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Forget Portability. Don't Charge For LL Access!

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Real Estate Agent, Sep 11, 2003.

  1. Isaiah Beard

    Isaiah Beard Guest

    Real Estate Agent wrote:


    > I am far more concerned over the note in my most recent invoice. It said
    > local phone companies are going to stop routing calls to cell phones for
    > free, in favor of picking up some long distance revenue. In other words,
    > the "wide area access" we have enjoyed in the past is about to end.




    You know, this is sounding a whole lot like the BS Bell Atlantic Mobile
    (before it was gobbled up by VZW) was trying to feed me when I had
    analog service with them back in the day. They would "pass along" a
    $.05/minute "landline interconnect fee" whenever I made a local call to
    a landline phone. They claimed, similarly, that the landline exchange
    carrier was charging Bell Atlantic Mobile this fee, because they had the
    right to treat such calls as they would LD calls.

    One problem: in my area, the local exchange carrier was, in fact, Bell
    Atlantic. And they could not explain why Bell Atlantic, the landline
    company, saw fit to charge Bell Atlantic, the cellular division (again,
    this is before the merger and BAM was wholly owned by BA back then) this
    interconnect fee. Nor could they explain why other cell companies who
    were starting to offer cheaper calling plans didn't see the need to pass
    this fee on to thair customers.

    Of course, their inability to explain this didn't get the charges
    waived, but it was still interesting that they chose to "pass" these
    charges along. :) They are probably trying to use the same reasoning in
    your area.



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  2. Isaiah Beard

    Isaiah Beard Guest

    Real Estate Agent wrote:

    > Now, as I understand it, phone companies have the right to treat these as
    > Long Distance service. Although I have an 800 number with AT&T, I have not
    > been successful in getting it to ring a cell number; they tell me it must go
    > to a landline.


    About the 800 number: interesting. I too have a toll free 88 number,
    but it rings to my cell, and I've never had any problem even though the
    carrier knows that this is a cell phone. I'm paying $.045/minute for
    the service, from calls anywhere in the US.

    The bad news: the company serving my toll free number is Worldcom, or
    MCI as they like to call themselves now. Still, it's a good deal, and
    even after shopping around since they've declared bankruptcy, I haven't
    found anyone out there willing to give me a better rate. So I have no
    qualms sticking with them as long as they stay in business. If you're
    similarly unconcerned, you may want to switch your toll free numbers
    over (number portability for toll free numbers is and has been working
    for some time now).
  3. p lane

    p lane Guest

    If I understand this, land line calls from a metro area, to cell phones
    in this same metro area are still considered local--but adjoining
    smaller town surrounding the big metro area, would now possibly be
    charged long distance to calls to the big metro area cell phone
    numbers(as would any land line to land line call)

    Something that is being offered by various land-line phone companies
    (bell south in my case) has a "complete choice" plan; the carrot is
    unlimited free long distance and virtually all optional services (it
    call fwd, call id, etc, etc) included at no extra charge, also a
    discount on the basic rate of up to 25%--the catch is a contract to stay
    with the company for whatever length you choose--the details on this
    plan is avail at bellsouth.com--I understand that most other carriers
    have their versions of this-

    This might help with the ll access with no extra charge--but I am
    wondering what other disadvantages I may have missed..comments,
    advice...

    Group Special Mobile <look@signature_to.reply> wrote in article
    <mqc6mvc2nke9hh5u2sv6lgts5pntvaorm8@4ax.com>:
    > On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:37:34 -0600, "Clay" <john@doe.com> wrote:
    >
    > >Another option is http://www.accxx.com There is no montly fee and its only
    > >4.9 cents per minute. You can have as many 800 numbers as you want. I
    > >currently have 2 and one rings my cell.

    >
    > Their international rates are nothing to write home to mom about e.g.
    > 49 cents/minute to call mobile phones in the UK.
    >
    > Gorillamobile <http://gorillamobile.com> on the other hand is 4
    > cents/minute for domestic, 5 cents/minute to Canada, 8 cents/minute to
    > call the UK (which is 1.5 cents/minute more than accxx) or 25
    > cents/minute to call mobile phones in the UK which is almost half of
    > the rate that accxx charges.
    >
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    > To send an email reply send to
    > GSMthemobilestandard (@) yahoo.com


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  4. On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:40:30 -0000, planenospam@usa.com (p lane)
    wrote:

    >Something that is being offered by various land-line phone companies
    >(bell south in my case) has a "complete choice" plan; the carrot is
    >unlimited free long distance and virtually all optional services (it
    >call fwd, call id, etc, etc) included at no extra charge, also a
    >discount on the basic rate of up to 25%--the catch is a contract to stay
    >with the company for whatever length you choose--the details on this
    >plan is avail at bellsouth.com--I understand that most other carriers
    >have their versions of this-


    There's a distinction to be made, at least with BellSouth. The
    Complete Choice Plan is the one with all the bundled services. The
    "unlimited long distance" plan (only within your LATA) is designated
    as Area Plus. You can have either or both. Do they now have a plan
    offering unlimited long distance outside your LATA? I used to have
    Complete Choice and Area Plus, but dropped AP when I figured out it
    was a waste of money. I hardly call anyone outside my local calling
    area, and when I do, I use my cell.
  5. p lane

    p lane Guest

    As I understand the offer made to me, and I have a fax of the contract,
    i get all calling features, except no voice mail---a selection of some
    of them--I get unlimited long distance to anywhere in the 50 states, and
    either a 8%, 15, or 25% discount from the base rate, depending on
    contact length I cancel before contract end date, $20 mth cancellation
    cost


    Some of the info is available on bellsouth.com



    The Ghost of General Lee <ghost@general.lee> wrote in article
    <jga6nvghqri9soegkf53uttj8l9qr2debn@4ax.com>:
    > On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:40:30 -0000, planenospam@usa.com (p lane)
    > wrote:
    >
    > >Something that is being offered by various land-line phone companies
    > >(bell south in my case) has a "complete choice" plan; the carrot is
    > >unlimited free long distance and virtually all optional services (it
    > >call fwd, call id, etc, etc) included at no extra charge, also a
    > >discount on the basic rate of up to 25%--the catch is a contract to stay
    > >with the company for whatever length you choose--the details on this
    > >plan is avail at bellsouth.com--I understand that most other carriers
    > >have their versions of this-

    >
    > There's a distinction to be made, at least with BellSouth. The
    > Complete Choice Plan is the one with all the bundled services. The
    > "unlimited long distance" plan (only within your LATA) is designated
    > as Area Plus. You can have either or both. Do they now have a plan
    > offering unlimited long distance outside your LATA? I used to have
    > Complete Choice and Area Plus, but dropped AP when I figured out it
    > was a waste of money. I hardly call anyone outside my local calling
    > area, and when I do, I use my cell.
    >
    >
    >


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  6. On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:43:25 -0000, planenospam@usa.com (p lane)
    wrote:

    >As I understand the offer made to me, and I have a fax of the contract,
    > i get all calling features, except no voice mail---a selection of some
    >of them--I get unlimited long distance to anywhere in the 50 states, and
    >either a 8%, 15, or 25% discount from the base rate, depending on
    >contact length I cancel before contract end date, $20 mth cancellation
    >cost
    >
    >
    >Some of the info is available on bellsouth.com


    I recall getting a similar flyer recently, but it only involved the
    long distance. I probably didn't get the Complete Choice one since
    I'm already a CC customer. I tossed it since the rates didn't look
    that good to me, and I don't use long distance from home anymore. And
    when I did, I used Call 4 Cents (10-15-335), which, as it's name
    suggests, was only 4 cents per minute. And I don't recall anything
    about a contract period, but that may be due to different tarrifs in
    different states.

    Before you go ahead with that plan, I'd suggest you check out
    http://www.10-10-phonerates.com and see if they show a plan which
    might work out better for you in the long run, and wouldn't require
    you to sign a contract. Also, you shouldn't have to sign a contract
    to get CC by itself.

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