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Do Not Call List blocked by US Court

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by cell play, Sep 24, 2003.

  1. cell play

    cell play Guest

  2. George

    George Guest

    "cell play" <lately@late.com> wrote in message
    news:vn3fsdb10qjq0f@corp.supernews.com...
    > Great!!!! Here come the calls again.
    >
    >
    >

    http://money.cnn.com/2003/09/24/technology/do_not_call.reut/index.htm?cnn=ye
    s
    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]


    I like the comment where the DMC says it supports a private list and
    maintained one for years. We had our numbers added to "the list". Everytime
    I would get a telemarketing call I would ask if they were using "the list".
    Each one replied they either never heard of it or did not use it. At least
    my state (PA) has a do not call list that works really well. I guess the
    "reputable businesspeople" who telemarket will challenge that next.
     
  3. Mark F

    Mark F Guest

    >Kirk-O-Scottland" <kos@kosiam.not> wrote in article <vn3hke207q9d36@corp.supernews.com>:
    > They never stopped!
    >
    > "cell play" <lately@late.com> wrote in message
    > news:vn3fsdb10qjq0f@corp.supernews.com...
    > > Great!!!! Here come the calls again.
    > >
    > >
    > >

    > http://money.cnn.com/2003/09/24/technology/do_not_call.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes
    > >
    > > [posted via phonescoop.com]

    >
    >


    Damn...I was looking forward to finally having a quiet phone on October
    1st.

    [posted via phonescoop.com]
     
  4. Larry W4CSC wrote:
    >
    > What we need is a cellphone with fake FAX tones. That takes you off
    > the list poste haste.


    You *could* put it on your phone's voicemail *if* you
    never receive voicemail, and don't mind pissing people
    off if you do!

    Larry
     
  5. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    What we need is a cellphone with fake FAX tones. That takes you off
    the list poste haste.



    On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:00:13 -0000, lately@late.com (cell play) wrote:

    >Great!!!! Here come the calls again.
    >
    >
    >http://money.cnn.com/2003/09/24/technology/do_not_call.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes
    >
    >[posted via phonescoop.com]



    Larry W4CSC

    3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?
     
  6. Double U

    Double U Guest

    Some time around Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:47:03 GMT (give or take a month), someone
    called nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) rambled on about:

    >What we need is a cellphone with fake FAX tones. That takes you off
    >the list poste haste.



    My answering machine has the disconnected tones. Doesn't work all the time. I
    still get the "hello? Hello?" on my incoming messages.
     
  7. Samauri

    Samauri Guest

    nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) wrote:

    >> What we need is a cellphone with fake FAX tones. That takes you off
    >> the list poste haste.


    I recorded the three tones you get from a disconnected number at the begining of
    my answering machine tape. It has killed a large number of calls over the past
    6 months.

    This is the principal by which the Telezapper, etc., work - but without the cost
    of the device.
     
  8. Double U

    Double U Guest

    Some time around Thu, 25 Sep 2003 00:18:34 GMT (give or take a month), someone
    called Samauri <samauri@nospam123.bis> rambled on about:

    >I could be wrong, but isn't it illegal for telemarketers to call cellphones?
    >I know telemarketing faxes are illegal.


    No I don't think it is illegal. I remember a news story or something about it.
    Before I disconnected my AT&T cell I did get one telemarketing call. And at
    work, we get a fax once or twice a month selling something.
     
  9. On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 00:18:34 GMT, Samauri <samauri@nospam123.bis>
    wrote:

    >lately@late.com (cell play) wrote:
    >
    >>> Great!!!! Here come the calls again.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> http://money.cnn.com/2003/09/24/technology/do_not_call.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes
    >>>
    >>> [posted via phonescoop.com]

    >
    >I could be wrong, but isn't it illegal for telemarketers to call cellphones?
    >I know telemarketing faxes are illegal.


    Yes, it is, at least when automated dialing equipment is used.

    http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs5-tmkt.htm
    http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/47/227.html
     
  10. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    Maybe we could record the first couple of seconds of the message as a
    FAX tone! That would be plenty. We could blame the beep on the
    answering system so they wouldn't get mad at us.

    That should be enough time for the demon dialer computer to mark us as
    a fax machine.....Great idea! Thanks!

    On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:46:21 GMT, Lawrence Glasser
    <lglasser@spamcop.net> wrote:

    >Larry W4CSC wrote:
    >>
    >> What we need is a cellphone with fake FAX tones. That takes you off
    >> the list poste haste.

    >
    >You *could* put it on your phone's voicemail *if* you
    >never receive voicemail, and don't mind pissing people
    >off if you do!
    >
    >Larry



    Larry W4CSC

    3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?
     
  11. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    Hmm...I'm having flashbacks to the Blue Box-Red Box days spent in
    payphones.....(c;


    On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 00:15:44 GMT, Samauri <samauri@nospam123.bis>
    wrote:

    >nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) wrote:
    >
    >>> What we need is a cellphone with fake FAX tones. That takes you off
    >>> the list poste haste.

    >
    >I recorded the three tones you get from a disconnected number at the begining of
    >my answering machine tape. It has killed a large number of calls over the past
    >6 months.
    >
    >This is the principal by which the Telezapper, etc., work - but without the cost
    >of the device.
    >



    Larry W4CSC

    3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?
     
  12. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 00:18:34 GMT, Samauri <samauri@nospam123.bis>
    wrote:

    >lately@late.com (cell play) wrote:
    >
    >>> Great!!!! Here come the calls again.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> http://money.cnn.com/2003/09/24/technology/do_not_call.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes
    >>>
    >>> [posted via phonescoop.com]

    >
    >I could be wrong, but isn't it illegal for telemarketers to call cellphones?
    >I know telemarketing faxes are illegal.
    >

    Yes, It is a violation of Federal Law, but is unenforceable like most
    laws so nothing ever happens.



    Larry W4CSC

    3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?
     
  13. Larry W4CSC <nospam@home.com> wrote:

    >>I could be wrong, but isn't it illegal for telemarketers to call cellphones?
    >>I know telemarketing faxes are illegal.
    >>

    > Yes, It is a violation of Federal Law, but is unenforceable like most
    > laws so nothing ever happens.


    Actually it's not - I am on a junkfax mailing list and there are a number
    of people who've successfully sued junkers and collected, and I know of
    at least a few people who have successfully sued big companies for violations
    of the telemarketing clauses of the TCPA (the law that made junk faxes
    illegal)

    Cool thing is, it's a civil law that provides for private right of action,
    meaning you can go sue the offenders yourself.

    You still have to get a judge With Clue, and either educate yourself well
    on the law or have an attorney file on your behalf (one who knows something
    about the TCPA). But you can sue and win.

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & Multimedia Services
    22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
    Steve Sobol, Proprietor
    888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * sjsobol@JustThe.net
     
  14. Male Bomb

    Male Bomb Guest

    Ya sure? Larry knows everything... MB

    Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in article
    <N4idneinZZu05u-iU-KYuA@lmi.net>:
    > Larry W4CSC <nospam@home.com> wrote:
    >
    > >>I could be wrong, but isn't it illegal for telemarketers to call cellphones?
    > >>I know telemarketing faxes are illegal.
    > >>

    > > Yes, It is a violation of Federal Law, but is unenforceable like most
    > > laws so nothing ever happens.

    >
    > Actually it's not - I am on a junkfax mailing list and there are a number
    > of people who've successfully sued junkers and collected, and I know of
    > at least a few people who have successfully sued big companies for violations
    > of the telemarketing clauses of the TCPA (the law that made junk faxes
    > illegal)
    >
    > Cool thing is, it's a civil law that provides for private right of action,
    > meaning you can go sue the offenders yourself.
    >
    > You still have to get a judge With Clue, and either educate yourself well
    > on the law or have an attorney file on your behalf (one who knows something
    > about the TCPA). But you can sue and win.
    >
    > --
    > JustThe.net Internet & Multimedia Services
    > 22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
    > Steve Sobol, Proprietor
    > 888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * sjsobol@JustThe.net


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
     
  15. Male Bomb <malebomb@comcast.net> wrote:
    > Ya sure? Larry knows everything... MB


    Chill out. :p Yes, I'm sure.

    > Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in article
    > <N4idneinZZu05u-iU-KYuA@lmi.net>:
    >> Larry W4CSC <nospam@home.com> wrote:
    >>
    >> >>I could be wrong, but isn't it illegal for telemarketers to call cellphones?
    >> >>I know telemarketing faxes are illegal.
    >> >>
    >> > Yes, It is a violation of Federal Law, but is unenforceable like most
    >> > laws so nothing ever happens.

    >>
    >> Actually it's not - I am on a junkfax mailing list and there are a number
    >> of people who've successfully sued junkers and collected, and I know of
    >> at least a few people who have successfully sued big companies for violations
    >> of the telemarketing clauses of the TCPA (the law that made junk faxes
    >> illegal)
    >>
    >> Cool thing is, it's a civil law that provides for private right of action,
    >> meaning you can go sue the offenders yourself.
    >>
    >> You still have to get a judge With Clue, and either educate yourself well
    >> on the law or have an attorney file on your behalf (one who knows something
    >> about the TCPA). But you can sue and win.
    >>
    >> --
    >> JustThe.net Internet & Multimedia Services
    >> 22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
    >> Steve Sobol, Proprietor
    >> 888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * sjsobol@JustThe.net

    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]


    --
    JustThe.net Internet & Multimedia Services
    22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
    Steve Sobol, Proprietor
    888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * sjsobol@JustThe.net
     
  16. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 05:58:28 -0000, malebomb@comcast.net (Male Bomb)
    wrote:

    >Ya sure? Larry knows everything... MB
    >

    (Yawn).......

    http://moglen.law.columbia.edu/CPC/archive/eyeball/21CELL.html
    (law passed in 1991)

    http://www.scn.org/~bk269/mechanized.html
    (excellent information on screwing around with war dialers here)

    And, for you New Yorkers, a little ammo....
    http://www.consumer.state.ny.us/pressreleases/2002/Oct212002.htm

    And from the technospammers on Tech TV:
    http://www.techtv.com/news/culture/story/0,24195,3391292,00.html

    And, of course, some of the spam comes from the cellphone companies,
    themselves:
    http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,37376,00.html

    And for our socialist Canadian friends:
    http://www.angustel.ca/update/up274.html
    http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Orders/2001/O2001-193.htm
    http://www.crtc.gc.ca/ENG/NEWS/RELEASES/2001/I010305.htm
    http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Notices/2001/PT2001-34.htm

    Which state is this?
    http://www.gryphonnetworks.com/regulatory/articles/2003_07_08.asp
    Some people shouldn't be allowed to WRITE news.

    And some more interesting information in my research for my company
    shadow's ignorant reply:
    http://www.epic.org/privacy/telemarketing/

    "Me.....and my Shaaaa-do....Strollin' 'long the aaaa-ven-nue...."



    Larry W4CSC

    3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?
     
  17. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 04:58:22 GMT, nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) posted
    in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >Hmm...I'm having flashbacks to the Blue Box-Red Box days spent in
    >payphones.....(c;


    How about the bobby-pin-in-the-hole-to-the-coin-slot trick?
     
  18. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 03:44:43 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.org> wrote:

    >On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 04:58:22 GMT, nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) posted
    >in alt.cellular.verizon:
    >
    >>Hmm...I'm having flashbacks to the Blue Box-Red Box days spent in
    >>payphones.....(c;

    >
    >How about the bobby-pin-in-the-hole-to-the-coin-slot trick?


    No, you take apart the microphone and ground one of the pins to the
    frame to simulate coin droppage....(c;



    Larry W4CSC

    3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?
     
  19. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 21:07:06 GMT, nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) posted
    in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 03:44:43 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.org> wrote:
    >>On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 04:58:22 GMT, nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) posted
    >>in alt.cellular.verizon:


    >>>Hmm...I'm having flashbacks to the Blue Box-Red Box days spent in
    >>>payphones.....(c;


    >>How about the bobby-pin-in-the-hole-to-the-coin-slot trick?


    >No, you take apart the microphone and ground one of the pins to the
    >frame to simulate coin droppage....(c;


    They started gluing the transmitter caps around 1958 in the NYC area,
    so we had to use bobby pins to get to the mike contacts (through the
    cable hole). Of course grounding the mike could blow the grasshopper,
    so you had to be quick - or have a lot of coin boxes to play with.
    Ahh, mis-spent 'yout.
     

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