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Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Student, Dec 17, 2003.

  1. David S

    David S Guest

    On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 14:31:38 GMT, Justin <nospam@insightbb.com> chose to
    add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

    >David S wrote on [Mon, 22 Dec 2003 05:50:44 GMT]:
    >> On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 14:46:31 GMT, noone@home.com (Larry W4CSC) chose to add
    >> this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >>
    >>> And, by the way, there are TWO spaces after the
    >>>period at the end of typed sentences. Check it out....(c;

    >>
    >> Yeah, I learned that in school, too, but I only bother if I'm writing
    >> something formal. (And I know I don't need to bother if I'm writing a web

    >
    >The two spaces after a full stop/period is no longer the norm, or the
    >style and is a throwback to typewriters and non proportional fonts.


    Fine with me.

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    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
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  2. Student

    Student Guest

    noone@
    >
    > Any time you write something, whether it be a simple letter to a
    > friend or something more important, maybe a letter of application to
    > an important employer, you expose your education and your knowledge of
    > the language to that person. We all do it every day, right here on
    > Usenet as we post our thoughts and try to get our points across to
    > those reading it in this public forum. This exposure either makes you
    > look like someone who is well versed in the language, well educated
    > and cares to express himself in a careful manner.....or.....shows
    > himself to be an uneducated dunce, a total zero, if you know what I
    > mean.
    >
    > I'm sorry I snapped at your post full of blatant errors, but you are
    > headed for college, not welding school where these errors will mean
    > little. (I used to teach electronics at a trade school to boys the
    > education system just simply forgot, which makes me furious every time
    > I remember what they went through.) At college, you're going to be
    > judged every time you put pen to paper (or fingers to keyboard, today,
    > I suppose). If you think I hit you pretty hard, just wait until you
    > see how acid a full professor with tenure to protect him can be! He's
    > going to bash your head in, figuratively speaking.
    >
    > It had nothing to do with the question you asked about cellular. It
    > had everything to do with grammar, punctuation and sentence structure
    > you're going to need to survive and prosper for the rest of your life.
    > Again, my apologies. And, by the way, there are TWO spaces after the
    > period at the end of typed sentences. Check it out....(c;
    >
    > If I find your English teacher, I'd probably beat him or her half to
    > death. They failed you miserably.....
    >
    > Larry W4CSC
    >

    Hey listen I am really sorry. I wrote and 'edited' my post in the
    early hours of the morning. I just read my post over again and I saw
    all the errors. I don't know why I never used my question marks. I saw
    that there were many other. I feel dumb since I posted asking for some
    slack. Oh yeah, the two spaces after the period is an old/personal
    rule. I have only met two people that mentioned the two space 'rule'.
  3. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 06:27:48 GMT, David S <dwstreeter@att.net> wrote:

    >On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 13:55:01 GMT, noone@home.com (Larry W4CSC) chose to add
    >this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    >> School must be
    >>more than a neat row of chairs, a blackboard and that damned grade
    >>book with a teacher whos aim is to get test scores high by teaching
    >>the test. The test must NOT be the goal.

    >
    >PLEASE tell that to the politicians who wrote the Elementary and Secondary
    >Education Act, a.k.a. No Child Left Behind. It only tests reading and math,
    >leaving out civics, history, geography, etc. altogether, and forces schools
    >to teach to the test rather than anything actually useful.


    Exactly! Pass the test. Education has nothing to do with it.
    Everything in school is a damned basketball game. Get the highest
    score so my teacher union will get me more money.....
    >
    >The best high school in New Jersey, one of the best in the nation, a school
    >with an average SAT score of nearly 1,200, was placed on the "In Need of
    >Improvement" list because 3 special needs students, whom the law requires
    >to be tested the same as all other students, didn't show up to take the
    >test.
    >


    We've got to get America out of the Liberal Arts Prep School business.
    Of course, this requires us to hire INSTRUCTORS to teach USEFUL
    subjects.

    At Sumter Area TEC, now called Central Carolina College to make
    everyone think they're some kind of university, the highest paid
    graduate student EVER is a WELDER. He was an apprentice welder, after
    graduating from Sparky Spires' (old Navy welder, a master welder)
    welding school, with a major nuclear power plant contractor. The
    master welder got in some kind of awful accident and was going to put
    the job way behind schedule building the core of the reactor, the
    tubes the uranium pellets run in welded to plates to hold them apart,
    the most critical weld in the plant.

    "I can weld that.", the kid tells his supervisor, who is in panic.
    They let him try on some scraps and he draws perfect beads that easily
    pass inspection. Immediately they send him to the certification
    school. He passes with flying colors and the job is saved, giving the
    kid a job-for-life.

    I met him when he rolled up in his custom pickup to take the
    Industrial Trades instructors out to dinner to thank us for what we
    did for (to?) him. Oh, the educrats were horrified! The pet college
    programs like Environmental Science, Civil Engineering were supposed
    to produce the professional graduates, NOT WELDING! How awful....(c;

    Every middle school kid knows what he wants to be when he grows up.
    Let's stop trying to make him into a Liberal Arts airhead and SEND HIM
    TO THE FINEST SCHOOL TO MAKE HIS GOAL, NOT SOME EDUCRAT'S, HAPPEN.


    Larry W4CSC

    NNNN
  4. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    On 22 Dec 2003 22:39:07 -0800, phonesrcomplicated@hotmail.com
    (Student) wrote:

    >slack. Oh yeah, the two spaces after the period is an old/personal
    >rule. I have only met two people that mentioned the two space 'rule'.


    Ok, sorry..... I put two spaces because if I didn't, back in 6th
    grade, Mrs. Hubert would have beat my knuckles with that damned half
    meter ruler she used to use to "get compliance". My right thumb
    vibrates at the end of each sentence to save my knuckles...(c;

    She was the Saddam Hussein of middle school teachers. But, I don't
    remember any hangings, just a few beatings. We kids were always
    convinced she was a guard in a Nazi concentration camp.


    Larry W4CSC

    NNNN
  5. Justin

    Justin Guest

    Larry W4CSC wrote on [Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:44:21 GMT]:
    >
    > Every middle school kid knows what he wants to be when he grows up.


    Bullshit.
  6. David S

    David S Guest

    On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:44:21 GMT, noone@home.com (Larry W4CSC) chose to add
    this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

    >On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 06:27:48 GMT, David S <dwstreeter@att.net> wrote:
    >
    >>On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 13:55:01 GMT, noone@home.com (Larry W4CSC) chose to add
    >>this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >>
    >>> School must be
    >>>more than a neat row of chairs, a blackboard and that damned grade
    >>>book with a teacher whos aim is to get test scores high by teaching
    >>>the test. The test must NOT be the goal.

    >>
    >>PLEASE tell that to the politicians who wrote the Elementary and Secondary
    >>Education Act, a.k.a. No Child Left Behind. It only tests reading and math,
    >>leaving out civics, history, geography, etc. altogether, and forces schools
    >>to teach to the test rather than anything actually useful.

    >
    >Exactly! Pass the test. Education has nothing to do with it.
    >Everything in school is a damned basketball game. Get the highest
    >score so my teacher union will get me more money.....


    Uh, excuse me? The politicians who wrote this law HATE the teachers' union,
    and the union itself, while applauding the stated intent of the law, has
    never endorsed the law itself because it's such a piece of crap.

    >>The best high school in New Jersey, one of the best in the nation, a school
    >>with an average SAT score of nearly 1,200, was placed on the "In Need of
    >>Improvement" list because 3 special needs students, whom the law requires
    >>to be tested the same as all other students, didn't show up to take the
    >>test.


    I just found out the school I work for is also on the watch list. Y'see,
    the law requires that the student population as a whole AND each of its
    subgroups (the various minorities, those just learning English, special
    education, etc.) all have at least 95% take the test, all on the same day.
    The problem is that many special ed kids spend a lot of their time at other
    facilities, so it's very hard to get 95% of them at the base school on any
    given day. So if 100 kids out of 3,000 are special ed, and only 94 of those
    100 take the test (never mind whether they pass it), the entire world-class
    school goes on the watch list.

    >We've got to get America out of the Liberal Arts Prep School business.
    >Of course, this requires us to hire INSTRUCTORS to teach USEFUL
    >subjects.
    >
    >At Sumter Area TEC, now called Central Carolina College to make
    >everyone think they're some kind of university, the highest paid
    >graduate student EVER is a WELDER. He was an apprentice welder, after
    >graduating from Sparky Spires' (old Navy welder, a master welder)
    >welding school, with a major nuclear power plant contractor. The
    >master welder got in some kind of awful accident and was going to put
    >the job way behind schedule building the core of the reactor, the
    >tubes the uranium pellets run in welded to plates to hold them apart,
    >the most critical weld in the plant.
    >
    >"I can weld that.", the kid tells his supervisor, who is in panic.
    >They let him try on some scraps and he draws perfect beads that easily
    >pass inspection. Immediately they send him to the certification
    >school. He passes with flying colors and the job is saved, giving the
    >kid a job-for-life.
    >
    >I met him when he rolled up in his custom pickup to take the
    >Industrial Trades instructors out to dinner to thank us for what we
    >did for (to?) him. Oh, the educrats were horrified! The pet college
    >programs like Environmental Science, Civil Engineering were supposed
    >to produce the professional graduates, NOT WELDING! How awful....(c;
    >
    >Every middle school kid knows what he wants to be when he grows up.
    >Let's stop trying to make him into a Liberal Arts airhead and SEND HIM
    >TO THE FINEST SCHOOL TO MAKE HIS GOAL, NOT SOME EDUCRAT'S, HAPPEN.


    And some of them want to get into the arts. And while I'm sure the welder
    makes a good living and is happy doing it, some people just don't have the
    skill for a blue-collar job and need to go to college to become paper
    pushers instead, and of course a lot of kids want to be RICH, and that
    requires more than 4 years of college.

    One of our teachers has a cartoon in his room that shows a line of college
    graduates walking off the stage with a diploma and a burger flipper.

    -
    David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    "It's wonderful to be here in the great state of Chicago." - Dan Quayle
  7. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 07:43:11 GMT, David S <dwstreeter@att.net> wrote:

    >
    >And some of them want to get into the arts. And while I'm sure the welder
    >makes a good living and is happy doing it, some people just don't have the
    >skill for a blue-collar job and need to go to college to become paper
    >pushers instead, and of course a lot of kids want to be RICH, and that
    >requires more than 4 years of college.


    But, why are we preparing ALL of them to become paper pushers?

    Where can the kid learn to become a plumber? a mechanic? an
    electrician? All the educrats come from COLLEGE so everyone must want
    to go to COLLEGE. They even changed the trade school I worked at to
    COLLEGE. How awful. We started going downhill when they ran the
    Industrial Trades department out of the main building across the
    parking lot to hide it.
    >
    >One of our teachers has a cartoon in his room that shows a line of college
    >graduates walking off the stage with a diploma and a burger flipper.
    >

    Obviously someone knows reality. Unfortunately, he's in no position
    to do anything about it. The kids suffer the consequences.


    Larry W4CSC

    NNNN
  8. "Larry W4CSC" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
    news:3fe989ec.443597@news.knology.net...
    > On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 07:43:11 GMT, David S <dwstreeter@att.net> wrote:
    >
    > >
    > >And some of them want to get into the arts. And while I'm sure the welder
    > >makes a good living and is happy doing it, some people just don't have

    the
    > >skill for a blue-collar job and need to go to college to become paper
    > >pushers instead, and of course a lot of kids want to be RICH, and that
    > >requires more than 4 years of college.

    >
    > But, why are we preparing ALL of them to become paper pushers?


    Plus, paper pushers can be moved offshore since they are now electron
    pushers. The way to serious job security is to work in a field that requires
    you to be on the job site. Problem is, most people don't want to get dirty
    or do anything physical.


    --
    Thomas M. Goethe

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