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Coverage at Old Faithful in Yellowstone??

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Chris Irwin, Jan 19, 2004.

  1. Don R

    Don R Guest

    They say it would require too many ugly towers. When I was there, the locals
    were fighting about it. The National Park Department at that time put all
    new towers on hold until they could come up with a national standard.

    "Scott Nelson" <spamcop@bnmnetworks.net> wrote in message
    news:ugaPb.30606$ko5.27312@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
    > Why weren't they allow to install "digital" inside the park?
    >
    > Scotty
    >
    > "Steven M. Scharf" <scharf.steven@linkearth.net> wrote in message
    > news:Er3Pb.20324$zj7.18579@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > >
    > > "Clay" <john@doe.com> wrote in message
    > > news:100pd63m3v49b13@corp.supernews.com...
    > > > If Cellular One (Western Wireless) has cdma or amps coverage then its

    > > highly
    > > > likely they have TDMA coverage there. They overlayed TDMA a couple

    years
    > > > before CDMA. They are also overlaying GSM so expect coverage there for
    > > > anyone who has a roaming agreement with WW.

    > >
    > > I think that at the time of TDMA they weren't permitted to install

    digital
    > > inside the park. It's a recent development.
    > >
    > >

    >
    >



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  2. Dan Albrich

    Dan Albrich Guest

    > I'm still hoping that I can get a digital signal so that I can get e-mail
    > through my laptop. We'll see.


    The A-side is Western Wireless/Cellular One (as mentioned). They do support
    TDMA and analog as of this past summer. My AT&T network phone was in digital
    mode. I didn't have a GSM phone with me so I cannot say if GSM is present
    (but I doubt it). A tri-mode Verizon phone will find analog coverage at Old
    Faithful, but no digital unless they've upgraded. Western Wireless has
    overlayed CDMA in parts of the west-- strange to have CDMA, TDMA, and even
    GSM served by the same system but it is possible, and I have witnessed it.
    Notably even at Bryce Canyon you'll fine surprisingly good coverage on the
    rim which is digital CDMA and TDMA (both provided by western wireless).
    Note that none of this coverage was in the PRL when I travelled there. I
    achieved digital by selecting auto-a, then digital-only on my phone and this
    worked well (it did not automatically find the digital signal).

    Certain Verizon phones can "do data" even when roaming, albeit in analog
    mode and at slow speed of 4800-9600 baud. See
    http://www.ositech.com/Products/koc.htm for their analog modems. Avoid
    anything that requires a digital connection-- these don't work while roaming
    in my experience.
    I use one with a Nokia 3285 to get data in places where I don't have another
    option. I find slow speed data to be fine, especially for my text-only needs
    (i.e. SSH etc.). I also "browse" the web by turning off images. If I
    really need to see an image, I right-click it and select "show image" or
    equivelent. This actually works well if the content you're interested in is
    text. For the ositech solution to work, you need to have your own ISP.
    You cannot dial Verizon's QNC unless you are on their network.

    If you happen to be roaming on Alltel, you may be able to use QNC
    connections. I have tried to use QNC and normal ISP connections on every
    roaming partner in Oregon, and never had it work. Here

    -Dan
    --
    Eugene, Oregon -- Pacific Northwest
    http://cell.uoregon.eduin Oregon, you either have no data while roaming, or
    you have an analog cellular modem.
  3. Clay

    Clay Guest

    You can use QNC while roaming on Cellular One (Western Wireless) CDMA


    "Dan Albrich" <junkmail@shaney.uoregon.edui> wrote in message
    news:sP-dnUljYch-wZLdRVn2sA@comcast.com...
    > > I'm still hoping that I can get a digital signal so that I can get

    e-mail
    > > through my laptop. We'll see.

    >
    > The A-side is Western Wireless/Cellular One (as mentioned). They do

    support
    > TDMA and analog as of this past summer. My AT&T network phone was in

    digital
    > mode. I didn't have a GSM phone with me so I cannot say if GSM is present
    > (but I doubt it). A tri-mode Verizon phone will find analog coverage at

    Old
    > Faithful, but no digital unless they've upgraded. Western Wireless has
    > overlayed CDMA in parts of the west-- strange to have CDMA, TDMA, and even
    > GSM served by the same system but it is possible, and I have witnessed it.
    > Notably even at Bryce Canyon you'll fine surprisingly good coverage on the
    > rim which is digital CDMA and TDMA (both provided by western wireless).
    > Note that none of this coverage was in the PRL when I travelled there. I
    > achieved digital by selecting auto-a, then digital-only on my phone and

    this
    > worked well (it did not automatically find the digital signal).
    >
    > Certain Verizon phones can "do data" even when roaming, albeit in analog
    > mode and at slow speed of 4800-9600 baud. See
    > http://www.ositech.com/Products/koc.htm for their analog modems. Avoid
    > anything that requires a digital connection-- these don't work while

    roaming
    > in my experience.
    > I use one with a Nokia 3285 to get data in places where I don't have

    another
    > option. I find slow speed data to be fine, especially for my text-only

    needs
    > (i.e. SSH etc.). I also "browse" the web by turning off images. If I
    > really need to see an image, I right-click it and select "show image" or
    > equivelent. This actually works well if the content you're interested in

    is
    > text. For the ositech solution to work, you need to have your own ISP.
    > You cannot dial Verizon's QNC unless you are on their network.
    >
    > If you happen to be roaming on Alltel, you may be able to use QNC
    > connections. I have tried to use QNC and normal ISP connections on every
    > roaming partner in Oregon, and never had it work. Here
    >
    > -Dan
    > --
    > Eugene, Oregon -- Pacific Northwest
    > http://cell.uoregon.eduin Oregon, you either have no data while roaming,

    or
    > you have an analog cellular modem.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
  4. David L

    David L Guest

    "Steven M. Scharf" <scharf.steven@linkearth.net> wrote in message news:<fXnPb.19682$1e.11502@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
    > "David L" <davidlind@my-deja.com> wrote in message
    > news:e1705cb3.0401201932.53c7e6c3@posting.google.com...
    > > "Steven M. Scharf" <scharf.steven@linkearth.net> wrote in message

    > news:<6qcPb.18934$1e.10120@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
    > > > "Scott Nelson" <spamcop@bnmnetworks.net> wrote in message
    > > > news:ugaPb.30606$ko5.27312@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
    > > > > Why weren't they allow to install "digital" inside the park?
    > > >
    > > > You know, something about the NPs being a place to get away from cell
    > > > phones. There are no cell phone towers in Yosemite, but you can get

    > coverage
    > > > on AMPS in parts of the park from towers on the periphery. No digital
    > > > coverage at all.

    > >
    > > Yosemite's analog roaming is on Golden State Cellular, which provides
    > > intermitent coverage through the entire park to the eastern/Nevada
    > > side. The cost to this rural provider to deploying digital, for
    > > basically the tourist season, as well as the wide tower spacing will
    > > be a challenge. Trimode phones required for the foreseable future.

    >
    > Yes, it's AMPS only for the rural areas of Golden State Cellular, but they
    > do have some CDMA in the small towns.
    > Funny thing is, I could not use an AT&T AMPS/TDMA phone to roam onto GSC
    > AMPS. It kept asking for a credit card, but I tried three good credit cards
    > and none would work. I've used AMPS in Yosemite. Really runs the battery
    > down fast.


    My Callplus Att TDMA prepaid worked fine at Tuolomne Meadows. Think it
    was even digital. Mostly I used it to see if I could get an incomming
    call on my Verizon Phone. I couldn't ...until I did a *18 from the
    Verizon phone to register on the GSC network.

    Forgot which one, either Mastercard or Visa won't allow roaming phone
    charges.

    -
    David
  5. Chris Irwin

    Chris Irwin Guest

    Thanks for the info, Dan (and everybody else, by the way!)

    I know what you're saying about Bryce. Last spring I was staying at Bryce
    Canyon (at Ruby's motel) and was pleasantly surprised to get a weak digital
    connection on my Verizon phone.

    The same in Zion National Park. We stayed at the park lodge, and I got a
    good digital signal there.

    At both locations I didn't need to switch from my B-side, and I used QNC to
    get my e-mail.

    That ositech card looks interesting, but my phone isn't compatible. I have a
    tri-mode LG-T510.

    -Chris


    "Dan Albrich" <junkmail@shaney.uoregon.edui> wrote in message
    news:sP-dnUljYch-wZLdRVn2sA@comcast.com...
    > > I'm still hoping that I can get a digital signal so that I can get

    e-mail
    > > through my laptop. We'll see.

    >
    > The A-side is Western Wireless/Cellular One (as mentioned). They do

    support
    > TDMA and analog as of this past summer. My AT&T network phone was in

    digital
    > mode. I didn't have a GSM phone with me so I cannot say if GSM is present
    > (but I doubt it). A tri-mode Verizon phone will find analog coverage at

    Old
    > Faithful, but no digital unless they've upgraded. Western Wireless has
    > overlayed CDMA in parts of the west-- strange to have CDMA, TDMA, and even
    > GSM served by the same system but it is possible, and I have witnessed it.
    > Notably even at Bryce Canyon you'll fine surprisingly good coverage on the
    > rim which is digital CDMA and TDMA (both provided by western wireless).
    > Note that none of this coverage was in the PRL when I travelled there. I
    > achieved digital by selecting auto-a, then digital-only on my phone and

    this
    > worked well (it did not automatically find the digital signal).
    >
    > Certain Verizon phones can "do data" even when roaming, albeit in analog
    > mode and at slow speed of 4800-9600 baud. See
    > http://www.ositech.com/Products/koc.htm for their analog modems. Avoid
    > anything that requires a digital connection-- these don't work while

    roaming
    > in my experience.
    > I use one with a Nokia 3285 to get data in places where I don't have

    another
    > option. I find slow speed data to be fine, especially for my text-only

    needs
    > (i.e. SSH etc.). I also "browse" the web by turning off images. If I
    > really need to see an image, I right-click it and select "show image" or
    > equivelent. This actually works well if the content you're interested in

    is
    > text. For the ositech solution to work, you need to have your own ISP.
    > You cannot dial Verizon's QNC unless you are on their network.
    >
    > If you happen to be roaming on Alltel, you may be able to use QNC
    > connections. I have tried to use QNC and normal ISP connections on every
    > roaming partner in Oregon, and never had it work. Here
    >
    > -Dan
    > --
    > Eugene, Oregon -- Pacific Northwest
    > http://cell.uoregon.eduin Oregon, you either have no data while roaming,

    or
    > you have an analog cellular modem.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
  6. David L wrote:

    > Steven,
    > You're kidding right? After recommending towers on Halfdome... That link

    doesn't work. If your informing us that Old Faithful as been
    > converted to a man made contraption, I'd love a link that would prove
    > it. Totally believable, since geothermal vents are notorious for
    > moving or subsiding, leaving geothermal power generation plants high
    > and dry.
    > Can't find a thing on google.



    Try it again, sorry, I forgot the quotation marks to prevent the wrap.

    "http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=telecom16.
    283.1%40massis.lcs.mit.edu"

    This is a link about the cellular service in Yellowstone, not about the
    steam boilers. Sorry for the confusion.

    The boilers are behind the winter motel (Old Faithful lodge is closed in the
    winter). All the steam and water are piped under the road and across to Old
    Faithful. Few visitors ever venture back there as I think that the winter
    motel is used for staff housing during the warmer months. Not a very nice
    place, compared to the spectacular Old Faithful Lodge, very Motel 6ish.

    You won't find any on-line information about Old Faithful and the boilers,
    though there was an account of it published in one obscure book that I read.
    All this happened after a small earthquake in the area a few years ago. Very
    few people know about it. Even most of the staff at the park are unaware of
    it, though I believe that the rangers know.

    Yes, I was kidding about putting a transmitter on top of Half Dome. But with
    all the development in Yosemite Valley, I see nothing wrong with cells down
    there. They can put it near the ATM.
  7. XFF

    XFF Guest

    "Steven M. Scharf" <scharf.steven@linkearth.net> wrote in message news:<1yIPb.21655$1e.13291@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>...

    > XFF wrote:
    >
    > > Golden State Cellular has towers in Yosemite NP (see
    > > http://www.goldenstatecellular.com/cellmaps.htm), not sure about
    > > ATTWS.

    >
    > AFAIK, GSC has no towers inside the park. The towers that provide coverage
    > are located outside the park.


    Did you look at the map I linked to? Also the FCC ULS reports tower
    locations for both GSC and ATTWS within Yosemite NP. I doubt they
    made that all up.
  8. XFF

    XFF Guest

    "Don R" <drennard@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in message news:<4IIPb.18719$q4.15017@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>...

    > "Scott Nelson" <spamcop@bnmnetworks.net> wrote in message news:ugaPb.30606$ko5.27312@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
    >
    > > "Steven M. Scharf" <scharf.steven@linkearth.net> wrote in message news:Er3Pb.20324$zj7.18579@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > >
    > > > "Clay" <john@doe.com> wrote in message news:100pd63m3v49b13@corp.supernews.com...
    > > >
    > > > > If Cellular One (Western Wireless) has cdma or amps coverage then its highly
    > > > > likely they have TDMA coverage there. They overlayed TDMA a couple years
    > > > > before CDMA. They are also overlaying GSM so expect coverage there for
    > > > > anyone who has a roaming agreement with WW.
    > > >
    > > > I think that at the time of TDMA they weren't permitted to install digital
    > > > inside the park. It's a recent development.

    > >
    > > Why weren't they allow to install "digital" inside the park?
    > >
    > > Scotty

    >
    > They say it would require too many ugly towers. When I was there, the locals
    > were fighting about it. The National Park Department at that time put all
    > new towers on hold until they could come up with a national standard.


    The tower looks the same, whether it transmits an analog or digital
    signal. So if an analog system was already present (as was assumed in
    this thread) it could have been upgraded to digital without changing
    the appearance of the installation in any way.
  9. Don R

    Don R Guest

    Yes, but digital requires more towers. They wanted no more towers. Digital
    does not have the range of analog.

    "XFF" <xff@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
    news:298d9cbf.0401221543.626eff48@posting.google.com...
    > "Don R" <drennard@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in message

    news:<4IIPb.18719$q4.15017@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
    >
    > > "Scott Nelson" <spamcop@bnmnetworks.net> wrote in message

    news:ugaPb.30606$ko5.27312@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
    > >
    > > > "Steven M. Scharf" <scharf.steven@linkearth.net> wrote in message

    news:Er3Pb.20324$zj7.18579@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > > >
    > > > > "Clay" <john@doe.com> wrote in message

    news:100pd63m3v49b13@corp.supernews.com...
    > > > >
    > > > > > If Cellular One (Western Wireless) has cdma or amps coverage then

    its highly
    > > > > > likely they have TDMA coverage there. They overlayed TDMA a couple

    years
    > > > > > before CDMA. They are also overlaying GSM so expect coverage there

    for
    > > > > > anyone who has a roaming agreement with WW.
    > > > >
    > > > > I think that at the time of TDMA they weren't permitted to install

    digital
    > > > > inside the park. It's a recent development.
    > > >
    > > > Why weren't they allow to install "digital" inside the park?
    > > >
    > > > Scotty

    > >
    > > They say it would require too many ugly towers. When I was there, the

    locals
    > > were fighting about it. The National Park Department at that time put

    all
    > > new towers on hold until they could come up with a national standard.

    >
    > The tower looks the same, whether it transmits an analog or digital
    > signal. So if an analog system was already present (as was assumed in
    > this thread) it could have been upgraded to digital without changing
    > the appearance of the installation in any way.
  10. John S.

    John S. Guest

    >Yes, but digital requires more towers.

    Actually this is not true. Same frequency, same transmitted power and digital
    will work further than analog.

    --
    John S.
    e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net
  11. John S. <sexyexotiche@aol.comspamfree> wrote:
    >>Yes, but digital requires more towers.

    >
    > Actually this is not true. Same frequency, same transmitted power and digital
    > will work further than analog.


    I'm sure that is the case, but the reality is that the vast majority of
    digital phones operate at a lower power level than AMPS phones did, so it
    really doesn't matter.

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, Apple Valley, CA
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net
    PGP: C57E 8B25 F994 D6D0 5F6B B961 EA08 9410 E3AE 35ED
  12. John S.

    John S. Guest

    >>>Yes, but digital requires more towers.
    >>
    >> Actually this is not true. Same frequency, same transmitted power and

    >digital
    >> will work further than analog.

    >
    >I'm sure that is the case, but the reality is that the vast majority of
    >digital phones operate at a lower power level than AMPS phones did, so it
    >really doesn't matter.


    I was only correcting the incorrect statement.

    In reality there are way too many factors and way too many variations on those
    factors. Anything from quality control at the phonemanufactuere to the amount
    of hair the user has covering the antenna in the phone.

    The conversation had nothing to do with AMPS. :)

    --
    John S.
    e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net
  13. That's funny, it everyone else's conversation had something to do with AMPS
    until you showed up. You are trying to suggest that people are not or could
    not be saying what they already did say. Just shut up for a change.

    -Jeff


    "John S." <sexyexotiche@aol.comspamfree> wrote in message
    news:20040127163910.04631.00000916@mb-m10.aol.com...
    > >>>Yes, but digital requires more towers.
    > >>
    > >> Actually this is not true. Same frequency, same transmitted power and

    > >digital
    > >> will work further than analog.

    > >
    > >I'm sure that is the case, but the reality is that the vast majority of
    > >digital phones operate at a lower power level than AMPS phones did, so it
    > >really doesn't matter.

    >
    > I was only correcting the incorrect statement.
    >
    > In reality there are way too many factors and way too many variations on

    those
    > factors. Anything from quality control at the phonemanufactuere to the

    amount
    > of hair the user has covering the antenna in the phone.
    >
    > The conversation had nothing to do with AMPS. :)
    >
    > --
    > John S.
    > e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net
  14. Chris Irwin

    Chris Irwin Guest

    "Jeff Phillips" <jeff_phil_NO_SPAM_PLEASE_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:101e5m72nuic18c@corp.supernews.com...
    > That's funny, it everyone else's conversation had something to do with

    AMPS
    > until you showed up. You are trying to suggest that people are not or

    could
    > not be saying what they already did say. Just shut up for a change.
    >
    > -Jeff



    Boys, boys. <Sigh>

    I'm the person who started this thread, and in case anybody cares, I just
    returned from the Old Faithful area and on my Verizon tri-mode phone found a
    very strong analog signal there.

    I tried switching from B side to A side in my quest to get a digital signal,
    but I just continued to get a strong analog signal.

    I ended up connecting my laptop in my room in the Old Faithful Snow Lodge to
    the Internet via a pre-paid Internet access service. I had to have my modem
    call their toll-free access number since there were no local-area ISPs.

    BTW, the city/town of West Yellowstone (just outside the park) has a very
    strong digital signal.

    -Chris
  15. Chris Irwin wrote:

    > I'm the person who started this thread, and in case anybody cares, I just
    > returned from the Old Faithful area and on my Verizon tri-mode phone found

    a
    > very strong analog signal there.
    >
    > I tried switching from B side to A side in my quest to get a digital

    signal,
    > but I just continued to get a strong analog signal.
    >
    > I ended up connecting my laptop in my room in the Old Faithful Snow Lodge

    to
    > the Internet via a pre-paid Internet access service. I had to have my

    modem
    > call their toll-free access number since there were no local-area ISPs.
    >
    > BTW, the city/town of West Yellowstone (just outside the park) has a very
    > strong digital signal.


    It's a sad commentary when you can't get high speed internet access at
    hotels/lodges inside our national parks. Someone should at least provide
    802.11 hot spots.

    BTW, how was the XC skiing? Must be great now that they've severely limited
    the number of snow mobiles. I've stayed at the Snow Lodge twice, and
    Yellowstone in winter was wonderful, aside from the snow mobiles.
  16. Killian

    Killian Guest

    We went snowmobile in Yellowstone 2 years ago and had coverage about 40% of
    the areas we were traveling to. Then again we were using the Startac 7868W,
    which was in analog mode almost 100 percent of the time. We are repeating
    the trip in 2 weeks so we will advise then

    Don't be so fast to buy a new digital phone only! All the bells and
    downloadable ringtones don't help in Yellowstone!


    "Chris Irwin" <NoSpam4Me@ThankYou.com> wrote in message
    news:101tk0hl2avroc1@corp.supernews.com...
    > "Jeff Phillips" <jeff_phil_NO_SPAM_PLEASE_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > news:101e5m72nuic18c@corp.supernews.com...
    > > That's funny, it everyone else's conversation had something to do with

    > AMPS
    > > until you showed up. You are trying to suggest that people are not or

    > could
    > > not be saying what they already did say. Just shut up for a change.
    > >
    > > -Jeff

    >
    >
    > Boys, boys. <Sigh>
    >
    > I'm the person who started this thread, and in case anybody cares, I just
    > returned from the Old Faithful area and on my Verizon tri-mode phone found

    a
    > very strong analog signal there.
    >
    > I tried switching from B side to A side in my quest to get a digital

    signal,
    > but I just continued to get a strong analog signal.
    >
    > I ended up connecting my laptop in my room in the Old Faithful Snow Lodge

    to
    > the Internet via a pre-paid Internet access service. I had to have my

    modem
    > call their toll-free access number since there were no local-area ISPs.
    >
    > BTW, the city/town of West Yellowstone (just outside the park) has a very
    > strong digital signal.
    >
    > -Chris
    >
    >
  17. Tom J

    Tom J Guest

    "Steven M. Scharf" <scharf.steven@linkearth.net> wrote in message
    news:Wa2Pb.20197$zj7.1798@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...

    >
    > I worked at the Old Faithful area of Yellowstone for three months with corps
    > of engineers when we put in the underground gas powered steam boilers and
    > pipe work back in 1997 (after Old Faithful stopped erupting naturally).


    If that isn't the biggest bunch of bull I've ever read. I saw on TV how they
    make it erupt on queue, and I'm sure many others have too.

    The ranger uses a glass of Metamucil!! :eek:)

    Tom J
  18. DexAZ

    DexAZ Guest

    Years back, some TV show (candid camera, maybe America's Funny Video???) ran
    a clip showing 2 guys dressed as Park Service employees carrying about 5
    feet of pipe and a big wheel like on a pipeline valve. Off to one side of
    the group tourists awaiting Old Faithful's eruption, theses guys made a show
    of setting the pipe upright into the boardwalk, placing the wheel on top of
    the pipe and then slowly turning the wheel...just as the geyser began to
    erupt. After the proper period of time, they slowly turned the wheel in the
    opposite direction, the geyser began to loose its power and diminished in
    size. With the "valve wheel" firmly closed, they removed the wheel from the
    pipe, the pipe from the boardwalk and headed back to stow away their gear
    until the next scheduled eruption. The look on the faces of those tourists
    was...priceless!!!

    (there was no Metamucil involved)

    DexAZ

    "Tom J" <tomj_ga@despammed.com> wrote in message
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    >
    > "Steven M. Scharf" <scharf.steven@linkearth.net> wrote in message
    > news:Wa2Pb.20197$zj7.1798@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    >
    > >
    > > I worked at the Old Faithful area of Yellowstone for three months with

    corps
    > > of engineers when we put in the underground gas powered steam boilers

    and
    > > pipe work back in 1997 (after Old Faithful stopped erupting naturally).

    >
    > If that isn't the biggest bunch of bull I've ever read. I saw on TV how

    they
    > make it erupt on queue, and I'm sure many others have too.
    >
    > The ranger uses a glass of Metamucil!! :eek:)
    >
    > Tom J
    >
    >
  19. Andy

    Andy Guest

    "Chris Irwin" <NoSpam4Me@ThankYou.com> wrote in message news:<100vnuur6q21oe6@corp.supernews.com>...
    > Thanks for the info, Dan (and everybody else, by the way!)
    >
    > I know what you're saying about Bryce. Last spring I was staying at Bryce
    > Canyon (at Ruby's motel) and was pleasantly surprised to get a weak digital
    > connection on my Verizon phone.
    >
    > The same in Zion National Park. We stayed at the park lodge, and I got a
    > good digital signal there.
    >
    > At both locations I didn't need to switch from my B-side, and I used QNC to
    > get my e-mail.
    >
    > That ositech card looks interesting, but my phone isn't compatible. I have a
    > tri-mode LG-T510.
    >
    > -Chris


    Those signals you got at Bryce and Zion were Verizon native coverage, right???
    >
    >
    > "Dan Albrich" <junkmail@shaney.uoregon.edui> wrote in message
    > news:sP-dnUljYch-wZLdRVn2sA@comcast.com...
    > > > I'm still hoping that I can get a digital signal so that I can get

    > e-mail
    > > > through my laptop. We'll see.

    > >
    > > The A-side is Western Wireless/Cellular One (as mentioned). They do

    > support
    > > TDMA and analog as of this past summer. My AT&T network phone was in

    > digital
    > > mode. I didn't have a GSM phone with me so I cannot say if GSM is present
    > > (but I doubt it). A tri-mode Verizon phone will find analog coverage at

    > Old
    > > Faithful, but no digital unless they've upgraded. Western Wireless has
    > > overlayed CDMA in parts of the west-- strange to have CDMA, TDMA, and even
    > > GSM served by the same system but it is possible, and I have witnessed it.
    > > Notably even at Bryce Canyon you'll fine surprisingly good coverage on the
    > > rim which is digital CDMA and TDMA (both provided by western wireless).
    > > Note that none of this coverage was in the PRL when I travelled there. I
    > > achieved digital by selecting auto-a, then digital-only on my phone and

    > this
    > > worked well (it did not automatically find the digital signal).
    > >
    > > Certain Verizon phones can "do data" even when roaming, albeit in analog
    > > mode and at slow speed of 4800-9600 baud. See
    > > http://www.ositech.com/Products/koc.htm for their analog modems. Avoid
    > > anything that requires a digital connection-- these don't work while

    > roaming
    > > in my experience.
    > > I use one with a Nokia 3285 to get data in places where I don't have

    > another
    > > option. I find slow speed data to be fine, especially for my text-only

    > needs
    > > (i.e. SSH etc.). I also "browse" the web by turning off images. If I
    > > really need to see an image, I right-click it and select "show image" or
    > > equivelent. This actually works well if the content you're interested in

    > is
    > > text. For the ositech solution to work, you need to have your own ISP.
    > > You cannot dial Verizon's QNC unless you are on their network.
    > >
    > > If you happen to be roaming on Alltel, you may be able to use QNC
    > > connections. I have tried to use QNC and normal ISP connections on every
    > > roaming partner in Oregon, and never had it work. Here
    > >
    > > -Dan
    > > --
    > > Eugene, Oregon -- Pacific Northwest
    > > http://cell.uoregon.eduin Oregon, you either have no data while roaming,

    > or
    > > you have an analog cellular modem.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
  20. Chris Irwin

    Chris Irwin Guest

    "Andy" <sanatyn@aol.com> wrote in message
    news:c3efabb9.0402080849.13627b14@posting.google.com...
    > "Chris Irwin" <NoSpam4Me@ThankYou.com> wrote in message

    news:<100vnuur6q21oe6@corp.supernews.com>...
    > > Thanks for the info, Dan (and everybody else, by the way!)
    > >
    > > I know what you're saying about Bryce. Last spring I was staying at

    Bryce
    > > Canyon (at Ruby's motel) and was pleasantly surprised to get a weak

    digital
    > > connection on my Verizon phone.
    > >
    > > The same in Zion National Park. We stayed at the park lodge, and I got a
    > > good digital signal there.
    > >
    > > At both locations I didn't need to switch from my B-side, and I used QNC

    to
    > > get my e-mail.
    > >
    > > That ositech card looks interesting, but my phone isn't compatible. I

    have a
    > > tri-mode LG-T510.
    > >
    > > -Chris

    >
    > Those signals you got at Bryce and Zion were Verizon native coverage,

    right???


    I'm afraid I don't remember if they were Verizon native coverage.

    I have a Single Rate West plan, so I never see extra charges on my bill for
    roaming outside the network.

    I do know that Verizon has built up its digital coverage around southern
    Utah, so those signals might very well have been native.

    -Chris

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