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Continuous Caller ID blocking free?

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Nobody, Apr 6, 2004.

  1. CharlesH

    CharlesH Guest

    In article <MPG.1b12133b9433f07e9896c2@news.newsguy.com>,
    Louise <none@nospam.com> wrote:
    >In article <c74lbf11nf4@news4.newsguy.com>, hoch@exemplary.invalid
    >says...
    >> In article <MPG.1aff8985226cbc4998969e@news.newsguy.com>,
    >> Louise <none@nospam.com> wrote:
    >> >When my daughter got a VZ phone, we began using in network calling.
    >> >
    >> >I put a *82 in front of her number in the phonebook, thereby making my
    >> >caller ID available to her, and therefore, also to Verizon.
    >> >
    >> >It seems to be working because I'm not getting charged for the calls and
    >> >they are being listed as "in network".

    >>
    >> Are you saying that your CID was blocked, and calls to your daughter
    >> were not listed as In-Network on her phone, but when you did *82 to
    >> unblock CID, calls to your daughter became In-Network to her??!!
    >>
    >>

    >Here's what I know:
    >
    >She had me in her address book and had assigned a special ring.
    >
    >When I called from my cell, which has caller ID blocked, my call didn't
    >show up with my name, nor did it give a special ring.
    >
    >When I placed a *82 in front of her number so that I dialed *82 and then
    >her cell number, my name came up along with my special ring.
    >
    >We didn't try it long enough without the *82 for me to see how the
    >billing would have been.


    The phone uses the caller-id info to find the caller's name in your
    phone's phonebook, and use any distintive ringtone you have assigned to
    that number. If the caller-id is blocked, the phone won't have that
    info. But the *VZW system* knows who called, and can bill the call as
    In-Network as appropriate.
     



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  2. "CharlesH" <hoch@exemplary.invalid> wrote in message
    news:c89iev04mv@news3.newsguy.com...
    > The phone uses the caller-id info to find the caller's name in your
    > phone's phonebook, and use any distintive ringtone you have assigned to
    > that number. If the caller-id is blocked, the phone won't have that
    > info. But the *VZW system* knows who called, and can bill the call as
    > In-Network as appropriate.


    It is worth noting that I have seen Verizon literature that says if you
    block CallerID your call may not count as In-Network and hence be billed as
    a normal call.

    -Eric
     
  3. Eric Rosenberry <erics@r3moverosenberry.org> wrote:

    > It is worth noting that I have seen Verizon literature that says if you
    > block CallerID your call may not count as In-Network and hence be billed as
    > a normal call.


    Which is utter BS, because the switch knows your number whether or not
    CID was passed. If Verizon starts doing this, I hope they lose a lot of
    customers.

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  4. Carlo Coggi

    Carlo Coggi Guest

    Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:

    > If Verizon starts doing this,


    They've been doing it for over a year. Call Verizon and ask. If you
    don't believe what one rep says, ask them to mail you information about
    it and they will.
     
  5. Carlo Coggi <noemail@forme.com> wrote:
    > Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:
    >
    >> If Verizon starts doing this,

    >
    > They've been doing it for over a year. Call Verizon and ask. If you
    > don't believe what one rep says, ask them to mail you information about
    > it and they will.


    Lovely.

    I wouldn't have noticed it. I don't block caller ID from my phone, and
    I don't use the share-plan M2M I have on my account, and I don't use IN-
    Network calling to other customers.


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    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, Apple Valley, CA PGP: 0xE3AE35ED
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net
    Domain Names, $9.95/yr, 24x7 service: http://DomainNames.JustThe.net/
    "someone once called me a sofa, but i didn't feel compelled to rush out and buy
    slip covers." -adam brower * Hiroshima '45, Chernobyl '86, Windows 98/2000/2003
     
  6. Peter Ross

    Peter Ross Guest

    Steven J Sobol wrote:
    > Carlo Coggi <noemail@forme.com> wrote:
    >
    >>Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>If Verizon starts doing this,

    >>
    >>They've been doing it for over a year. Call Verizon and ask. If you
    >>don't believe what one rep says, ask them to mail you information about
    >>it and they will.

    >
    >
    > Lovely.
    >
    > I wouldn't have noticed it. I don't block caller ID from my phone, and
    > I don't use the share-plan M2M I have on my account, and I don't use IN-
    > Network calling to other customers.
    >


    I believe you all, but, I've blocked caller ID for over two years and
    all of my calls to other Verizon cell phones have been billed under the
    1,000 free M2M minutes I'm allowed.
    >
     
  7. CharlesH

    CharlesH Guest

    In article <NrKdnZfm25HIwTXdRVn-jA@comcast.com>,
    Eric Rosenberry <erics@R3MOVErosenberry.org> wrote:
    >"CharlesH" <hoch@exemplary.invalid> wrote in message
    >news:c89iev04mv@news3.newsguy.com...
    >> The phone uses the caller-id info to find the caller's name in your
    >> phone's phonebook, and use any distintive ringtone you have assigned to
    >> that number. If the caller-id is blocked, the phone won't have that
    >> info. But the *VZW system* knows who called, and can bill the call as
    >> In-Network as appropriate.

    >
    >It is worth noting that I have seen Verizon literature that says if you
    >block CallerID your call may not count as In-Network and hence be billed as
    >a normal call.
    >
    >-Eric


    The literature I have seen says that "Caller ID must be available"
    on incoming calls to assure In-Network. Blocking does not stop the
    availability of the CID info; it just prevents it from reaching the
    called phone.
     
  8. CharlesH

    CharlesH Guest

    In article <5x5qc.15874$hH.389626@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
    Peter Ross <pross@att.net> wrote:
    >
    >
    >Steven J Sobol wrote:
    >> Carlo Coggi <noemail@forme.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>If Verizon starts doing this,
    >>>
    >>>They've been doing it for over a year. Call Verizon and ask. If you
    >>>don't believe what one rep says, ask them to mail you information about
    >>>it and they will.

    >>
    >>
    >> Lovely.
    >>
    >> I wouldn't have noticed it. I don't block caller ID from my phone, and
    >> I don't use the share-plan M2M I have on my account, and I don't use IN-
    >> Network calling to other customers.
    >>

    >
    >I believe you all, but, I've blocked caller ID for over two years and
    >all of my calls to other Verizon cell phones have been billed under the
    >1,000 free M2M minutes I'm allowed.


    Blocking is not the issue on OUTGOING calls; when *you* place a call,
    the system knows who you are and who you are calling, and thus whether
    *you* should be billed M2M.

    The issue is on INCOMING calls, if the CID is blocked on a call *to*
    you, will you be billed M2M? My claim is that blocking should have no
    effect on whether the VZW system can determine the calling number. The
    info may not be *available* due to network limitations, but that has
    nothing to do with user blocking.

    Does the VZW info on In-Network actually mention "blocking" CID, or just
    "CID must be available" on incoming calls and the feature "present" on
    the line? I have only seen the latter.

    Quoting the VZW Web site:

    National IN-Network Calling requires that Caller-ID be present on each
    line. If Caller ID is not present, National IN-Network Calling minutes
    will apply to outgoing calls only. National IN-Network Calling minutes
    do not apply to calls received when Caller ID is not present. National
    IN-Network Calling is not available to customers whose wireless exchange
    restricts the delivery of Caller ID or with fixed wireless devices with
    usage substantially from a single cell site. Data, Push to Talk usage,
    and calls to your voice mail will not be rated IN-Network Calling.

    Nothing about blocking here.
     
  9. Peter Ross

    Peter Ross Guest

    CharlesH wrote:

    > In article <5x5qc.15874$hH.389626@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
    > Peter Ross <pross@att.net> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>Steven J Sobol wrote:
    >>
    >>>Carlo Coggi <noemail@forme.com> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>If Verizon starts doing this,
    >>>>
    >>>>They've been doing it for over a year. Call Verizon and ask. If you
    >>>>don't believe what one rep says, ask them to mail you information about
    >>>>it and they will.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Lovely.
    >>>
    >>>I wouldn't have noticed it. I don't block caller ID from my phone, and
    >>>I don't use the share-plan M2M I have on my account, and I don't use IN-
    >>>Network calling to other customers.
    >>>

    >>
    >>I believe you all, but, I've blocked caller ID for over two years and
    >>all of my calls to other Verizon cell phones have been billed under the
    >>1,000 free M2M minutes I'm allowed.

    >
    >
    > Blocking is not the issue on OUTGOING calls; when *you* place a call,
    > the system knows who you are and who you are calling, and thus whether
    > *you* should be billed M2M.
    >
    > The issue is on INCOMING calls, if the CID is blocked on a call *to*
    > you, will you be billed M2M? My claim is that blocking should have no
    > effect on whether the VZW system can determine the calling number. The
    > info may not be *available* due to network limitations, but that has
    > nothing to do with user blocking.
    >
    > Does the VZW info on In-Network actually mention "blocking" CID, or just
    > "CID must be available" on incoming calls and the feature "present" on
    > the line? I have only seen the latter.
    >
    > Quoting the VZW Web site:
    >
    > National IN-Network Calling requires that Caller-ID be present on each
    > line. If Caller ID is not present, National IN-Network Calling minutes
    > will apply to outgoing calls only. National IN-Network Calling minutes
    > do not apply to calls received when Caller ID is not present. National
    > IN-Network Calling is not available to customers whose wireless exchange
    > restricts the delivery of Caller ID or with fixed wireless devices with
    > usage substantially from a single cell site. Data, Push to Talk usage,
    > and calls to your voice mail will not be rated IN-Network Calling.
    >
    > Nothing about blocking here.


    That clears that up pretty well. Thanks.
    >
     
  10. ShackAttack

    ShackAttack Guest

    "CharlesH" <hoch@exemplary.invalid> wrote in message
    news:c8b0lg02tu6@news1.newsguy.com...
    > In article <NrKdnZfm25HIwTXdRVn-jA@comcast.com>,
    > Eric Rosenberry <erics@R3MOVErosenberry.org> wrote:
    > >"CharlesH" <hoch@exemplary.invalid> wrote in message
    > >news:c89iev04mv@news3.newsguy.com...
    > >> The phone uses the caller-id info to find the caller's name in your
    > >> phone's phonebook, and use any distintive ringtone you have assigned to
    > >> that number. If the caller-id is blocked, the phone won't have that
    > >> info. But the *VZW system* knows who called, and can bill the call as
    > >> In-Network as appropriate.

    > >
    > >It is worth noting that I have seen Verizon literature that says if you
    > >block CallerID your call may not count as In-Network and hence be billed

    as
    > >a normal call.
    > >
    > >-Eric

    >
    > The literature I have seen says that "Caller ID must be available"
    > on incoming calls to assure In-Network. Blocking does not stop the
    > availability of the CID info; it just prevents it from reaching the
    > called phone.
    >


    I don't want to burst any bubbles here, but I have seen the following.

    In-Network always seems to work on the outbound call. I have seen
    In-Network usage billed correctly with caller ID Block when both phone
    numbers are supported from the same billing system. While some are aware of
    the fact that Verizon has grown by buying/merging with other companies, most
    are not aware that the previous billing system (computer+software) was kept
    from the "old" company. VZW has been combining and standardizing the
    systems, but there are still different systems in use today.

    So what I guess I am saying is, if you use caller ID Block, you run the risk
    of NOT using your In-Network minutes.

    ShackAttack.
     

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