Verizon claims they will fix
    it, but to date (almost a year later), they have done absolutely NOTHING. As
    a matter of fact, our accounts all show our new every two (that should have
    been up last year), is now June/July of 2005!
    If I had it to do over again, I'd take a new phone, put it in a drawer as a
    backup, and keep the old one!
    Be careful about leaving your money on the table, one of the minimum wage
    people at a store may steal it!
     
  16. I recently got a LG VX4400B on a Every 2. It didn't cost me anytihing and
    my TM510 cables still worked. I did buy a new USB cable. I got the 4400
    because it's tri-mode and I wanted the 1x for internet when I'm traveling.
    I'll use the 4400 about 4 weeks a year, otherwise I'm still using the
    510. If the 510 breaks, I have a ready spare.

    Pat

    In <qbj5m1-ojq.ln1@home.rogerbinns.com>, on 04/28/04
    at 02:13 PM, "Roger Binns" <rogerb@rogerbinns.com> said:

    >> However, I
    >> didn't want the $100 discount at the end of the program to go to
    >> waste, so I went for the latest and greatest LG VX6000 with the camera
    >> and other fancy stuff. With the discount, additional rebates, sale
    >> prices at the time, and another 2-yr contract it only cost $50 for the
    >> new phone.


    >Don't forget you can do an ESN swap back to your old phone and put the
    >new one on eBay. It is kind of free money if you were going to be on
    >Verizon for the next two years anyway. (New VX6000's go for $250-300 on
    >eBay. That covers the ETF and your $50 cost should you later change your
    >mind).


    >Roger
     

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