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Best deal for a low user?

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by SMS, Feb 7, 2007.

  1. SMS

    SMS Guest

    Jennifer Hammond wrote:

    > Thanks for the link. The chart is really helpful.
    >
    > It would appear that virgin deal i mentioned above is the best deal as this
    > works out at $6.60 per month although calls are expensive at 0.50c per
    > minute.
    >
    > I have been trying to find Deans deal of $2.50 per month, and 14c per
    > minute. But cannot work out how to get this or who this is with. Any idea
    > what he means?


    The problems with Virgin go beyond the cost. They use Sprint's network,
    but no roaming off Sprint's network is permitted, either onto other CDMA
    networks, or onto AMPS. This severely limits Virgin's coverage in the
    U.S.. If you never leave the core of the metropolitan areas it's okay.

    Pageplus is by far the best deal for the low user. I have two phones on
    it now. The coverage is superb. Pageplus is definitely a low-budget
    operation, so it's a slight hassle to get started, and their web site is
    not great. You have to add a minimum of $10 every four months. Each call
    costs 14¢ per minute, plus they deduct 50¢ per month. You can use any
    CDMA phone that works with Verizon, including Verizon InPulse phones
    that you can buy at stores like Target and Smarty-Mart.

    See "http://www.pagepluscellular.com/"

    Page Plus Web site issues
    -------------------------
    The $80 "card" is not available, even though it's on their site. You can
    click on "Buy Now" but it won't go into your cart. I could not get my
    Visa card to work on their site. Discover worked. Even though American
    Express shows up as a payment choice at checkout, they actually don't
    accept American Express. The cards are good for 120 days, though this
    isn't stated on the web site. Unused minutes roll over when you add more
    time, also not stated on the site.

    The only plan with a lower yearly minimum is 7-11's SpeakOut, at
    20¢/minute. They charge $1 or $1.25 per month, and you have to add $25
    per year. Roaming is allowed at extra cost. No web site, you have to buy
    time at a 7-11, or over the phone. You have to buy a phone at 7-11, they
    won't just sell you a SIM card.

    T-Mobile costs 10¢/minute if you buy 1000 minutes, and after that you
    only have to add time once per year, and you can add as little as $10.
    Unfortunately, T-Mobile has similar problems to Virgin, you can roam,
    but not onto any 800 MHz GSM networks, only 1900 MHz GSM networks.
     



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  2. Todd Allcock

    Todd Allcock Guest

    At 07 Feb 2007 08:00:33 -0800 SMS wrote:

    > T-Mobile costs 10¢/minute if you buy 1000 minutes, and after that you
    > only have to add time once per year, and you can add as little as $10.
    > Unfortunately, T-Mobile has similar problems to Virgin, you can roam,

    but
    > not onto any 800 MHz GSM networks, only 1900 MHz GSM networks.


    Just to nit-pick your very informative post, T-Mobile prepaid has been
    roaming onto 800-MHz for almost a year now, despite the "no 850 roaming"
    disclaimer on the T-Mo website. The prepaid coverage map even indicates
    the 850 roaming areas (with a different color pattern than 1900 roaming)
    while a sidebar on the same webpage exclaims 850 MHZ roaming is
    unavailable to prepaid users!

    However, prepaid roamers do not have access to all of the roaming
    partners that T-Mo contract customers have, nor is any T-Mo coverage,
    prepaid or contract, close to the coverage that PagePlus offers.
     
  3. Todd Allcock

    Todd Allcock Guest

    At 07 Feb 2007 22:21:23 +0000 Jennifer Hammond wrote:


    > The downside was i had to chose an awful phone :/. My understanding

    from
    > asking around is i need to find a good phone
    > i can unlock so i can insert my virgin sim card into it.



    Um, no. Virgin resells Sprint service. Sprint (and Verizon) use CDMA
    technology, which doesn't use a SIM card. GSM carriers (like Cingular, T-
    Mobile and their resellers) use SIMs and can use unlocked phones.

    In addition, I believe Virgin only allows Virgin-branded handsets on
    their accounts, so even other compatible Sprint phones can't be used.

    > BTW. can someone explain to me what roaming is. From what i can work

    out
    > if you go out of your providers coverage area and into another providers
    > this is "roaming" but you are charged a high rate when using another
    > provider.


    Yes, but only if your carrier and the roaming carrier has an agreement to
    allow this. AFAIK, Virgin doesn't allow roaming.

    > but my question to this is how would you know if you have
    > "roamed" ?


    Generally your phone would tell you on it's display, either with some
    kind of indicator, orr the display might simply say "Roam." Again, with
    Virgin, I don't think you'll be roaming- the phone will just stop working.
     
  4. Dean

    Dean Guest

    Jennifer,

    First off, I know you said right from the beginning that you were new to
    this cell phone thing. Don't overlook the coverage issue. I really suggest
    you post your APPROXIMATE location, as some carriers have half-a-state-sized
    holes in their coverage. Just to give you an example, Verizon has had
    serious deficiencies in coverage in the Pacific Northwest, areas of
    Michigan, and areas of the Carolinas. If I intended to use my phone in one
    of those areas, I'd think twice before choosing them as a provider....and
    with native-Sprint-only coverage with Virgin, you may be looking at some
    HUGE coverage holes. The website will do you no good at all if the phone
    doesn't work where you need it to.

    Second, I see you're looking at the MotoKRZR. If you have $300 to spend on a
    phone, you might as well sign a postpaid contract and get a phone "free".
    Then you'll get all the "free" nights/weekends/IN-network calls you want.

    Good Luck,
    Dean


    "Jennifer Hammond" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
    news:12skk905opd7g87@corp.supernews.com...
    >
    > "SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
    > news:45c9f7a2$0$69004$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
    >> Jennifer Hammond wrote:
    >>
    >>> Thanks for the link. The chart is really helpful.
    >>>
    >>> It would appear that virgin deal i mentioned above is the best deal as
    >>> this works out at $6.60 per month although calls are expensive at 0.50c
    >>> per minute.
    >>>
    >>> I have been trying to find Deans deal of $2.50 per month, and 14c per
    >>> minute. But cannot work out how to get this or who this is with. Any
    >>> idea what he means?

    >>
    >> The problems with Virgin go beyond the cost. They use Sprint's network,
    >> but no roaming off Sprint's network is permitted, either onto other CDMA
    >> networks, or onto AMPS. This severely limits Virgin's coverage in the
    >> U.S.. If you never leave the core of the metropolitan areas it's okay.
    >>
    >> Pageplus is by far the best deal for the low user. I have two phones on
    >> it
    >> now. The coverage is superb. Pageplus is definitely a low-budget
    >> operation, so it's a slight hassle to get started, and their web site is
    >> not great. You have to add a minimum of $10 every four months. Each call
    >> costs 14¢ per minute, plus they deduct 50¢ per month. You can use any
    >> CDMA
    >> phone that works with Verizon, including Verizon InPulse phones that you
    >> can buy at stores like Target and Smarty-Mart.
    >>
    >> See "http://www.pagepluscellular.com/"
    >>
    >> Page Plus Web site issues
    >> -------------------------
    >> The $80 "card" is not available, even though it's on their site. You can
    >> click on "Buy Now" but it won't go into your cart. I could not get my
    >> Visa
    >> card to work on their site. Discover worked. Even though American Express
    >> shows up as a payment choice at checkout, they actually don't accept
    >> American Express. The cards are good for 120 days, though this isn't
    >> stated on the web site. Unused minutes roll over when you add more time,
    >> also not stated on the site.
    >>
    >> The only plan with a lower yearly minimum is 7-11's SpeakOut, at
    >> 20¢/minute. They charge $1 or $1.25 per month, and you have to add $25
    >> per
    >> year. Roaming is allowed at extra cost. No web site, you have to buy time
    >> at a 7-11, or over the phone. You have to buy a phone at 7-11, they won't
    >> just sell you a SIM card.
    >>
    >> T-Mobile costs 10¢/minute if you buy 1000 minutes, and after that you
    >> only
    >> have to add time once per year, and you can add as little as $10.
    >> Unfortunately, T-Mobile has similar problems to Virgin, you can roam, but
    >> not onto any 800 MHz GSM networks, only 1900 MHz GSM networks.

    >
    >
    > Thank you all for the informative posts, i'm impressed :)
    >
    > I liked the look of page plus but after comparing their website with
    > virgins
    > I decided to chose virgin simply because i can login their and view my
    > account/add money etc all online :))
    >
    > The downside was i had to chose an awful phone :/. My understanding
    > from
    > asking around is i need to find a good phone
    > i can unlock so i can insert my virgin sim card into it.
    > I like the look of the motorola K1
    > http://www.motorola.com/motoinfo/product/details.jsp?globalObjectId=160
    > but
    > from searching i dont think you can unlock it.
    > Any ideas?
    >
    > BTW. can someone explain to me what roaming is. From what i can work out
    > if you go out of your providers coverage area and into another providers
    > this is "roaming" but you are charged a high rate when using another
    > provider. but my question to this is how would you know if you have
    > "roamed" ?
    >
    > Thanks All
    > xxx
    >
    >
    >
     
  5. Todd Allcock

    Todd Allcock Guest

    At 08 Feb 2007 18:54:15 +0000 Jennifer Hammond wrote:


    > How stupid am I :(


    In your defense, it's a stupid system. When you buy a TV, you don't have
    to make sure it's "compatible" with your cable company. When you buy a
    cordless phone, you don't have to check if it plugs into the wall jack at
    home. That's why we have standards!

    In the old days of cellular, when "portable" meant built-into a briefcase
    and "handheld" meant the size of a footlong sandwich at Subway, any
    cellular phone worked on any cellular service. "Cellular" used to be a
    standard. When it went from analog to digital, the government did not
    mandate a standard, so four competing standards evolved: CDMA (like
    Verizon, Sprint, Alltel, Virgin, PagePlus, etc.,) GSM, (the one with the
    SIM cards, like Cingular and T-Mobile,) iDen (Nextel and Boost Mobile,)
    and TDMA (no longer sold, but once used by Cingular and the "old" AT&T
    Wireless.)

    So, were you stupid to expect any phone to work on any service? Not as
    stupid as we were for letting it get this way!
     
  6. SMS

    SMS Guest

    Jennifer Hammond wrote:

    > Your were right first time - Florida.
    > I realise i've now made a mistake with Virgin. I dont think contract is
    > right for me as i wil never uset he free minutes and I
    > really don't want to have to pay $20/$30 per month, i would just like a
    > nice phone. I will take another look at the options who have the Sim cards.


    For the two Florida metro areas that CR rated in their January issue,
    Greater Miami, and Greater Tampa, you'd want to stick with Verizon, and
    avoid Cingular.

    The big problem with Virgin is the lack of roaming. You're going to have
    lots of areas with no coverage if you go into the non-metro areas of
    Florida, of which their are still a lot. I go to Florida quite a bit, as
    I was born there and have a lot of family and friends there.

    You really want to use PagePlus with a tri-mode phone if you ever go out
    of the metro areas.
     
  7. SMS

    SMS Guest

    Jennifer Hammond wrote:

    > Verizon is not listed as having GSM. I'm going to go with cingular do you
    > think this will be ok?


    No.

    Why are you so keen on GSM? CDMA has more subscribers in the U.S., and a
    much larger network that covers more of the country.

    Also, Cingular goPhone is much more expensive per month, and per minute,
    than PagePlus.

    Cingular was rated last, by a large margin, in South Florida, and second
    to last by large margin in Tampa/St. Pete. This was a survey with a huge
    sample size, so there is an extremely low margin of error. In some metro
    areas, Cingular was only slightly worse than Verizon, but in two of the
    major metro areas in Florida, they did very poorly.

    Where in Florida are you?
     
  8. Todd Allcock

    Todd Allcock Guest

    At 09 Feb 2007 19:04:23 +0000 Jennifer Hammond wrote:

    > Looking on the cingular link from
    > http://www.cellguru.net/prepaid_compare.htm they appear to have good
    > coverage and use GSM
    > Verizon is not listed as having GSM. I'm going to go with cingular

    do you
    > think this will be ok?


    Steven won't, but I do, if "cool" phones are a priority (that's not a
    criticism, BTW- just an observation.) PagePlus (Verizon) will have
    better coverage, but Cingular is a pefectly acceptable carrier,
    paticularly in populated areas. However, if you decide to go with
    Cingular, you might want to checkout Beyond Wireless,
    (http://www.beyondwirelessgsm.com) since they have better rates, use the
    same network, and sell a SIM-only kit cheaply if you intend on buying an
    unlocked phone separately. (Speakout Wireless, offered by 7-11
    convenience stores is even cheaper for casual use, but you can't buy more
    time from the web, which I believe was a priority of yours in an earier
    post.)
     
  9. SMS

    SMS Guest

    Todd Allcock wrote:

    > Steven won't, but I do, if "cool" phones are a priority (that's not a
    > criticism, BTW- just an observation.) PagePlus (Verizon) will have
    > better coverage, but Cingular is a pefectly acceptable carrier,
    > paticularly in populated areas.


    I have a lot of experience with coverage in Florida. The original poster
    never said where she was in Florida. Even though Cingular is poorly
    rated in Tampa/St. Pete and Greater Miami by Consumer Reports, it would
    probably be okay in the urban and suburban parts of these areas. But
    there are populated areas, such as Gainesville (Go Gators!) where
    Cingular coverage is very poor.

    The original poster actually doesn't appear to be looking for the best
    deal in terms of cost and coverage, but is looking for a cool phone. In
    that case, your Beyond Wireless suggestion is a good one. It's very true
    that for prepaid you can get a much cooler GSM phone than you can a CDMA
    phone. With CDMA, in order to get a cool phone you'd have to sign up for
    a Verizon postpaid plan, wait out the contract or pay the termination
    fee, then switch to prepaid on Pageplus.
     
  10. Todd Allcock

    Todd Allcock Guest

    At 09 Feb 2007 13:21:28 -0800 SMS wrote:

    > I have a lot of experience with coverage in Florida.


    Certainly more than I- my experience is limited to tourist areas like
    Orlando, Tampa, Ft. Lauderdale, etc.

    > The original poster never said where she was in Florida. Even though
    > Cingular is poorly rated in Tampa/St. Pete and Greater Miami by
    > Consumer Reports, it would probably be okay in the urban and suburban
    > parts of these areas. But there are populated areas, such as
    > Gainesville (Go Gators!) where Cingular coverage is very poor.


    From her posts she doesn't seem to have the same telephony priorities as
    you or I. You want ubiquitous coverage (Verizon), I'm in for cheap data
    access (T-Mo.)


    > The original poster actually doesn't appear to be looking for the
    > best deal in terms of cost and coverage, but is looking for a cool
    > phone.


    That seems to be the case. Which is fine if that's her thng. Two
    decades in sales have taught me to sell people what will do what they
    want it to do, not what I think they need! Once we've established the
    parameters- (cool phone/ease of switching phones, web access for buying
    refills, etc.) I made my suggestion.

    > In that case, your Beyond Wireless suggestion is a good one.


    Thank you, sir.

    > It's very true that for prepaid you can get a much cooler GSM phone
    > than you can a CDMA phone. With CDMA, in order to get a cool phone
    > you'd have to sign up for a Verizon postpaid plan, wait out the
    > contract or pay the termination fee, then switch to prepaid on
    > Pageplus.


    Now, if the OP is still out there listening, as I said, my suggestion was
    based on what SHE prioritized. Personally, were it me, I'd be on your
    side (and am- I'm shopping now for a PagePlus compatible phone or two to
    replace my soon-to-be-shutoff TDMA "backup" prepaids. MY parameters were
    "lowest monthly cost" and "works where my T-Mo phones don't!" and only
    PagePlus fits! ;-)

    Our OP really should take both of our advice- get her cool phone to see
    and be seen with, and pickup an eBay PagePlus for any Thelma and Louise-
    esque road trips into Florida's wilds. For less than the cost of a lousy
    Mochaccino a month, a PagePlus is the cheapest insurance one can buy.
    Parents: don't let your daughters leave home without one! ;-)
     
  11. Dean

    Dean Guest

    As often happens, this turned out to be an interesting thread, for reasons
    more-or-less unintended by the OP.

    I have once again re-learned that there is no "one size fits all".

    While agreeing with everyone's comments here, Todd, your sales experience
    comment was well-taken. I, like SMS, assumed that the coverage issue would
    be a high priority, and that the mechanism for re-loading the phone, like
    the capablilities of the provider's website, would be secondary issues. It
    appears I was incorrect in this case.

    The customer is always right, and this customer will be happier, at least in
    the short term, with a cool GSM phone and website. At this point, it doesn't
    look like PagePlus is her speed. In any case, with prepaids, she doesn't
    have a lot to lose.

    At least "lurkers" and others with similar questions picked up some valuable
    info here...

    Dean



    "Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in message
    news:eqiqtv$c3m$1@aioe.org...
    > At 09 Feb 2007 13:21:28 -0800 SMS wrote:
    >
    >> I have a lot of experience with coverage in Florida.

    >
    > Certainly more than I- my experience is limited to tourist areas like
    > Orlando, Tampa, Ft. Lauderdale, etc.
    >
    >> The original poster never said where she was in Florida. Even though
    >> Cingular is poorly rated in Tampa/St. Pete and Greater Miami by
    >> Consumer Reports, it would probably be okay in the urban and suburban
    >> parts of these areas. But there are populated areas, such as
    >> Gainesville (Go Gators!) where Cingular coverage is very poor.

    >
    > From her posts she doesn't seem to have the same telephony priorities as
    > you or I. You want ubiquitous coverage (Verizon), I'm in for cheap data
    > access (T-Mo.)
    >
    >
    >> The original poster actually doesn't appear to be looking for the
    >> best deal in terms of cost and coverage, but is looking for a cool
    >> phone.

    >
    > That seems to be the case. Which is fine if that's her thng. Two
    > decades in sales have taught me to sell people what will do what they
    > want it to do, not what I think they need! Once we've established the
    > parameters- (cool phone/ease of switching phones, web access for buying
    > refills, etc.) I made my suggestion.
    >
    >> In that case, your Beyond Wireless suggestion is a good one.

    >
    > Thank you, sir.
    >
    >> It's very true that for prepaid you can get a much cooler GSM phone
    >> than you can a CDMA phone. With CDMA, in order to get a cool phone
    >> you'd have to sign up for a Verizon postpaid plan, wait out the
    >> contract or pay the termination fee, then switch to prepaid on
    >> Pageplus.

    >
    > Now, if the OP is still out there listening, as I said, my suggestion was
    > based on what SHE prioritized. Personally, were it me, I'd be on your
    > side (and am- I'm shopping now for a PagePlus compatible phone or two to
    > replace my soon-to-be-shutoff TDMA "backup" prepaids. MY parameters were
    > "lowest monthly cost" and "works where my T-Mo phones don't!" and only
    > PagePlus fits! ;-)
    >
    > Our OP really should take both of our advice- get her cool phone to see
    > and be seen with, and pickup an eBay PagePlus for any Thelma and Louise-
    > esque road trips into Florida's wilds. For less than the cost of a lousy
    > Mochaccino a month, a PagePlus is the cheapest insurance one can buy.
    > Parents: don't let your daughters leave home without one! ;-)
    >
    >
     
  12. Dean

    Dean Guest

    Jennifer,

    My post(s) could have come off as somewhat condescending.
    If so, I apologize for that.

    Understand that in my experience, people who use prepaid normally do so for
    reasons such as:

    1/ Bad credit, can't get approval for a contract without a murderous
    security deposit;

    2/ Distaste or fear of getting "locked in" to a contract;

    3/ Temporary residency or employment, where needs will probably change
    within a short time; or

    4/ Infrequent "emergency"-type users, like many older folks who want/need
    the security of a cellphone, but don't want/need the features and advantages
    of a postpaid account----in other words, they'd like a cellphone, but want
    to do it "on the cheap".

    Unfortunately, prepaid users seem to be kind of the "underclass" in the
    cellular world in many cases.

    From your OP, I assumed, incorrectly, that cost was an issue, therefore I
    tailored my advice accordingly. You could have yourself set up with an
    account that would use a major National provider's network, and have minutes
    at very reasonable cost, for around $50.

    Obviously, if you are willing/able to spend over $250 for a phone,
    cost is not an issue. In that case, by the time you get done spending almost
    $300 before you make your first call, you may well be better off forgetting
    the idea of prepaid completely, and take a contract with the provider of
    your choice, along with a FREE phone.

    You mention that the ability to change phones easily is important to you.
    Where will the new phone come from? Do you intend to spend at least $150 to
    $300 on your next phone also? I'm sure in your research, you've found that
    even the cheapest brand-new unlocked, SIM-capable phone, purchased outright,
    will cost you well over $100....and that's the cheapest phone you can get.

    I spend about $450-$500 per year on cellphone service. Yes, seems like a
    lot, but for that I get coverage virtually everywhere I travel, unlimited
    nights and weekends, unlimited calls to other Verizon users, all the
    features like call forwarding, voicemail, conference calling, etc, a website
    where I can change phones online and manage some of the features, real
    Customer Service (some will argue the quality, but have you ever called for
    CS on a prepaid account from a reseller?), and a brand-new phone every ten
    months for free. I could spend money for a cooler phone, but still way less
    than half of retail cost. Last March, I got a Motorola e815 for $40, and
    last month I replaced it with a Moto v3m Razr for no out-of-pocket cost at
    all. I am on my phone probably 900-1100 minutes every month.

    I believe that you will spend nearly as much for limited coverage, limited
    features, limited Customer Service, and the privilege of spending a good
    deal of your cash whenever you want a new phone.

    Please consider your choice carefully before spending $250 on a phone to use
    with prepaid.

    Dean




    "Jennifer Hammond" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
    news:12suh4ain8vk832@corp.supernews.com...
    >
    > "Dean" <dean173@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > news:C4lzh.10$k77.9@newsfe12.lga...
    >> As often happens, this turned out to be an interesting thread, for
    >> reasons
    >> more-or-less unintended by the OP.
    >>
    >> I have once again re-learned that there is no "one size fits all".
    >>
    >> While agreeing with everyone's comments here, Todd, your sales experience
    >> comment was well-taken. I, like SMS, assumed that the coverage issue
    >> would
    >> be a high priority, and that the mechanism for re-loading the phone, like
    >> the capablilities of the provider's website, would be secondary issues.
    >> It
    >> appears I was incorrect in this case.
    >>
    >> The customer is always right, and this customer will be happier, at least
    >> in the short term, with a cool GSM phone and website. At this point, it
    >> doesn't look like PagePlus is her speed. In any case, with prepaids, she
    >> doesn't have a lot to lose.
    >>
    >> At least "lurkers" and others with similar questions picked up some
    >> valuable info here...
    >>
    >> Dean
    >>

    >
    >
    > You all talk as though i'm mad :))
    >
    > To be honest i'm not sure i quite understand the comments re. coverage. I
    > don't travel far and I know cingular works in my area because there are
    > other people i know using cingular and its advertised on TV here so i am
    > 100% sure it will work here. If it doesn't I will send it back for a
    > refund.
    >
    > The other GSM option on that site you gave me i am considering is t-mobile
    > but i have been unable to fnd out what there per minute charges are.
    > Assuming they are the same as cingular, if people here think tmobile has
    > better 'coverage' i will go for them
    >
    > I know 100% i definately need a GSM/SIM phone to give me the flexibility
    > to
    > change my phone when i like. This is important to me :))
    > Assuming i now sign up with cingular i have been trying for the last few
    > days to find a Motorola K1 phone (i really want this phone:)) and would
    > appreciate any input on how to get this. The only deal i can find is
    > this
    > one:
    >
    > http://www.gsmliberty.net/shop/motorola-krzr-k1-unlocked-p-1296.html
    >
    > but ive never heard of them and I am worried about buying from a site i
    > dont
    > know. Any thoughts?
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
     

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