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ATT vs. Verizon

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Brian Grigg, Jun 16, 2004.

  1. David S

    David S Guest

    On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:34:15 GMT, "Jeremy" <jeremy@nospam.thanks.com> chose
    to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

    >If AT&T adds tons of customers, the revenue will help Sprint add additional
    >area to their network. And, if gaps in coverage are patched with roaming
    >agreements why should I care what carrier handles my call, just as long as
    >"THE CALL GOES THROUGH," as the old Bell Atlantic Mobile ads used to say?


    If AT&T adds tons of customers, Sprint will need to spend the money on
    increasing capacity in their existing footprint (which will probably have
    the effect of filling in many of the holes that happen to be there in
    various places -- every carrier has them).

    --
    David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
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  2. David S

    David S Guest

    On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:34:15 GMT, "Jeremy" <jeremy@nospam.thanks.com> chose
    to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

    >If AT&T adds tons of customers, the revenue will help Sprint add additional
    >area to their network. And, if gaps in coverage are patched with roaming
    >agreements why should I care what carrier handles my call, just as long as
    >"THE CALL GOES THROUGH," as the old Bell Atlantic Mobile ads used to say?


    If AT&T adds tons of customers, Sprint will need to spend the money on
    increasing capacity in their existing footprint (which will probably have
    the effect of filling in many of the holes that happen to be there in
    various places -- every carrier has them).

    --
    David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    "Toby! Come quick! Sam's gettin' his ass kicked by a girl." - Josh Lyman
    "Ginger, get the popcorn." - Toby Ziegler
     
  3. David S

    David S Guest

    On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:34:15 GMT, "Jeremy" <jeremy@nospam.thanks.com> chose
    to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

    >If AT&T adds tons of customers, the revenue will help Sprint add additional
    >area to their network. And, if gaps in coverage are patched with roaming
    >agreements why should I care what carrier handles my call, just as long as
    >"THE CALL GOES THROUGH," as the old Bell Atlantic Mobile ads used to say?


    If AT&T adds tons of customers, Sprint will need to spend the money on
    increasing capacity in their existing footprint (which will probably have
    the effect of filling in many of the holes that happen to be there in
    various places -- every carrier has them).

    --
    David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    "Toby! Come quick! Sam's gettin' his ass kicked by a girl." - Josh Lyman
    "Ginger, get the popcorn." - Toby Ziegler
     
  4. David S

    David S Guest

    On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:34:15 GMT, "Jeremy" <jeremy@nospam.thanks.com> chose
    to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

    >If AT&T adds tons of customers, the revenue will help Sprint add additional
    >area to their network. And, if gaps in coverage are patched with roaming
    >agreements why should I care what carrier handles my call, just as long as
    >"THE CALL GOES THROUGH," as the old Bell Atlantic Mobile ads used to say?


    If AT&T adds tons of customers, Sprint will need to spend the money on
    increasing capacity in their existing footprint (which will probably have
    the effect of filling in many of the holes that happen to be there in
    various places -- every carrier has them).

    --
    David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    "Toby! Come quick! Sam's gettin' his ass kicked by a girl." - Josh Lyman
    "Ginger, get the popcorn." - Toby Ziegler
     
  5. David S

    David S Guest

    On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:34:15 GMT, "Jeremy" <jeremy@nospam.thanks.com> chose
    to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

    >If AT&T adds tons of customers, the revenue will help Sprint add additional
    >area to their network. And, if gaps in coverage are patched with roaming
    >agreements why should I care what carrier handles my call, just as long as
    >"THE CALL GOES THROUGH," as the old Bell Atlantic Mobile ads used to say?


    If AT&T adds tons of customers, Sprint will need to spend the money on
    increasing capacity in their existing footprint (which will probably have
    the effect of filling in many of the holes that happen to be there in
    various places -- every carrier has them).

    --
    David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    "Toby! Come quick! Sam's gettin' his ass kicked by a girl." - Josh Lyman
    "Ginger, get the popcorn." - Toby Ziegler
     
  6. David S

    David S Guest

    On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:34:15 GMT, "Jeremy" <jeremy@nospam.thanks.com> chose
    to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

    >If AT&T adds tons of customers, the revenue will help Sprint add additional
    >area to their network. And, if gaps in coverage are patched with roaming
    >agreements why should I care what carrier handles my call, just as long as
    >"THE CALL GOES THROUGH," as the old Bell Atlantic Mobile ads used to say?


    If AT&T adds tons of customers, Sprint will need to spend the money on
    increasing capacity in their existing footprint (which will probably have
    the effect of filling in many of the holes that happen to be there in
    various places -- every carrier has them).

    --
    David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    "Toby! Come quick! Sam's gettin' his ass kicked by a girl." - Josh Lyman
    "Ginger, get the popcorn." - Toby Ziegler
     
  7. David S

    David S Guest

    On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:34:15 GMT, "Jeremy" <jeremy@nospam.thanks.com> chose
    to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

    >If AT&T adds tons of customers, the revenue will help Sprint add additional
    >area to their network. And, if gaps in coverage are patched with roaming
    >agreements why should I care what carrier handles my call, just as long as
    >"THE CALL GOES THROUGH," as the old Bell Atlantic Mobile ads used to say?


    If AT&T adds tons of customers, Sprint will need to spend the money on
    increasing capacity in their existing footprint (which will probably have
    the effect of filling in many of the holes that happen to be there in
    various places -- every carrier has them).

    --
    David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    "Toby! Come quick! Sam's gettin' his ass kicked by a girl." - Josh Lyman
    "Ginger, get the popcorn." - Toby Ziegler
     
  8. David S

    David S Guest

    On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:34:15 GMT, "Jeremy" <jeremy@nospam.thanks.com> chose
    to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

    >If AT&T adds tons of customers, the revenue will help Sprint add additional
    >area to their network. And, if gaps in coverage are patched with roaming
    >agreements why should I care what carrier handles my call, just as long as
    >"THE CALL GOES THROUGH," as the old Bell Atlantic Mobile ads used to say?


    If AT&T adds tons of customers, Sprint will need to spend the money on
    increasing capacity in their existing footprint (which will probably have
    the effect of filling in many of the holes that happen to be there in
    various places -- every carrier has them).

    --
    David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    "Toby! Come quick! Sam's gettin' his ass kicked by a girl." - Josh Lyman
    "Ginger, get the popcorn." - Toby Ziegler
     
  9. David S

    David S Guest

    On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:34:15 GMT, "Jeremy" <jeremy@nospam.thanks.com> chose
    to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

    >If AT&T adds tons of customers, the revenue will help Sprint add additional
    >area to their network. And, if gaps in coverage are patched with roaming
    >agreements why should I care what carrier handles my call, just as long as
    >"THE CALL GOES THROUGH," as the old Bell Atlantic Mobile ads used to say?


    If AT&T adds tons of customers, Sprint will need to spend the money on
    increasing capacity in their existing footprint (which will probably have
    the effect of filling in many of the holes that happen to be there in
    various places -- every carrier has them).

    --
    David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    "Toby! Come quick! Sam's gettin' his ass kicked by a girl." - Josh Lyman
    "Ginger, get the popcorn." - Toby Ziegler
     
  10. David S

    David S Guest

    On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:34:15 GMT, "Jeremy" <jeremy@nospam.thanks.com> chose
    to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

    >If AT&T adds tons of customers, the revenue will help Sprint add additional
    >area to their network. And, if gaps in coverage are patched with roaming
    >agreements why should I care what carrier handles my call, just as long as
    >"THE CALL GOES THROUGH," as the old Bell Atlantic Mobile ads used to say?


    If AT&T adds tons of customers, Sprint will need to spend the money on
    increasing capacity in their existing footprint (which will probably have
    the effect of filling in many of the holes that happen to be there in
    various places -- every carrier has them).

    --
    David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    "Toby! Come quick! Sam's gettin' his ass kicked by a girl." - Josh Lyman
    "Ginger, get the popcorn." - Toby Ziegler
     
  11. David S

    David S Guest

    On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:34:15 GMT, "Jeremy" <jeremy@nospam.thanks.com> chose
    to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

    >If AT&T adds tons of customers, the revenue will help Sprint add additional
    >area to their network. And, if gaps in coverage are patched with roaming
    >agreements why should I care what carrier handles my call, just as long as
    >"THE CALL GOES THROUGH," as the old Bell Atlantic Mobile ads used to say?


    If AT&T adds tons of customers, Sprint will need to spend the money on
    increasing capacity in their existing footprint (which will probably have
    the effect of filling in many of the holes that happen to be there in
    various places -- every carrier has them).

    --
    David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    "Toby! Come quick! Sam's gettin' his ass kicked by a girl." - Josh Lyman
    "Ginger, get the popcorn." - Toby Ziegler
     
  12. I doubt the 2g gsm network will ever be fully built, before it is
    switched to 3G WCDMA. I think the AT&T heads finally saw the light and
    cut their losses with the 2g gsm network and will be much better off
    with the 3G CDMA of Sprint PCS and Verizon.


    Jeremy wrote:
    > "David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message
    > news:6qlbd0l8v7um9ublj9vd3q18klhim7muqr@4ax.com...
    >
    >>On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:34:15 GMT, "Jeremy" <jeremy@nospam.thanks.com>

    >
    > chose
    >
    >>to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >>
    >>
    >>>If AT&T adds tons of customers, the revenue will help Sprint add

    >
    > additional
    >
    >>>area to their network. And, if gaps in coverage are patched with roaming
    >>>agreements why should I care what carrier handles my call, just as long

    >
    > as
    >
    >>>"THE CALL GOES THROUGH," as the old Bell Atlantic Mobile ads used to say?

    >>
    >>If AT&T adds tons of customers, Sprint will need to spend the money on
    >>increasing capacity in their existing footprint (which will probably have
    >>the effect of filling in many of the holes that happen to be there in
    >>various places -- every carrier has them).
    >>

    >
    >
    >
    > Exactly! Sprint will be able to internally finance their network buildout.
    > What is significant for AT&T is that they will have a ready-made network on
    > day #1. If they can arrange for roaming agreements to patch up the holes,
    > they can offer a really competitive service--especially if AT&T does not
    > charge roaming fees with their customers' home rate areas.
    >
    > That is what they did when they began building their TDMA digital network.
    > I often was handed off to other carriers, but I really didn't care, because
    > my calls went through. As time progressed, I began seeing the AT&T
    > indicator on my phone more than I saw "Extended Area" or "Roam."
    >
    > I think it was the GSM conversion that was one of the final nails in their
    > coffin--it was one thing for customers to put up with spotty service when
    > there were no alternatives--like in the analog days--but now customers could
    > simply go to another carrier like Verizon and get the coverage they needed,
    > while AT&T continued building their GSM network. I'll consider GSM after
    > the network is fully built.
    >
    > AT&T had the right idea by reselling Sprint, rather than starting from
    > scratch. Had they built their own network, they would be worse off than the
    > current ATTWS is now, with their GSM rollout.
    >
    >
     
  13. All of Sprint PCS' network is PCS CDMA. They do not have a analog
    network. None of Sprint PCS's network is cellular. Nationwide the
    number of people living where there is actual Verizon coverage, both PCS
    and cellular, is about the same as the number of people living where
    there is actual Sprint PCS coverage.


    CharlesH wrote:

    > In article <rmarkoff-7E9943.10504921062004@news02.east.earthlink.net>,
    > Røbert M. <rmarkoff@faq.cIty> wrote:
    >
    >>Holes? Most of Sprint's Network is Verizon Analog coverage. The rest is
    >>a spider web of digital coverage.

    >
    >
    > Doesn't SPCS now roam digitally where possible? They used to disable
    > cellular (850MHz) CDMA roaming on their phones (so they could set up
    > an "analog static" strawman, I would think), even if roaming partners
    > had perfectly good cellular CDMA in addition to the analog coverage.
    > But now I think most SPCS phones support cellular CDMA, and the SPCS
    > PRL will use it.
     
  14. On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:34:15 GMT, Jeremy wrote:

    > But I am thinking that the "new" ATTWS may offer plans that do not charge
    > for roaming--just like they did back in the TDMA heyday. I still have a
    > Digital One Rate Plan from back when the "real" AT&T operated ATTWS, and I
    > am NEVER charged a roaming fee, as long as my phone is on the air within amy
    > (very large) home rate area.
    >
    > What good is a phone that runs up unanticipated roaming charges? How can
    > one possible keep one's sanity when one does not know what the wireless bill
    > will be? What if one makes lots of "free" night & weekend calls, only to
    > discover that they are billed at a roaming rate?
    >
    > I have always valued the freedom from roaming charges as AT&T's most
    > important feature--and that is why I have remained on my old TDMA plan. I'm
    > not switching until they take my phone out of my cold, dead fingers!
    >
    > But if the "new" AT&T offers a roamfree solution, and unlimited n/w, I'd
    > switch if only to stay with AT&T. Who the hell wants to go with Cingular,
    > anyway?


    VZW has a National Single Rate plan like AT&Ts DOR.
     
  15. Jeremy

    Jeremy Guest

    "Traveling Man" <none@none.com> wrote in message
    news:hznby77z44vy.of7wh0ggs30r.dlg@40tude.net...
    >
    > VZW has a National Single Rate plan like AT&Ts DOR.


    I did see that, but it is higher than my $29.99/month rate from ATTWS. I
    get 500 anytime minutes, free n/w and free long distance. It is not a
    national plan, but my home area is huge--I'm in Philly, and the home area
    stretches from NH south to Northern VA, and from the Atlantic Ocean to the
    PA-OH border.

    My previous analog home area, by comparison, (Comcast Metrophone, later
    Cellular One) stretched only about 15 miles beyond the Philadelphia city
    line in any direction.

    I'd rate no roaming hassles and network reliability as the two most
    important criteria for me in selecting a wireless provider.

    With regard to Verizon, I've read that their customers often do not get the
    PCS feature delivery when they are out of their local area. No Voicemail
    indicator, no text message delivery, etc. If that is true, it is a real
    bummer.

    Only time I've lost those features is when I've been handed off to an analog
    system in rural areas, and as soon as I returned to a digital area--whether
    AT&T's or someone else's--I got all my PCS features back. I had assumed
    that all the other carriers were the same. Apparently that is not always
    the case.
     
  16. In alt.cellular.verizon Traveling Man <none@none.com> wrote:

    >> But if the "new" AT&T offers a roamfree solution, and unlimited n/w, I'd
    >> switch if only to stay with AT&T. Who the hell wants to go with Cingular,
    >> anyway?

    >
    > VZW has a National Single Rate plan like AT&Ts DOR.


    AT&T was just the pioneer in that area. Verizon, Alltel, Cingular all have
    similar plans.

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  17. In article <nUUBc.13940$Wr.6284@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
    Jerome Zelinske <jeromez1@earthlink.net> wrote:
    > I doubt the 2g gsm network will ever be fully built, before it is
    >switched to 3G WCDMA. I think the AT&T heads finally saw the light and
    >cut their losses with the 2g gsm network and will be much better off
    >with the 3G CDMA of Sprint PCS and Verizon.


    Well, UMTS isn't exactly the 3G CDMA of Sprint/Verizon...

    UMTS phones will all fall back to GSM for voice. Right now, given all the
    congestion problems on VZW, my AT&T GSM phone is actually working better
    than my VZW phone (it isn't the phone, I've tried several)

    Sprint - well, they don't have the coverage I need, so they aren't in
    the running for my business. I wish the CDMA carriers would get 1xRTT
    data roaming going. Right now, lack of 1xRTT data roaming is one
    thing that is keeping data coverage on Sprint and Verizon behind in
    terms of overall data coverage.
     
  18. CharlesH

    CharlesH Guest

    In article <nUUBc.13940$Wr.6284@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
    Jerome Zelinske <jeromez1@earthlink.net> wrote:
    > I doubt the 2g gsm network will ever be fully built, before it is
    >switched to 3G WCDMA. I think the AT&T heads finally saw the light and
    >cut their losses with the 2g gsm network and will be much better off
    >with the 3G CDMA of Sprint PCS and Verizon.


    AT&T Corporation, which is launching the "new" AT&T wireless as a Sprint
    reseller, is a completely unrelated to the current "AT&T Wireless" company
    which is merging with Cingular. Until the Sprint initiative launches,
    AT&T Corporation is not in the wireless business at all. "AT&T Wireless"
    simply licenses the "AT&T" name from AT&T Corporation. At one time they
    were the same company, but several years ago AT&T Corporation got rid
    of the wireless operation, as they did the cable TV operation.

    And they are really going to be able to explain this to the public??
    All of the the "old" AT&T Wireless customers, with their TDMA/GSM phones
    are going to be absorbed into Cingular, and the "new" <whatever it will
    be called> will sell Sprint-compatible PCS CDMA phones to its all-new
    customers. :-(
     
  19. Jeremy

    Jeremy Guest

    "CharlesH" <hoch@exemplary.invalid> wrote in message
    news:cb9tqn02t0r@news3.newsguy.com...

    > And they are really going to be able to explain this to the public??
    > All of the the "old" AT&T Wireless customers, with their TDMA/GSM phones
    > are going to be absorbed into Cingular


    One article I read quoted an AT&T executive as predicting that many of the
    current ATTWS customers will cancel with Cingular, after the merger, and
    will come back to their carrier of choice--AT&T.

    I just might be one of them. I'm waiting to see how the market shapes up.

    I have declined every ATTWS offer to switch me into a GSM plan (with its
    accompanying 2-year contractual requirement). I am on month-to-month,
    having fulfilled my one-year Digital One Rate Plan as of 12/31/03. There
    must be millions of ATTWS customers that are in the same position as I
    am--free to cancel without penalty whenever they please.

    I am sick of waiting for the GSM network to be finished, and I plan to stay
    with TDMA if I stay with Cingular. If I move to another carrier, it'll be
    Sprint (or ATT reselling Sprint) or Verizon. They are free to focus on
    improving their existing networks, not on replacing them. That leaves
    Cingular and T-Mobile off my short list.

    The only reason I stay with ATTWS now is that I have a good
    price--$29.99/line per month, with never a roaming charge. I could get a
    Verizon national one rate-type plan, but it is more expensive, would require
    purchase of new phones, and probably would entail a new two-year agreement.
    I think I'll just wait and see before I jump ship. What I've got works fine
    for right now.

    I am not at all pleased that ATTWS is being absorbed into Cingular. I
    thought ATTWS was really good before AT&T spun them off, and I am unhappy
    with the way that the new management has put such a low priority on customer
    service. They can blame the GSM buildout for only so much--the rest of
    their problems are self-inflicted.
     
  20. On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:18:29 GMT, Jeremy wrote:

    > "Traveling Man" <none@none.com> wrote in message
    > news:hznby77z44vy.of7wh0ggs30r.dlg@40tude.net...
    >>
    >> VZW has a National Single Rate plan like AT&Ts DOR.

    >
    > I did see that, but it is higher than my $29.99/month rate from ATTWS. I
    > get 500 anytime minutes, free n/w and free long distance. It is not a
    > national plan, but my home area is huge--I'm in Philly, and the home area
    > stretches from NH south to Northern VA, and from the Atlantic Ocean to the
    > PA-OH border.


    My wife still keeps her VZW Single Rate East plan, which is similar to
    yours, for the same reason. She also gets 3500 minutes of free nights and
    weekends. VZW doesn't offer it anymore.

    > My previous analog home area, by comparison, (Comcast Metrophone, later
    > Cellular One) stretched only about 15 miles beyond the Philadelphia city
    > line in any direction.
    >
    > I'd rate no roaming hassles and network reliability as the two most
    > important criteria for me in selecting a wireless provider.


    Me too. That's why I went to VZW's National Single Rate. More money, but
    no suprises! Since I travel a lot this is important. If I was a casual
    traveler I'd switch to the AC plan.

    > With regard to Verizon, I've read that their customers often do not get the
    > PCS feature delivery when they are out of their local area. No Voicemail
    > indicator, no text message delivery, etc. If that is true, it is a real
    > bummer.


    In some areas this is true, but I don't have any problems just about
    everywhere I travel through the USA's midwest, northeast, south through the
    Carolinas, and into Ontario.
     

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