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Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Dan Harms, Nov 23, 2003.

  1. Mike

    Mike Guest

    On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 04:39:20 -0800, "Peter Pan"
    <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote:

    >I have it (Minutes of use) and have been using it for about 6 months now
    >with mobile office. There are a few nervous Nellie's here that continue to
    >spread the *bogus* rumor that it was a mistake and may be stopped by verizon
    >at some time in the future.


    There's a fairly official looking memo posted up on another forum that
    seems to indicate:

    * All AC plans and a number of others have had EN/NA MOU added since
    about early July. (This is not entirely the case, as some, like
    myself, have had to ask for it.)
    * The EN/NA MOU is meant for faster data in Mobile Web, Get It Now,
    picture messaging and other such services. It is not meant for
    "tethered" use, i.e. to a laptop or PDA, and the memo says they
    basically reserve the right to charge for it.

    Now, I'm mostly with you on this...I think it'd be a nightmare if VZW
    started charging folks more than minutes, even if it's laptop/PDA
    usage. I think VZW *could* draw the line in the sand, and say they'll
    charge everyone after a certain date, but doing it without
    notification would be crazy. VZW sales reps have never, as far as I
    can tell from experience and from what others have said, told folks
    they couldn't use EN/NA MOU with a laptop or PDA.

    The other side of this - it makes sense that when BroadbandAccess
    becomes more commonplace (VZW's 1EV-DO super high speed service),
    they'll move NationalAccess into basically the same place QNC is now,
    a free, included minutes-only service. For one, they're charging the
    same $79 a month for unlimited BroadbandAccess in the two markets
    where they're offering it now (San Diego and Washington, DC), and I
    doubt they could price unlimited NationalAccess alone that high once
    BA becomes nationwide. The "perceived value" of NA will drop when the
    higher speed service is offered at the same price NA is now.

    For another, they actively have been programming newer phones to use
    the 1X data network for Mobile Web and GIN, at no additional cost, and
    they wouldn't do that if they thought it would cost them a fortune.

    Mike



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  2. "Dapper Dave" <expurgated@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:vjvcsvk79rfc8edbjnlun4gicv68dt6jv6@4ax.com...
    > >"Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote:

    >
    >
    > I personally don't subscribe to the theory that one person's experience

    with a
    > multi-billion dollar company is a good indication of their corporate

    policy, but
    > I would be amazed if Verizon ever tries to bill for EN usage without

    providing
    > explicit notification of their intent.


    I really don't think that VZW intended this for tethered use anymore
    than Sprint did with their unlimited Vision plan for $35. The current
    situation isn't far from unlimited data if you are careful with prime time
    use. They wouldn't sell data plans for more money if they intended this to
    be. With the actual data plan, you get 150 minutes total for $39.95. With
    America's Choice, you get 400 prime and unlimited nights and weekends for
    $39.95.

    What remains to be seen is if VZW gets nasty with people as Sprint did
    with some. I suspect at some point they will ask us to quit. If they then
    allow me out of my contract, I will go quietly, if not I will raise a stink
    in each and every VZW store in my area.


    --
    Thomas M. Goethe
  3. "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<bpv4f8$1smsco$1@ID-190045.news.uni-berlin.de>...
    > "Jeffrey Kaplan" <acv@gordol.org> wrote in message
    > news:8i26svso4slibj60e1bgqhmlbgejg1v0fh@news20.forteinc.com...
    > > Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Peter Pan said:
    > >


    > Depending on your zip code (and plans available in your area) at the time
    > (July 22) I changed my address/phone number and plan to what's online now:
    > (edited to make it text only and delete my phone number)
    >
    > Current Plan - 043683 AMERICA'S CHOICE 400 PEAK UNL N&W 1000 MTM $39.99 2Y
    > Monthly Monthly Additional
    > Access Allowance Per Minute Charge
    >
    > 39.99 400 general .45 peak .45 off-peak
    > Active Additional Services:
    > Call Delivery - Voice Mail - IQ Service Package - CDMA Digital W/Txt Msg -
    > CallerID - Message Waiting
    > Ind - New Every Two - Nat Mob to Mob -1000 Mins - National Access
    >
    > Your Promotional Details:
    > Unlimited Night & Weekend Minute Allowance Per Month - 2yr Contract
    > <end paste>
    >
    > Notice the ***National Access*** as an active additional service. And as you
    > asked about, that is a standard voice plan with data and voice for 400
    > minutes at 39.99 a month. (It used to be listed as Express Network until
    > they
    > changed the name), but that would be the "limited MOU" plan I talked/typed
    > about. As I said, I have been traveling all over the US and use the HIGH
    > speed stuff whenever possible
    >
    > Their website is **extremely** vague, and the people in the stores have had
    > absolutely no training (nor desire to learn since they make absolutely no
    > commission on something free).
    >


    I just signed a 1 year contract on an AC500FS plan. One of the
    provisions on the contract was:
    NATIONALACCESS $0.00
    I've set my computer to use my LG VX4400B to dial #777, and login with
    mymobilenumber@vzw3g.com, password vzw. It does work - I used it for
    under a minute to make sure I would get charged little if anything.
    The display showed something like 1X3G DATA CALL.

    I await the bill to find out.

    The guy in the store said that I'd have to get the data plan to use
    1xRTT data (which I wasn't going to do - I'm almost always at home
    where I've got a cable modem). I think I scared the crap out of the
    guy when I said, "1xRTT." He looked at his supervisor who answered my
    question.

    I'm the the Carolinas service area (Triad area, North Carolina).

    *Michael Notforyou*
  4. Dapper Dave

    Dapper Dave Guest

    >"Thomas M. Goethe" <xspamgoethe11xxxxxx@lycos.com> wrote:

    > I really don't think that VZW intended this for tethered use anymore
    >than Sprint did with their unlimited Vision plan for $35. The current
    >situation isn't far from unlimited data if you are careful with prime time
    >use. They wouldn't sell data plans for more money if they intended this to
    >be. With the actual data plan, you get 150 minutes total for $39.95. With
    >America's Choice, you get 400 prime and unlimited nights and weekends for
    >$39.95.
    >
    > What remains to be seen is if VZW gets nasty with people as Sprint did
    >with some. I suspect at some point they will ask us to quit. If they then
    >allow me out of my contract, I will go quietly, if not I will raise a stink
    >in each and every VZW store in my area.


    I pay the $80/month for unlimited usage rather than use an America's Choice plan
    because I don't want to limit my usage to nights and weekends. My wife and I,
    retired full-time RVers, spend 2,000-5,000 minutes a month on line between us.

    A neat thing about Verizon: Recently we spent about two weeks in a part of the
    country with no Express Network service. I called Verizon and switched to an
    1,100 min/month America's Choice plan so we could use Quick 2 Net. The change
    took effect within five minutes. Two weeks later, I called and switched back to
    my Express Network plan. Since I canceled the change within 30 days, I reverted
    to my old plan with no change in the contract expiration date.
  5. HHamp5246

    HHamp5246 Guest

    >A neat thing about Verizon: Recently we spent about two weeks in a part of
    >the
    >country with no Express Network service. I called Verizon and switched to an
    >1,100 min/month America's Choice plan so we could use Quick 2 Net.


    Are you saying you couldn't connect with Quick2net without switchng plans?

    I thought you could connect with Q2N if you had EN.

    Hunter


    http://members.aol.com/airstm2268/roadtrip2003.htm
  6. Mike <inundated9@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > * The EN/NA MOU is meant for faster data in Mobile Web, Get It Now,
    > picture messaging and other such services. It is not meant for
    > "tethered" use, i.e. to a laptop or PDA, and the memo says they
    > basically reserve the right to charge for it.


    Hm.... lessee, I specifically asked about tethered use, was told it was ok,
    and intend to continue using EN MOU that way. If they don't like it, they
    can let me out of my contract early.

    Plus, GIN and Mobile Web don't run over 1x.

    > For another, they actively have been programming newer phones to use
    > the 1X data network for Mobile Web and GIN, at no additional cost, and
    > they wouldn't do that if they thought it would cost them a fortune.


    Since when?

    How do I get my phone reprogrammed?

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services
    22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
    Steve Sobol, Proprietor
    888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * sjsobol@JustThe.net
  7. Mike

    Mike Guest

    On 28 Nov 2003 14:44:19 GMT, hhamp5246@aol.comnojunk (HHamp5246)
    wrote:

    >>A neat thing about Verizon: Recently we spent about two weeks in a part of
    >>the
    >>country with no Express Network service. I called Verizon and switched to an
    >>1,100 min/month America's Choice plan so we could use Quick 2 Net.

    >
    >Are you saying you couldn't connect with Quick2net without switchng plans?
    >
    >I thought you could connect with Q2N if you had EN.


    I *think* the plan he was on only had voice minutes through his
    unlimited Express Network/NationalAccess plan, which apparently
    doesn't include QNC.

    If you've got an existing voice plan, QNC is rolled in. I don't know
    why it wouldn't be under his plan...but it apparently isn't.

    Mike
  8. Mike

    Mike Guest

    On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 11:12:50 -0600, Steven J Sobol
    <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:

    >Mike <inundated9@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >> * The EN/NA MOU is meant for faster data in Mobile Web, Get It Now,
    >> picture messaging and other such services. It is not meant for
    >> "tethered" use, i.e. to a laptop or PDA, and the memo says they
    >> basically reserve the right to charge for it.

    >
    >Hm.... lessee, I specifically asked about tethered use, was told it was ok,
    >and intend to continue using EN MOU that way. If they don't like it, they
    >can let me out of my contract early.


    And that's probably the reason VZW will never impose anything other
    than airtime minutes for use of EN/NA for those who have the MOU on
    their account. I've found very few, if any, examples of reps that
    specifically stated MOU wasn't for tethered use. When I added it to
    my account - apparently, it doesn't get added automatically in the
    Ohio/Michigan market - the rep saw and added the feature code, and was
    well aware I was talking about using a laptop and PDA...as I was
    buying a MOK at the same time.

    >> For another, they actively have been programming newer phones to use
    >> the 1X data network for Mobile Web and GIN, at no additional cost, and
    >> they wouldn't do that if they thought it would cost them a fortune.

    >
    >Since when?
    >
    >How do I get my phone reprogrammed?


    I forget, Steve...what phone do you have? A Kyocera?

    I don't know if it works on other models, but the latest software
    update for the 4400 puts MW/GIN on 1X. It's v10, and I got it at the
    Fairlawn store. It's not even an "advertised feature"...I only found
    out about it after someone pointed it out on another forum.

    I wouldn't be surprised if newer phones of all models - which are
    capable - would be programmed this way in the future.

    Mike
  9. Mike <inundated9@yahoo.com> wrote:

    >>> For another, they actively have been programming newer phones to use
    >>> the 1X data network for Mobile Web and GIN, at no additional cost, and
    >>> they wouldn't do that if they thought it would cost them a fortune.

    >>
    >>Since when?
    >>
    >>How do I get my phone reprogrammed?

    >
    > I forget, Steve...what phone do you have? A Kyocera?


    The 1x-capable phone is a Kyocera 2325.

    > I don't know if it works on other models, but the latest software
    > update for the 4400 puts MW/GIN on 1X. It's v10, and I got it at the
    > Fairlawn store. It's not even an "advertised feature"...I only found
    > out about it after someone pointed it out on another forum.
    >
    > I wouldn't be surprised if newer phones of all models - which are
    > capable - would be programmed this way in the future.


    There should be a flash update available. The Victorville store is being
    remodeled, but it looks like the majority of the remodeling is done, and all
    they need to do is put signage and product on the new shelves.

    Maybe I'll go in and check in a week or two.

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services
    22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
    Steve Sobol, Proprietor
    888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * sjsobol@JustThe.net
  10. Mike

    Mike Guest

    On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:01:38 -0600, Steven J Sobol
    <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:

    >There should be a flash update available. The Victorville store is being
    >remodeled, but it looks like the majority of the remodeling is done, and all
    >they need to do is put signage and product on the new shelves.
    >
    >Maybe I'll go in and check in a week or two.


    I only know for sure that the LG 4400/4400B has new updates that bring
    GIN and MW over 1X. But it makes sense that VZW would do it for all
    new phones that can do it...for one, I doubt LG was responsible for
    deciding to put MW and GIN on top of 1X on the 4400, I'd assume VZW
    asked them to do it.

    Mike
  11. "Mike" <inundated9@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:vl2fsvs6cmirmcm8kkqe72q33buea67225@4ax.com...
    > On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 11:12:50 -0600, Steven J Sobol
    > <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:
    >
    > And that's probably the reason VZW will never impose anything other
    > than airtime minutes for use of EN/NA for those who have the MOU on
    > their account. I've found very few, if any, examples of reps that
    > specifically stated MOU wasn't for tethered use.


    I hope you are right. I do know that the guy in data support was as
    surprised as I was at VZW allowing this, but he said go for it. I could
    almost see the raised eyebrows over the phone. The guy at the store also
    knew what I intended to use it for and he said there was no reason I
    couldn't, but he also said it was a pretty big surprise to him that you
    could do it. I think this was in July. I am sure that they didn't intend
    tethered use, particularly with free nights and weekends, but that is what
    they are getting. I just hope the party doesn't end. They didn't go as far
    off the limb as Sprint, which setup unlimited service for $35/month and then
    had to figure out how to stop it.


    --
    Thomas M. Goethe
  12. Mike

    Mike Guest

    On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 18:44:54 -0500, "Thomas M. Goethe"
    <xspamgoethe11xxxxxx@lycos.com> wrote:

    > I am sure that they didn't intend
    >tethered use, particularly with free nights and weekends, but that is what
    >they are getting. I just hope the party doesn't end. They didn't go as far
    >off the limb as Sprint, which setup unlimited service for $35/month and then
    >had to figure out how to stop it.


    The big difference? VZW's NationalAccess MOU is NOT flat-rate,
    unlimited service. It takes out your cell plan's minutes. Sure, that
    means you could use it for free nights/weekends for most folks, but it
    also burns into your anytime minutes. So, if you use it a lot during
    the day, you're going to be paying them 40 cents a minute at some
    point.

    I just checked my first bill - my opening 2 days of service were on
    the bill! - and there's been no charge for any 1X data service I used
    those days. Not per minute, not per megabyte, nothing. Lots of
    0.00's next to those sessions.

    Mike
  13. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 14:14:27 -0500, Mike <inundated9@yahoo.com> posted
    in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >VZW sales reps have never, as far as I
    >can tell from experience and from what others have said, told folks
    >they couldn't use EN/NA MOU with a laptop or PDA.


    That's exactly what I was told when I tried to have it added to my AC
    plan - that it wasn't meant for tethered connection.
  14. E Brown

    E Brown Guest

    On 28 Nov 2003 14:44:19 GMT, hhamp5246@aol.comnojunk (HHamp5246)
    wrote:

    >Are you saying you couldn't connect with Quick2net without switchng plans?
    >
    >I thought you could connect with Q2N if you had EN.


    Doesn't that count as a voice call, and cost extra?
    Emanuel
    --
    "Yeah, you look like the sort of person that would own a corkscrew."
    Said by a neighbor borrowing a corkscrew, on my 1st day in a new apartment.
  15. I think the $80 he was referring to was unlimited Express Network and that
    has no voice calls and probably can't use Q2N with that - only Express
    Network.


    --
    Nadyne Nelson
    nadyne@prospectiveplanning.com

    HHamp5246 wrote:
    >> A neat thing about Verizon: Recently we spent about two weeks in a
    >> part of the
    >> country with no Express Network service. I called Verizon and
    >> switched to an 1,100 min/month America's Choice plan so we could use
    >> Quick 2 Net.

    >
    > Are you saying you couldn't connect with Quick2net without switchng
    > plans?
    >
    > I thought you could connect with Q2N if you had EN.
    >
    > Hunter
    >
    >
    > http://members.aol.com/airstm2268/roadtrip2003.htm
  16. Dapper Dave

    Dapper Dave Guest

    >hhamp5246@aol.comnojunk (HHamp5246) wrote:

    >>A neat thing about Verizon: Recently we spent about two weeks in a part of
    >>the
    >>country with no Express Network service. I called Verizon and switched to an
    >>1,100 min/month America's Choice plan so we could use Quick 2 Net.

    >
    >Are you saying you couldn't connect with Quick2net without switchng plans?
    >
    >I thought you could connect with Q2N if you had EN.
    >
    >Hunter


    I only have the Unlimited NationalAccess (aka Express Network) plan on Verizon.
    I have no voice plan with them. So I temporarily switched to a voice plan (AC).
  17. HHamp5246

    HHamp5246 Guest

  18. Mike

    Mike Guest

    On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 00:45:39 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.org> wrote:

    >On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 14:14:27 -0500, Mike <inundated9@yahoo.com> posted
    >in alt.cellular.verizon:
    >
    >>VZW sales reps have never, as far as I
    >>can tell from experience and from what others have said, told folks
    >>they couldn't use EN/NA MOU with a laptop or PDA.

    >
    >That's exactly what I was told when I tried to have it added to my AC
    >plan - that it wasn't meant for tethered connection.


    OK, let me change the above - from what I've seen, very FEW VZW sales
    reps have said it isn't meant for a tethered connection ;)

    I've seen an occasional person told that the EN MOU was meant for
    picture messaging. But in my case, my LG VX4400 doesn't even do
    picture messaging! The sales rep that signed me up didn't even
    realize there was such an option, and when she found it, pulled it up
    and added it, she didn't say "Oh, that's for the picture phones" or
    "it isn't meant to be used for a PDA or laptop". She just said "hmm,
    there it is" and added it.

    That tells me that there's no information in the computer - at least
    when the rep finds that feature code - telling them to advise
    customers against tethered connections. That might be a key if they
    decide to do anything with it...THEY screwed up by not properly
    putting out the word to their own sales reps.

    It's not really a big deal, I guess. I don't use the tethered
    connection a LOT, just occasionally each day. (For one, I'm judicious
    about not using either voice or data during peak hours, unless it's
    necessary.) If I had to pay for it beyond minutes, I would, I just
    don't want to see those zeros turn to charges without any warning.

    Mike
  19. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 12:00:40 -0500, Mike <inundated9@yahoo.com> posted
    in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >I've seen an occasional person told that the EN MOU was meant for
    >picture messaging. But in my case, my LG VX4400 doesn't even do
    >picture messaging!


    That's how I convinced the tech manager to add it to my account.
  20. David S

    David S Guest

    On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:47:32 -0600, Dapper Dave <expurgated@hotmail.com>
    chose to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and
    everything:

    >>"Thomas M. Goethe" <xspamgoethe11xxxxxx@lycos.com> wrote:

    >
    >>> For quick net connect:

    >>
    >>> AT$QCMDR=2;AT$QCQNC=1

    >>
    >>> For express network:

    >>
    >>> AT$QCMDR=3;AT$QCQNC=0

    >>
    >> Those are courtesy of Geoff who posts on this group.

    >
    >God point. Verizon's Mobile Office kit does all that set up for you, so I was
    >not even aware of how it did it.


    He might be a smart guy, but I don't think I'd go so far as to call him
    God...


    (My own god status not withstandng.)
    --
    David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    "I think I've adopted a sense of subtlety. I don't sit around wondering how
    I can make myself even stranger to the world. I've simply evolved into the
    monster I created and I'm quite happy with it." - Marilyn Manson

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