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ATT vs. Verizon

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Brian Grigg, Jun 16, 2004.

  1. Jeremy

    Jeremy Guest

    "David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message
    news:loltd053b02v4pkp7ko1pejecho58765op@4ax.com...
    > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:08:47 GMT, "Jeremy" <jeremy@nospam.thanks.com>

    chose
    > to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    > >"David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message
    > >>
    > >> If it is still related, why on Earth would AT&T want to get into bed

    with
    > >> one of its biggest rivals?

    > >
    > >Sprint has excess capacity that it can sell to AT&T.
    > >
    > >Sprint will derive revenue from wholesaling to AT&T, rather than see

    AT&Ts
    > >customers making their calls on some other network.
    > >
    > >Sprint will have a 5-year deal where AT&T will not switch their customers

    to
    > >any other network, AT&T's or anyone else's.
    > >
    > >Sprint will earn revenue with which to continue building out their

    existing
    > >network.
    > >
    > >Sprint is already in the wireless wholesale business (they provide

    service
    > >for Virgin Mobile). If Sprint declined AT&T's business, chances are that
    > >some other carrier would take it--and Sprint would see the revenues go to
    > >someone else.
    > >
    > >Sprint will ensure that AT&T does not become an outright competitor for

    at
    > >least 5 years. Better for Sprint to get SOME of the revenue from AT&T's
    > >customers than to get NONE of it.

    >
    > All of which answers why Sprint would want to get in bed with AT&T. But my
    > question was why AT&T would want to get in bed with Sprint.
    >


    That part is simple: because AT&T needs to put customers on a network that
    is already built out. There is no way that they can start from scratch, and
    get any customers.

    The deal with Sprint runs 5 years. If AT&T wants to build a network of
    their own, they can do so while simultaneously building their customer base.

    I do not think it is feasible for any company to start building a new
    network now, because there are already established choices for consumers.
    It was easier to do it when digital was new. But who is going to leave
    their present carrier to go to some new one that will require years before
    they can offer decent coverage.

    There is also the issue of FCC licenses. Sprint is already up and running.
    There might not be any licenses available in many areas for a new carrier.

    Sometimes it makes more sense to "rent," rather than to "own."
     



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  2. Jeremy

    Jeremy Guest

    "David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message
    news:loltd053b02v4pkp7ko1pejecho58765op@4ax.com...
    > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:08:47 GMT, "Jeremy" <jeremy@nospam.thanks.com>

    chose
    > to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    > >"David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message
    > >>
    > >> If it is still related, why on Earth would AT&T want to get into bed

    with
    > >> one of its biggest rivals?

    > >
    > >Sprint has excess capacity that it can sell to AT&T.
    > >
    > >Sprint will derive revenue from wholesaling to AT&T, rather than see

    AT&Ts
    > >customers making their calls on some other network.
    > >
    > >Sprint will have a 5-year deal where AT&T will not switch their customers

    to
    > >any other network, AT&T's or anyone else's.
    > >
    > >Sprint will earn revenue with which to continue building out their

    existing
    > >network.
    > >
    > >Sprint is already in the wireless wholesale business (they provide

    service
    > >for Virgin Mobile). If Sprint declined AT&T's business, chances are that
    > >some other carrier would take it--and Sprint would see the revenues go to
    > >someone else.
    > >
    > >Sprint will ensure that AT&T does not become an outright competitor for

    at
    > >least 5 years. Better for Sprint to get SOME of the revenue from AT&T's
    > >customers than to get NONE of it.

    >
    > All of which answers why Sprint would want to get in bed with AT&T. But my
    > question was why AT&T would want to get in bed with Sprint.
    >


    That part is simple: because AT&T needs to put customers on a network that
    is already built out. There is no way that they can start from scratch, and
    get any customers.

    The deal with Sprint runs 5 years. If AT&T wants to build a network of
    their own, they can do so while simultaneously building their customer base.

    I do not think it is feasible for any company to start building a new
    network now, because there are already established choices for consumers.
    It was easier to do it when digital was new. But who is going to leave
    their present carrier to go to some new one that will require years before
    they can offer decent coverage.

    There is also the issue of FCC licenses. Sprint is already up and running.
    There might not be any licenses available in many areas for a new carrier.

    Sometimes it makes more sense to "rent," rather than to "own."
     
  3. Jeremy

    Jeremy Guest

    "David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message
    news:loltd053b02v4pkp7ko1pejecho58765op@4ax.com...
    > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:08:47 GMT, "Jeremy" <jeremy@nospam.thanks.com>

    chose
    > to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    > >"David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message
    > >>
    > >> If it is still related, why on Earth would AT&T want to get into bed

    with
    > >> one of its biggest rivals?

    > >
    > >Sprint has excess capacity that it can sell to AT&T.
    > >
    > >Sprint will derive revenue from wholesaling to AT&T, rather than see

    AT&Ts
    > >customers making their calls on some other network.
    > >
    > >Sprint will have a 5-year deal where AT&T will not switch their customers

    to
    > >any other network, AT&T's or anyone else's.
    > >
    > >Sprint will earn revenue with which to continue building out their

    existing
    > >network.
    > >
    > >Sprint is already in the wireless wholesale business (they provide

    service
    > >for Virgin Mobile). If Sprint declined AT&T's business, chances are that
    > >some other carrier would take it--and Sprint would see the revenues go to
    > >someone else.
    > >
    > >Sprint will ensure that AT&T does not become an outright competitor for

    at
    > >least 5 years. Better for Sprint to get SOME of the revenue from AT&T's
    > >customers than to get NONE of it.

    >
    > All of which answers why Sprint would want to get in bed with AT&T. But my
    > question was why AT&T would want to get in bed with Sprint.
    >


    That part is simple: because AT&T needs to put customers on a network that
    is already built out. There is no way that they can start from scratch, and
    get any customers.

    The deal with Sprint runs 5 years. If AT&T wants to build a network of
    their own, they can do so while simultaneously building their customer base.

    I do not think it is feasible for any company to start building a new
    network now, because there are already established choices for consumers.
    It was easier to do it when digital was new. But who is going to leave
    their present carrier to go to some new one that will require years before
    they can offer decent coverage.

    There is also the issue of FCC licenses. Sprint is already up and running.
    There might not be any licenses available in many areas for a new carrier.

    Sometimes it makes more sense to "rent," rather than to "own."
     
  4. * * Chas

    * * Chas Guest

    "Joseph" <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.NONOcom> wrote in message
    news:5ujld0l3qqm1pr53qfio9nvopagtro2ohu@4ax.com...
    > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:24:29 GMT, "* * Chas"

    <dnafutz@aol.spam.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >All I need is a phone that works like my old fashioned
    > >desktop phones that I use in my office.

    >
    > I'm afraid you'll be disappointed then. There's no

    wireless service
    > that even hopes to guarantee you that you'll get the same

    level of
    > service you get with a fixed wireline service (even in

    areas that were
    > served by the former GT&E.)


    I just signed up for Verizon and activated a Verizon Nokia
    6185 that I picked up a on eBay. What a difference over
    ATTWS! The people that I called today with the 6185 couldn't
    tell that I was on a Cell phone!

    I also have a new Nokia Verizon 3285 coming - I need 2
    phones anyway. I'm looking forward to getting the "new" 3285
    as it's supposed to be a much better phone than the 6185.

    At least 50% of my calls with ATTWS on the East and West
    Coast have "can you hear me now" problems or get dropped!
    That' completely unacceptable and I've been putting up with
    ATTWS for too many years because I've been waiting for
    technological advances that are always "just around the
    bend".

    My ATTWS goes to ROAM while I'm in my home. The signal is
    constantly fluctuating between 1 and 4 bars. The 6185 has
    been a constant 5 bars all day! Now that's acceptable.
    --
    Chas. verktyg@aol.spamski.com (Drop spamski to E-mail
    me)
     
  5. * * Chas

    * * Chas Guest

    "Joseph" <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.NONOcom> wrote in message
    news:5ujld0l3qqm1pr53qfio9nvopagtro2ohu@4ax.com...
    > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:24:29 GMT, "* * Chas"

    <dnafutz@aol.spam.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >All I need is a phone that works like my old fashioned
    > >desktop phones that I use in my office.

    >
    > I'm afraid you'll be disappointed then. There's no

    wireless service
    > that even hopes to guarantee you that you'll get the same

    level of
    > service you get with a fixed wireline service (even in

    areas that were
    > served by the former GT&E.)


    I just signed up for Verizon and activated a Verizon Nokia
    6185 that I picked up a on eBay. What a difference over
    ATTWS! The people that I called today with the 6185 couldn't
    tell that I was on a Cell phone!

    I also have a new Nokia Verizon 3285 coming - I need 2
    phones anyway. I'm looking forward to getting the "new" 3285
    as it's supposed to be a much better phone than the 6185.

    At least 50% of my calls with ATTWS on the East and West
    Coast have "can you hear me now" problems or get dropped!
    That' completely unacceptable and I've been putting up with
    ATTWS for too many years because I've been waiting for
    technological advances that are always "just around the
    bend".

    My ATTWS goes to ROAM while I'm in my home. The signal is
    constantly fluctuating between 1 and 4 bars. The 6185 has
    been a constant 5 bars all day! Now that's acceptable.
    --
    Chas. verktyg@aol.spamski.com (Drop spamski to E-mail
    me)
     
  6. * * Chas

    * * Chas Guest

    "Joseph" <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.NONOcom> wrote in message
    news:5ujld0l3qqm1pr53qfio9nvopagtro2ohu@4ax.com...
    > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:24:29 GMT, "* * Chas"

    <dnafutz@aol.spam.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >All I need is a phone that works like my old fashioned
    > >desktop phones that I use in my office.

    >
    > I'm afraid you'll be disappointed then. There's no

    wireless service
    > that even hopes to guarantee you that you'll get the same

    level of
    > service you get with a fixed wireline service (even in

    areas that were
    > served by the former GT&E.)


    I just signed up for Verizon and activated a Verizon Nokia
    6185 that I picked up a on eBay. What a difference over
    ATTWS! The people that I called today with the 6185 couldn't
    tell that I was on a Cell phone!

    I also have a new Nokia Verizon 3285 coming - I need 2
    phones anyway. I'm looking forward to getting the "new" 3285
    as it's supposed to be a much better phone than the 6185.

    At least 50% of my calls with ATTWS on the East and West
    Coast have "can you hear me now" problems or get dropped!
    That' completely unacceptable and I've been putting up with
    ATTWS for too many years because I've been waiting for
    technological advances that are always "just around the
    bend".

    My ATTWS goes to ROAM while I'm in my home. The signal is
    constantly fluctuating between 1 and 4 bars. The 6185 has
    been a constant 5 bars all day! Now that's acceptable.
    --
    Chas. verktyg@aol.spamski.com (Drop spamski to E-mail
    me)
     
  7. * * Chas

    * * Chas Guest

    "Joseph" <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.NONOcom> wrote in message
    news:5ujld0l3qqm1pr53qfio9nvopagtro2ohu@4ax.com...
    > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:24:29 GMT, "* * Chas"

    <dnafutz@aol.spam.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >All I need is a phone that works like my old fashioned
    > >desktop phones that I use in my office.

    >
    > I'm afraid you'll be disappointed then. There's no

    wireless service
    > that even hopes to guarantee you that you'll get the same

    level of
    > service you get with a fixed wireline service (even in

    areas that were
    > served by the former GT&E.)


    I just signed up for Verizon and activated a Verizon Nokia
    6185 that I picked up a on eBay. What a difference over
    ATTWS! The people that I called today with the 6185 couldn't
    tell that I was on a Cell phone!

    I also have a new Nokia Verizon 3285 coming - I need 2
    phones anyway. I'm looking forward to getting the "new" 3285
    as it's supposed to be a much better phone than the 6185.

    At least 50% of my calls with ATTWS on the East and West
    Coast have "can you hear me now" problems or get dropped!
    That' completely unacceptable and I've been putting up with
    ATTWS for too many years because I've been waiting for
    technological advances that are always "just around the
    bend".

    My ATTWS goes to ROAM while I'm in my home. The signal is
    constantly fluctuating between 1 and 4 bars. The 6185 has
    been a constant 5 bars all day! Now that's acceptable.
    --
    Chas. verktyg@aol.spamski.com (Drop spamski to E-mail
    me)
     
  8. * * Chas

    * * Chas Guest

    "Joseph" <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.NONOcom> wrote in message
    news:5ujld0l3qqm1pr53qfio9nvopagtro2ohu@4ax.com...
    > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:24:29 GMT, "* * Chas"

    <dnafutz@aol.spam.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >All I need is a phone that works like my old fashioned
    > >desktop phones that I use in my office.

    >
    > I'm afraid you'll be disappointed then. There's no

    wireless service
    > that even hopes to guarantee you that you'll get the same

    level of
    > service you get with a fixed wireline service (even in

    areas that were
    > served by the former GT&E.)


    I just signed up for Verizon and activated a Verizon Nokia
    6185 that I picked up a on eBay. What a difference over
    ATTWS! The people that I called today with the 6185 couldn't
    tell that I was on a Cell phone!

    I also have a new Nokia Verizon 3285 coming - I need 2
    phones anyway. I'm looking forward to getting the "new" 3285
    as it's supposed to be a much better phone than the 6185.

    At least 50% of my calls with ATTWS on the East and West
    Coast have "can you hear me now" problems or get dropped!
    That' completely unacceptable and I've been putting up with
    ATTWS for too many years because I've been waiting for
    technological advances that are always "just around the
    bend".

    My ATTWS goes to ROAM while I'm in my home. The signal is
    constantly fluctuating between 1 and 4 bars. The 6185 has
    been a constant 5 bars all day! Now that's acceptable.
    --
    Chas. verktyg@aol.spamski.com (Drop spamski to E-mail
    me)
     
  9. Louise

    Louise Guest

    In article <0vydnbUKS-Glr3_dRVn-sA@comcast.com>, dnafutz@aol.spam.com
    says...
    > "Joseph" <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.NONOcom> wrote in message
    > news:5ujld0l3qqm1pr53qfio9nvopagtro2ohu@4ax.com...
    > > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:24:29 GMT, "* * Chas"

    > <dnafutz@aol.spam.com>
    > > wrote:
    > >
    > > >All I need is a phone that works like my old fashioned
    > > >desktop phones that I use in my office.

    > >
    > > I'm afraid you'll be disappointed then. There's no

    > wireless service
    > > that even hopes to guarantee you that you'll get the same

    > level of
    > > service you get with a fixed wireline service (even in

    > areas that were
    > > served by the former GT&E.)

    >
    > I just signed up for Verizon and activated a Verizon Nokia
    > 6185 that I picked up a on eBay. What a difference over
    > ATTWS! The people that I called today with the 6185 couldn't
    > tell that I was on a Cell phone!
    >
    > I also have a new Nokia Verizon 3285 coming - I need 2
    > phones anyway. I'm looking forward to getting the "new" 3285
    > as it's supposed to be a much better phone than the 6185.
    >
    > At least 50% of my calls with ATTWS on the East and West
    > Coast have "can you hear me now" problems or get dropped!
    > That' completely unacceptable and I've been putting up with
    > ATTWS for too many years because I've been waiting for
    > technological advances that are always "just around the
    > bend".
    >
    > My ATTWS goes to ROAM while I'm in my home. The signal is
    > constantly fluctuating between 1 and 4 bars. The 6185 has
    > been a constant 5 bars all day! Now that's acceptable.
    > --
    > Chas. verktyg@aol.spamski.com (Drop spamski to E-mail
    > me)
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >

    what part of the country are you in?

    Louise
     
  10. Louise

    Louise Guest

    In article <0vydnbUKS-Glr3_dRVn-sA@comcast.com>, dnafutz@aol.spam.com
    says...
    > "Joseph" <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.NONOcom> wrote in message
    > news:5ujld0l3qqm1pr53qfio9nvopagtro2ohu@4ax.com...
    > > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:24:29 GMT, "* * Chas"

    > <dnafutz@aol.spam.com>
    > > wrote:
    > >
    > > >All I need is a phone that works like my old fashioned
    > > >desktop phones that I use in my office.

    > >
    > > I'm afraid you'll be disappointed then. There's no

    > wireless service
    > > that even hopes to guarantee you that you'll get the same

    > level of
    > > service you get with a fixed wireline service (even in

    > areas that were
    > > served by the former GT&E.)

    >
    > I just signed up for Verizon and activated a Verizon Nokia
    > 6185 that I picked up a on eBay. What a difference over
    > ATTWS! The people that I called today with the 6185 couldn't
    > tell that I was on a Cell phone!
    >
    > I also have a new Nokia Verizon 3285 coming - I need 2
    > phones anyway. I'm looking forward to getting the "new" 3285
    > as it's supposed to be a much better phone than the 6185.
    >
    > At least 50% of my calls with ATTWS on the East and West
    > Coast have "can you hear me now" problems or get dropped!
    > That' completely unacceptable and I've been putting up with
    > ATTWS for too many years because I've been waiting for
    > technological advances that are always "just around the
    > bend".
    >
    > My ATTWS goes to ROAM while I'm in my home. The signal is
    > constantly fluctuating between 1 and 4 bars. The 6185 has
    > been a constant 5 bars all day! Now that's acceptable.
    > --
    > Chas. verktyg@aol.spamski.com (Drop spamski to E-mail
    > me)
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >

    what part of the country are you in?

    Louise
     
  11. Louise

    Louise Guest

    In article <0vydnbUKS-Glr3_dRVn-sA@comcast.com>, dnafutz@aol.spam.com
    says...
    > "Joseph" <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.NONOcom> wrote in message
    > news:5ujld0l3qqm1pr53qfio9nvopagtro2ohu@4ax.com...
    > > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:24:29 GMT, "* * Chas"

    > <dnafutz@aol.spam.com>
    > > wrote:
    > >
    > > >All I need is a phone that works like my old fashioned
    > > >desktop phones that I use in my office.

    > >
    > > I'm afraid you'll be disappointed then. There's no

    > wireless service
    > > that even hopes to guarantee you that you'll get the same

    > level of
    > > service you get with a fixed wireline service (even in

    > areas that were
    > > served by the former GT&E.)

    >
    > I just signed up for Verizon and activated a Verizon Nokia
    > 6185 that I picked up a on eBay. What a difference over
    > ATTWS! The people that I called today with the 6185 couldn't
    > tell that I was on a Cell phone!
    >
    > I also have a new Nokia Verizon 3285 coming - I need 2
    > phones anyway. I'm looking forward to getting the "new" 3285
    > as it's supposed to be a much better phone than the 6185.
    >
    > At least 50% of my calls with ATTWS on the East and West
    > Coast have "can you hear me now" problems or get dropped!
    > That' completely unacceptable and I've been putting up with
    > ATTWS for too many years because I've been waiting for
    > technological advances that are always "just around the
    > bend".
    >
    > My ATTWS goes to ROAM while I'm in my home. The signal is
    > constantly fluctuating between 1 and 4 bars. The 6185 has
    > been a constant 5 bars all day! Now that's acceptable.
    > --
    > Chas. verktyg@aol.spamski.com (Drop spamski to E-mail
    > me)
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >

    what part of the country are you in?

    Louise
     
  12. Louise

    Louise Guest

    In article <0vydnbUKS-Glr3_dRVn-sA@comcast.com>, dnafutz@aol.spam.com
    says...
    > "Joseph" <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.NONOcom> wrote in message
    > news:5ujld0l3qqm1pr53qfio9nvopagtro2ohu@4ax.com...
    > > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:24:29 GMT, "* * Chas"

    > <dnafutz@aol.spam.com>
    > > wrote:
    > >
    > > >All I need is a phone that works like my old fashioned
    > > >desktop phones that I use in my office.

    > >
    > > I'm afraid you'll be disappointed then. There's no

    > wireless service
    > > that even hopes to guarantee you that you'll get the same

    > level of
    > > service you get with a fixed wireline service (even in

    > areas that were
    > > served by the former GT&E.)

    >
    > I just signed up for Verizon and activated a Verizon Nokia
    > 6185 that I picked up a on eBay. What a difference over
    > ATTWS! The people that I called today with the 6185 couldn't
    > tell that I was on a Cell phone!
    >
    > I also have a new Nokia Verizon 3285 coming - I need 2
    > phones anyway. I'm looking forward to getting the "new" 3285
    > as it's supposed to be a much better phone than the 6185.
    >
    > At least 50% of my calls with ATTWS on the East and West
    > Coast have "can you hear me now" problems or get dropped!
    > That' completely unacceptable and I've been putting up with
    > ATTWS for too many years because I've been waiting for
    > technological advances that are always "just around the
    > bend".
    >
    > My ATTWS goes to ROAM while I'm in my home. The signal is
    > constantly fluctuating between 1 and 4 bars. The 6185 has
    > been a constant 5 bars all day! Now that's acceptable.
    > --
    > Chas. verktyg@aol.spamski.com (Drop spamski to E-mail
    > me)
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >

    what part of the country are you in?

    Louise
     
  13. Louise

    Louise Guest

    In article <0vydnbUKS-Glr3_dRVn-sA@comcast.com>, dnafutz@aol.spam.com
    says...
    > "Joseph" <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.NONOcom> wrote in message
    > news:5ujld0l3qqm1pr53qfio9nvopagtro2ohu@4ax.com...
    > > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:24:29 GMT, "* * Chas"

    > <dnafutz@aol.spam.com>
    > > wrote:
    > >
    > > >All I need is a phone that works like my old fashioned
    > > >desktop phones that I use in my office.

    > >
    > > I'm afraid you'll be disappointed then. There's no

    > wireless service
    > > that even hopes to guarantee you that you'll get the same

    > level of
    > > service you get with a fixed wireline service (even in

    > areas that were
    > > served by the former GT&E.)

    >
    > I just signed up for Verizon and activated a Verizon Nokia
    > 6185 that I picked up a on eBay. What a difference over
    > ATTWS! The people that I called today with the 6185 couldn't
    > tell that I was on a Cell phone!
    >
    > I also have a new Nokia Verizon 3285 coming - I need 2
    > phones anyway. I'm looking forward to getting the "new" 3285
    > as it's supposed to be a much better phone than the 6185.
    >
    > At least 50% of my calls with ATTWS on the East and West
    > Coast have "can you hear me now" problems or get dropped!
    > That' completely unacceptable and I've been putting up with
    > ATTWS for too many years because I've been waiting for
    > technological advances that are always "just around the
    > bend".
    >
    > My ATTWS goes to ROAM while I'm in my home. The signal is
    > constantly fluctuating between 1 and 4 bars. The 6185 has
    > been a constant 5 bars all day! Now that's acceptable.
    > --
    > Chas. verktyg@aol.spamski.com (Drop spamski to E-mail
    > me)
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >

    what part of the country are you in?

    Louise
     
  14. * * Chas

    * * Chas Guest

    "Louise" <none@nospam.com> wrote in message
    news:MPG.1b4c1a1459e20df19896bf@news-server.nyc.rr.com...
    > In article <0vydnbUKS-Glr3_dRVn-sA@comcast.com>,

    dnafutz@aol.spam.com
    > says...
    > > "Joseph" <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.NONOcom> wrote in message
    > > news:5ujld0l3qqm1pr53qfio9nvopagtro2ohu@4ax.com...
    > > > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:24:29 GMT, "* * Chas"

    > > <dnafutz@aol.spam.com>

    <snip>
    > > I just signed up for Verizon and activated a Verizon

    Nokia
    > > 6185 that I picked up a on eBay. What a difference over
    > > ATTWS! The people that I called today with the 6185

    couldn't
    > > tell that I was on a Cell phone!
    > >
    > > I also have a new Nokia Verizon 3285 coming - I need 2
    > > phones anyway. I'm looking forward to getting the "new"

    3285
    > > as it's supposed to be a much better phone than the

    6185.
    > >
    > > At least 50% of my calls with ATTWS on the East and West
    > > Coast have "can you hear me now" problems or get

    dropped!
    > > That' completely unacceptable and I've been putting up

    with
    > > ATTWS for too many years because I've been waiting for
    > > technological advances that are always "just around the
    > > bend".
    > >
    > > My ATTWS goes to ROAM while I'm in my home. The signal

    is
    > > constantly fluctuating between 1 and 4 bars. The 6185

    has
    > > been a constant 5 bars all day! Now that's acceptable.
    > >


    > what part of the country are you in?
    >
    > Louise


    SF Bay Area, Northern CA.
     
  15. * * Chas

    * * Chas Guest

    "Louise" <none@nospam.com> wrote in message
    news:MPG.1b4c1a1459e20df19896bf@news-server.nyc.rr.com...
    > In article <0vydnbUKS-Glr3_dRVn-sA@comcast.com>,

    dnafutz@aol.spam.com
    > says...
    > > "Joseph" <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.NONOcom> wrote in message
    > > news:5ujld0l3qqm1pr53qfio9nvopagtro2ohu@4ax.com...
    > > > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:24:29 GMT, "* * Chas"

    > > <dnafutz@aol.spam.com>

    <snip>
    > > I just signed up for Verizon and activated a Verizon

    Nokia
    > > 6185 that I picked up a on eBay. What a difference over
    > > ATTWS! The people that I called today with the 6185

    couldn't
    > > tell that I was on a Cell phone!
    > >
    > > I also have a new Nokia Verizon 3285 coming - I need 2
    > > phones anyway. I'm looking forward to getting the "new"

    3285
    > > as it's supposed to be a much better phone than the

    6185.
    > >
    > > At least 50% of my calls with ATTWS on the East and West
    > > Coast have "can you hear me now" problems or get

    dropped!
    > > That' completely unacceptable and I've been putting up

    with
    > > ATTWS for too many years because I've been waiting for
    > > technological advances that are always "just around the
    > > bend".
    > >
    > > My ATTWS goes to ROAM while I'm in my home. The signal

    is
    > > constantly fluctuating between 1 and 4 bars. The 6185

    has
    > > been a constant 5 bars all day! Now that's acceptable.
    > >


    > what part of the country are you in?
    >
    > Louise


    SF Bay Area, Northern CA.
     
  16. * * Chas

    * * Chas Guest

    "Louise" <none@nospam.com> wrote in message
    news:MPG.1b4c1a1459e20df19896bf@news-server.nyc.rr.com...
    > In article <0vydnbUKS-Glr3_dRVn-sA@comcast.com>,

    dnafutz@aol.spam.com
    > says...
    > > "Joseph" <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.NONOcom> wrote in message
    > > news:5ujld0l3qqm1pr53qfio9nvopagtro2ohu@4ax.com...
    > > > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:24:29 GMT, "* * Chas"

    > > <dnafutz@aol.spam.com>

    <snip>
    > > I just signed up for Verizon and activated a Verizon

    Nokia
    > > 6185 that I picked up a on eBay. What a difference over
    > > ATTWS! The people that I called today with the 6185

    couldn't
    > > tell that I was on a Cell phone!
    > >
    > > I also have a new Nokia Verizon 3285 coming - I need 2
    > > phones anyway. I'm looking forward to getting the "new"

    3285
    > > as it's supposed to be a much better phone than the

    6185.
    > >
    > > At least 50% of my calls with ATTWS on the East and West
    > > Coast have "can you hear me now" problems or get

    dropped!
    > > That' completely unacceptable and I've been putting up

    with
    > > ATTWS for too many years because I've been waiting for
    > > technological advances that are always "just around the
    > > bend".
    > >
    > > My ATTWS goes to ROAM while I'm in my home. The signal

    is
    > > constantly fluctuating between 1 and 4 bars. The 6185

    has
    > > been a constant 5 bars all day! Now that's acceptable.
    > >


    > what part of the country are you in?
    >
    > Louise


    SF Bay Area, Northern CA.
     
  17. * * Chas

    * * Chas Guest

    "Louise" <none@nospam.com> wrote in message
    news:MPG.1b4c1a1459e20df19896bf@news-server.nyc.rr.com...
    > In article <0vydnbUKS-Glr3_dRVn-sA@comcast.com>,

    dnafutz@aol.spam.com
    > says...
    > > "Joseph" <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.NONOcom> wrote in message
    > > news:5ujld0l3qqm1pr53qfio9nvopagtro2ohu@4ax.com...
    > > > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:24:29 GMT, "* * Chas"

    > > <dnafutz@aol.spam.com>

    <snip>
    > > I just signed up for Verizon and activated a Verizon

    Nokia
    > > 6185 that I picked up a on eBay. What a difference over
    > > ATTWS! The people that I called today with the 6185

    couldn't
    > > tell that I was on a Cell phone!
    > >
    > > I also have a new Nokia Verizon 3285 coming - I need 2
    > > phones anyway. I'm looking forward to getting the "new"

    3285
    > > as it's supposed to be a much better phone than the

    6185.
    > >
    > > At least 50% of my calls with ATTWS on the East and West
    > > Coast have "can you hear me now" problems or get

    dropped!
    > > That' completely unacceptable and I've been putting up

    with
    > > ATTWS for too many years because I've been waiting for
    > > technological advances that are always "just around the
    > > bend".
    > >
    > > My ATTWS goes to ROAM while I'm in my home. The signal

    is
    > > constantly fluctuating between 1 and 4 bars. The 6185

    has
    > > been a constant 5 bars all day! Now that's acceptable.
    > >


    > what part of the country are you in?
    >
    > Louise


    SF Bay Area, Northern CA.
     
  18. * * Chas

    * * Chas Guest

    "Louise" <none@nospam.com> wrote in message
    news:MPG.1b4c1a1459e20df19896bf@news-server.nyc.rr.com...
    > In article <0vydnbUKS-Glr3_dRVn-sA@comcast.com>,

    dnafutz@aol.spam.com
    > says...
    > > "Joseph" <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.NONOcom> wrote in message
    > > news:5ujld0l3qqm1pr53qfio9nvopagtro2ohu@4ax.com...
    > > > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:24:29 GMT, "* * Chas"

    > > <dnafutz@aol.spam.com>

    <snip>
    > > I just signed up for Verizon and activated a Verizon

    Nokia
    > > 6185 that I picked up a on eBay. What a difference over
    > > ATTWS! The people that I called today with the 6185

    couldn't
    > > tell that I was on a Cell phone!
    > >
    > > I also have a new Nokia Verizon 3285 coming - I need 2
    > > phones anyway. I'm looking forward to getting the "new"

    3285
    > > as it's supposed to be a much better phone than the

    6185.
    > >
    > > At least 50% of my calls with ATTWS on the East and West
    > > Coast have "can you hear me now" problems or get

    dropped!
    > > That' completely unacceptable and I've been putting up

    with
    > > ATTWS for too many years because I've been waiting for
    > > technological advances that are always "just around the
    > > bend".
    > >
    > > My ATTWS goes to ROAM while I'm in my home. The signal

    is
    > > constantly fluctuating between 1 and 4 bars. The 6185

    has
    > > been a constant 5 bars all day! Now that's acceptable.
    > >


    > what part of the country are you in?
    >
    > Louise


    SF Bay Area, Northern CA.
     
  19. Louise

    Louise Guest

    In article <jIadnWUW5KvPin7dRVn-uA@comcast.com>, dnafutz@aol.spam.com
    says...
    >
    > "Louise" <none@nospam.com> wrote in message
    > news:MPG.1b4c1a1459e20df19896bf@news-server.nyc.rr.com...
    > > In article <0vydnbUKS-Glr3_dRVn-sA@comcast.com>,

    > dnafutz@aol.spam.com
    > > says...
    > > > "Joseph" <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.NONOcom> wrote in message
    > > > news:5ujld0l3qqm1pr53qfio9nvopagtro2ohu@4ax.com...
    > > > > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:24:29 GMT, "* * Chas"
    > > > <dnafutz@aol.spam.com>

    > <snip>
    > > > I just signed up for Verizon and activated a Verizon

    > Nokia
    > > > 6185 that I picked up a on eBay. What a difference over
    > > > ATTWS! The people that I called today with the 6185

    > couldn't
    > > > tell that I was on a Cell phone!
    > > >
    > > > I also have a new Nokia Verizon 3285 coming - I need 2
    > > > phones anyway. I'm looking forward to getting the "new"

    > 3285
    > > > as it's supposed to be a much better phone than the

    > 6185.
    > > >
    > > > At least 50% of my calls with ATTWS on the East and West
    > > > Coast have "can you hear me now" problems or get

    > dropped!
    > > > That' completely unacceptable and I've been putting up

    > with
    > > > ATTWS for too many years because I've been waiting for
    > > > technological advances that are always "just around the
    > > > bend".
    > > >
    > > > My ATTWS goes to ROAM while I'm in my home. The signal

    > is
    > > > constantly fluctuating between 1 and 4 bars. The 6185

    > has
    > > > been a constant 5 bars all day! Now that's acceptable.
    > > >

    >
    > > what part of the country are you in?
    > >
    > > Louise

    >
    > SF Bay Area, Northern CA.
    >
    >
    >

    Interesting - my daughter has VZ with the same VX4400 that I have. She
    lives in SF (mission district) and gets pretty good reception. BUT, she
    works in Berkley and signal strength is spotty with a great number of
    dropped calls and lots of voice breakup.

    Do you think the Nokia would be noticeably better at holding a signal?

    Louise
     
  20. Louise

    Louise Guest

    In article <jIadnWUW5KvPin7dRVn-uA@comcast.com>, dnafutz@aol.spam.com
    says...
    >
    > "Louise" <none@nospam.com> wrote in message
    > news:MPG.1b4c1a1459e20df19896bf@news-server.nyc.rr.com...
    > > In article <0vydnbUKS-Glr3_dRVn-sA@comcast.com>,

    > dnafutz@aol.spam.com
    > > says...
    > > > "Joseph" <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.NONOcom> wrote in message
    > > > news:5ujld0l3qqm1pr53qfio9nvopagtro2ohu@4ax.com...
    > > > > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:24:29 GMT, "* * Chas"
    > > > <dnafutz@aol.spam.com>

    > <snip>
    > > > I just signed up for Verizon and activated a Verizon

    > Nokia
    > > > 6185 that I picked up a on eBay. What a difference over
    > > > ATTWS! The people that I called today with the 6185

    > couldn't
    > > > tell that I was on a Cell phone!
    > > >
    > > > I also have a new Nokia Verizon 3285 coming - I need 2
    > > > phones anyway. I'm looking forward to getting the "new"

    > 3285
    > > > as it's supposed to be a much better phone than the

    > 6185.
    > > >
    > > > At least 50% of my calls with ATTWS on the East and West
    > > > Coast have "can you hear me now" problems or get

    > dropped!
    > > > That' completely unacceptable and I've been putting up

    > with
    > > > ATTWS for too many years because I've been waiting for
    > > > technological advances that are always "just around the
    > > > bend".
    > > >
    > > > My ATTWS goes to ROAM while I'm in my home. The signal

    > is
    > > > constantly fluctuating between 1 and 4 bars. The 6185

    > has
    > > > been a constant 5 bars all day! Now that's acceptable.
    > > >

    >
    > > what part of the country are you in?
    > >
    > > Louise

    >
    > SF Bay Area, Northern CA.
    >
    >
    >

    Interesting - my daughter has VZ with the same VX4400 that I have. She
    lives in SF (mission district) and gets pretty good reception. BUT, she
    works in Berkley and signal strength is spotty with a great number of
    dropped calls and lots of voice breakup.

    Do you think the Nokia would be noticeably better at holding a signal?

    Louise
     

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