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ATT vs. Verizon

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Brian Grigg, Jun 16, 2004.

  1. I just moved my wife over to Verizon, which I have had for several
    years. Trying to call during the 5 pm time was a real hit and miss.
    Manly miss. Never had that problem with Verizon yet.



    On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:05:29 -0400, "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com>
    wrote:

    >Thanks for the input. Boston, btw.
    >
    >"Dan Albrich" <junkmail@shaney.uoregon.edui> wrote in message
    >news:jo2dnalJ2_U4QE3dRVn2sQ@comcast.com...
    >> Hello Brian-
    >>
    >> It's actually really important to mention where you are so that we can
    >> better help you. As much as people argue relentlessly over which is

    >better,
    >> the basic issue is that each company has its merits.
    >>
    >> Coverage wise, I do not agree that Verizon is better-- it all depends on
    >> where you work, live and travel. For example, Verizon has zero native
    >> coverage just south of Eugene until you get quite a ways into California.
    >> Verizon can roam, but coverage and features aren't ideal. AT&T has more
    >> native coverage in southern Oregon, and their GSM system provides

    >completely
    >> seemless roaming options and good coverage from here all the way down I5.
    >>
    >> I'm just giving you one specific example from my area to show you that
    >> depending on which location you refer to, Verizon may not be the best
    >> choice.
    >>
    >> Some biased info/opinion:
    >>
    >> CUSTOMER SERVICE wise, Verizon wins hands down (in my opinion).
    >> COVERAGE wise- it all depends. Study the maps, GSM coverage (sum in total)
    >> is less than either CDMA/analog or TDMA/analog so you need to study
    >> available coverage maps to understand if GSM works for you. [The winner

    >is
    >> which works best for you]
    >> DATA- Free data can be had on Verizon, but no data when roaming. AT&T has
    >> good data service that works even when you roam (very appealing to me) but
    >> they charge something for it.
    >> ROAMING - GSM roaming is seemless. Verizon roaming means you can still

    >place
    >> and receive calls but you lose basic features -- even things like

    >voicemail
    >> indication don't generally work when roaming.
    >> PHONES - no contest, AT&T wins, and will probably always win. Verizon has
    >> never carried any "cool" phones and probably never will. If Verizon had
    >> something like the T616, I'd change my mind.
    >> Don't jump to Verizon thinking they'll eventually carry a phone you like.
    >> I've been with them now for years, and I've never been pleased with their
    >> phone selection, and feel convinced it will never improve.
    >> COST - AT&T is cheaper in my area than Verizon. One could argue you get
    >> what you pay for.
    >>
    >> -Dan
    >>
    >> --
    >> Eugene, Oregon -- Pacific Northwest
    >> http://cell.uoregon.edu
    >>
    >>
    >> "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com> wrote in message
    >> news:e8mdnbFtkMfVAk3dRVn-hg@comcast.com...
    >> > My plan with AT&T expired and I'm looking to renew but was wondering if

    >I
    >> > should switch to Verizon as I've heard they're coverage is much better.

    >> But
    >> > I'm not impressed with the phones they have available. I'm also

    >thinking
    >> of
    >> > getting a Smart or PDA phone and AT&T just announced the Audiovox

    >PPC4100,
    >> > but I was reading that Verizon will be carrying the Audiovox PPC 5050
    >> > although Verizon hasn't and won't make any announcement on it yet.
    >> >
    >> > So I was wondering how people like Verizon, and if anyone has any

    >thoughts
    >> > on either of the Audiovox's?
    >> >
    >> > tia - Brian
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >>

    >
     



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  2. I just moved my wife over to Verizon, which I have had for several
    years. Trying to call during the 5 pm time was a real hit and miss.
    Manly miss. Never had that problem with Verizon yet.



    On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:05:29 -0400, "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com>
    wrote:

    >Thanks for the input. Boston, btw.
    >
    >"Dan Albrich" <junkmail@shaney.uoregon.edui> wrote in message
    >news:jo2dnalJ2_U4QE3dRVn2sQ@comcast.com...
    >> Hello Brian-
    >>
    >> It's actually really important to mention where you are so that we can
    >> better help you. As much as people argue relentlessly over which is

    >better,
    >> the basic issue is that each company has its merits.
    >>
    >> Coverage wise, I do not agree that Verizon is better-- it all depends on
    >> where you work, live and travel. For example, Verizon has zero native
    >> coverage just south of Eugene until you get quite a ways into California.
    >> Verizon can roam, but coverage and features aren't ideal. AT&T has more
    >> native coverage in southern Oregon, and their GSM system provides

    >completely
    >> seemless roaming options and good coverage from here all the way down I5.
    >>
    >> I'm just giving you one specific example from my area to show you that
    >> depending on which location you refer to, Verizon may not be the best
    >> choice.
    >>
    >> Some biased info/opinion:
    >>
    >> CUSTOMER SERVICE wise, Verizon wins hands down (in my opinion).
    >> COVERAGE wise- it all depends. Study the maps, GSM coverage (sum in total)
    >> is less than either CDMA/analog or TDMA/analog so you need to study
    >> available coverage maps to understand if GSM works for you. [The winner

    >is
    >> which works best for you]
    >> DATA- Free data can be had on Verizon, but no data when roaming. AT&T has
    >> good data service that works even when you roam (very appealing to me) but
    >> they charge something for it.
    >> ROAMING - GSM roaming is seemless. Verizon roaming means you can still

    >place
    >> and receive calls but you lose basic features -- even things like

    >voicemail
    >> indication don't generally work when roaming.
    >> PHONES - no contest, AT&T wins, and will probably always win. Verizon has
    >> never carried any "cool" phones and probably never will. If Verizon had
    >> something like the T616, I'd change my mind.
    >> Don't jump to Verizon thinking they'll eventually carry a phone you like.
    >> I've been with them now for years, and I've never been pleased with their
    >> phone selection, and feel convinced it will never improve.
    >> COST - AT&T is cheaper in my area than Verizon. One could argue you get
    >> what you pay for.
    >>
    >> -Dan
    >>
    >> --
    >> Eugene, Oregon -- Pacific Northwest
    >> http://cell.uoregon.edu
    >>
    >>
    >> "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com> wrote in message
    >> news:e8mdnbFtkMfVAk3dRVn-hg@comcast.com...
    >> > My plan with AT&T expired and I'm looking to renew but was wondering if

    >I
    >> > should switch to Verizon as I've heard they're coverage is much better.

    >> But
    >> > I'm not impressed with the phones they have available. I'm also

    >thinking
    >> of
    >> > getting a Smart or PDA phone and AT&T just announced the Audiovox

    >PPC4100,
    >> > but I was reading that Verizon will be carrying the Audiovox PPC 5050
    >> > although Verizon hasn't and won't make any announcement on it yet.
    >> >
    >> > So I was wondering how people like Verizon, and if anyone has any

    >thoughts
    >> > on either of the Audiovox's?
    >> >
    >> > tia - Brian
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >>

    >
     
  3. I just moved my wife over to Verizon, which I have had for several
    years. Trying to call during the 5 pm time was a real hit and miss.
    Manly miss. Never had that problem with Verizon yet.



    On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:05:29 -0400, "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com>
    wrote:

    >Thanks for the input. Boston, btw.
    >
    >"Dan Albrich" <junkmail@shaney.uoregon.edui> wrote in message
    >news:jo2dnalJ2_U4QE3dRVn2sQ@comcast.com...
    >> Hello Brian-
    >>
    >> It's actually really important to mention where you are so that we can
    >> better help you. As much as people argue relentlessly over which is

    >better,
    >> the basic issue is that each company has its merits.
    >>
    >> Coverage wise, I do not agree that Verizon is better-- it all depends on
    >> where you work, live and travel. For example, Verizon has zero native
    >> coverage just south of Eugene until you get quite a ways into California.
    >> Verizon can roam, but coverage and features aren't ideal. AT&T has more
    >> native coverage in southern Oregon, and their GSM system provides

    >completely
    >> seemless roaming options and good coverage from here all the way down I5.
    >>
    >> I'm just giving you one specific example from my area to show you that
    >> depending on which location you refer to, Verizon may not be the best
    >> choice.
    >>
    >> Some biased info/opinion:
    >>
    >> CUSTOMER SERVICE wise, Verizon wins hands down (in my opinion).
    >> COVERAGE wise- it all depends. Study the maps, GSM coverage (sum in total)
    >> is less than either CDMA/analog or TDMA/analog so you need to study
    >> available coverage maps to understand if GSM works for you. [The winner

    >is
    >> which works best for you]
    >> DATA- Free data can be had on Verizon, but no data when roaming. AT&T has
    >> good data service that works even when you roam (very appealing to me) but
    >> they charge something for it.
    >> ROAMING - GSM roaming is seemless. Verizon roaming means you can still

    >place
    >> and receive calls but you lose basic features -- even things like

    >voicemail
    >> indication don't generally work when roaming.
    >> PHONES - no contest, AT&T wins, and will probably always win. Verizon has
    >> never carried any "cool" phones and probably never will. If Verizon had
    >> something like the T616, I'd change my mind.
    >> Don't jump to Verizon thinking they'll eventually carry a phone you like.
    >> I've been with them now for years, and I've never been pleased with their
    >> phone selection, and feel convinced it will never improve.
    >> COST - AT&T is cheaper in my area than Verizon. One could argue you get
    >> what you pay for.
    >>
    >> -Dan
    >>
    >> --
    >> Eugene, Oregon -- Pacific Northwest
    >> http://cell.uoregon.edu
    >>
    >>
    >> "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com> wrote in message
    >> news:e8mdnbFtkMfVAk3dRVn-hg@comcast.com...
    >> > My plan with AT&T expired and I'm looking to renew but was wondering if

    >I
    >> > should switch to Verizon as I've heard they're coverage is much better.

    >> But
    >> > I'm not impressed with the phones they have available. I'm also

    >thinking
    >> of
    >> > getting a Smart or PDA phone and AT&T just announced the Audiovox

    >PPC4100,
    >> > but I was reading that Verizon will be carrying the Audiovox PPC 5050
    >> > although Verizon hasn't and won't make any announcement on it yet.
    >> >
    >> > So I was wondering how people like Verizon, and if anyone has any

    >thoughts
    >> > on either of the Audiovox's?
    >> >
    >> > tia - Brian
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >>

    >
     
  4. I just moved my wife over to Verizon, which I have had for several
    years. Trying to call during the 5 pm time was a real hit and miss.
    Manly miss. Never had that problem with Verizon yet.



    On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:05:29 -0400, "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com>
    wrote:

    >Thanks for the input. Boston, btw.
    >
    >"Dan Albrich" <junkmail@shaney.uoregon.edui> wrote in message
    >news:jo2dnalJ2_U4QE3dRVn2sQ@comcast.com...
    >> Hello Brian-
    >>
    >> It's actually really important to mention where you are so that we can
    >> better help you. As much as people argue relentlessly over which is

    >better,
    >> the basic issue is that each company has its merits.
    >>
    >> Coverage wise, I do not agree that Verizon is better-- it all depends on
    >> where you work, live and travel. For example, Verizon has zero native
    >> coverage just south of Eugene until you get quite a ways into California.
    >> Verizon can roam, but coverage and features aren't ideal. AT&T has more
    >> native coverage in southern Oregon, and their GSM system provides

    >completely
    >> seemless roaming options and good coverage from here all the way down I5.
    >>
    >> I'm just giving you one specific example from my area to show you that
    >> depending on which location you refer to, Verizon may not be the best
    >> choice.
    >>
    >> Some biased info/opinion:
    >>
    >> CUSTOMER SERVICE wise, Verizon wins hands down (in my opinion).
    >> COVERAGE wise- it all depends. Study the maps, GSM coverage (sum in total)
    >> is less than either CDMA/analog or TDMA/analog so you need to study
    >> available coverage maps to understand if GSM works for you. [The winner

    >is
    >> which works best for you]
    >> DATA- Free data can be had on Verizon, but no data when roaming. AT&T has
    >> good data service that works even when you roam (very appealing to me) but
    >> they charge something for it.
    >> ROAMING - GSM roaming is seemless. Verizon roaming means you can still

    >place
    >> and receive calls but you lose basic features -- even things like

    >voicemail
    >> indication don't generally work when roaming.
    >> PHONES - no contest, AT&T wins, and will probably always win. Verizon has
    >> never carried any "cool" phones and probably never will. If Verizon had
    >> something like the T616, I'd change my mind.
    >> Don't jump to Verizon thinking they'll eventually carry a phone you like.
    >> I've been with them now for years, and I've never been pleased with their
    >> phone selection, and feel convinced it will never improve.
    >> COST - AT&T is cheaper in my area than Verizon. One could argue you get
    >> what you pay for.
    >>
    >> -Dan
    >>
    >> --
    >> Eugene, Oregon -- Pacific Northwest
    >> http://cell.uoregon.edu
    >>
    >>
    >> "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com> wrote in message
    >> news:e8mdnbFtkMfVAk3dRVn-hg@comcast.com...
    >> > My plan with AT&T expired and I'm looking to renew but was wondering if

    >I
    >> > should switch to Verizon as I've heard they're coverage is much better.

    >> But
    >> > I'm not impressed with the phones they have available. I'm also

    >thinking
    >> of
    >> > getting a Smart or PDA phone and AT&T just announced the Audiovox

    >PPC4100,
    >> > but I was reading that Verizon will be carrying the Audiovox PPC 5050
    >> > although Verizon hasn't and won't make any announcement on it yet.
    >> >
    >> > So I was wondering how people like Verizon, and if anyone has any

    >thoughts
    >> > on either of the Audiovox's?
    >> >
    >> > tia - Brian
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >>

    >
     
  5. I just moved my wife over to Verizon, which I have had for several
    years. Trying to call during the 5 pm time was a real hit and miss.
    Manly miss. Never had that problem with Verizon yet.



    On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:05:29 -0400, "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com>
    wrote:

    >Thanks for the input. Boston, btw.
    >
    >"Dan Albrich" <junkmail@shaney.uoregon.edui> wrote in message
    >news:jo2dnalJ2_U4QE3dRVn2sQ@comcast.com...
    >> Hello Brian-
    >>
    >> It's actually really important to mention where you are so that we can
    >> better help you. As much as people argue relentlessly over which is

    >better,
    >> the basic issue is that each company has its merits.
    >>
    >> Coverage wise, I do not agree that Verizon is better-- it all depends on
    >> where you work, live and travel. For example, Verizon has zero native
    >> coverage just south of Eugene until you get quite a ways into California.
    >> Verizon can roam, but coverage and features aren't ideal. AT&T has more
    >> native coverage in southern Oregon, and their GSM system provides

    >completely
    >> seemless roaming options and good coverage from here all the way down I5.
    >>
    >> I'm just giving you one specific example from my area to show you that
    >> depending on which location you refer to, Verizon may not be the best
    >> choice.
    >>
    >> Some biased info/opinion:
    >>
    >> CUSTOMER SERVICE wise, Verizon wins hands down (in my opinion).
    >> COVERAGE wise- it all depends. Study the maps, GSM coverage (sum in total)
    >> is less than either CDMA/analog or TDMA/analog so you need to study
    >> available coverage maps to understand if GSM works for you. [The winner

    >is
    >> which works best for you]
    >> DATA- Free data can be had on Verizon, but no data when roaming. AT&T has
    >> good data service that works even when you roam (very appealing to me) but
    >> they charge something for it.
    >> ROAMING - GSM roaming is seemless. Verizon roaming means you can still

    >place
    >> and receive calls but you lose basic features -- even things like

    >voicemail
    >> indication don't generally work when roaming.
    >> PHONES - no contest, AT&T wins, and will probably always win. Verizon has
    >> never carried any "cool" phones and probably never will. If Verizon had
    >> something like the T616, I'd change my mind.
    >> Don't jump to Verizon thinking they'll eventually carry a phone you like.
    >> I've been with them now for years, and I've never been pleased with their
    >> phone selection, and feel convinced it will never improve.
    >> COST - AT&T is cheaper in my area than Verizon. One could argue you get
    >> what you pay for.
    >>
    >> -Dan
    >>
    >> --
    >> Eugene, Oregon -- Pacific Northwest
    >> http://cell.uoregon.edu
    >>
    >>
    >> "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com> wrote in message
    >> news:e8mdnbFtkMfVAk3dRVn-hg@comcast.com...
    >> > My plan with AT&T expired and I'm looking to renew but was wondering if

    >I
    >> > should switch to Verizon as I've heard they're coverage is much better.

    >> But
    >> > I'm not impressed with the phones they have available. I'm also

    >thinking
    >> of
    >> > getting a Smart or PDA phone and AT&T just announced the Audiovox

    >PPC4100,
    >> > but I was reading that Verizon will be carrying the Audiovox PPC 5050
    >> > although Verizon hasn't and won't make any announcement on it yet.
    >> >
    >> > So I was wondering how people like Verizon, and if anyone has any

    >thoughts
    >> > on either of the Audiovox's?
    >> >
    >> > tia - Brian
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >>

    >
     
  6. I just moved my wife over to Verizon, which I have had for several
    years. Trying to call during the 5 pm time was a real hit and miss.
    Manly miss. Never had that problem with Verizon yet.



    On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:05:29 -0400, "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com>
    wrote:

    >Thanks for the input. Boston, btw.
    >
    >"Dan Albrich" <junkmail@shaney.uoregon.edui> wrote in message
    >news:jo2dnalJ2_U4QE3dRVn2sQ@comcast.com...
    >> Hello Brian-
    >>
    >> It's actually really important to mention where you are so that we can
    >> better help you. As much as people argue relentlessly over which is

    >better,
    >> the basic issue is that each company has its merits.
    >>
    >> Coverage wise, I do not agree that Verizon is better-- it all depends on
    >> where you work, live and travel. For example, Verizon has zero native
    >> coverage just south of Eugene until you get quite a ways into California.
    >> Verizon can roam, but coverage and features aren't ideal. AT&T has more
    >> native coverage in southern Oregon, and their GSM system provides

    >completely
    >> seemless roaming options and good coverage from here all the way down I5.
    >>
    >> I'm just giving you one specific example from my area to show you that
    >> depending on which location you refer to, Verizon may not be the best
    >> choice.
    >>
    >> Some biased info/opinion:
    >>
    >> CUSTOMER SERVICE wise, Verizon wins hands down (in my opinion).
    >> COVERAGE wise- it all depends. Study the maps, GSM coverage (sum in total)
    >> is less than either CDMA/analog or TDMA/analog so you need to study
    >> available coverage maps to understand if GSM works for you. [The winner

    >is
    >> which works best for you]
    >> DATA- Free data can be had on Verizon, but no data when roaming. AT&T has
    >> good data service that works even when you roam (very appealing to me) but
    >> they charge something for it.
    >> ROAMING - GSM roaming is seemless. Verizon roaming means you can still

    >place
    >> and receive calls but you lose basic features -- even things like

    >voicemail
    >> indication don't generally work when roaming.
    >> PHONES - no contest, AT&T wins, and will probably always win. Verizon has
    >> never carried any "cool" phones and probably never will. If Verizon had
    >> something like the T616, I'd change my mind.
    >> Don't jump to Verizon thinking they'll eventually carry a phone you like.
    >> I've been with them now for years, and I've never been pleased with their
    >> phone selection, and feel convinced it will never improve.
    >> COST - AT&T is cheaper in my area than Verizon. One could argue you get
    >> what you pay for.
    >>
    >> -Dan
    >>
    >> --
    >> Eugene, Oregon -- Pacific Northwest
    >> http://cell.uoregon.edu
    >>
    >>
    >> "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com> wrote in message
    >> news:e8mdnbFtkMfVAk3dRVn-hg@comcast.com...
    >> > My plan with AT&T expired and I'm looking to renew but was wondering if

    >I
    >> > should switch to Verizon as I've heard they're coverage is much better.

    >> But
    >> > I'm not impressed with the phones they have available. I'm also

    >thinking
    >> of
    >> > getting a Smart or PDA phone and AT&T just announced the Audiovox

    >PPC4100,
    >> > but I was reading that Verizon will be carrying the Audiovox PPC 5050
    >> > although Verizon hasn't and won't make any announcement on it yet.
    >> >
    >> > So I was wondering how people like Verizon, and if anyone has any

    >thoughts
    >> > on either of the Audiovox's?
    >> >
    >> > tia - Brian
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >>

    >
     
  7. I just moved my wife over to Verizon, which I have had for several
    years. Trying to call during the 5 pm time was a real hit and miss.
    Manly miss. Never had that problem with Verizon yet.



    On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:05:29 -0400, "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com>
    wrote:

    >Thanks for the input. Boston, btw.
    >
    >"Dan Albrich" <junkmail@shaney.uoregon.edui> wrote in message
    >news:jo2dnalJ2_U4QE3dRVn2sQ@comcast.com...
    >> Hello Brian-
    >>
    >> It's actually really important to mention where you are so that we can
    >> better help you. As much as people argue relentlessly over which is

    >better,
    >> the basic issue is that each company has its merits.
    >>
    >> Coverage wise, I do not agree that Verizon is better-- it all depends on
    >> where you work, live and travel. For example, Verizon has zero native
    >> coverage just south of Eugene until you get quite a ways into California.
    >> Verizon can roam, but coverage and features aren't ideal. AT&T has more
    >> native coverage in southern Oregon, and their GSM system provides

    >completely
    >> seemless roaming options and good coverage from here all the way down I5.
    >>
    >> I'm just giving you one specific example from my area to show you that
    >> depending on which location you refer to, Verizon may not be the best
    >> choice.
    >>
    >> Some biased info/opinion:
    >>
    >> CUSTOMER SERVICE wise, Verizon wins hands down (in my opinion).
    >> COVERAGE wise- it all depends. Study the maps, GSM coverage (sum in total)
    >> is less than either CDMA/analog or TDMA/analog so you need to study
    >> available coverage maps to understand if GSM works for you. [The winner

    >is
    >> which works best for you]
    >> DATA- Free data can be had on Verizon, but no data when roaming. AT&T has
    >> good data service that works even when you roam (very appealing to me) but
    >> they charge something for it.
    >> ROAMING - GSM roaming is seemless. Verizon roaming means you can still

    >place
    >> and receive calls but you lose basic features -- even things like

    >voicemail
    >> indication don't generally work when roaming.
    >> PHONES - no contest, AT&T wins, and will probably always win. Verizon has
    >> never carried any "cool" phones and probably never will. If Verizon had
    >> something like the T616, I'd change my mind.
    >> Don't jump to Verizon thinking they'll eventually carry a phone you like.
    >> I've been with them now for years, and I've never been pleased with their
    >> phone selection, and feel convinced it will never improve.
    >> COST - AT&T is cheaper in my area than Verizon. One could argue you get
    >> what you pay for.
    >>
    >> -Dan
    >>
    >> --
    >> Eugene, Oregon -- Pacific Northwest
    >> http://cell.uoregon.edu
    >>
    >>
    >> "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com> wrote in message
    >> news:e8mdnbFtkMfVAk3dRVn-hg@comcast.com...
    >> > My plan with AT&T expired and I'm looking to renew but was wondering if

    >I
    >> > should switch to Verizon as I've heard they're coverage is much better.

    >> But
    >> > I'm not impressed with the phones they have available. I'm also

    >thinking
    >> of
    >> > getting a Smart or PDA phone and AT&T just announced the Audiovox

    >PPC4100,
    >> > but I was reading that Verizon will be carrying the Audiovox PPC 5050
    >> > although Verizon hasn't and won't make any announcement on it yet.
    >> >
    >> > So I was wondering how people like Verizon, and if anyone has any

    >thoughts
    >> > on either of the Audiovox's?
    >> >
    >> > tia - Brian
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >>

    >
     
  8. I just moved my wife over to Verizon, which I have had for several
    years. Trying to call during the 5 pm time was a real hit and miss.
    Manly miss. Never had that problem with Verizon yet.



    On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:05:29 -0400, "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com>
    wrote:

    >Thanks for the input. Boston, btw.
    >
    >"Dan Albrich" <junkmail@shaney.uoregon.edui> wrote in message
    >news:jo2dnalJ2_U4QE3dRVn2sQ@comcast.com...
    >> Hello Brian-
    >>
    >> It's actually really important to mention where you are so that we can
    >> better help you. As much as people argue relentlessly over which is

    >better,
    >> the basic issue is that each company has its merits.
    >>
    >> Coverage wise, I do not agree that Verizon is better-- it all depends on
    >> where you work, live and travel. For example, Verizon has zero native
    >> coverage just south of Eugene until you get quite a ways into California.
    >> Verizon can roam, but coverage and features aren't ideal. AT&T has more
    >> native coverage in southern Oregon, and their GSM system provides

    >completely
    >> seemless roaming options and good coverage from here all the way down I5.
    >>
    >> I'm just giving you one specific example from my area to show you that
    >> depending on which location you refer to, Verizon may not be the best
    >> choice.
    >>
    >> Some biased info/opinion:
    >>
    >> CUSTOMER SERVICE wise, Verizon wins hands down (in my opinion).
    >> COVERAGE wise- it all depends. Study the maps, GSM coverage (sum in total)
    >> is less than either CDMA/analog or TDMA/analog so you need to study
    >> available coverage maps to understand if GSM works for you. [The winner

    >is
    >> which works best for you]
    >> DATA- Free data can be had on Verizon, but no data when roaming. AT&T has
    >> good data service that works even when you roam (very appealing to me) but
    >> they charge something for it.
    >> ROAMING - GSM roaming is seemless. Verizon roaming means you can still

    >place
    >> and receive calls but you lose basic features -- even things like

    >voicemail
    >> indication don't generally work when roaming.
    >> PHONES - no contest, AT&T wins, and will probably always win. Verizon has
    >> never carried any "cool" phones and probably never will. If Verizon had
    >> something like the T616, I'd change my mind.
    >> Don't jump to Verizon thinking they'll eventually carry a phone you like.
    >> I've been with them now for years, and I've never been pleased with their
    >> phone selection, and feel convinced it will never improve.
    >> COST - AT&T is cheaper in my area than Verizon. One could argue you get
    >> what you pay for.
    >>
    >> -Dan
    >>
    >> --
    >> Eugene, Oregon -- Pacific Northwest
    >> http://cell.uoregon.edu
    >>
    >>
    >> "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com> wrote in message
    >> news:e8mdnbFtkMfVAk3dRVn-hg@comcast.com...
    >> > My plan with AT&T expired and I'm looking to renew but was wondering if

    >I
    >> > should switch to Verizon as I've heard they're coverage is much better.

    >> But
    >> > I'm not impressed with the phones they have available. I'm also

    >thinking
    >> of
    >> > getting a Smart or PDA phone and AT&T just announced the Audiovox

    >PPC4100,
    >> > but I was reading that Verizon will be carrying the Audiovox PPC 5050
    >> > although Verizon hasn't and won't make any announcement on it yet.
    >> >
    >> > So I was wondering how people like Verizon, and if anyone has any

    >thoughts
    >> > on either of the Audiovox's?
    >> >
    >> > tia - Brian
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >>

    >
     
  9. I just moved my wife over to Verizon, which I have had for several
    years. Trying to call during the 5 pm time was a real hit and miss.
    Manly miss. Never had that problem with Verizon yet.



    On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:05:29 -0400, "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com>
    wrote:

    >Thanks for the input. Boston, btw.
    >
    >"Dan Albrich" <junkmail@shaney.uoregon.edui> wrote in message
    >news:jo2dnalJ2_U4QE3dRVn2sQ@comcast.com...
    >> Hello Brian-
    >>
    >> It's actually really important to mention where you are so that we can
    >> better help you. As much as people argue relentlessly over which is

    >better,
    >> the basic issue is that each company has its merits.
    >>
    >> Coverage wise, I do not agree that Verizon is better-- it all depends on
    >> where you work, live and travel. For example, Verizon has zero native
    >> coverage just south of Eugene until you get quite a ways into California.
    >> Verizon can roam, but coverage and features aren't ideal. AT&T has more
    >> native coverage in southern Oregon, and their GSM system provides

    >completely
    >> seemless roaming options and good coverage from here all the way down I5.
    >>
    >> I'm just giving you one specific example from my area to show you that
    >> depending on which location you refer to, Verizon may not be the best
    >> choice.
    >>
    >> Some biased info/opinion:
    >>
    >> CUSTOMER SERVICE wise, Verizon wins hands down (in my opinion).
    >> COVERAGE wise- it all depends. Study the maps, GSM coverage (sum in total)
    >> is less than either CDMA/analog or TDMA/analog so you need to study
    >> available coverage maps to understand if GSM works for you. [The winner

    >is
    >> which works best for you]
    >> DATA- Free data can be had on Verizon, but no data when roaming. AT&T has
    >> good data service that works even when you roam (very appealing to me) but
    >> they charge something for it.
    >> ROAMING - GSM roaming is seemless. Verizon roaming means you can still

    >place
    >> and receive calls but you lose basic features -- even things like

    >voicemail
    >> indication don't generally work when roaming.
    >> PHONES - no contest, AT&T wins, and will probably always win. Verizon has
    >> never carried any "cool" phones and probably never will. If Verizon had
    >> something like the T616, I'd change my mind.
    >> Don't jump to Verizon thinking they'll eventually carry a phone you like.
    >> I've been with them now for years, and I've never been pleased with their
    >> phone selection, and feel convinced it will never improve.
    >> COST - AT&T is cheaper in my area than Verizon. One could argue you get
    >> what you pay for.
    >>
    >> -Dan
    >>
    >> --
    >> Eugene, Oregon -- Pacific Northwest
    >> http://cell.uoregon.edu
    >>
    >>
    >> "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com> wrote in message
    >> news:e8mdnbFtkMfVAk3dRVn-hg@comcast.com...
    >> > My plan with AT&T expired and I'm looking to renew but was wondering if

    >I
    >> > should switch to Verizon as I've heard they're coverage is much better.

    >> But
    >> > I'm not impressed with the phones they have available. I'm also

    >thinking
    >> of
    >> > getting a Smart or PDA phone and AT&T just announced the Audiovox

    >PPC4100,
    >> > but I was reading that Verizon will be carrying the Audiovox PPC 5050
    >> > although Verizon hasn't and won't make any announcement on it yet.
    >> >
    >> > So I was wondering how people like Verizon, and if anyone has any

    >thoughts
    >> > on either of the Audiovox's?
    >> >
    >> > tia - Brian
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >>

    >
     
  10. I just moved my wife over to Verizon, which I have had for several
    years. Trying to call during the 5 pm time was a real hit and miss.
    Manly miss. Never had that problem with Verizon yet.



    On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:05:29 -0400, "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com>
    wrote:

    >Thanks for the input. Boston, btw.
    >
    >"Dan Albrich" <junkmail@shaney.uoregon.edui> wrote in message
    >news:jo2dnalJ2_U4QE3dRVn2sQ@comcast.com...
    >> Hello Brian-
    >>
    >> It's actually really important to mention where you are so that we can
    >> better help you. As much as people argue relentlessly over which is

    >better,
    >> the basic issue is that each company has its merits.
    >>
    >> Coverage wise, I do not agree that Verizon is better-- it all depends on
    >> where you work, live and travel. For example, Verizon has zero native
    >> coverage just south of Eugene until you get quite a ways into California.
    >> Verizon can roam, but coverage and features aren't ideal. AT&T has more
    >> native coverage in southern Oregon, and their GSM system provides

    >completely
    >> seemless roaming options and good coverage from here all the way down I5.
    >>
    >> I'm just giving you one specific example from my area to show you that
    >> depending on which location you refer to, Verizon may not be the best
    >> choice.
    >>
    >> Some biased info/opinion:
    >>
    >> CUSTOMER SERVICE wise, Verizon wins hands down (in my opinion).
    >> COVERAGE wise- it all depends. Study the maps, GSM coverage (sum in total)
    >> is less than either CDMA/analog or TDMA/analog so you need to study
    >> available coverage maps to understand if GSM works for you. [The winner

    >is
    >> which works best for you]
    >> DATA- Free data can be had on Verizon, but no data when roaming. AT&T has
    >> good data service that works even when you roam (very appealing to me) but
    >> they charge something for it.
    >> ROAMING - GSM roaming is seemless. Verizon roaming means you can still

    >place
    >> and receive calls but you lose basic features -- even things like

    >voicemail
    >> indication don't generally work when roaming.
    >> PHONES - no contest, AT&T wins, and will probably always win. Verizon has
    >> never carried any "cool" phones and probably never will. If Verizon had
    >> something like the T616, I'd change my mind.
    >> Don't jump to Verizon thinking they'll eventually carry a phone you like.
    >> I've been with them now for years, and I've never been pleased with their
    >> phone selection, and feel convinced it will never improve.
    >> COST - AT&T is cheaper in my area than Verizon. One could argue you get
    >> what you pay for.
    >>
    >> -Dan
    >>
    >> --
    >> Eugene, Oregon -- Pacific Northwest
    >> http://cell.uoregon.edu
    >>
    >>
    >> "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com> wrote in message
    >> news:e8mdnbFtkMfVAk3dRVn-hg@comcast.com...
    >> > My plan with AT&T expired and I'm looking to renew but was wondering if

    >I
    >> > should switch to Verizon as I've heard they're coverage is much better.

    >> But
    >> > I'm not impressed with the phones they have available. I'm also

    >thinking
    >> of
    >> > getting a Smart or PDA phone and AT&T just announced the Audiovox

    >PPC4100,
    >> > but I was reading that Verizon will be carrying the Audiovox PPC 5050
    >> > although Verizon hasn't and won't make any announcement on it yet.
    >> >
    >> > So I was wondering how people like Verizon, and if anyone has any

    >thoughts
    >> > on either of the Audiovox's?
    >> >
    >> > tia - Brian
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >>

    >
     
  11. I just moved my wife over to Verizon, which I have had for several
    years. Trying to call during the 5 pm time was a real hit and miss.
    Manly miss. Never had that problem with Verizon yet.



    On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:05:29 -0400, "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com>
    wrote:

    >Thanks for the input. Boston, btw.
    >
    >"Dan Albrich" <junkmail@shaney.uoregon.edui> wrote in message
    >news:jo2dnalJ2_U4QE3dRVn2sQ@comcast.com...
    >> Hello Brian-
    >>
    >> It's actually really important to mention where you are so that we can
    >> better help you. As much as people argue relentlessly over which is

    >better,
    >> the basic issue is that each company has its merits.
    >>
    >> Coverage wise, I do not agree that Verizon is better-- it all depends on
    >> where you work, live and travel. For example, Verizon has zero native
    >> coverage just south of Eugene until you get quite a ways into California.
    >> Verizon can roam, but coverage and features aren't ideal. AT&T has more
    >> native coverage in southern Oregon, and their GSM system provides

    >completely
    >> seemless roaming options and good coverage from here all the way down I5.
    >>
    >> I'm just giving you one specific example from my area to show you that
    >> depending on which location you refer to, Verizon may not be the best
    >> choice.
    >>
    >> Some biased info/opinion:
    >>
    >> CUSTOMER SERVICE wise, Verizon wins hands down (in my opinion).
    >> COVERAGE wise- it all depends. Study the maps, GSM coverage (sum in total)
    >> is less than either CDMA/analog or TDMA/analog so you need to study
    >> available coverage maps to understand if GSM works for you. [The winner

    >is
    >> which works best for you]
    >> DATA- Free data can be had on Verizon, but no data when roaming. AT&T has
    >> good data service that works even when you roam (very appealing to me) but
    >> they charge something for it.
    >> ROAMING - GSM roaming is seemless. Verizon roaming means you can still

    >place
    >> and receive calls but you lose basic features -- even things like

    >voicemail
    >> indication don't generally work when roaming.
    >> PHONES - no contest, AT&T wins, and will probably always win. Verizon has
    >> never carried any "cool" phones and probably never will. If Verizon had
    >> something like the T616, I'd change my mind.
    >> Don't jump to Verizon thinking they'll eventually carry a phone you like.
    >> I've been with them now for years, and I've never been pleased with their
    >> phone selection, and feel convinced it will never improve.
    >> COST - AT&T is cheaper in my area than Verizon. One could argue you get
    >> what you pay for.
    >>
    >> -Dan
    >>
    >> --
    >> Eugene, Oregon -- Pacific Northwest
    >> http://cell.uoregon.edu
    >>
    >>
    >> "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com> wrote in message
    >> news:e8mdnbFtkMfVAk3dRVn-hg@comcast.com...
    >> > My plan with AT&T expired and I'm looking to renew but was wondering if

    >I
    >> > should switch to Verizon as I've heard they're coverage is much better.

    >> But
    >> > I'm not impressed with the phones they have available. I'm also

    >thinking
    >> of
    >> > getting a Smart or PDA phone and AT&T just announced the Audiovox

    >PPC4100,
    >> > but I was reading that Verizon will be carrying the Audiovox PPC 5050
    >> > although Verizon hasn't and won't make any announcement on it yet.
    >> >
    >> > So I was wondering how people like Verizon, and if anyone has any

    >thoughts
    >> > on either of the Audiovox's?
    >> >
    >> > tia - Brian
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >>

    >
     
  12. I just moved my wife over to Verizon, which I have had for several
    years. Trying to call during the 5 pm time was a real hit and miss.
    Manly miss. Never had that problem with Verizon yet.



    On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:05:29 -0400, "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com>
    wrote:

    >Thanks for the input. Boston, btw.
    >
    >"Dan Albrich" <junkmail@shaney.uoregon.edui> wrote in message
    >news:jo2dnalJ2_U4QE3dRVn2sQ@comcast.com...
    >> Hello Brian-
    >>
    >> It's actually really important to mention where you are so that we can
    >> better help you. As much as people argue relentlessly over which is

    >better,
    >> the basic issue is that each company has its merits.
    >>
    >> Coverage wise, I do not agree that Verizon is better-- it all depends on
    >> where you work, live and travel. For example, Verizon has zero native
    >> coverage just south of Eugene until you get quite a ways into California.
    >> Verizon can roam, but coverage and features aren't ideal. AT&T has more
    >> native coverage in southern Oregon, and their GSM system provides

    >completely
    >> seemless roaming options and good coverage from here all the way down I5.
    >>
    >> I'm just giving you one specific example from my area to show you that
    >> depending on which location you refer to, Verizon may not be the best
    >> choice.
    >>
    >> Some biased info/opinion:
    >>
    >> CUSTOMER SERVICE wise, Verizon wins hands down (in my opinion).
    >> COVERAGE wise- it all depends. Study the maps, GSM coverage (sum in total)
    >> is less than either CDMA/analog or TDMA/analog so you need to study
    >> available coverage maps to understand if GSM works for you. [The winner

    >is
    >> which works best for you]
    >> DATA- Free data can be had on Verizon, but no data when roaming. AT&T has
    >> good data service that works even when you roam (very appealing to me) but
    >> they charge something for it.
    >> ROAMING - GSM roaming is seemless. Verizon roaming means you can still

    >place
    >> and receive calls but you lose basic features -- even things like

    >voicemail
    >> indication don't generally work when roaming.
    >> PHONES - no contest, AT&T wins, and will probably always win. Verizon has
    >> never carried any "cool" phones and probably never will. If Verizon had
    >> something like the T616, I'd change my mind.
    >> Don't jump to Verizon thinking they'll eventually carry a phone you like.
    >> I've been with them now for years, and I've never been pleased with their
    >> phone selection, and feel convinced it will never improve.
    >> COST - AT&T is cheaper in my area than Verizon. One could argue you get
    >> what you pay for.
    >>
    >> -Dan
    >>
    >> --
    >> Eugene, Oregon -- Pacific Northwest
    >> http://cell.uoregon.edu
    >>
    >>
    >> "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com> wrote in message
    >> news:e8mdnbFtkMfVAk3dRVn-hg@comcast.com...
    >> > My plan with AT&T expired and I'm looking to renew but was wondering if

    >I
    >> > should switch to Verizon as I've heard they're coverage is much better.

    >> But
    >> > I'm not impressed with the phones they have available. I'm also

    >thinking
    >> of
    >> > getting a Smart or PDA phone and AT&T just announced the Audiovox

    >PPC4100,
    >> > but I was reading that Verizon will be carrying the Audiovox PPC 5050
    >> > although Verizon hasn't and won't make any announcement on it yet.
    >> >
    >> > So I was wondering how people like Verizon, and if anyone has any

    >thoughts
    >> > on either of the Audiovox's?
    >> >
    >> > tia - Brian
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >>

    >
     
  13. I just moved my wife over to Verizon, which I have had for several
    years. Trying to call during the 5 pm time was a real hit and miss.
    Manly miss. Never had that problem with Verizon yet.



    On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:05:29 -0400, "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com>
    wrote:

    >Thanks for the input. Boston, btw.
    >
    >"Dan Albrich" <junkmail@shaney.uoregon.edui> wrote in message
    >news:jo2dnalJ2_U4QE3dRVn2sQ@comcast.com...
    >> Hello Brian-
    >>
    >> It's actually really important to mention where you are so that we can
    >> better help you. As much as people argue relentlessly over which is

    >better,
    >> the basic issue is that each company has its merits.
    >>
    >> Coverage wise, I do not agree that Verizon is better-- it all depends on
    >> where you work, live and travel. For example, Verizon has zero native
    >> coverage just south of Eugene until you get quite a ways into California.
    >> Verizon can roam, but coverage and features aren't ideal. AT&T has more
    >> native coverage in southern Oregon, and their GSM system provides

    >completely
    >> seemless roaming options and good coverage from here all the way down I5.
    >>
    >> I'm just giving you one specific example from my area to show you that
    >> depending on which location you refer to, Verizon may not be the best
    >> choice.
    >>
    >> Some biased info/opinion:
    >>
    >> CUSTOMER SERVICE wise, Verizon wins hands down (in my opinion).
    >> COVERAGE wise- it all depends. Study the maps, GSM coverage (sum in total)
    >> is less than either CDMA/analog or TDMA/analog so you need to study
    >> available coverage maps to understand if GSM works for you. [The winner

    >is
    >> which works best for you]
    >> DATA- Free data can be had on Verizon, but no data when roaming. AT&T has
    >> good data service that works even when you roam (very appealing to me) but
    >> they charge something for it.
    >> ROAMING - GSM roaming is seemless. Verizon roaming means you can still

    >place
    >> and receive calls but you lose basic features -- even things like

    >voicemail
    >> indication don't generally work when roaming.
    >> PHONES - no contest, AT&T wins, and will probably always win. Verizon has
    >> never carried any "cool" phones and probably never will. If Verizon had
    >> something like the T616, I'd change my mind.
    >> Don't jump to Verizon thinking they'll eventually carry a phone you like.
    >> I've been with them now for years, and I've never been pleased with their
    >> phone selection, and feel convinced it will never improve.
    >> COST - AT&T is cheaper in my area than Verizon. One could argue you get
    >> what you pay for.
    >>
    >> -Dan
    >>
    >> --
    >> Eugene, Oregon -- Pacific Northwest
    >> http://cell.uoregon.edu
    >>
    >>
    >> "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com> wrote in message
    >> news:e8mdnbFtkMfVAk3dRVn-hg@comcast.com...
    >> > My plan with AT&T expired and I'm looking to renew but was wondering if

    >I
    >> > should switch to Verizon as I've heard they're coverage is much better.

    >> But
    >> > I'm not impressed with the phones they have available. I'm also

    >thinking
    >> of
    >> > getting a Smart or PDA phone and AT&T just announced the Audiovox

    >PPC4100,
    >> > but I was reading that Verizon will be carrying the Audiovox PPC 5050
    >> > although Verizon hasn't and won't make any announcement on it yet.
    >> >
    >> > So I was wondering how people like Verizon, and if anyone has any

    >thoughts
    >> > on either of the Audiovox's?
    >> >
    >> > tia - Brian
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >>

    >
     
  14. I just moved my wife over to Verizon, which I have had for several
    years. Trying to call during the 5 pm time was a real hit and miss.
    Manly miss. Never had that problem with Verizon yet.



    On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:05:29 -0400, "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com>
    wrote:

    >Thanks for the input. Boston, btw.
    >
    >"Dan Albrich" <junkmail@shaney.uoregon.edui> wrote in message
    >news:jo2dnalJ2_U4QE3dRVn2sQ@comcast.com...
    >> Hello Brian-
    >>
    >> It's actually really important to mention where you are so that we can
    >> better help you. As much as people argue relentlessly over which is

    >better,
    >> the basic issue is that each company has its merits.
    >>
    >> Coverage wise, I do not agree that Verizon is better-- it all depends on
    >> where you work, live and travel. For example, Verizon has zero native
    >> coverage just south of Eugene until you get quite a ways into California.
    >> Verizon can roam, but coverage and features aren't ideal. AT&T has more
    >> native coverage in southern Oregon, and their GSM system provides

    >completely
    >> seemless roaming options and good coverage from here all the way down I5.
    >>
    >> I'm just giving you one specific example from my area to show you that
    >> depending on which location you refer to, Verizon may not be the best
    >> choice.
    >>
    >> Some biased info/opinion:
    >>
    >> CUSTOMER SERVICE wise, Verizon wins hands down (in my opinion).
    >> COVERAGE wise- it all depends. Study the maps, GSM coverage (sum in total)
    >> is less than either CDMA/analog or TDMA/analog so you need to study
    >> available coverage maps to understand if GSM works for you. [The winner

    >is
    >> which works best for you]
    >> DATA- Free data can be had on Verizon, but no data when roaming. AT&T has
    >> good data service that works even when you roam (very appealing to me) but
    >> they charge something for it.
    >> ROAMING - GSM roaming is seemless. Verizon roaming means you can still

    >place
    >> and receive calls but you lose basic features -- even things like

    >voicemail
    >> indication don't generally work when roaming.
    >> PHONES - no contest, AT&T wins, and will probably always win. Verizon has
    >> never carried any "cool" phones and probably never will. If Verizon had
    >> something like the T616, I'd change my mind.
    >> Don't jump to Verizon thinking they'll eventually carry a phone you like.
    >> I've been with them now for years, and I've never been pleased with their
    >> phone selection, and feel convinced it will never improve.
    >> COST - AT&T is cheaper in my area than Verizon. One could argue you get
    >> what you pay for.
    >>
    >> -Dan
    >>
    >> --
    >> Eugene, Oregon -- Pacific Northwest
    >> http://cell.uoregon.edu
    >>
    >>
    >> "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com> wrote in message
    >> news:e8mdnbFtkMfVAk3dRVn-hg@comcast.com...
    >> > My plan with AT&T expired and I'm looking to renew but was wondering if

    >I
    >> > should switch to Verizon as I've heard they're coverage is much better.

    >> But
    >> > I'm not impressed with the phones they have available. I'm also

    >thinking
    >> of
    >> > getting a Smart or PDA phone and AT&T just announced the Audiovox

    >PPC4100,
    >> > but I was reading that Verizon will be carrying the Audiovox PPC 5050
    >> > although Verizon hasn't and won't make any announcement on it yet.
    >> >
    >> > So I was wondering how people like Verizon, and if anyone has any

    >thoughts
    >> > on either of the Audiovox's?
    >> >
    >> > tia - Brian
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >>

    >
     
  15. I just moved my wife over to Verizon, which I have had for several
    years. Trying to call during the 5 pm time was a real hit and miss.
    Manly miss. Never had that problem with Verizon yet.



    On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:05:29 -0400, "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com>
    wrote:

    >Thanks for the input. Boston, btw.
    >
    >"Dan Albrich" <junkmail@shaney.uoregon.edui> wrote in message
    >news:jo2dnalJ2_U4QE3dRVn2sQ@comcast.com...
    >> Hello Brian-
    >>
    >> It's actually really important to mention where you are so that we can
    >> better help you. As much as people argue relentlessly over which is

    >better,
    >> the basic issue is that each company has its merits.
    >>
    >> Coverage wise, I do not agree that Verizon is better-- it all depends on
    >> where you work, live and travel. For example, Verizon has zero native
    >> coverage just south of Eugene until you get quite a ways into California.
    >> Verizon can roam, but coverage and features aren't ideal. AT&T has more
    >> native coverage in southern Oregon, and their GSM system provides

    >completely
    >> seemless roaming options and good coverage from here all the way down I5.
    >>
    >> I'm just giving you one specific example from my area to show you that
    >> depending on which location you refer to, Verizon may not be the best
    >> choice.
    >>
    >> Some biased info/opinion:
    >>
    >> CUSTOMER SERVICE wise, Verizon wins hands down (in my opinion).
    >> COVERAGE wise- it all depends. Study the maps, GSM coverage (sum in total)
    >> is less than either CDMA/analog or TDMA/analog so you need to study
    >> available coverage maps to understand if GSM works for you. [The winner

    >is
    >> which works best for you]
    >> DATA- Free data can be had on Verizon, but no data when roaming. AT&T has
    >> good data service that works even when you roam (very appealing to me) but
    >> they charge something for it.
    >> ROAMING - GSM roaming is seemless. Verizon roaming means you can still

    >place
    >> and receive calls but you lose basic features -- even things like

    >voicemail
    >> indication don't generally work when roaming.
    >> PHONES - no contest, AT&T wins, and will probably always win. Verizon has
    >> never carried any "cool" phones and probably never will. If Verizon had
    >> something like the T616, I'd change my mind.
    >> Don't jump to Verizon thinking they'll eventually carry a phone you like.
    >> I've been with them now for years, and I've never been pleased with their
    >> phone selection, and feel convinced it will never improve.
    >> COST - AT&T is cheaper in my area than Verizon. One could argue you get
    >> what you pay for.
    >>
    >> -Dan
    >>
    >> --
    >> Eugene, Oregon -- Pacific Northwest
    >> http://cell.uoregon.edu
    >>
    >>
    >> "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com> wrote in message
    >> news:e8mdnbFtkMfVAk3dRVn-hg@comcast.com...
    >> > My plan with AT&T expired and I'm looking to renew but was wondering if

    >I
    >> > should switch to Verizon as I've heard they're coverage is much better.

    >> But
    >> > I'm not impressed with the phones they have available. I'm also

    >thinking
    >> of
    >> > getting a Smart or PDA phone and AT&T just announced the Audiovox

    >PPC4100,
    >> > but I was reading that Verizon will be carrying the Audiovox PPC 5050
    >> > although Verizon hasn't and won't make any announcement on it yet.
    >> >
    >> > So I was wondering how people like Verizon, and if anyone has any

    >thoughts
    >> > on either of the Audiovox's?
    >> >
    >> > tia - Brian
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >>

    >
     
  16. I just moved my wife over to Verizon, which I have had for several
    years. Trying to call during the 5 pm time was a real hit and miss.
    Manly miss. Never had that problem with Verizon yet.



    On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:05:29 -0400, "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com>
    wrote:

    >Thanks for the input. Boston, btw.
    >
    >"Dan Albrich" <junkmail@shaney.uoregon.edui> wrote in message
    >news:jo2dnalJ2_U4QE3dRVn2sQ@comcast.com...
    >> Hello Brian-
    >>
    >> It's actually really important to mention where you are so that we can
    >> better help you. As much as people argue relentlessly over which is

    >better,
    >> the basic issue is that each company has its merits.
    >>
    >> Coverage wise, I do not agree that Verizon is better-- it all depends on
    >> where you work, live and travel. For example, Verizon has zero native
    >> coverage just south of Eugene until you get quite a ways into California.
    >> Verizon can roam, but coverage and features aren't ideal. AT&T has more
    >> native coverage in southern Oregon, and their GSM system provides

    >completely
    >> seemless roaming options and good coverage from here all the way down I5.
    >>
    >> I'm just giving you one specific example from my area to show you that
    >> depending on which location you refer to, Verizon may not be the best
    >> choice.
    >>
    >> Some biased info/opinion:
    >>
    >> CUSTOMER SERVICE wise, Verizon wins hands down (in my opinion).
    >> COVERAGE wise- it all depends. Study the maps, GSM coverage (sum in total)
    >> is less than either CDMA/analog or TDMA/analog so you need to study
    >> available coverage maps to understand if GSM works for you. [The winner

    >is
    >> which works best for you]
    >> DATA- Free data can be had on Verizon, but no data when roaming. AT&T has
    >> good data service that works even when you roam (very appealing to me) but
    >> they charge something for it.
    >> ROAMING - GSM roaming is seemless. Verizon roaming means you can still

    >place
    >> and receive calls but you lose basic features -- even things like

    >voicemail
    >> indication don't generally work when roaming.
    >> PHONES - no contest, AT&T wins, and will probably always win. Verizon has
    >> never carried any "cool" phones and probably never will. If Verizon had
    >> something like the T616, I'd change my mind.
    >> Don't jump to Verizon thinking they'll eventually carry a phone you like.
    >> I've been with them now for years, and I've never been pleased with their
    >> phone selection, and feel convinced it will never improve.
    >> COST - AT&T is cheaper in my area than Verizon. One could argue you get
    >> what you pay for.
    >>
    >> -Dan
    >>
    >> --
    >> Eugene, Oregon -- Pacific Northwest
    >> http://cell.uoregon.edu
    >>
    >>
    >> "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com> wrote in message
    >> news:e8mdnbFtkMfVAk3dRVn-hg@comcast.com...
    >> > My plan with AT&T expired and I'm looking to renew but was wondering if

    >I
    >> > should switch to Verizon as I've heard they're coverage is much better.

    >> But
    >> > I'm not impressed with the phones they have available. I'm also

    >thinking
    >> of
    >> > getting a Smart or PDA phone and AT&T just announced the Audiovox

    >PPC4100,
    >> > but I was reading that Verizon will be carrying the Audiovox PPC 5050
    >> > although Verizon hasn't and won't make any announcement on it yet.
    >> >
    >> > So I was wondering how people like Verizon, and if anyone has any

    >thoughts
    >> > on either of the Audiovox's?
    >> >
    >> > tia - Brian
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >>

    >
     
  17. I just moved my wife over to Verizon, which I have had for several
    years. Trying to call during the 5 pm time was a real hit and miss.
    Manly miss. Never had that problem with Verizon yet.



    On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:05:29 -0400, "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com>
    wrote:

    >Thanks for the input. Boston, btw.
    >
    >"Dan Albrich" <junkmail@shaney.uoregon.edui> wrote in message
    >news:jo2dnalJ2_U4QE3dRVn2sQ@comcast.com...
    >> Hello Brian-
    >>
    >> It's actually really important to mention where you are so that we can
    >> better help you. As much as people argue relentlessly over which is

    >better,
    >> the basic issue is that each company has its merits.
    >>
    >> Coverage wise, I do not agree that Verizon is better-- it all depends on
    >> where you work, live and travel. For example, Verizon has zero native
    >> coverage just south of Eugene until you get quite a ways into California.
    >> Verizon can roam, but coverage and features aren't ideal. AT&T has more
    >> native coverage in southern Oregon, and their GSM system provides

    >completely
    >> seemless roaming options and good coverage from here all the way down I5.
    >>
    >> I'm just giving you one specific example from my area to show you that
    >> depending on which location you refer to, Verizon may not be the best
    >> choice.
    >>
    >> Some biased info/opinion:
    >>
    >> CUSTOMER SERVICE wise, Verizon wins hands down (in my opinion).
    >> COVERAGE wise- it all depends. Study the maps, GSM coverage (sum in total)
    >> is less than either CDMA/analog or TDMA/analog so you need to study
    >> available coverage maps to understand if GSM works for you. [The winner

    >is
    >> which works best for you]
    >> DATA- Free data can be had on Verizon, but no data when roaming. AT&T has
    >> good data service that works even when you roam (very appealing to me) but
    >> they charge something for it.
    >> ROAMING - GSM roaming is seemless. Verizon roaming means you can still

    >place
    >> and receive calls but you lose basic features -- even things like

    >voicemail
    >> indication don't generally work when roaming.
    >> PHONES - no contest, AT&T wins, and will probably always win. Verizon has
    >> never carried any "cool" phones and probably never will. If Verizon had
    >> something like the T616, I'd change my mind.
    >> Don't jump to Verizon thinking they'll eventually carry a phone you like.
    >> I've been with them now for years, and I've never been pleased with their
    >> phone selection, and feel convinced it will never improve.
    >> COST - AT&T is cheaper in my area than Verizon. One could argue you get
    >> what you pay for.
    >>
    >> -Dan
    >>
    >> --
    >> Eugene, Oregon -- Pacific Northwest
    >> http://cell.uoregon.edu
    >>
    >>
    >> "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com> wrote in message
    >> news:e8mdnbFtkMfVAk3dRVn-hg@comcast.com...
    >> > My plan with AT&T expired and I'm looking to renew but was wondering if

    >I
    >> > should switch to Verizon as I've heard they're coverage is much better.

    >> But
    >> > I'm not impressed with the phones they have available. I'm also

    >thinking
    >> of
    >> > getting a Smart or PDA phone and AT&T just announced the Audiovox

    >PPC4100,
    >> > but I was reading that Verizon will be carrying the Audiovox PPC 5050
    >> > although Verizon hasn't and won't make any announcement on it yet.
    >> >
    >> > So I was wondering how people like Verizon, and if anyone has any

    >thoughts
    >> > on either of the Audiovox's?
    >> >
    >> > tia - Brian
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >>

    >
     
  18. I just moved my wife over to Verizon, which I have had for several
    years. Trying to call during the 5 pm time was a real hit and miss.
    Manly miss. Never had that problem with Verizon yet.



    On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:05:29 -0400, "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com>
    wrote:

    >Thanks for the input. Boston, btw.
    >
    >"Dan Albrich" <junkmail@shaney.uoregon.edui> wrote in message
    >news:jo2dnalJ2_U4QE3dRVn2sQ@comcast.com...
    >> Hello Brian-
    >>
    >> It's actually really important to mention where you are so that we can
    >> better help you. As much as people argue relentlessly over which is

    >better,
    >> the basic issue is that each company has its merits.
    >>
    >> Coverage wise, I do not agree that Verizon is better-- it all depends on
    >> where you work, live and travel. For example, Verizon has zero native
    >> coverage just south of Eugene until you get quite a ways into California.
    >> Verizon can roam, but coverage and features aren't ideal. AT&T has more
    >> native coverage in southern Oregon, and their GSM system provides

    >completely
    >> seemless roaming options and good coverage from here all the way down I5.
    >>
    >> I'm just giving you one specific example from my area to show you that
    >> depending on which location you refer to, Verizon may not be the best
    >> choice.
    >>
    >> Some biased info/opinion:
    >>
    >> CUSTOMER SERVICE wise, Verizon wins hands down (in my opinion).
    >> COVERAGE wise- it all depends. Study the maps, GSM coverage (sum in total)
    >> is less than either CDMA/analog or TDMA/analog so you need to study
    >> available coverage maps to understand if GSM works for you. [The winner

    >is
    >> which works best for you]
    >> DATA- Free data can be had on Verizon, but no data when roaming. AT&T has
    >> good data service that works even when you roam (very appealing to me) but
    >> they charge something for it.
    >> ROAMING - GSM roaming is seemless. Verizon roaming means you can still

    >place
    >> and receive calls but you lose basic features -- even things like

    >voicemail
    >> indication don't generally work when roaming.
    >> PHONES - no contest, AT&T wins, and will probably always win. Verizon has
    >> never carried any "cool" phones and probably never will. If Verizon had
    >> something like the T616, I'd change my mind.
    >> Don't jump to Verizon thinking they'll eventually carry a phone you like.
    >> I've been with them now for years, and I've never been pleased with their
    >> phone selection, and feel convinced it will never improve.
    >> COST - AT&T is cheaper in my area than Verizon. One could argue you get
    >> what you pay for.
    >>
    >> -Dan
    >>
    >> --
    >> Eugene, Oregon -- Pacific Northwest
    >> http://cell.uoregon.edu
    >>
    >>
    >> "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com> wrote in message
    >> news:e8mdnbFtkMfVAk3dRVn-hg@comcast.com...
    >> > My plan with AT&T expired and I'm looking to renew but was wondering if

    >I
    >> > should switch to Verizon as I've heard they're coverage is much better.

    >> But
    >> > I'm not impressed with the phones they have available. I'm also

    >thinking
    >> of
    >> > getting a Smart or PDA phone and AT&T just announced the Audiovox

    >PPC4100,
    >> > but I was reading that Verizon will be carrying the Audiovox PPC 5050
    >> > although Verizon hasn't and won't make any announcement on it yet.
    >> >
    >> > So I was wondering how people like Verizon, and if anyone has any

    >thoughts
    >> > on either of the Audiovox's?
    >> >
    >> > tia - Brian
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >>

    >
     
  19. I just moved my wife over to Verizon, which I have had for several
    years. Trying to call during the 5 pm time was a real hit and miss.
    Manly miss. Never had that problem with Verizon yet.



    On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:05:29 -0400, "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com>
    wrote:

    >Thanks for the input. Boston, btw.
    >
    >"Dan Albrich" <junkmail@shaney.uoregon.edui> wrote in message
    >news:jo2dnalJ2_U4QE3dRVn2sQ@comcast.com...
    >> Hello Brian-
    >>
    >> It's actually really important to mention where you are so that we can
    >> better help you. As much as people argue relentlessly over which is

    >better,
    >> the basic issue is that each company has its merits.
    >>
    >> Coverage wise, I do not agree that Verizon is better-- it all depends on
    >> where you work, live and travel. For example, Verizon has zero native
    >> coverage just south of Eugene until you get quite a ways into California.
    >> Verizon can roam, but coverage and features aren't ideal. AT&T has more
    >> native coverage in southern Oregon, and their GSM system provides

    >completely
    >> seemless roaming options and good coverage from here all the way down I5.
    >>
    >> I'm just giving you one specific example from my area to show you that
    >> depending on which location you refer to, Verizon may not be the best
    >> choice.
    >>
    >> Some biased info/opinion:
    >>
    >> CUSTOMER SERVICE wise, Verizon wins hands down (in my opinion).
    >> COVERAGE wise- it all depends. Study the maps, GSM coverage (sum in total)
    >> is less than either CDMA/analog or TDMA/analog so you need to study
    >> available coverage maps to understand if GSM works for you. [The winner

    >is
    >> which works best for you]
    >> DATA- Free data can be had on Verizon, but no data when roaming. AT&T has
    >> good data service that works even when you roam (very appealing to me) but
    >> they charge something for it.
    >> ROAMING - GSM roaming is seemless. Verizon roaming means you can still

    >place
    >> and receive calls but you lose basic features -- even things like

    >voicemail
    >> indication don't generally work when roaming.
    >> PHONES - no contest, AT&T wins, and will probably always win. Verizon has
    >> never carried any "cool" phones and probably never will. If Verizon had
    >> something like the T616, I'd change my mind.
    >> Don't jump to Verizon thinking they'll eventually carry a phone you like.
    >> I've been with them now for years, and I've never been pleased with their
    >> phone selection, and feel convinced it will never improve.
    >> COST - AT&T is cheaper in my area than Verizon. One could argue you get
    >> what you pay for.
    >>
    >> -Dan
    >>
    >> --
    >> Eugene, Oregon -- Pacific Northwest
    >> http://cell.uoregon.edu
    >>
    >>
    >> "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com> wrote in message
    >> news:e8mdnbFtkMfVAk3dRVn-hg@comcast.com...
    >> > My plan with AT&T expired and I'm looking to renew but was wondering if

    >I
    >> > should switch to Verizon as I've heard they're coverage is much better.

    >> But
    >> > I'm not impressed with the phones they have available. I'm also

    >thinking
    >> of
    >> > getting a Smart or PDA phone and AT&T just announced the Audiovox

    >PPC4100,
    >> > but I was reading that Verizon will be carrying the Audiovox PPC 5050
    >> > although Verizon hasn't and won't make any announcement on it yet.
    >> >
    >> > So I was wondering how people like Verizon, and if anyone has any

    >thoughts
    >> > on either of the Audiovox's?
    >> >
    >> > tia - Brian
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >>

    >
     
  20. I just moved my wife over to Verizon, which I have had for several
    years. Trying to call during the 5 pm time was a real hit and miss.
    Manly miss. Never had that problem with Verizon yet.



    On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:05:29 -0400, "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com>
    wrote:

    >Thanks for the input. Boston, btw.
    >
    >"Dan Albrich" <junkmail@shaney.uoregon.edui> wrote in message
    >news:jo2dnalJ2_U4QE3dRVn2sQ@comcast.com...
    >> Hello Brian-
    >>
    >> It's actually really important to mention where you are so that we can
    >> better help you. As much as people argue relentlessly over which is

    >better,
    >> the basic issue is that each company has its merits.
    >>
    >> Coverage wise, I do not agree that Verizon is better-- it all depends on
    >> where you work, live and travel. For example, Verizon has zero native
    >> coverage just south of Eugene until you get quite a ways into California.
    >> Verizon can roam, but coverage and features aren't ideal. AT&T has more
    >> native coverage in southern Oregon, and their GSM system provides

    >completely
    >> seemless roaming options and good coverage from here all the way down I5.
    >>
    >> I'm just giving you one specific example from my area to show you that
    >> depending on which location you refer to, Verizon may not be the best
    >> choice.
    >>
    >> Some biased info/opinion:
    >>
    >> CUSTOMER SERVICE wise, Verizon wins hands down (in my opinion).
    >> COVERAGE wise- it all depends. Study the maps, GSM coverage (sum in total)
    >> is less than either CDMA/analog or TDMA/analog so you need to study
    >> available coverage maps to understand if GSM works for you. [The winner

    >is
    >> which works best for you]
    >> DATA- Free data can be had on Verizon, but no data when roaming. AT&T has
    >> good data service that works even when you roam (very appealing to me) but
    >> they charge something for it.
    >> ROAMING - GSM roaming is seemless. Verizon roaming means you can still

    >place
    >> and receive calls but you lose basic features -- even things like

    >voicemail
    >> indication don't generally work when roaming.
    >> PHONES - no contest, AT&T wins, and will probably always win. Verizon has
    >> never carried any "cool" phones and probably never will. If Verizon had
    >> something like the T616, I'd change my mind.
    >> Don't jump to Verizon thinking they'll eventually carry a phone you like.
    >> I've been with them now for years, and I've never been pleased with their
    >> phone selection, and feel convinced it will never improve.
    >> COST - AT&T is cheaper in my area than Verizon. One could argue you get
    >> what you pay for.
    >>
    >> -Dan
    >>
    >> --
    >> Eugene, Oregon -- Pacific Northwest
    >> http://cell.uoregon.edu
    >>
    >>
    >> "Brian Grigg" <bgrigg@ursinfo.com> wrote in message
    >> news:e8mdnbFtkMfVAk3dRVn-hg@comcast.com...
    >> > My plan with AT&T expired and I'm looking to renew but was wondering if

    >I
    >> > should switch to Verizon as I've heard they're coverage is much better.

    >> But
    >> > I'm not impressed with the phones they have available. I'm also

    >thinking
    >> of
    >> > getting a Smart or PDA phone and AT&T just announced the Audiovox

    >PPC4100,
    >> > but I was reading that Verizon will be carrying the Audiovox PPC 5050
    >> > although Verizon hasn't and won't make any announcement on it yet.
    >> >
    >> > So I was wondering how people like Verizon, and if anyone has any

    >thoughts
    >> > on either of the Audiovox's?
    >> >
    >> > tia - Brian
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >>

    >
     

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