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Cell phone Coverage ???

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Viper, Aug 16, 2006.

  1. Viper

    Viper Guest

    Why is it that these cell phone companies keep adding features ( V-cast,
    web, games, MP3 player, ect) and the network dose not get any better?
    Companies keep making cell phones to do more stuff, ( Maybe even cook
    dinner - soon) and they would become useless if the network signal is not
    available. Phones keep getting better but not the network. All cell phone
    companies are the same way ( VZW, Sprint, Nextel, AT&T, Cingular) If you are
    not near an interstate or a big city, you can't get any thing. I am on the
    very fringe of the VZW network. I live out side a small town in Northern
    Kentucky that as no coverage in the town. Network coverage in Northern
    Kentucky is kind of poor any way and is not getting any better.



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  2. "Viper" <user@user.net> wrote in message
    news:86d09$44e32cc0$944e0832$29016@STARBAND.NET...
    > Why is it that these cell phone companies keep adding features ( V-cast,
    > web, games, MP3 player, ect) and the network dose not get any better?
    > Companies keep making cell phones to do more stuff, ( Maybe even cook
    > dinner - soon) and they would become useless if the network signal is not
    > available. Phones keep getting better but not the network. All cell phone
    > companies are the same way ( VZW, Sprint, Nextel, AT&T, Cingular) If you
    > are not near an interstate or a big city, you can't get any thing. I am
    > on the very fringe of the VZW network. I live out side a small town in
    > Northern Kentucky that as no coverage in the town. Network coverage in
    > Northern Kentucky is kind of poor any way and is not getting any better.
    >


    Kentucky is one of the few populated states that does not have good Verizon
    coverage-- though the south-central area, Bowling Green, Edmonton and all,
    is pretty good.

    They develop/push the kiddie features because the stupid ninnies buy them
    and use them-- running up their cell bills 20-30-40 dollars or more each
    month higher than they need to be. That's the glory of our system-- if fools
    will buy it, VZW would be dumb not to sell it. It's really high margin
    income too.

    As for me, I'm waiting for the MotoLG 3400XXX model phone. It will have an
    electric shaver, flashlight and can opener along with drink cooler and a
    vibrator attachment for the ladies...

    Doug
  3. Teddeli

    Teddeli Guest

    On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:52:34 -0400, "Douglas C. Neidermeyer"
    <doug@faber.edu> wrote:

    >"Viper" <user@user.net> wrote in message
    >news:86d09$44e32cc0$944e0832$29016@STARBAND.NET...
    >> Why is it that these cell phone companies keep adding features ( V-cast,
    >> web, games, MP3 player, ect) and the network dose not get any better?
    >> Companies keep making cell phones to do more stuff, ( Maybe even cook
    >> dinner - soon) and they would become useless if the network signal is not
    >> available. Phones keep getting better but not the network. All cell phone
    >> companies are the same way ( VZW, Sprint, Nextel, AT&T, Cingular) If you
    >> are not near an interstate or a big city, you can't get any thing. I am
    >> on the very fringe of the VZW network. I live out side a small town in
    >> Northern Kentucky that as no coverage in the town. Network coverage in
    >> Northern Kentucky is kind of poor any way and is not getting any better.
    >>

    >
    >Kentucky is one of the few populated states that does not have good Verizon
    >coverage-- though the south-central area, Bowling Green, Edmonton and all,
    >is pretty good.


    You fail to mention that it is very difficult for the horses to press
    the buttons on a cell phone
  4. Teddeli <spam@nospam.net> wrote:
    > On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:52:34 -0400, "Douglas C. Neidermeyer"
    > <doug@faber.edu> wrote:
    >
    >>Kentucky is one of the few populated states that does not have good Verizon
    >>coverage-- though the south-central area, Bowling Green, Edmonton and all,
    >>is pretty good.

    >
    > You fail to mention that it is very difficult for the horses to press
    > the buttons on a cell phone


    Mr. Ed would use a bluetooth headset and voice dial.

    --
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
    Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1
  5. Larry

    Larry Guest

    "Viper" <user@user.net> wrote in news:86d09$44e32cc0$944e0832$29016
    @STARBAND.NET:

    > Why is it that these cell phone companies keep adding features ( V-cast,
    > web, games, MP3 player, ect) and the network dose not get any better?
    >


    Really simple....They follow the MONEY because the FCC doesn't do its job
    of enforcing their license agreements, forcing them to cover their licensed
    area in a timely manner.

    If a radio station had coverage like a cellphone license, the station would
    face heavy fines and license revocation. Radio stations and TV stations
    pay a heavy price to produce the required signal at the required distance
    from their transmitters that will produce a watchable signal at ALL the
    TVs, not just the ones in the rich areas or areas of heavy population
    concentration....like cellular phone licensees. Broadcast stations must
    pass a rigorous "Proof of Performance", performed by outside engineers
    every year. They must prove to the FCC engineers they are transmitting
    what their license says they are, providing a level-of-service in exchange
    for use of the public airwaves.

    It's about the MONEY...has been since the lawyer class took over FCC from
    the engineers, many years back.



    --
    There's amazing intelligence in the Universe.
    You can tell because none of them ever called Earth.
  6. Joe Bemier

    Joe Bemier Guest

    On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:32:56 -0400, "Viper" <user@user.net> wrote:

    >Why is it that these cell phone companies keep adding features ( V-cast,
    >web, games, MP3 player, ect) and the network dose not get any better?
    >Companies keep making cell phones to do more stuff, ( Maybe even cook
    >dinner - soon) and they would become useless if the network signal is not
    >available. Phones keep getting better but not the network. All cell phone
    >companies are the same way ( VZW, Sprint, Nextel, AT&T, Cingular) If you are
    >not near an interstate or a big city, you can't get any thing. I am on the
    >very fringe of the VZW network. I live out side a small town in Northern
    >Kentucky that as no coverage in the town. Network coverage in Northern
    >Kentucky is kind of poor any way and is not getting any better.


    Read my message above ....*Still Waiting*
    I do not have a CP so my complaint is based on ppl who call me on a
    cell. That means I get a spectrum of carriers across different areas.
    My daughter called me from Boston the other day and it was as clear as
    a bell. Today my son calls on the road and we got dropped twice.
    That leads me to believe that if the cell user is in a city (near a
    tower or whatever) there can be quality. However, as the cell user
    moves away from a city it becomes more of a coin toss.
    >
  7. Nick Danger

    Nick Danger Guest

    > Kentucky is one of the few populated states that does not have good
    > Verizon coverage-- though the south-central area, Bowling Green, Edmonton
    > and all, is pretty good.


    I'm in Westchester County, NY, a very populated area and one that has loads
    of money (except in my household). There are lots of dead zones around here.
    Even when you can get a signal, it's often so garbled that it's unusable. If
    you go to http://www.antennasearch.com/ , you can get a listing of antennas
    and towers within four miles of any address, as well as a list of proposed
    and planned towers. I've typed in lots of addresses of places where I spend
    a fair amount of time and found that there are no Verizon towers nearby and
    none planned. The standard explanation for this is NIMBY but given the lack
    of planned construction, I have a feeling that the carriers consider their
    networks sufficiently built up. They probably assume that there is no
    further money to be made in phone service, and are now focusing on more
    profitable services.
  8. Finding the keyboard operational
    Nick Danger entered:

    >> Kentucky is one of the few populated states that does not have good
    >> Verizon coverage-- though the south-central area, Bowling Green,
    >> Edmonton and all, is pretty good.

    >
    > I'm in Westchester County, NY, a very populated area and one that has
    > loads of money (except in my household). There are lots of dead zones
    > around here. Even when you can get a signal, it's often so garbled
    > that it's unusable. If you go to http://www.antennasearch.com/ , you
    > can get a listing of antennas and towers within four miles of any
    > address, as well as a list of proposed and planned towers. I've typed
    > in lots of addresses of places where I spend a fair amount of time
    > and found that there are no Verizon towers nearby and none planned.
    > The standard explanation for this is NIMBY but given the lack of
    > planned construction, I have a feeling that the carriers consider
    > their networks sufficiently built up. They probably assume that there
    > is no further money to be made in phone service, and are now focusing
    > on more profitable services.


    The problem with antennasearch is that it only lists th tower owner. If I
    set up a tower as Bob's Wireless and lease space to Verizon, Sprint and
    anyone else who can come up with the money, you wll only see Bob's Wireless
    on the search. Also you will not see antenni on buildings, watertowers or
    the like.
    Besides NIMBY's you also have the negotition of leases, infrastructure
    capacity etc. all of which can slow build out to crawl.
    You know that guy in the commercial? Can you hear me now? Believe it or not,
    call companies do that knod of testing. well it's a little more automated
    then that.
    Bob

    --￾
    --￾
    Coffee worth staying up for - NY Times
    www.moondoggiecoffee.com
  9. Nick Danger

    Nick Danger Guest

    > The problem with antennasearch is that it only lists th tower owner. If I
    > set up a tower as Bob's Wireless and lease space to Verizon, Sprint and
    > anyone else who can come up with the money, you wll only see Bob's
    > Wireless on the search. Also you will not see antenni on buildings,
    > watertowers or the like.
    > Besides NIMBY's you also have the negotition of leases, infrastructure
    > capacity etc. all of which can slow build out to crawl.
    > You know that guy in the commercial? Can you hear me now? Believe it or
    > not, call companies do that knod of testing. well it's a little more
    > automated then that.


    OK - let me restate it. NO ONE has any applications outstanding for towers
    or antennas in the areas I'm interested in. Maybe the list is not complete
    or maybe I just didn't try hard enough, but it seems to me like there is
    very little building going on. I guess I can understand that the companies
    don't want to publicize their construction plans too much, but I would feel
    better if I saw at least some evidence that they were aware of the holes in
    their coverage and had plans to improve it.
  10. Teddeli

    Teddeli Guest

    On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:50:18 -0400, Joe Bemier
    <perfectioninwood@hotmail.com> wrote:

    >On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:32:56 -0400, "Viper" <user@user.net> wrote:
    >
    >>Why is it that these cell phone companies keep adding features ( V-cast,
    >>web, games, MP3 player, ect) and the network dose not get any better?
    >>Companies keep making cell phones to do more stuff, ( Maybe even cook
    >>dinner - soon) and they would become useless if the network signal is not
    >>available. Phones keep getting better but not the network. All cell phone
    >>companies are the same way ( VZW, Sprint, Nextel, AT&T, Cingular) If you are
    >>not near an interstate or a big city, you can't get any thing. I am on the
    >>very fringe of the VZW network. I live out side a small town in Northern
    >>Kentucky that as no coverage in the town. Network coverage in Northern
    >>Kentucky is kind of poor any way and is not getting any better.

    >
    >Read my message above ....*Still Waiting*
    >I do not have a CP so my complaint is based on ppl who call me on a
    >cell. That means I get a spectrum of carriers across different areas.
    >My daughter called me from Boston the other day and it was as clear as
    >a bell. Today my son calls on the road and we got dropped twice.
    >That leads me to believe that if the cell user is in a city (near a
    >tower or whatever) there can be quality. However, as the cell user
    >moves away from a city it becomes more of a coin toss.
    >>


    You base your conclusions on two phone calls? I live in a suburb of a
    major city. If I drive 125 miles in any direction my calls are as
    clear as if I was in the city. While I am not an expert I would
    imagine there are many factors in reception and completing a call
    other than proximity to a city.

    Sometimes calls are a crapshoot in a city too.
  11. Finding the keyboard operational
    Larry entered:

    > "Viper" <user@user.net> wrote in news:86d09$44e32cc0$944e0832$29016
    > @STARBAND.NET:
    >
    >> Why is it that these cell phone companies keep adding features (
    >> V-cast, web, games, MP3 player, ect) and the network dose not get
    >> any better?
    >>

    >
    > Really simple....They follow the MONEY because the FCC doesn't do its
    > job of enforcing their license agreements, forcing them to cover
    > their licensed area in a timely manner.
    >
    > If a radio station had coverage like a cellphone license, the station
    > would face heavy fines and license revocation. Radio stations and TV
    > stations pay a heavy price to produce the required signal at the
    > required distance from their transmitters that will produce a
    > watchable signal at ALL the TVs, not just the ones in the rich areas
    > or areas of heavy population concentration....like cellular phone
    > licensees. Broadcast stations must pass a rigorous "Proof of
    > Performance", performed by outside engineers every year. They must
    > prove to the FCC engineers they are transmitting what their license
    > says they are, providing a level-of-service in exchange for use of
    > the public airwaves.
    >
    > It's about the MONEY...has been since the lawyer class took over FCC
    > from the engineers, many years back.


    You' re right about the games, bells and whistles. I once told my supervisor
    that these things will not take off until they have games and porn. So far
    I'm right.
    BTW cell base stations are also inspected like TV and radio stations. But
    since they are not a public use frequency, the licensee does not have to
    cover any defined area.
    And the FCC was established by congress, it's always been about the money.
    Bob

    --￾
    --￾
    Coffee worth staying up for - NY Times
    www.moondoggiecoffee.com
  12. Ann

    Ann Guest

    I'm surprised you have VZ in Kentucky! I have a corporate VZ phone and a
    Cingular personal phone ... because I often travel to KY and there is no
    significant VZ coverage. I could use the corporate phone for personal use
    but the VZ coverage is so bad in the areas I'm in that it isn't prudent to
    do.


    "Viper" <user@user.net> wrote in message
    news:86d09$44e32cc0$944e0832$29016@STARBAND.NET...
    > Why is it that these cell phone companies keep adding features ( V-cast,
    > web, games, MP3 player, ect) and the network dose not get any better?
    > Companies keep making cell phones to do more stuff, ( Maybe even cook
    > dinner - soon) and they would become useless if the network signal is not
    > available. Phones keep getting better but not the network. All cell phone
    > companies are the same way ( VZW, Sprint, Nextel, AT&T, Cingular) If you
    > are not near an interstate or a big city, you can't get any thing. I am
    > on the very fringe of the VZW network. I live out side a small town in
    > Northern Kentucky that as no coverage in the town. Network coverage in
    > Northern Kentucky is kind of poor any way and is not getting any better.
    >
  13. Nick Danger <yourname@yourdomain.com> wrote:
    > I'm in Westchester County, NY, a very populated area and one that has loads
    > of money (except in my household). There are lots of dead zones around here.
    > Even when you can get a signal, it's often so garbled that it's unusable. If
    > you go to http://www.antennasearch.com/ , you can get a listing of antennas


    How do you make heads or tails of the information on this site. All but one
    tower or antenna that I was able to view in the first area that I checked had
    no listing of what provider owned spectrum being operated from that tower. In
    short, it was not easily discernable whether any antennas for any given
    provider were operating. One tower indicated a license by sprint and another
    tower indicated Verizon Wireless in its ownership, but beyond that, it was
    impossible to glean much of any use.

    --
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
    Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1
  14. Rich

    Rich Guest

    On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:32:56 -0400, "Viper" <user@user.net> wrote:

    >Why is it that these cell phone companies keep adding features ( V-cast,
    >web, games, MP3 player, ect) and the network dose not get any better?
    >Companies keep making cell phones to do more stuff, ( Maybe even cook
    >dinner - soon) and they would become useless if the network signal is not
    >available. Phones keep getting better but not the network. All cell phone
    >companies are the same way ( VZW, Sprint, Nextel, AT&T, Cingular) If you are
    >not near an interstate or a big city, you can't get any thing. I am on the
    >very fringe of the VZW network. I live out side a small town in Northern
    >Kentucky that as no coverage in the town. Network coverage in Northern
    >Kentucky is kind of poor any way and is not getting any better.
    >


    it's called marketing and gaining market share. saw an ad yesterday
    for a stripped down phone for those, like me, that just want to make a
    phone call.

    73,
    rich, n9dko
    v710 and happy
  15. Joe Bemier

    Joe Bemier Guest

    On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:04:33 -0400, Teddeli <spam@nospam.net> wrote:

    >On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:50:18 -0400, Joe Bemier
    ><perfectioninwood@hotmail.com> wrote:
    >
    >>On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:32:56 -0400, "Viper" <user@user.net> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Why is it that these cell phone companies keep adding features ( V-cast,
    >>>web, games, MP3 player, ect) and the network dose not get any better?
    >>>Companies keep making cell phones to do more stuff, ( Maybe even cook
    >>>dinner - soon) and they would become useless if the network signal is not
    >>>available. Phones keep getting better but not the network. All cell phone
    >>>companies are the same way ( VZW, Sprint, Nextel, AT&T, Cingular) If you are
    >>>not near an interstate or a big city, you can't get any thing. I am on the
    >>>very fringe of the VZW network. I live out side a small town in Northern
    >>>Kentucky that as no coverage in the town. Network coverage in Northern
    >>>Kentucky is kind of poor any way and is not getting any better.

    >>
    >>Read my message above ....*Still Waiting*
    >>I do not have a CP so my complaint is based on ppl who call me on a
    >>cell. That means I get a spectrum of carriers across different areas.
    >>My daughter called me from Boston the other day and it was as clear as
    >>a bell. Today my son calls on the road and we got dropped twice.
    >>That leads me to believe that if the cell user is in a city (near a
    >>tower or whatever) there can be quality. However, as the cell user
    >>moves away from a city it becomes more of a coin toss.
    >>>

    >
    >You base your conclusions on two phone calls? I live in a suburb of a
    >major city. If I drive 125 miles in any direction my calls are as
    >clear as if I was in the city. While I am not an expert I would
    >imagine there are many factors in reception and completing a call
    >other than proximity to a city.
    >
    >Sometimes calls are a crapshoot in a city too.


    No, of course not. Those were two calls that just happened to have
    come in within a few days of writing the message.
    And you might be correct. I was only trying to be fair in pointing out
    that within a city the reception might be better.
  16. Finding the keyboard operational
    Nick Danger entered:

    >> The problem with antennasearch is that it only lists th tower owner.
    >> If I set up a tower as Bob's Wireless and lease space to Verizon,
    >> Sprint and anyone else who can come up with the money, you wll only
    >> see Bob's Wireless on the search. Also you will not see antenni on
    >> buildings, watertowers or the like.
    >> Besides NIMBY's you also have the negotition of leases,
    >> infrastructure capacity etc. all of which can slow build out to
    >> crawl. You know that guy in the commercial? Can you hear me now? Believe
    >> it
    >> or not, call companies do that knod of testing. well it's a little
    >> more automated then that.

    >
    > OK - let me restate it. NO ONE has any applications outstanding for
    > towers or antennas in the areas I'm interested in. Maybe the list is
    > not complete or maybe I just didn't try hard enough, but it seems to
    > me like there is very little building going on. I guess I can
    > understand that the companies don't want to publicize their
    > construction plans too much, but I would feel better if I saw at
    > least some evidence that they were aware of the holes in their
    > coverage and had plans to improve it.

    If a cellular company has a dead spot, I am surethat they know about. Will
    they fix it?
    Maybe. It does depend on revenue generated.


    --￾
    --￾
    Coffee worth staying up for - NY Times
    www.moondoggiecoffee.com
  17. Nick Danger

    Nick Danger Guest

    "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:9yZEg.1198$Yy1.1@textfe.usenetserver.com...
    > How do you make heads or tails of the information on this site. All but
    > one
    > tower or antenna that I was able to view in the first area that I checked
    > had
    > no listing of what provider owned spectrum being operated from that tower.
    > In
    > short, it was not easily discernable whether any antennas for any given
    > provider were operating. One tower indicated a license by sprint and
    > another
    > tower indicated Verizon Wireless in its ownership, but beyond that, it was
    > impossible to glean much of any use.


    As far as I can tell, it covers all types of towers and antennas that
    broadcast on regulated frequencies (and maybe those that receive as well. In
    my area, I see a lot of antennas belonging to fire departments, ambulance
    services, etc. There seem to be a lot of towers belonging to Nextel. I also
    saw one that belonged to Cellular One, which I thought hadn't been doing
    business around here for at least 15 years. I assume someone else now
    operates it but probably the original license belonged to them. There was
    also a tower belonging to Community Cable, which was gobbled up by
    Cablevision 15 years ago. I don't think they were ever in the cell phone
    business, so I assume this tower is their TV antenna.

    Slight change of subject: Several times in the last few days I've had people
    tell me they tried to call me from their Verizon phones but the phone rang
    and I didn't answer. I knew I was in an area with a signal, but my phone
    never rang. Yet, any time I try to call it from my office phone or dial out
    to my office phone, the call goes through. This makes me wonder if, during
    peak usage times, Verizon gives out of network calls higher priority than
    "In calls" (which they don't make any money on).
  18. Nick Danger <yourname@yourdomain.com> wrote:
    >
    > Slight change of subject: Several times in the last few days I've had people
    > tell me they tried to call me from their Verizon phones but the phone rang
    > and I didn't answer. I knew I was in an area with a signal, but my phone
    > never rang. Yet, any time I try to call it from my office phone or dial out
    > to my office phone, the call goes through. This makes me wonder if, during
    > peak usage times, Verizon gives out of network calls higher priority than
    > "In calls" (which they don't make any money on).
    >


    I highly doubt that they differentiate ... in fact, I am sure it would be
    grounds for a lawsuite as it is not possible to my knowledge to remove
    "In-Calling". In any event, I have never noticed this issue and anybody that
    I know with a Verizon phone has never commented on having or getting
    ringthroughs. More than likely, your phone is in marginal coverage.

    --
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
    Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1
  19. Finding the keyboard operational
    Thomas T. Veldhouse entered:

    > Nick Danger <yourname@yourdomain.com> wrote:
    >>
    >> Slight change of subject: Several times in the last few days I've
    >> had people tell me they tried to call me from their Verizon phones
    >> but the phone rang and I didn't answer. I knew I was in an area with
    >> a signal, but my phone never rang. Yet, any time I try to call it
    >> from my office phone or dial out to my office phone, the call goes
    >> through. This makes me wonder if, during peak usage times, Verizon
    >> gives out of network calls higher priority than "In calls" (which
    >> they don't make any money on).
    >>

    >
    > I highly doubt that they differentiate ... in fact, I am sure it
    > would be grounds for a lawsuite as it is not possible to my knowledge
    > to remove "In-Calling". In any event, I have never noticed this
    > issue and anybody that I know with a Verizon phone has never
    > commented on having or getting ringthroughs. More than likely, your
    > phone is in marginal coverage.


    Nick, most likely you had a good pilot signal but no traffic channel
    available. Or for what ever reason your phone wasn't registered with the
    cell system. The only known cure for the second condition is to cycle the
    power.
    Bob

    --￾
    --￾
    Coffee worth staying up for - NY Times
    www.moondoggiecoffee.com

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