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Cellular billing scam?

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Dave C., Dec 17, 2003.

  1. Not Me

    Not Me Guest

    | >some states (Texas was one last I checked) have one party consent rules.
    If
    | >either party says it's ok then it's legal. I don't have the cites but
    the
    | >insurance companies ran cross ways on this as their answering device
    stated
    | >the call may be recorded which gave the caller the same option. but
    check
    | >with a lawyer for your area.
    |
    | With one party consent, why would the company bother mentioning it? As
    | long as the company consents, then it's legal, no?

    The main reason for mentioning the practice is CYA.



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  2. Justin

    Justin Guest

    Bob Ward wrote on [Sun, 21 Dec 2003 06:01:27 GMT]:
    > On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 01:31:48 GMT, DevilsPGD
    > <lookatmeNOSPAM@crazyhat.net> wrote:
    >
    >>In message <<74m7uvk42s9uqjk4q6l09jirkl347c0a97@4ax.com>> Bob Ward
    >><bobward@email.com> did ramble:
    >>
    >>>You don't listen very well, do you? The required disclosure specifies
    >>>that "If you do not wish your call to be recorded, please tell your
    >>>representative when he/she comes on the line."

    >>
    >>Interesting, I've never heard that, but I've never phoned verizon
    >>either, so that might be why.

    >
    > I can't recall ever dialing any tech support number and NOT getting
    > such a disclaimer.


    I make a lot of calls to companies like this and have NEVER heard the
    disclaimer.
  3. On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 22:15:37 -0700, DevilsPGD
    <lookatmeNOSPAM@crazyhat.net> wrote:

    >
    >With one party consent, why would the company bother mentioning it? As
    >long as the company consents, then it's legal, no?


    Not all states allow it with only one party's consent, some require
    both party's consent - ask Linda Tripp about it (8->
  4. On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 23:29:27 -0700, DevilsPGD
    <lookatmeNOSPAM@crazyhat.net> wrote:

    >
    >Everywhere I call mentions that the call may be recorded, but I've never
    >heard an opt-out option. *shrugs* Probably regional.


    It is up to the calling party to initiate the "opt out" when they get
    connected to a "person" (You have to believe that they would not opt
    out if they were put into voice mail (8->
  5. In alt.cellular DevilsPGD <lookatmeNOSPAM@crazyhat.net> wrote:
    > In message <<74m7uvk42s9uqjk4q6l09jirkl347c0a97@4ax.com>> Bob Ward
    > <bobward@email.com> did ramble:
    >
    >>You don't listen very well, do you? The required disclosure specifies
    >>that "If you do not wish your call to be recorded, please tell your
    >>representative when he/she comes on the line."

    >
    > Interesting, I've never heard that, but I've never phoned verizon
    > either, so that might be why.


    Verizon landline does it, I think. Yes, they do. I just called them a
    second ago. Try it: 1-800-GTE-1000. The disclaimer and opt-out instructions
    come right after "Welcome to Verizon... on the web at Verizon.com."

    I don't recall Verizon Wireless ever doing it, though, and I've been a
    customer since mid-2000.

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    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services
    22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
    Steve Sobol, Geek In Charge * 888.480.4NET (4638) * sjsobol@JustThe.net
  6. In alt.cellular Not Me <me@privacy.net> wrote:
    > stated
    > | >the call may be recorded which gave the caller the same option. but
    > check
    > | >with a lawyer for your area.
    > |
    > | With one party consent, why would the company bother mentioning it? As
    > | long as the company consents, then it's legal, no?
    >
    > The main reason for mentioning the practice is CYA.


    Plus, the caller may be calling from a two-party state, in which case the
    legalese is necessary.

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    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services
    22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
    Steve Sobol, Geek In Charge * 888.480.4NET (4638) * sjsobol@JustThe.net
  7. Dan Solomon

    Dan Solomon Guest

    "Swingman" <sbt_nospammers@silcom.com> wrote in
    news:vu3tmg8m17i2c8@news.supernews.com:

    >> The last time I witnessed someone try the "I'm tape recording this
    >> call" trick, the rep warned him that they would have to terminate the
    >> call unless he stopped... when he refused, he was immediately hung up
    >> on.

    >
    > That's interesting since most CS call these days begin with them
    > telling you that "your call may be monitored and recorded for quality
    > assurance".


    Can you legally tape record a phone call without notifying the other party
    if they notify you first that they are recording the call?

    --
    Dan Solomon
  8. On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 02:11:50 GMT, Dan Solomon <dansolo@attbi.com>
    wrote:

    >
    >Can you legally tape record a phone call without notifying the other party
    >if they notify you first that they are recording the call?



    depends on where you are located and where the other party on the call
    is located - ask Linda Tripp (8->

    There is a site on the web that has all the info you would need to
    know about the subject - try google
  9. > Can you legally tape record a phone call without notifying the other party
    > if they notify you first that they are recording the call?


    I am not a lawyer

    In Canada, all you need is the consent of any party
    to the conversation. The details of admissibility in court
    will depend on each province's rules, but generally speaking
    it should get in if you submit the whole unedited tape.
  10. Dan Solomon

    Dan Solomon Guest

    avoidspam@invalid.net wrote in
    news:nr9nuv4ipoidu18amheofhtbfrms5ne7rt@4ax.com:

    > On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 02:11:50 GMT, Dan Solomon <dansolo@attbi.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>Can you legally tape record a phone call without notifying the other
    >>party if they notify you first that they are recording the call?

    >
    >
    > depends on where you are located and where the other party on the call
    > is located - ask Linda Tripp (8->


    That is not what I am asking. What I asked was if one party initiates
    recording a conversation, does that constitute permission for the other
    party to record it as well?

    --
    Dan Solomon
  11. On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 20:24:01 GMT, Dan Solomon <dansolo@attbi.com>
    wrote:

    >
    >That is not what I am asking. What I asked was if one party initiates
    >recording a conversation, does that constitute permission for the other
    >party to record it as well?


    and that is what the answer was directed to - depends on where you are
    and where the calling party is - more precisely actually where you are
    located what might be legal for the caller may not be legal for you,
    again depending on where each of you are located.

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