Cellular billing scam?

| >some states (Texas was one last I checked) have one party consent rules.
If
| >either party says it's ok then it's legal. I don't have the cites but
the
| >insurance companies ran cross ways on this as their answering device
stated
| >the call may be recorded which gave the caller the same option. but
check
| >with a lawyer for your area.
|
| With one party consent, why would the company bother mentioning it? As
| long as the company consents, then it's legal, no?

The main reason for mentioning the practice is CYA.

 

Bob Ward wrote on [Sun, 21 Dec 2003 06:01:27 GMT]:
> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 01:31:48 GMT, DevilsPGD
> <lookatmeNOSPAM@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>
>>In message <<74m7uvk42s9uqjk4q6l09jirkl347c0a97@4ax.com>> Bob Ward
>><bobward@email.com> did ramble:
>>
>>>You don't listen very well, do you? The required disclosure specifies
>>>that "If you do not wish your call to be recorded, please tell your
>>>representative when he/she comes on the line."
>>
>>Interesting, I've never heard that, but I've never phoned verizon
>>either, so that might be why.
>
> I can't recall ever dialing any tech support number and NOT getting
> such a disclaimer.

I make a lot of calls to companies like this and have NEVER heard the
disclaimer.

 

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 22:15:37 -0700, DevilsPGD
<lookatmeNOSPAM@crazyhat.net> wrote:

>
>With one party consent, why would the company bother mentioning it? As
>long as the company consents, then it's legal, no?

Not all states allow it with only one party's consent, some require
both party's consent - ask Linda Tripp about it (8->

 

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 23:29:27 -0700, DevilsPGD
<lookatmeNOSPAM@crazyhat.net> wrote:

>
>Everywhere I call mentions that the call may be recorded, but I've never
>heard an opt-out option. *shrugs* Probably regional.

It is up to the calling party to initiate the "opt out" when they get
connected to a "person" (You have to believe that they would not opt
out if they were put into voice mail (8->

 

In alt.cellular DevilsPGD <lookatmeNOSPAM@crazyhat.net> wrote:
> In message <<74m7uvk42s9uqjk4q6l09jirkl347c0a97@4ax.com>> Bob Ward
> <bobward@email.com> did ramble:
>
>>You don't listen very well, do you? The required disclosure specifies
>>that "If you do not wish your call to be recorded, please tell your
>>representative when he/she comes on the line."
>
> Interesting, I've never heard that, but I've never phoned verizon
> either, so that might be why.

Verizon landline does it, I think. Yes, they do. I just called them a
second ago. Try it: 1-800-GTE-1000. The disclaimer and opt-out instructions
come right after "Welcome to Verizon... on the web at Verizon.com."

I don't recall Verizon Wireless ever doing it, though, and I've been a
customer since mid-2000.

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Steve Sobol, Geek In Charge * 888.480.4NET (4638) * sjsobol@JustThe.net

 

In alt.cellular Not Me <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> stated
> | >the call may be recorded which gave the caller the same option. but
> check
> | >with a lawyer for your area.
> |
> | With one party consent, why would the company bother mentioning it? As
> | long as the company consents, then it's legal, no?
>
> The main reason for mentioning the practice is CYA.

Plus, the caller may be calling from a two-party state, in which case the
legalese is necessary.

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Steve Sobol, Geek In Charge * 888.480.4NET (4638) * sjsobol@JustThe.net

 

"Swingman" <sbt_nospammers@silcom.com> wrote in
news:vu3tmg8m17i2c8@news.supernews.com:

>> The last time I witnessed someone try the "I'm tape recording this
>> call" trick, the rep warned him that they would have to terminate the
>> call unless he stopped... when he refused, he was immediately hung up
>> on.
>
> That's interesting since most CS call these days begin with them
> telling you that "your call may be monitored and recorded for quality
> assurance".

Can you legally tape record a phone call without notifying the other party
if they notify you first that they are recording the call?

--
Dan Solomon

 

On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 02:11:50 GMT, Dan Solomon <dansolo@attbi.com>
wrote:

>
>Can you legally tape record a phone call without notifying the other party
>if they notify you first that they are recording the call?


depends on where you are located and where the other party on the call
is located - ask Linda Tripp (8->

There is a site on the web that has all the info you would need to
know about the subject - try google

 

> Can you legally tape record a phone call without notifying the other party
> if they notify you first that they are recording the call?

I am not a lawyer

In Canada, all you need is the consent of any party
to the conversation. The details of admissibility in court
will depend on each province's rules, but generally speaking
it should get in if you submit the whole unedited tape.

 

avoidspam@invalid.net wrote in
news:nr9nuv4ipoidu18amheofhtbfrms5ne7rt@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 02:11:50 GMT, Dan Solomon <dansolo@attbi.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Can you legally tape record a phone call without notifying the other
>>party if they notify you first that they are recording the call?
>
>
> depends on where you are located and where the other party on the call
> is located - ask Linda Tripp (8->

That is not what I am asking. What I asked was if one party initiates
recording a conversation, does that constitute permission for the other
party to record it as well?

--
Dan Solomon

 

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 20:24:01 GMT, Dan Solomon <dansolo@attbi.com>
wrote:

>
>That is not what I am asking. What I asked was if one party initiates
>recording a conversation, does that constitute permission for the other
>party to record it as well?

and that is what the answer was directed to - depends on where you are
and where the calling party is - more precisely actually where you are
located what might be legal for the caller may not be legal for you,
again depending on where each of you are located.