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cell phone use in hospitals

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by maryann, Nov 18, 2003.

  1. Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)

    "Al Klein" <rukbat@verizon.org> wrote in message news:h1mto051l3b218ghgpof3039heuatl1nut@4ax.com...
    > On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 06:33:53 GMT, "John Richards"
    > <jr70@blackhole.invalid> said in alt.cellular:
    >
    >>"Al Klein" <rukbat@verizon.org> wrote in message news:rd4ro0h37rukbe1e6i9r9ivreui8lhnli1@4ax.com...
    >>> On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 01:18:35 GMT, "John Richards"
    >>> <jr70@blackhole.invalid> said in alt.cellular:

    >
    >>>>Take a look at the Microsoft newsgroups on the NNTP server msnews.microsoft.com.
    >>>>More than 90% of the posts there are top-posted

    >
    >>> Good argument - against top posting.

    >
    >>Guess you missed reading the part where I said it was working out
    >>well for them, and that they're not clueless newbies.

    >
    > I saw it. If MS "sets a standard", that's a good reason to think that
    > there's at least one flaw with the "standard". Anything they set.
    > Just look at their "flavor of the week" OSs. Windows ME, anyone?


    Customers vote with their dollars. It may be 'cool' in certain circles to
    be anti-MS, but the fact remains that their OS is on 95% of all personal
    computers. As such, they are a force to be reckoned with, and can't be
    ignored.

    --
    John Richards
     



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  2. Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)

    "Scott Stephenson" <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:lI-dnUvCfcIB3RPcRVn-sw@adelphia.com...
    >
    > "John Richards" <jr70@blackhole.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:LJejd.3058$0A3.2323@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com...
    >
    >>
    >> Standards are not set in concrete.

    >
    > True, but when presented with the standards that well over half post here
    > with, you took the attitude of ,"f*** them all, I'll do what I want." Very
    > poor etiquette and it shows a lack of consideration.


    You're grossly mischaracterizing my position. As I've stated before,
    when I reply to a post I'll use whatever convention is already in use
    for that thread, eventhough I prefer top-posting.
    When in Rome, do as the Romans...

    --
    John Richards
     
  3. On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 12:10:01 -0700, DevilsPGD <devilspgd@crazyhat.net>
    > wrote:
    > We've been trying to teach some folks to read since
    > kindergarten and they apparently still can't caught on to the
    > fundamentals.


    Nor to basic grammar, apparently.

    --
    John Richards
     
  4. Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)

    "David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message news:nkgto01e7ndp63n7rfv85s3pfhgjh744f7@4ax.com...
    > P.P.S. To whoever it is who keeps mentioning fitting on one screen, not all
    > screens are the same and the examples you are citing of fitting on one
    > screen don't in my reader.


    Yep, it's a judgment call. For me, the preview screen shows about 31 lines.
    YMMV. If a post shows nothing but old quoted text for the first 31 lines, I'll
    skip it and go on to the next. Life is too short to waste it by scrolling
    Usenet posts.

    --
    John Richards
     
  5. Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)

    "John Richards" <jr70@blackhole.invalid> wrote in message
    news:v4Ojd.17383$Rf1.12451@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
    > "Al Klein" <rukbat@verizon.org> wrote in message

    news:h1mto051l3b218ghgpof3039heuatl1nut@4ax.com...
    > > On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 06:33:53 GMT, "John Richards"
    > > <jr70@blackhole.invalid> said in alt.cellular:
    > >
    > >>"Al Klein" <rukbat@verizon.org> wrote in message

    news:rd4ro0h37rukbe1e6i9r9ivreui8lhnli1@4ax.com...
    > >>> On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 01:18:35 GMT, "John Richards"
    > >>> <jr70@blackhole.invalid> said in alt.cellular:

    > >
    > >>>>Take a look at the Microsoft newsgroups on the NNTP server

    msnews.microsoft.com.
    > >>>>More than 90% of the posts there are top-posted

    > >
    > >>> Good argument - against top posting.

    > >
    > >>Guess you missed reading the part where I said it was working out
    > >>well for them, and that they're not clueless newbies.

    > >
    > > I saw it. If MS "sets a standard", that's a good reason to think that
    > > there's at least one flaw with the "standard". Anything they set.
    > > Just look at their "flavor of the week" OSs. Windows ME, anyone?

    >
    > Customers vote with their dollars. It may be 'cool' in certain circles to
    > be anti-MS, but the fact remains that their OS is on 95% of all personal
    > computers. As such, they are a force to be reckoned with, and can't be
    > ignored.
    >

    Pretty shitty analogy. Over 95% of cars run on gasoline- that doesn't make
    the Saudis experts on motor vehicle regulations. Over 95% of the computers
    in my community run on electricity provided by the local utility- that
    doesn't make them experts on computer technology. Both are a force to be
    reckoned with and can't be ignored.

    Let's see if using your own analogy makes any sense to you- roughly 90% of
    the people posting in this thread are telling you top posting is not the
    accepted standard.
     
  6. Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)

    "John Richards" <jr70@blackhole.invalid> wrote in message
    news:1BOjd.17392$Rf1.5764@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
    > "Scott Stephenson" <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote in message

    news:lI-dnUvCfcIB3RPcRVn-sw@adelphia.com...
    > >
    > > "John Richards" <jr70@blackhole.invalid> wrote in message
    > > news:LJejd.3058$0A3.2323@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com...
    > >
    > >>
    > >> Standards are not set in concrete.

    > >
    > > True, but when presented with the standards that well over half post

    here
    > > with, you took the attitude of ,"f*** them all, I'll do what I want."

    Very
    > > poor etiquette and it shows a lack of consideration.

    >
    > You're grossly mischaracterizing my position. As I've stated before,
    > when I reply to a post I'll use whatever convention is already in use
    > for that thread, eventhough I prefer top-posting.
    > When in Rome, do as the Romans...
    >
    > --

    You know what, John- I'll give you that one. And looking at your posts
    indicates that you have done just that. And for that you get an apology.
     
  7. Steve B

    Steve B Guest

    Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)

    I hate having to scroll when bottom-posters do not snip the unimportant
    parts of a posting...
     
  8. Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)

    "Steve B" <netuser49@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:WeWjd.9579$Gm6.4003@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
    > I hate having to scroll when bottom-posters do not snip the unimportant
    > parts of a posting...
    >
    >

    Yep- almost as annoying as those that snip the whole post to lose all points
    of reference.
     
  9. Steve B

    Steve B Guest

    Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)

    Scott wrote "almost as annoying as those that snip the whole post to lose
    all points of reference."

    Unless of course, like me, one is expressing an opinion not related to
    anything within the lines of text. The subject, in this case, is worded
    adequately for understanding what this post is about. Would you agree?
     
  10. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)

    On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 17:32:11 GMT, "John Richards"
    <jr70@blackhole.invalid> said in alt.cellular:

    >"Al Klein" <rukbat@verizon.org> wrote in message news:h1mto051l3b218ghgpof3039heuatl1nut@4ax.com...


    >> I saw it. If MS "sets a standard", that's a good reason to think that
    >> there's at least one flaw with the "standard". Anything they set.
    >> Just look at their "flavor of the week" OSs. Windows ME, anyone?


    >Customers vote with their dollars.


    Customers buy computers. Those computers, due to coercive agreements
    at one time, have a Windows OS. No customer "voted" to use a MS OS
    until very recently, and then only a few knowledgeable customers.
    Most people take what comes on the computer, and don't even know that
    they have alternatives.

    > It may be 'cool' in certain circles to
    >be anti-MS, but the fact remains that their OS is on 95% of all personal
    >computers. As such, they are a force to be reckoned with, and can't be
    >ignored.


    As an OS, yes. As apps, yes. That still doesn't make them a
    standards committee.
     
  11. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)

    On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 04:33:35 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> said in alt.cellular:

    >P.P.S. To whoever it is who keeps mentioning fitting on one screen, not all
    >screens are the same and the examples you are citing of fitting on one
    >screen don't in my reader.


    It's not only the reader. You and I use the same one (albeit
    different versions), but my screen resolution is 1280X800. YMMV.
     
  12. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)

    On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:06:53 GMT, "John Richards"
    <jr70@blackhole.invalid> said in alt.cellular:

    >You're grossly mischaracterizing my position. As I've stated before,
    >when I reply to a post I'll use whatever convention is already in use
    >for that thread, eventhough I prefer top-posting.
    >When in Rome, do as the Romans...


    The majority of "Romans" bottom post.
     
  13. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)

    On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 21:26:23 GMT, "John Richards"
    <jr70@blackhole.invalid> said in alt.cellular:

    >Yep, it's a judgment call. For me, the preview screen shows about 31 lines.
    >YMMV. If a post shows nothing but old quoted text for the first 31 lines, I'll
    >skip it and go on to the next. Life is too short to waste it by scrolling
    >Usenet posts.


    Very few news readers (if any) have "preview screens", unless you
    count the topic as a preview.
     
  14. DevilsPGD

    DevilsPGD Guest

    Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)

    In message <AiWjd.9584$Gm6.7475@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> "Steve
    B" <netuser49@hotmail.com> wrote:

    >Unless of course, like me, one is expressing an opinion not related to
    >anything within the lines of text. The subject, in this case, is worded
    >adequately for understanding what this post is about. Would you agree?


    No. In that case, start a new thread.


    --
    Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we.
    They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country
    and our people, and neither do we.
    -- George W. Bush 08/05/2004
     
  15. DevilsPGD

    DevilsPGD Guest

    Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)

    In message <m8i0p0h2ggrc8gbemjaou51ibivv7qov9p@4ax.com> Al Klein
    <rukbat@verizon.org> wrote:

    >>Yep, it's a judgment call. For me, the preview screen shows about 31 lines.
    >>YMMV. If a post shows nothing but old quoted text for the first 31 lines, I'll
    >>skip it and go on to the next. Life is too short to waste it by scrolling
    >>Usenet posts.

    >
    >Very few news readers (if any) have "preview screens", unless you
    >count the topic as a preview.


    And some of those that do can be made to collapse quotes anyway, so you
    get to see the new content right away, without breaking the discussion.


    --
    Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we.
    They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country
    and our people, and neither do we.
    -- George W. Bush 08/05/2004
     
  16. IMHO

    IMHO Guest

    Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)

    "DevilsPGD" <devilspgd@crazyhat.net> wrote in message
    news:h0k0p0ljppbo8jtdng48sg49du1r79sr15@news.supernews.com...
    > In message <m8i0p0h2ggrc8gbemjaou51ibivv7qov9p@4ax.com> Al Klein
    > <rukbat@verizon.org> wrote:
    >
    >>>Yep, it's a judgment call. For me, the preview screen shows about 31
    >>>lines.
    >>>YMMV. If a post shows nothing but old quoted text for the first 31 lines,
    >>>I'll
    >>>skip it and go on to the next. Life is too short to waste it by scrolling
    >>>Usenet posts.

    >>
    >>Very few news readers (if any) have "preview screens", unless you
    >>count the topic as a preview.

    >
    > And some of those that do can be made to collapse quotes anyway, so you
    > get to see the new content right away, without breaking the discussion.
    >

    If the quotes are collapsed - what is the difference between top & bottom
    posting?
     
  17. DevilsPGD

    DevilsPGD Guest

    Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)

    In message <XsYjd.48630$_g6.31968@okepread03> "IMHO" <nospam@nospam.net>
    wrote:

    >> And some of those that do can be made to collapse quotes anyway, so you
    >> get to see the new content right away, without breaking the discussion.
    >>

    >If the quotes are collapsed - what is the difference between top & bottom
    >posting?


    The flow of conversation is preserved. Personally, I don't use that
    functionality myself, but it's an option.


    --
    Going to war over religion is fighting to see who's got the
    better imaginary friend.
     
  18. Steve B

    Steve B Guest

    Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)


    > No. In that case, start a new thread.


    Why on earth would I want to start a new thread with the same subject? Your
    logic puzzles me....
     
  19. dr.wireMORE

    dr.wireMORE Guest

    Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)

    Why I like top-posting? If you are "following" the thread, then YOU get the
    most relavent information immediately, the last update. If you are "NOT"
    following the thread, then you'll get the information in reverse order, and
    you are welcome to read the entire note (if it is included).

    While I might miss out on some information, I use a pre-view screen.
    Pre-view appears to support top-posting, the most new/relevant information
    on top. But if someone would contact the developers and have the preview
    window start at the "bottom" or last item, then I'd add my comments at the
    bottom.

    Top-posting supports people who are active in a comment; anything else is
    more akward. But this is must my opinion, and if I miss a good comment
    because it is on the bottom, so be it.
    dr

    (does the following..<below>. actually help you with this thread... or does
    my top information give you the jest of my comment and reply) Eithe way,
    there is good info in the newsgroups, how easy it is, depends on how you use
    it, your style, the thread, etc.

    "Steve B" <netuser49@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:aI2kd.5627$_J2.1042@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
    > Why on earth would I want to start a new thread with the same subject?
    > Your logic puzzles me....
     
  20. DevilsPGD

    DevilsPGD Guest

    Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)

    In message <aI2kd.5627$_J2.1042@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net> "Steve
    B" <netuser49@hotmail.com> wrote:

    >> No. In that case, start a new thread.

    >
    >Why on earth would I want to start a new thread with the same subject? Your
    >logic puzzles me....


    If your post has nothing to do with the topic at hand... Such as this
    example, where you quoted nothing and changed the subject.

    It would be one thing if you were following up on an existing topic, but
    in this case, you were the one changing the topic.

    --
    Going to war over religion is fighting to see who's got the
    better imaginary friend.
     

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