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Bluetooth and CDMA don't work well together? Any truth?

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by NewsMonkey, Apr 23, 2004.

  1. NewsMonkey

    NewsMonkey Guest

    Hi Everyone,

    I have been hearing a lot of this lately and was wondering if there
    was any truth to the statement. I know Verizon has claimed that
    Bluetooth doesn't pass their quality standards, but I have always
    dismissed this as Verizon's excuse to keep making "Teen Rave" phones.
    But I notice with my Sony Ericsson T608 (800/1900 Mhz CDMA & 800Mhz
    Analog) that my Bluetooth connections using Express Network are not very
    fast. It seems to top out at 56-60 kps. I have also heard rumors that
    Verizon intends to remove the bluetooth functionality in the Motorola
    V710 before they release it. Could this be because CDMA and bluetooth
    really don't play well together, at least as well as GSM does? What do
    you all think?

    - NM
     



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  2. Mike

    Mike Guest

    On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:01:06 -0400, NewsMonkey
    <please_post_reply@to_the_group.net> wrote:

    >But I notice with my Sony Ericsson T608 (800/1900 Mhz CDMA & 800Mhz
    >Analog) that my Bluetooth connections using Express Network are not very
    >fast. It seems to top out at 56-60 kps.


    That's probably the rough average speed of 1XRTT data. The 144 kbps
    figure is "bursting" speeds.

    Mike
     
  3. Richard Ness

    Richard Ness Guest

    A bit OT, but:

    There are many tech savvy people that think Bluetooth is
    a dead or dying technology. Never gained 'critical mass' and
    is in decline already. Maybe Verizon also subscribes to this
    notion and that is why they don't and won't support Bluetooth.


    "NewsMonkey" <please_post_reply@to_the_group.net> wrote in message news:MPG.1af3079f85cb4f9698968b@news.speakeasy.net...
    > Hi Everyone,
    >
    > I have been hearing a lot of this lately and was wondering if there
    > was any truth to the statement. I know Verizon has claimed that
    > Bluetooth doesn't pass their quality standards, but I have always
    > dismissed this as Verizon's excuse to keep making "Teen Rave" phones.
    > But I notice with my Sony Ericsson T608 (800/1900 Mhz CDMA & 800Mhz
    > Analog) that my Bluetooth connections using Express Network are not very
    > fast. It seems to top out at 56-60 kps. I have also heard rumors that
    > Verizon intends to remove the bluetooth functionality in the Motorola
    > V710 before they release it. Could this be because CDMA and bluetooth
    > really don't play well together, at least as well as GSM does? What do
    > you all think?
    >
    > - NM
     
  4. Quick

    Quick Guest

    Richard Ness wrote:
    > A bit OT, but:
    >
    > There are many tech savvy people that think Bluetooth is
    > a dead or dying technology. Never gained 'critical mass' and
    > is in decline already. Maybe Verizon also subscribes to this
    > notion and that is why they don't and won't support Bluetooth.


    Don't forget that VZW supports the phones. There is significant
    overhead in doing this.

    ....they sold me a bluetooth phone. I can't get my laptop to talk
    to it. I go to my VZW store and tell them "it doesn't work, fix
    it"...

    Then there is the related testing, etc. It's much more likely that
    the demand relative to the cost doesn't justify it.

    -Quick
     
  5. Peter Pan

    Peter Pan Guest

    That's silly. I have one of those neat/nifty Jabra Freespeak's, and have to
    tell you that little blue flashing light when it is on or being charged is
    REALLY cool. If it wasn't for flashing Blue Lights, why would anyone shop at
    Kmart?

    I would think that it's pretty obvious that they have sold a bunch of units
    to the old farts, and now they need some snazzy flashing lights, removable
    faceplates, fancy rings, downloadable games etc to spark peoples interest in
    spending more money with them, or at least appeal to the younger people who
    can get their parents to pay for it..

    If in actuality they wanted phones that work, why did they drop the power?
    Older ones used to be 3 or at least .6 watts, instead of that wimpy .2 they
    have now. Didn't they cut the power so more people could be on their system
    at once? To suggest that they are doing an about face, and are trying to
    provide service instead of flash, flies in the face of what they have been
    doing for years.

    <G>

    "Richard Ness" <richardno@damnspam.nessnet.com> wrote in message
    news:69edndp7urlk_hTdRVn-sA@comcast.com
    > A bit OT, but:
    >
    > There are many tech savvy people that think Bluetooth is
    > a dead or dying technology. Never gained 'critical mass' and
    > is in decline already. Maybe Verizon also subscribes to this
    > notion and that is why they don't and won't support Bluetooth.
    >
    >
    > "NewsMonkey" <please_post_reply@to_the_group.net> wrote in message
    > news:MPG.1af3079f85cb4f9698968b@news.speakeasy.net...
    >> Hi Everyone,
    >>
    >> I have been hearing a lot of this lately and was wondering if there
    >> was any truth to the statement. I know Verizon has claimed that
    >> Bluetooth doesn't pass their quality standards, but I have always
    >> dismissed this as Verizon's excuse to keep making "Teen Rave" phones.
    >> But I notice with my Sony Ericsson T608 (800/1900 Mhz CDMA & 800Mhz
    >> Analog) that my Bluetooth connections using Express Network are not
    >> very fast. It seems to top out at 56-60 kps. I have also heard
    >> rumors that Verizon intends to remove the bluetooth functionality in
    >> the Motorola V710 before they release it. Could this be because CDMA
    >> and bluetooth really don't play well together, at least as well as
    >> GSM does? What do you all think?
    >>
    >> - NM
     
  6. Roger Binns

    Roger Binns Guest

    Dan Albrich wrote:
    > I think Verizon is being stupid.


    I know several Verizon customers who only stay with Verizon because
    of the coverage. They want to move to other carriers because of
    phones, pricing, functionality, international compatibility,
    international interoperability (SMS) etc.

    As the other carriers networks continually improve, these people
    are going to jump ship permanently.

    Roger
     
  7. Jesse McGrew

    Jesse McGrew Guest

    Dan Albrich wrote:
    > I think Verizon is being stupid. For a company so concerned with quality in
    > the handset, take a look at the Moto 720 or the LG 4400. Take any LG 4400
    > and put it near an EM field like a monitor, and the phone will autotically
    > reboot or turn itself off.


    Nonsense. I have an LG 4400, and I put it near my monitor and speakers
    all the time with no problems. I didn't have any problems with my
    previous 4400 either.

    Maybe the VZW reps were giving you defective phones just to piss you off. ;)

    Jesse
     
  8. Dan Albrich

    Dan Albrich Guest

    > Nonsense. I have an LG 4400, and I put it near my monitor and speakers
    > all the time with no problems.


    Leave it set on top of your monitor for at least 15 minutes...

    Also, feel free to go to groups.google.com, search on LG 4400 and reboot.
    You'll see a trend in the discussion there. My group at work has 3 LG 4400's
    and all have been replaced by Verizon with V10 firmware units, which
    continue to see the same behavior.

    Leave the phone in a weak signal area for awhile, it will shut itself off to
    save on power. This is a design feature (one which I consider to be a bug,
    and not one you can select).

    -Dan
     
  9. Al Glasser

    Al Glasser Guest

    "Dan Albrich" <junkmail@shaney.uoregon.edui> wrote in message news:<equdnRUw5Nfd0hbdRVn2sg@comcast.com>...
    > > Nonsense. I have an LG 4400, and I put it near my monitor and speakers
    > > all the time with no problems.

    >
    > Leave it set on top of your monitor for at least 15 minutes...
    >
    > Also, feel free to go to groups.google.com, search on LG 4400 and reboot.
    > You'll see a trend in the discussion there. My group at work has 3 LG 4400's
    > and all have been replaced by Verizon with V10 firmware units, which
    > continue to see the same behavior.
    >
    > Leave the phone in a weak signal area for awhile, it will shut itself off to
    > save on power. This is a design feature (one which I consider to be a bug,
    > and not one you can select).
    >
    > -Dan


    Well I just set my 4400 on the monitor 20 minutes-----No problem.
    I also put it inside my computer ( have easy access door) for 20 min,
    took it out and BEHOLD it si still working. I have ver 10 firmware.


    Al
     
  10. Peter Pan

    Peter Pan Guest

    "Al Glasser" <aglasser@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
    news:3b29b199.0404250331.1fc0bb3b@posting.google.com
    > "Dan Albrich" <junkmail@shaney.uoregon.edui> wrote in message
    > news:<equdnRUw5Nfd0hbdRVn2sg@comcast.com>...
    >>> Nonsense. I have an LG 4400, and I put it near my monitor and
    >>> speakers all the time with no problems.

    >>
    >> Leave it set on top of your monitor for at least 15 minutes...
    >>
    >> Also, feel free to go to groups.google.com, search on LG 4400 and
    >> reboot. You'll see a trend in the discussion there. My group at work
    >> has 3 LG 4400's and all have been replaced by Verizon with V10
    >> firmware units, which continue to see the same behavior.
    >>
    >> Leave the phone in a weak signal area for awhile, it will shut
    >> itself off to save on power. This is a design feature (one which I
    >> consider to be a bug, and not one you can select).
    >>
    >> -Dan

    >
    > Well I just set my 4400 on the monitor 20 minutes-----No problem.
    > I also put it inside my computer ( have easy access door) for 20 min,
    > took it out and BEHOLD it si still working. I have ver 10 firmware.
    >
    >
    > Al


    I'd worry about what sort of el-cheapo monitors they have, and what sort of
    radiation they are putting out. I have mine in a charger on the top of my
    microwave, and have been cooking in it for over a year, and have no
    problems. I even recall messing up once and putting it IN the microwave
    while I was cooking, not only was the phone fine, but the popcorn was good
    too.
     
  11. "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message =
    news:c6g9tv$bn11k$1@ID-190045.news.uni-berlin.de...
    >=20
    > .... I have mine in a charger on the top of my
    > microwave, and have been cooking in it for over a year, and have no
    > problems. I even recall messing up once and putting it IN the =

    microwave
    > while I was cooking, not only was the phone fine, but the popcorn was =

    good
    > too.
    >=20


    Yeah, same here.
    But when I mistakenly put my popcorn in the charger, nothing happened at =
    all.
    ---JRC---
     
  12. Meat-->Plow

    Meat-->Plow Guest

    On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:43:47 -0700, "Richard Ness"
    <richardno@damnspam.nessnet.com>,wrote:

    >A bit OT, but:
    >
    >There are many tech savvy people that think Bluetooth is
    >a dead or dying technology. Never gained 'critical mass' and
    >is in decline already. Maybe Verizon also subscribes to this
    >notion and that is why they don't and won't support Bluetooth.


    BT is ok for PAN. I use it all the time to sync my Palm T3 to my notebook. But
    it's slow. BT seems to have been dumped for WiFi.
     
  13. Dan Albrich

    Dan Albrich Guest

    > Well I just set my 4400 on the monitor 20 minutes-----No problem.
    > I also put it inside my computer ( have easy access door) for 20 min,
    > took it out and BEHOLD it si still working. I have ver 10 firmware.


    We can consistently reproduce this problem by setting any 4400 on top of a
    CRT, or setting it on top of a UPS. The phone will reboot within 2 minutes
    in all cases. The other Verizon phones at work do not behave this way.

    It's unclear to me why our folks have so much trouble with this particular
    phone. We all work in a brick building with 802.11 wireless, and tend to
    have PC's with the cases off, and typically one or more large CRT/flat
    panels. The in-building cellular coverage is also poor, but usable. Our
    folks that have non-LG 4400 phones do not ever experience problems (of
    rebooting or turning off).
    All of the 4400's we have are the non-B version, but they do have latest
    firmware.

    Anyway, YMMV,

    -Dan
     
  14. David S

    David S Guest

    On 25 Apr 2004 04:31:55 -0700, aglasser@sc.rr.com (Al Glasser) chose to add
    this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

    >"Dan Albrich" <junkmail@shaney.uoregon.edui> wrote in message news:<equdnRUw5Nfd0hbdRVn2sg@comcast.com>...
    >> > Nonsense. I have an LG 4400, and I put it near my monitor and speakers
    >> > all the time with no problems.

    >>
    >> Leave it set on top of your monitor for at least 15 minutes...
    >>
    >> Also, feel free to go to groups.google.com, search on LG 4400 and reboot.
    >> You'll see a trend in the discussion there. My group at work has 3 LG 4400's
    >> and all have been replaced by Verizon with V10 firmware units, which
    >> continue to see the same behavior.
    >>
    >> Leave the phone in a weak signal area for awhile, it will shut itself off to
    >> save on power. This is a design feature (one which I consider to be a bug,
    >> and not one you can select).

    >
    >Well I just set my 4400 on the monitor 20 minutes-----No problem.
    >I also put it inside my computer ( have easy access door) for 20 min,
    >took it out and BEHOLD it si still working. I have ver 10 firmware.


    I discovered within days of getting mine that if I lay it flat on its back
    on my metal desk at work (where the signal is just strong enough to use)
    and then call it, instead of ringing it will die and reboot. It can sit
    there for any length of time, until the call comes in; then it dies. If I
    stand it up, but still on the desk, it works fine. I was about to take it
    back when I discovered that others have had the same problem. Someone also
    said putting it on a CD makes it crash.

    --
    David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    "Oh, did I mention I'm on week nine of not smoking? I've got a patch on,
    and a nicotine inhaler. My other worst habit is that I used to put my
    cigarettes out in coffee cups all over the house, which is a sluttish
    habit. I eat in bed. When I had a dog, I used to have him in bed with me.
    And I let him eat off my plate." - Elizabeth Hurley telling the New York
    Daily News about her bad habits (ca. Oct. 2000)
     
  15. Peter Pan

    Peter Pan Guest

    "David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message

    >
    > I discovered within days of getting mine that if I lay it flat on its
    > back on my metal desk at work (where the signal is just strong enough
    > to use) and then call it, instead of ringing it will die and reboot.
    > It can sit there for any length of time, until the call comes in;
    > then it dies. If I stand it up, but still on the desk, it works fine.
    > I was about to take it back when I discovered that others have had
    > the same problem. Someone also said putting it on a CD makes it crash.


    Sounds like a bizzare skit on saturday night live of the verizon (Can you
    hear me now ?) guy. :)
     

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