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Finally found a brick wall with PagePlus

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by hachiroku, Nov 15, 2012.

  1. hachiroku

    hachiroku Guest

    Rindge NH. Had to go there for a job, but didn't have the ticket with me,
    and when I went to look the address up on the web, had no web. Tried a
    call and got the roaming alert. I backtracked for about 10 miles and then
    said to heck with it and drove up to where I thought it was and wound up
    next door.

    Never saw a dead area that big before. Usually if you drive ~5 miles
    you'll hit the right tower. Not this time.
     



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  2. tycho

    tycho Guest

    "hachiroku" <haciroku@e86.GTS> wrote in message
    news:50a5d1a9$0$60614$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com...
    > Rindge NH. Had to go there for a job, but didn't have the ticket with me,
    > and when I went to look the address up on the web, had no web. Tried a
    > call and got the roaming alert. I backtracked for about 10 miles and then
    > said to heck with it and drove up to where I thought it was and wound up
    > next door.
    >
    > Never saw a dead area that big before. Usually if you drive ~5 miles
    > you'll hit the right tower. Not this time.


    Thanks for the scoop!

    So, why didn't you pay the few pennies to make a roaming rather than the
    several dollars in gas driving around looking for a tower? :)
     
  3. SMS

    SMS Guest

    On 11/16/2012 8:49 AM, tycho wrote:
    > "hachiroku" <haciroku@e86.GTS> wrote in message
    > news:50a5d1a9$0$60614$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com...
    >> Rindge NH. Had to go there for a job, but didn't have the ticket with me,
    >> and when I went to look the address up on the web, had no web. Tried a
    >> call and got the roaming alert. I backtracked for about 10 miles and then
    >> said to heck with it and drove up to where I thought it was and wound up
    >> next door.
    >>
    >> Never saw a dead area that big before. Usually if you drive ~5 miles
    >> you'll hit the right tower. Not this time.

    >
    > Thanks for the scoop!
    >
    > So, why didn't you pay the few pennies to make a roaming rather than the
    > several dollars in gas driving around looking for a tower? :)


    I think what he was trying to say is that he tried a call just to see if
    he was roaming or not. Pageplus allows voice roaming (at extra cost),
    text roaming is not charged extra, but to the best of my knowledge, data
    roaming doesn't work at all. So by verifying that he was roaming, he
    knew that data wouldn't work.
     
  4. Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, tycho said:

    > So, why didn't you pay the few pennies to make a roaming rather than the
    > several dollars in gas driving around looking for a tower? :)


    He was trying to find a data connection so he could connect to his web
    based ticket system, and data roaming is either disabled on the phone
    (it's expen$ive) or not possible on his carrier.

    --
    Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
    Double ROT13 encoded for your protection

    "You were standing in the middle of the plaza yelling that the day of
    judgment was coming." "Did it?" "Not that I know, but I may have
    missed a staff meeting." (Mr. Garibaldi and Amis, B5 "The Long Dark")
     
  5. hachiroku

    hachiroku Guest

    On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:07:52 -0800, SMS wrote:

    > On 11/16/2012 8:49 AM, tycho wrote:
    >> "hachiroku" <haciroku@e86.GTS> wrote in message
    >> news:50a5d1a9$0$60614$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com...
    >>> Rindge NH. Had to go there for a job, but didn't have the ticket with me,
    >>> and when I went to look the address up on the web, had no web. Tried a
    >>> call and got the roaming alert. I backtracked for about 10 miles and then
    >>> said to heck with it and drove up to where I thought it was and wound up
    >>> next door.
    >>>
    >>> Never saw a dead area that big before. Usually if you drive ~5 miles
    >>> you'll hit the right tower. Not this time.

    >>
    >> Thanks for the scoop!
    >>
    >> So, why didn't you pay the few pennies to make a roaming rather than the
    >> several dollars in gas driving around looking for a tower? :)

    >
    > I think what he was trying to say is that he tried a call just to see if
    > he was roaming or not. Pageplus allows voice roaming (at extra cost),
    > text roaming is not charged extra, but to the best of my knowledge, data
    > roaming doesn't work at all. So by verifying that he was roaming, he
    > knew that data wouldn't work.


    I was trying to get ANYTHING. I drove about 8 miles to see if I could get
    off roaming.

    To tycho: you can't just "pay" for roaming, it has to be pre-paid at 29
    cents a minute. So with my $39 Unlimited plan, I would have to add
    additional $$ in advance in order to call on roaming. Too much. Ten cents
    would be OK.

    And I hit another dead spot tonight, and had to drive 5 miles to get off
    roaming. Usually don't have to go more then 5 miles to get a regular
    signal. THis only happens in one area in Vermont and a couple in Cow
    Hampshire. Mass I rarely run into roaming.
     
  6. Todd Allcock

    Todd Allcock Guest

    At 17 Nov 2012 00:34:16 -0500 hachiroku wrote:
    > On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:07:52 -0800, SMS wrote:
    >
    > > On 11/16/2012 8:49 AM, tycho wrote:
    > >> "hachiroku" <haciroku@e86.GTS> wrote in message
    > >> news:50a5d1a9$0$60614$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com...
    > >>> Rindge NH. Had to go there for a job, but didn't have the ticket

    with me,
    > >>> and when I went to look the address up on the web, had no web.

    Tried a
    > >>> call and got the roaming alert. I backtracked for about 10 miles

    and then
    > >>> said to heck with it and drove up to where I thought it was and

    wound up
    > >>> next door.
    > >>>
    > >>> Never saw a dead area that big before. Usually if you drive ~5 miles
    > >>> you'll hit the right tower. Not this time.
    > >>
    > >> Thanks for the scoop!
    > >>
    > >> So, why didn't you pay the few pennies to make a roaming rather than

    the
    > >> several dollars in gas driving around looking for a tower? :)

    > >
    > > I think what he was trying to say is that he tried a call just to see

    if
    > > he was roaming or not. Pageplus allows voice roaming (at extra cost),
    > > text roaming is not charged extra, but to the best of my knowledge,

    data
    > > roaming doesn't work at all. So by verifying that he was roaming, he
    > > knew that data wouldn't work.

    >
    > I was trying to get ANYTHING. I drove about 8 miles to see if I could

    get
    > off roaming.
    >
    > To tycho: you can't just "pay" for roaming, it has to be pre-paid at 29
    > cents a minute. So with my $39 Unlimited plan, I would have to add
    > additional $$ in advance in order to call on roaming. Too much. Ten

    cents
    > would be OK.
    >
    > And I hit another dead spot tonight, and had to drive 5 miles to get off
    > roaming. Usually don't have to go more then 5 miles to get a regular
    > signal. THis only happens in one area in Vermont and a couple in Cow
    > Hampshire. Mass I rarely run into roaming.
    >


    Can't you just toss a $10 card on your account to cover incidentals? I
    leave a few extra dollars on my son's account in case of overages.
     
  7. tycho

    tycho Guest

    "hachiroku" <haciroku@e86.GTS> wrote in message
    news:50a721fe$0$22852$c3e8da3$76a7c58f@news.astraweb.com...
    > On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:07:52 -0800, SMS wrote:
    >
    >> On 11/16/2012 8:49 AM, tycho wrote:
    >>> "hachiroku" <haciroku@e86.GTS> wrote in message
    >>> news:50a5d1a9$0$60614$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com...
    >>>> Rindge NH. Had to go there for a job, but didn't have the ticket with
    >>>> me,
    >>>> and when I went to look the address up on the web, had no web. Tried a
    >>>> call and got the roaming alert. I backtracked for about 10 miles and
    >>>> then
    >>>> said to heck with it and drove up to where I thought it was and wound
    >>>> up
    >>>> next door.
    >>>>
    >>>> Never saw a dead area that big before. Usually if you drive ~5 miles
    >>>> you'll hit the right tower. Not this time.
    >>>
    >>> Thanks for the scoop!
    >>>
    >>> So, why didn't you pay the few pennies to make a roaming rather than the
    >>> several dollars in gas driving around looking for a tower? :)

    >>
    >> I think what he was trying to say is that he tried a call just to see if
    >> he was roaming or not. Pageplus allows voice roaming (at extra cost),
    >> text roaming is not charged extra, but to the best of my knowledge, data
    >> roaming doesn't work at all. So by verifying that he was roaming, he
    >> knew that data wouldn't work.

    >
    > I was trying to get ANYTHING. I drove about 8 miles to see if I could get
    > off roaming.
    >
    > To tycho: you can't just "pay" for roaming, it has to be pre-paid at 29
    > cents a minute. So with my $39 Unlimited plan, I would have to add
    > additional $$ in advance in order to call on roaming. Too much. Ten cents
    > would be OK.
    >

    @hachiroku: I know, I know -- I have PagePlus too and have used it for
    years.

    I just thought, like a lot of us, even though on a monthly plan, you might
    have a little cash in your "cash balance" for exactly this purpose (roaming
    calls or whatever). I know that I do; I have a couple of bucks in there...
     
  8. tycho

    tycho Guest

    "tycho" <this@wont-work.com> wrote in message
    news:k88c91$gl9$1@dont-email.me...
    >
    > "hachiroku" <haciroku@e86.GTS> wrote in message
    > news:50a721fe$0$22852$c3e8da3$76a7c58f@news.astraweb.com...
    >> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:07:52 -0800, SMS wrote:
    >>
    >>> On 11/16/2012 8:49 AM, tycho wrote:
    >>>> "hachiroku" <haciroku@e86.GTS> wrote in message
    >>>> news:50a5d1a9$0$60614$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com...
    >>>>> Rindge NH. Had to go there for a job, but didn't have the ticket with
    >>>>> me,
    >>>>> and when I went to look the address up on the web, had no web. Tried a
    >>>>> call and got the roaming alert. I backtracked for about 10 miles and
    >>>>> then
    >>>>> said to heck with it and drove up to where I thought it was and wound
    >>>>> up
    >>>>> next door.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Never saw a dead area that big before. Usually if you drive ~5 miles
    >>>>> you'll hit the right tower. Not this time.
    >>>>
    >>>> Thanks for the scoop!
    >>>>
    >>>> So, why didn't you pay the few pennies to make a roaming rather than
    >>>> the
    >>>> several dollars in gas driving around looking for a tower? :)
    >>>
    >>> I think what he was trying to say is that he tried a call just to see if
    >>> he was roaming or not. Pageplus allows voice roaming (at extra cost),
    >>> text roaming is not charged extra, but to the best of my knowledge, data
    >>> roaming doesn't work at all. So by verifying that he was roaming, he
    >>> knew that data wouldn't work.

    >>
    >> I was trying to get ANYTHING. I drove about 8 miles to see if I could get
    >> off roaming.
    >>
    >> To tycho: you can't just "pay" for roaming, it has to be pre-paid at 29
    >> cents a minute. So with my $39 Unlimited plan, I would have to add
    >> additional $$ in advance in order to call on roaming. Too much. Ten cents
    >> would be OK.
    >>

    > @hachiroku: I know, I know -- I have PagePlus too and have used it for
    > years.
    >
    > I just thought, like a lot of us, even though on a monthly plan, you might
    > have a little cash in your "cash balance" for exactly this purpose
    > (roaming calls or whatever). I know that I do; I have a couple of bucks
    > in there...


    To add to my own thought -- the thought I was trying to get across
    earlier -- if you had a few bucks in the account for such a situation, that
    $0.29/min to make the apparently important call to your (client? job?
    ticket?) would have been an easy fix, and probably cheaper than the money
    you paid on gas driving around. You're beefing about the $0.29/min (what,
    would the call have cost you sixty cents total?) for something you've never
    had to do before. Just amortize that against the hundreds you've saved
    using PP vs. VZW. Don't buy those next 2 gumballs at the gas station or
    something, fer crissake...

    /shaking head

    :)
     
  9. tycho

    tycho Guest

    "Jeffrey Kaplan" <nomail@gordol.org> wrote in message
    news:lh5ea8pqeb98rlj0591jknsm910d06cri6@gordol.org...
    > Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, tycho said:
    >
    >> So, why didn't you pay the few pennies to make a roaming rather than the
    >> several dollars in gas driving around looking for a tower? :)

    >
    > He was trying to find a data connection so he could connect to his web
    > based ticket system, and data roaming is either disabled on the phone
    > (it's expen$ive) or not possible on his carrier.


    What he wrote was:

    "Rindge NH. Had to go there for a job, but didn't have the ticket with me,
    and when I went to look the address up on the web, had no web. Tried a
    call and got the roaming alert. I backtracked for about 10 miles and then
    said to heck with it and drove up to where I thought it was and wound up
    next door."

    I interpreted the whole thing as his =trying to determine the address=.

    He didn't have the ticket with him -- he therefore didn't have the address
    with him.

    He "tried to look up the address on the web" -- had no web for that purpose
    and couldn't do so.

    He "tried a call" and got the roaming alert. Why did he try the call? my
    (possible misinterpretation) was that he tried to call the customer to get
    the address. (But, in fairness, if he didn't have the ticket, it's likely
    that he didn't have the customer phone number to call either). :)

    But: armed with a little cash in the account, he could have used roaming
    and called the customer if he had the number, or called directory
    assistance, gotten the number/address, and/or then called the customer to
    verify/say "I'm on the way."

    A couple of deductible business expense bucks, max, for a legit business
    purpose and to make it all go smoother and faster for the customer.

    That's what I'd do...
     
  10. tlvp

    tlvp Guest

    On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 10:15:02 -0600, tycho wrote:

    > ... armed with a little cash in the account, he could have used roaming
    > and called the customer if he had the number, or called directory
    > assistance, gotten the number/address, and/or then called the customer to
    > verify/say "I'm on the way."
    >
    > A couple of deductible business expense bucks, max, for a legit business
    > purpose and to make it all go smoother and faster for the customer.
    >
    > That's what I'd do...


    And the rest of us poor slobs, who, like me, go trimester to trimester on a
    sequence of 100-minute/1 20-day PINs, would just call and have the
    29-cents/min extra come off our balance, without a second thought.
    Sometimes the simplest plan is the best plan :) .

    Cheers, -- tlvp
    --
    Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
     
  11. tycho

    tycho Guest

    "tlvp" <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote in message
    news:cqq6z61xt1x7$.164t1s1osyuy2.dlg@40tude.net...
    > On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 10:15:02 -0600, tycho wrote:
    >
    >> ... armed with a little cash in the account, he could have used roaming
    >> and called the customer if he had the number, or called directory
    >> assistance, gotten the number/address, and/or then called the customer to
    >> verify/say "I'm on the way."
    >>
    >> A couple of deductible business expense bucks, max, for a legit business
    >> purpose and to make it all go smoother and faster for the customer.
    >>
    >> That's what I'd do...

    >
    > And the rest of us poor slobs, who, like me, go trimester to trimester on
    > a
    > sequence of 100-minute/1 20-day PINs, would just call and have the
    > 29-cents/min extra come off our balance, without a second thought.
    > Sometimes the simplest plan is the best plan :) .


    Nah; I graduated from that simple place to "The 12." Woo! :)

    (It's been the right choice in the main, but last month was the first month
    that I would have been better off on the old standard plan. But I =was= out
    of the country and "off-cell" for a week during that month...)
     
  12. Todd Allcock

    Todd Allcock Guest

    At 18 Nov 2012 05:39:37 +0000 Justin wrote:
    > Todd Allcock wrote on [Sat, 17 Nov 2012 00:42:16 -0700]:
    > > At 17 Nov 2012 00:34:16 -0500 hachiroku wrote:
    > >> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:07:52 -0800, SMS wrote:
    > >>
    > >> > On 11/16/2012 8:49 AM, tycho wrote:
    > >> >> "hachiroku" <haciroku@e86.GTS> wrote in message
    > >> >> news:50a5d1a9$0$60614$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com...
    > >> >>> Rindge NH. Had to go there for a job, but didn't have the ticket

    > > with me,
    > >> >>> and when I went to look the address up on the web, had no web.

    > > Tried a
    > >> >>> call and got the roaming alert. I backtracked for about 10 miles

    > > and then
    > >> >>> said to heck with it and drove up to where I thought it was and

    > > wound up
    > >> >>> next door.
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>> Never saw a dead area that big before. Usually if you drive ~5

    miles
    > >> >>> you'll hit the right tower. Not this time.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Thanks for the scoop!
    > >> >>
    > >> >> So, why didn't you pay the few pennies to make a roaming rather

    than
    > > the
    > >> >> several dollars in gas driving around looking for a tower? :)
    > >> >
    > >> > I think what he was trying to say is that he tried a call just to

    see
    > > if
    > >> > he was roaming or not. Pageplus allows voice roaming (at extra

    cost),
    > >> > text roaming is not charged extra, but to the best of my knowledge,

    > > data
    > >> > roaming doesn't work at all. So by verifying that he was roaming,

    he
    > >> > knew that data wouldn't work.
    > >>
    > >> I was trying to get ANYTHING. I drove about 8 miles to see if I could

    > > get
    > >> off roaming.
    > >>
    > >> To tycho: you can't just "pay" for roaming, it has to be pre-paid at

    29
    > >> cents a minute. So with my $39 Unlimited plan, I would have to add
    > >> additional $$ in advance in order to call on roaming. Too much. Ten

    > > cents
    > >> would be OK.
    > >>
    > >> And I hit another dead spot tonight, and had to drive 5 miles to get

    off
    > >> roaming. Usually don't have to go more then 5 miles to get a regular
    > >> signal. THis only happens in one area in Vermont and a couple in Cow
    > >> Hampshire. Mass I rarely run into roaming.
    > >>

    > >
    > > Can't you just toss a $10 card on your account to cover incidentals?

    I
    > > leave a few extra dollars on my son's account in case of overages.

    >
    > I dunno, if you're on a $39 dollar UNLIMITED plan it should be UNLIMITED
    > not needing extra $10 for anything.
    >
    > But that's just my definition of unlimited.


    That's most people's definition of unlimited. That's also why most cell
    phone providers offer "no service" in many places where there is
    compatible service- so they can brag about how they charge "no roaming
    fees". They offer the "low hanging fruit" of roaming: companies with
    cheap roaming rates or reciprocal agreements.

    I'd much rather have my cell company honestly tell me "we can't afford to
    give you free roaming in East Bumf--k, Kansas, because the local provider
    charges ridiculously high rates, but if you really need to make a call
    there, you can, but it'll cost you $0.xx/minute.

    I've been a few places that my postpaid T-Mo phone had "no service", but
    a quick network scan showed AT&T service was available- T-Mo just didn't
    have a roaming agreement with them in that area. So, to protect the
    marketing department's "no roaming charges" claims, customers are simply
    denied access, rather than offered the option to pay extra for it.

    PagePlus, unlike most services, offers that option. If a compatible
    network is available that isn't part if your coverage, you can buy access
    for $0.29/minute, rather than your phone lying to you and claiming
    there's "no signal" (yet, somehow, "Emergency Calls Only" can still be
    placed...)
     
  13. Justin

    Justin Guest

    Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote on [Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:10:34 -0500]:
    >
    > It *is* unlimited--unlimited within the PagePlus territory.
    >
    > Just like AT&T's "unlimited" plan is unlimited within AT&T's territory.
    > No AT&T or partner tower--no service. Or do you expect that those with
    > AT&T "unlimited" plans should have service whether or not AT&T provides
    > it in a physical location?
    >
    > Do you REALLY think, in your teenage entitlement stand, that "unlimited"
    > means "anything I want anytime, no restrictions at all"?


    The dictionary seems to say so, yeah

    un·lim·it·ed (n-lm-td)
    adj.
    1. Having no restrictions or controls
    2. Having or seeming to have no boundaries
    3. Without qualification or exception; absolute
     
  14. SMS

    SMS Guest

    On 11/17/2012 10:13 PM, Todd Allcock wrote:

    > I'd much rather have my cell company honestly tell me "we can't afford to
    > give you free roaming in East Bumf--k, Kansas, because the local provider
    > charges ridiculously high rates, but if you really need to make a call
    > there, you can, but it'll cost you $0.xx/minute.


    I recall when Verizon moved from America's Choice to America's Choice
    II, and had two sets of maps, one for those on the old plan that could
    roam at extra cost, and one for America's Choice II which proudly
    boasted "no roaming charges." The old maps had far more coverage, and if
    you used America's Choice in only the America's Choice II area, you'd
    never pay roaming charges either.

    That said, the real advantage of Verizon over Pageplus is not that you
    have to occasionally pay for roaming on Pageplus, it's that there's no
    data roaming onto other providers with Pageplus. There are times when
    data roaming would be useful.
     
  15. hachiroku

    hachiroku Guest

    On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 10:15:02 -0600, tycho wrote:

    >
    > "Jeffrey Kaplan" <nomail@gordol.org> wrote in message
    > news:lh5ea8pqeb98rlj0591jknsm910d06cri6@gordol.org...
    >> Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, tycho said:
    >>
    >>> So, why didn't you pay the few pennies to make a roaming rather than the
    >>> several dollars in gas driving around looking for a tower? :)

    >>
    >> He was trying to find a data connection so he could connect to his web
    >> based ticket system, and data roaming is either disabled on the phone
    >> (it's expen$ive) or not possible on his carrier.

    >
    > What he wrote was:
    >
    > "Rindge NH. Had to go there for a job, but didn't have the ticket with me,
    > and when I went to look the address up on the web, had no web. Tried a
    > call and got the roaming alert. I backtracked for about 10 miles and then
    > said to heck with it and drove up to where I thought it was and wound up
    > next door."
    >
    > I interpreted the whole thing as his =trying to determine the address=.
    >
    > He didn't have the ticket with him -- he therefore didn't have the address
    > with him.
    >
    > He "tried to look up the address on the web" -- had no web for that purpose
    > and couldn't do so.
    >
    > He "tried a call" and got the roaming alert. Why did he try the call? my
    > (possible misinterpretation) was that he tried to call the customer to get
    > the address. (But, in fairness, if he didn't have the ticket, it's likely
    > that he didn't have the customer phone number to call either). :)
    >
    > But: armed with a little cash in the account, he could have used roaming
    > and called the customer if he had the number, or called directory
    > assistance, gotten the number/address, and/or then called the customer to
    > verify/say "I'm on the way."
    >
    > A couple of deductible business expense bucks, max, for a legit business
    > purpose and to make it all go smoother and faster for the customer.
    >
    > That's what I'd do...


    I think that's what I'd do too....from now on.

    I was trying to call Dispatch to get the address, and that's an 800
    number. I couldn't even find a pay phone! They're gone.

    I actually do not run into this situation a lot, I knew there was a dead
    spot around there. Now, here's the funny thing: This is near Franklin
    Pierce College. I have made call from FPC in the past, so I went to FPC,
    and still got the roaming message.

    A few months ago (6? 8?) I had to do the *228 (?) thing again to update my
    phone, and since them I have been roaming in places wher I wasn't before.
     
  16. hachiroku

    hachiroku Guest

    On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 21:27:58 -0500, tlvp wrote:

    > On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 10:15:02 -0600, tycho wrote:
    >
    >> ... armed with a little cash in the account, he could have used roaming
    >> and called the customer if he had the number, or called directory
    >> assistance, gotten the number/address, and/or then called the customer to
    >> verify/say "I'm on the way."
    >>
    >> A couple of deductible business expense bucks, max, for a legit business
    >> purpose and to make it all go smoother and faster for the customer.
    >>
    >> That's what I'd do...

    >
    > And the rest of us poor slobs, who, like me, go trimester to trimester on a
    > sequence of 100-minute/1 20-day PINs, would just call and have the
    > 29-cents/min extra come off our balance, without a second thought.
    > Sometimes the simplest plan is the best plan :) .
    >
    > Cheers, -- tlvp


    I hit about 1700 minutes a month...

    And about 200 texts.
     
  17. hachiroku

    hachiroku Guest

    On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 09:59:00 -0600, tycho wrote:

    >
    > "hachiroku" <haciroku@e86.GTS> wrote in message
    > news:50a721fe$0$22852$c3e8da3$76a7c58f@news.astraweb.com...
    >> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:07:52 -0800, SMS wrote:
    >>
    >>> On 11/16/2012 8:49 AM, tycho wrote:
    >>>> "hachiroku" <haciroku@e86.GTS> wrote in message
    >>>> news:50a5d1a9$0$60614$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com...
    >>>>> Rindge NH. Had to go there for a job, but didn't have the ticket with
    >>>>> me,
    >>>>> and when I went to look the address up on the web, had no web. Tried a
    >>>>> call and got the roaming alert. I backtracked for about 10 miles and
    >>>>> then
    >>>>> said to heck with it and drove up to where I thought it was and wound
    >>>>> up
    >>>>> next door.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Never saw a dead area that big before. Usually if you drive ~5 miles
    >>>>> you'll hit the right tower. Not this time.
    >>>>
    >>>> Thanks for the scoop!
    >>>>
    >>>> So, why didn't you pay the few pennies to make a roaming rather than the
    >>>> several dollars in gas driving around looking for a tower? :)
    >>>
    >>> I think what he was trying to say is that he tried a call just to see if
    >>> he was roaming or not. Pageplus allows voice roaming (at extra cost),
    >>> text roaming is not charged extra, but to the best of my knowledge, data
    >>> roaming doesn't work at all. So by verifying that he was roaming, he
    >>> knew that data wouldn't work.

    >>
    >> I was trying to get ANYTHING. I drove about 8 miles to see if I could get
    >> off roaming.
    >>
    >> To tycho: you can't just "pay" for roaming, it has to be pre-paid at 29
    >> cents a minute. So with my $39 Unlimited plan, I would have to add
    >> additional $$ in advance in order to call on roaming. Too much. Ten cents
    >> would be OK.
    >>

    > @hachiroku: I know, I know -- I have PagePlus too and have used it for
    > years.
    >
    > I just thought, like a lot of us, even though on a monthly plan, you might
    > have a little cash in your "cash balance" for exactly this purpose (roaming
    > calls or whatever). I know that I do; I have a couple of bucks in there...


    Will from now oon. The thing is, I so rarely use roaming that the balance
    would expire before it was used up. :(
     
  18. hachiroku

    hachiroku Guest

    On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 10:05:29 -0600, tycho wrote:

    >
    > "tycho" <this@wont-work.com> wrote in message
    > news:k88c91$gl9$1@dont-email.me...
    >>
    >> "hachiroku" <haciroku@e86.GTS> wrote in message
    >> news:50a721fe$0$22852$c3e8da3$76a7c58f@news.astraweb.com...
    >>> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:07:52 -0800, SMS wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On 11/16/2012 8:49 AM, tycho wrote:
    >>>>> "hachiroku" <haciroku@e86.GTS> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:50a5d1a9$0$60614$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com...
    >>>>>> Rindge NH. Had to go there for a job, but didn't have the ticket with
    >>>>>> me,
    >>>>>> and when I went to look the address up on the web, had no web. Tried a
    >>>>>> call and got the roaming alert. I backtracked for about 10 miles and
    >>>>>> then
    >>>>>> said to heck with it and drove up to where I thought it was and wound
    >>>>>> up
    >>>>>> next door.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Never saw a dead area that big before. Usually if you drive ~5 miles
    >>>>>> you'll hit the right tower. Not this time.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Thanks for the scoop!
    >>>>>
    >>>>> So, why didn't you pay the few pennies to make a roaming rather than
    >>>>> the
    >>>>> several dollars in gas driving around looking for a tower? :)
    >>>>
    >>>> I think what he was trying to say is that he tried a call just to see if
    >>>> he was roaming or not. Pageplus allows voice roaming (at extra cost),
    >>>> text roaming is not charged extra, but to the best of my knowledge, data
    >>>> roaming doesn't work at all. So by verifying that he was roaming, he
    >>>> knew that data wouldn't work.
    >>>
    >>> I was trying to get ANYTHING. I drove about 8 miles to see if I could get
    >>> off roaming.
    >>>
    >>> To tycho: you can't just "pay" for roaming, it has to be pre-paid at 29
    >>> cents a minute. So with my $39 Unlimited plan, I would have to add
    >>> additional $$ in advance in order to call on roaming. Too much. Ten cents
    >>> would be OK.
    >>>

    >> @hachiroku: I know, I know -- I have PagePlus too and have used it for
    >> years.
    >>
    >> I just thought, like a lot of us, even though on a monthly plan, you might
    >> have a little cash in your "cash balance" for exactly this purpose
    >> (roaming calls or whatever). I know that I do; I have a couple of bucks
    >> in there...

    >
    > To add to my own thought -- the thought I was trying to get across
    > earlier -- if you had a few bucks in the account for such a situation, that
    > $0.29/min to make the apparently important call to your (client? job?
    > ticket?) would have been an easy fix, and probably cheaper than the money
    > you paid on gas driving around. You're beefing about the $0.29/min (what,
    > would the call have cost you sixty cents total?) for something you've never
    > had to do before. Just amortize that against the hundreds you've saved
    > using PP vs. VZW. Don't buy those next 2 gumballs at the gas station or
    > something, fer crissake...
    >
    > /shaking head
    >
    > :)


    LOL! Yes, when pitted against what Verizon was costing me ($60 a month
    with the "Blackberry plan" at $30 a month) 29 cents is a paltry sum.

    Advice taken and duly noted! ;)
     
  19. hachiroku

    hachiroku Guest

    On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 11:56:42 -0500, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

    > In article <k88cl6$ja1$1@dont-email.me>, "tycho" <this@wont-work.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> To add to my own thought -- the thought I was trying to get across
    >> earlier -- if you had a few bucks in the account for such a situation, that
    >> $0.29/min to make the apparently important call to your (client? job?
    >> ticket?) would have been an easy fix, and probably cheaper than the money
    >> you paid on gas driving around.

    >
    > But...but...but...the twiddle factor! HE WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN TO
    > TWIDDLE AND FIDDLE AROUND DESPITE HAVING THE PERFECT EXCUSE FOR IT!
    >
    > Many people aren't about solving the problem, they're about extending
    > the problem so they can fiddle and twiddle about. No doubt his "job"
    > involves such twiddling and fiddling with a customer's systems; he
    > enjoys such twiddling and fiddling, and doesn't really give a damn
    > if/when the problem is ACTUALLY solved.


    Yes, I do. When I leave, you're problem is either fixed, you're going to
    get the parts tomorrow that WILL fix your system, or your getting a
    replacement unit. And before I go, I VERIFY that your system is working,
    or I don't go.


    >
    > So here was the perfect excuse not to solve his problem, but to fiddle
    > with things--"OK, I'm roaming, so let's drive however long it takes
    > until I'm not roaming, then find the actual dividing line where the
    > native tower drops off...." despite his not actually having to know that
    > whatsoever as part of what he's there for.
     
  20. hachiroku

    hachiroku Guest

    On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 09:05:31 -0800, SMS wrote:

    > On 11/17/2012 10:13 PM, Todd Allcock wrote:
    >
    >> I'd much rather have my cell company honestly tell me "we can't afford to
    >> give you free roaming in East Bumf--k, Kansas, because the local provider
    >> charges ridiculously high rates, but if you really need to make a call
    >> there, you can, but it'll cost you $0.xx/minute.

    >
    > I recall when Verizon moved from America's Choice to America's Choice
    > II, and had two sets of maps, one for those on the old plan that could
    > roam at extra cost, and one for America's Choice II which proudly
    > boasted "no roaming charges." The old maps had far more coverage, and if
    > you used America's Choice in only the America's Choice II area, you'd
    > never pay roaming charges either.
    >
    > That said, the real advantage of Verizon over Pageplus is not that you
    > have to occasionally pay for roaming on Pageplus, it's that there's no
    > data roaming onto other providers with Pageplus. There are times when
    > data roaming would be useful.


    I had had the ticket pulled up earlier in the day, I had been hoping it
    was cached in the phone's memory, but it wasn't, and that's when I found I
    had no service. Ah well, Like Geddy Lee says, "Hey, ten bucks is ten bucks!" ;)
     

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