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Effect on rounding calls up to the next minute!!

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by PG, Sep 11, 2003.

  1. David S <dwstreeter@att.net> wrote:

    >>Um, that's like taking a math class and saying that 1.99 rounds down to
    >>1 (mathematically, it doesn't, it rounds up to 2). But I could see rounding

    >
    > Try telling that same math class that 1.01 rounds up to 2. It doesn't, but
    > that's how they bill.


    I know. :)

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  2. Kramer <sl4333@bendnet.com> wrote:

    > What can you expect from this guy? He's towing the corporate line.
    > He's been assimilated. You won't get a full reasoned argument from him.
    > He'll just push the emotional buttons here till he shuts this
    > conversation down and causes it to die.


    How's Jerry?

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  3. vzwguy

    vzwguy Guest

    I dont have a Verizon Phone.I have a Sprint Phone so it *4, (I worked for
    Sprint PCS prior to VZW).. But Sometimes I like to keep track of my OWN
    minutes becuz I'm on a shared plan with Sprint, and thier *4 system doesnt
    seperate m2m minutes from the anytime minutes on the sub phone.

    Plus just worry about seconds I have used is freakin pointless, I would
    rather worry about how many minutes I have used not seconds.
    "Male Bomb" <malebomb@comcast.net> wrote in message
    news:vm5574qf49b5e9@corp.supernews.com...
    >
    >
    > vzwguy2004@yahoo.com (VZW Guy) wrote in article
    > <vm4bb0n09kpdce@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > Well think about it.. If they billed by the second and not the minute..
    > > people would be like "ummm how many seconds did I use" I find it easier
    > > to count the minutes I used and not the Seconds I used.. to much hassle.
    > > I dont want to worry weth the call I made was 1 minute 15 seconds I
    > > would much rather think of it, hmm call was over 1 minute, so I used 2
    > > minutes out of my plan.

    >
    > Why would you "count" your minutes? Do you really do this? Why not
    > just call #BAL?
    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]
     
  4. vzwguy

    vzwguy Guest

    Yeah and I can see it now... "I wanna credit for a drop call!!!" "Ok mam, I
    will credit you for 1 full SECOND!"
    It's just more for people to bitch and complain about!..

    "Would you like some Courtesy Seconds?"
    LOL

    You know I would think this whole billing by the second thing would be cool,
    WAY BACK IN TIME when it was like $100 for like 200-300 minutes, But come
    one people look at how many freakin minutes you get now a days for such a
    small cost! Hell the things making most of these plan expensive are the
    little add-ons eveyone has to have, like mobile web, txt messaging, etc..
    minuyes alone dont cost you crap.. thats why celluar companies just throw
    them at you when something is wrong.

    "Male Bomb" <malebomb@comcast.net> wrote in message
    news:vm57b3cd4jfq4d@corp.supernews.com...
    > Actually that might sell, 30,000 seconds for $35.00 lol. We have some
    > local food markets that advertise lunch meat by the half pound and at
    > first you think wow this is cheap until you do the math. There is alot
    > of psychology in marketing so who knows. MB
    >
    > Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in article
    > <W7idndV9p-OBuf-iU-KYvw@lmi.net>:
    > > VZW Guy <vzwguy2004@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > > > understand than by the second, if they billed by the second they would
    > > > have to rename price plans to the 30,000 second plan (500 minutes).

    Get
    > > > over it! Thing are they way they are.

    > >
    > > Uh, that is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
    > >
    > > --
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    > > 22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
    > > Steve Sobol, Proprietor
    > > 888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * sjsobol@JustThe.net

    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]
     
  5. David S

    David S Guest

    On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 17:37:00 GMT, "Quick"
    <dave_horwitz@NOSPAMsbcglobal.net> chose to add this to the great equation
    of life, the universe, and everything:

    >Users can exploit answer to disconnect. By simply ringing
    >and communicating your caller id you have transferred information.
    >It essentially amounts free paging service.


    I do this all the time with the billing the way it is. If I'm near a
    landline when my cell rings, I just see who it is, hit ringer silence, wait
    a minute, and call back on the landline.

    I also do that if I get a call from a number I don't recognize, even if
    it's later in the day when I call back.

    David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    --
    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    "Ladies, I have here some figures which I want you to take home in your
    heads, which I know are concrete." - James McSheehy, member of the San
    Francisco Board of Supervisors and chairman of the Finance Committee,
    speaking to a group of women
     
  6. David S

    David S Guest

    On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 18:28:48 -0500, Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
    chose to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and
    everything:

    >David S <dwstreeter@att.net> wrote:
    >
    >>>Um, that's like taking a math class and saying that 1.99 rounds down to
    >>>1 (mathematically, it doesn't, it rounds up to 2). But I could see rounding

    >>
    >> Try telling that same math class that 1.01 rounds up to 2. It doesn't, but
    >> that's how they bill.

    >
    >I know. :)


    I figured you did, but the point seemed to be getting lost.

    David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
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    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
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    "I may have written the shortest, most valuable piece of music, ever."
    - 'Jeopardy!' creator Merv Griffin, on his 30-second 'think' music for the
    game show
     
  7. dep_blueman

    dep_blueman Guest

    Anyone can get a really good idea how much time is being sucked up by
    the 1 min. round up rule.

    Just look at the total number of calls you place in a given billing
    cycle and multiply by 30 seconds. That is the aprox. amount of time
    you are giving up.

    -D

    "PG" <com@com.com> wrote in message news:<wtb8b.2416$ZL3.1287@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>...
    > I don't know if anyone here has actually analyzed what the effect of
    > rounding to the next minute on calls has on your minutes used, but my month
    > just ended so I took a look at it. I am not a realy heavy talker on my
    > phone even though I don't have a landline, I have the 500 minute AC plan
    > with the 1000 M2M and NW. Anyways, I reset my call timer on my phone each
    > month and this month the difference between the call timer on my phone and
    > what Verizon will charge for minutes used is 105 minutes. I am sure a lot
    > of those are NW and M2M, but still quite a bit. I am sure this will be even
    > greater for those of you who use your phones more and make and received more
    > calls. Anyways, just found this pretty interesting and a little unnerving
    > to know it adds up that much.
     
  8. Quick

    Quick Guest

    Awesome! days and pages of speculation answered in 1 line.

    -Quick

    "dep_blueman" <dep_blueman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:aa297123.0309140536.4c759dbc@posting.google.com...
    > Anyone can get a really good idea how much time is being sucked up by
    > the 1 min. round up rule.
    >
    > Just look at the total number of calls you place in a given billing
    > cycle and multiply by 30 seconds. That is the aprox. amount of time
    > you are giving up.
    >
    > -D
    >
    > "PG" <com@com.com> wrote in message

    news:<wtb8b.2416$ZL3.1287@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>...
    > > I don't know if anyone here has actually analyzed what the effect of
    > > rounding to the next minute on calls has on your minutes used, but my

    month
    > > just ended so I took a look at it. I am not a realy heavy talker on my
    > > phone even though I don't have a landline, I have the 500 minute AC plan
    > > with the 1000 M2M and NW. Anyways, I reset my call timer on my phone

    each
    > > month and this month the difference between the call timer on my phone

    and
    > > what Verizon will charge for minutes used is 105 minutes. I am sure a

    lot
    > > of those are NW and M2M, but still quite a bit. I am sure this will be

    even
    > > greater for those of you who use your phones more and make and received

    more
    > > calls. Anyways, just found this pretty interesting and a little

    unnerving
    > > to know it adds up that much.
     
  9. Male Bomb

    Male Bomb Guest

    Then just estimate it. So if you are counting your minutes how do you
    do it do you carry a notepad and log each call? MB

    David S <dwstreeter@att.net> wrote in article
    <7tj6mv0tjhmpsu0volcl8sv04jbigagjmq@4ax.com>:
    > On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 03:54:12 -0000, malebomb@comcast.net (Male Bomb) chose
    > to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    > >Why would you "count" your minutes? Do you really do this? Why not
    > >just call #BAL?

    >
    > Because it can be over a day behind and heavily disclaims its accuracy.
    >
    > David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    > --
    > http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    > Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    > "I have more talent in my smallest fart than you have in your entire body."
    > - Walter Matthau to Barbra Streisand
    >


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  10. Scott Brady

    Scott Brady Guest

    If anyone knows ow to change the "linger" setting on a V60i, please let
    me know. I haven't found it.

    davNOLindiSpamatHotmaledotkom (David L) wrote in article
    <vm3v24fa5r6k89@corp.supernews.com>:
    >
    >
    >
    > sbrady@triad.rr.com (Scott Brady) wrote in article
    > <vm3n0vilklku62@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > It adds up even more if you use Mobile Web. I frequently get multiple
    > > one-minute calls initiated within the same minute for data calls.
    > >
    > > If you are browsing a WAP site form your phone, you've initiated a
    > > one-minute call (for billing purposes). If you're on that page for more
    > > than 30 seconds, the connection times out. If you initiate another
    > > transmisison 40 seconds into the session, it becomes your second
    > > one-minute call within a 40 second time period.
    > >
    > > $ucks, eh?
    > >

    >
    > So much for "free" mobile web. WAP is just a huge time burner.
    >
    > Still playing with reducing Wireless Web charges.
    > There is a "linger" setting in web menu, that can be adjusted for more
    > than 30 seconds, at least on my phone.
    >
    > It's still possible to get charged for 3 minutes of calls within the
    > same minute.
    >
    > -
    > David
    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
     
  11. RDAEX

    RDAEX Guest

    Point is, apparently their business model wasnt the most spectacular in
    history..lol

    You had sand up your butt latley or something man?

    --
    This post brought to you by the letters F and U


    malebomb@comcast.net (Male Bomb) wrote in article
    <vm57kc64eg1c2d@corp.supernews.com>:
    >
    > BLAH@BLAH.COM (RDAEX ) wrote in article
    > <vm56olr54sa284@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > And what did Aerial learn from that?
    > > ....... they learned they were bought by VoiceStream..lol
    > >
    > > --
    > > This post brought to you by the letters F and U
    > >

    >
    > Just another small company getting swallowed up by a large corporation,
    > so what's your point Ryan? MB
    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
     
  12. VZW Guy

    VZW Guy Guest

    I'm an ass becuz I am speaking the truth??

    I don't see the company ever switching from per minute billing to per
    second billing.. If you want a company that does so, the only one I know
    of is Nextel. Everyone else is doing per minute, and has been doing per
    minute for a very long time. The fact is they are not going to change,
    and if someone doesn't like that fact, then no one is forcing them to
    stay a customer. thats how it is,the plain and simple truth!

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    be completely accurate.


    Kramer <sl4333@bendnet.com> wrote in article
    <MPG.19cd1343136542e3989696@news.west.earthlink.net>:
    > In article <vm4au1rvdevp9d@corp.supernews.com>, vzwguy2004@yahoo.com
    > says...
    > > becuz they don't.. get over it, its just how they do it.. if ya don't
    > > like how they do it, then go to someone who does or just drop service
    > > all together.. *YOU* chose to go with the company, *You* knew they
    > > billed in 1 minute increments and round up to the next full minute..
    > > That is how they run their business. Don;t like it? Leave, very easy.
    > >
    > >

    > You started out this conversation as an illogical ass, now you're just a
    > plain ass.


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
     
  13. VZW Guy

    VZW Guy Guest

    the immaturity facory is not needed..

    but anywas, does the phone seperate peak minutes from off peak, or from
    m2m?? NO! It gives one LUMP sum!

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    Kramer <sl4333@bendnet.com> wrote in article
    <MPG.19cd13a8ca4ebbb989697@news.west.earthlink.net>:
    > In article <vm4bb0n09kpdce@corp.supernews.com>, vzwguy2004@yahoo.com
    > says...
    > > Well think about it.. If they billed by the second and not the minute..
    > > people would be like "ummm how many seconds did I use" I find it easier
    > > to count the minutes I used and not the Seconds I used.. to much hassle.
    > > I dont want to worry weth the call I made was 1 minute 15 seconds I
    > > would much rather think of it, hmm call was over 1 minute, so I used 2
    > > minutes out of my plan.
    > >
    > >

    > Now you're a stupid ass. Your phone can keep track of the minutes. It
    > has that built in feature. Oh, it shows seconds too. Oh, well then
    > everything would basically be accurate.


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
     
  14. VZW Guy

    VZW Guy Guest

    Now you being just being plain dumb dude.. Assimilated?? I've been
    working for VZW sine June 30th 2003 Thats 2 months 16 days! . I enjoy
    the job, but I don't let it OWN me! I go to work to make money. I would
    feel the SAME way if this conversation was dealing with Sprint,
    Cingular, T-mobile, wutever. THe fact is your whining about something
    that is never going to happen, plain and simple! So get a life, and stop
    freakin whining like a 2 yr old child!

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    be completely accurate.


    Kramer <sl4333@bendnet.com> wrote in article
    <MPG.19cd1500d5dd2f0e989698@news.west.earthlink.net>:
    > In article <bju02i$obl$2@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, adr5@columbia.edu
    > says...


    > What can you expect from this guy? He's towing the corporate line.
    > He's been assimilated. You won't get a full reasoned argument from him.
    > He'll just push the emotional buttons here till he shuts this
    > conversation down and causes it to die.


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
     
  15. VZW Guy

    VZW Guy Guest

    And as you have a choice too.. You dont HAVE to get a cell phone.. Your
    world will not come to a screeching halt becuz you don't have one.. If
    ya gotta get one your best bet is to shop around, but no companies are
    going to change how they have been doing things for YEARS just becuz a
    small percent of the customer bases wants per second billing... But even
    then it wont be good enuff for some becuz the cycle will continue, and
    people will then want per milisecond billing yada yada yada.. I know it
    sounds silly and stupid but its the truth..

    Best thing if you are that worried Get a cricket phone, or a phone with
    some other company that offers unlimited local minutes.. then yo wont
    have to worry about minutes OR seconds.

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    "Ch" <chull001@roch.spam.ester.rr.com> wrote in article
    <Vsu8b.56230$yG2.34484@twister.nyroc.rr.com>:
    > HUH?
    > How many choices are there for cell phones? 3 or 4 at most? How many
    > viable in any given area? usually 2 at most?
    > Yes, we could just skip getting a cell phone, but then they would pass
    > laws against al of our phone cords tangleing on the highways!!
    > You too have a choice... don't read! :)



    [posted via phonescoop.com]
     
  16. VZW Guy <vzwguy2004@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > Now you being just being plain dumb dude


    This is the guy who compared VZW reps to CIA agents.

    Remember that, and proceed accordingly.

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  17. VZW Guy

    VZW Guy Guest

    when did I ever companre VZW to CIA agents?????? Your confusing me now..

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    be completely accurate.


    Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in article
    <N_6cnTWJvvLoh_uiU-KYvw@lmi.net>:
    > VZW Guy <vzwguy2004@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > > Now you being just being plain dumb dude

    >
    > This is the guy who compared VZW reps to CIA agents.
    >
    > Remember that, and proceed accordingly.
    >
    > --
    > JustThe.net Internet & Multimedia Services
    > 22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
    > Steve Sobol, Proprietor
    > 888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * sjsobol@JustThe.net


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
     
  18. VZW Guy <vzwguy2004@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > when did I ever companre VZW to CIA agents?????? Your confusing me now..


    You didn't. That Kramer kook did. I was advising *you* not to take him
    too seriously.

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    22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
    Steve Sobol, Proprietor
    888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * sjsobol@JustThe.net
     
  19. VZW Guy

    VZW Guy Guest

    OHHHHHH!! ok.. thanks for the clarification!

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    Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in article
    <P96dnSFJPdVcp_uiXTWJhQ@lmi.net>:
    > VZW Guy <vzwguy2004@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > > when did I ever companre VZW to CIA agents?????? Your confusing me now..

    >
    > You didn't. That Kramer kook did. I was advising *you* not to take him
    > too seriously.
    >
    > --
    > JustThe.net Internet & Multimedia Services
    > 22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
    > Steve Sobol, Proprietor
    > 888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * sjsobol@JustThe.net


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
     
  20. Male Bomb

    Male Bomb Guest

    BLAH@BLAH.COM (RDAEX ) wrote in article
    <vmahrrrhf35df3@corp.supernews.com>:
    > Point is, apparently their business model wasnt the most spectacular in
    > history..lol


    Because they were acquired by a larger company means they had a shitty
    business model? I am not saying it is good or bad to offer per-second
    billing, was just posting that was how one company did it in the past.

    > You had sand up your butt latley or something man?


    Not last time I checked... MB


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