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GPS info in field test mode on Motorola C343 with Verizona

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Buster, Dec 7, 2003.

  1. Buster

    Buster Guest

    Interesting stuff. I was playing around with my knew phone tonight.

    I upgraded from a very old Audiovox CDM-8xxx series phone to the Motorola
    C343. I have Verizon cellular.

    First I was messing with WAP, SMS/EMS and Ringtones/"get it now" today.
    Nothing great. Not impressed with WAP one bit. The polyphonic ringtones
    are cool, but it's rather expensive to get new ringtones.

    Then I was trying to figure out what use this aGPS stuff was. I understand
    the whole emergency call reporting your location, but why does the cell
    phone have the ability to set "location" active for 911 only or all the
    time? All the GPS calculations are done at the cell towers and reported
    back to the 911 operators. The only thing the phone does is relay timing
    information to the towers.

    I messed with the phone for awhile and grew tired of it.

    I previously managed the 300+ cell phones at work and got used to running
    around with my V60 in field test mode trying to figure out why AT&T service
    was so crappy in our area. For the hell of it, I switched the C343 into
    field test mode to see what it was like on Verizon's network.

    Well, the usual menus are there. A little extra information is thrown on
    there beyond what the v60 had.

    One interesting thing though. It had a GPS screen in field test mode. I
    let it try to get a lock, but it wouldn't show any values in the fields. It
    appears that it has the capability to show; Latitude, Longitude, Altitude,
    Bearing, Velocity, Horizontal Velocity, Vertical Velocity and a whole lot
    more GPS information. It even has a "SAT" screen that showed GPS satelite
    information (all zeros though) and a "Pilot" screen".

    I messed around enabling and disabling location to see if I could get GPS to
    "lock". I also tried stepping outside and seeing if I could get a GPS
    "lock" but couldn't get any information to display on the field test
    screens.


    Interesting stuff though. I wonder if it will ever show the GPS
    information.
     



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  2. Diamond Dave

    Diamond Dave Guest

    On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:08:30 -0700, "Buster" <spamcatcher@gci-net.com>
    wrote:

    >Interesting stuff though. I wonder if it will ever show the GPS
    >information.


    I have a motorola v120e that is aGPS enabled. I too can get it to go
    to the Field Test Mode screens and have yet to have it show any GPS
    info.

    I've tried in the DC region, Portland, ME, San Diego, CA, St. Louis,
    MO, Virginia Beach, VA, Richmond, VA and still haven't had it work
    yet.

    I don't know if Verizon doesn't yet have it enabled or what?

    Dave
     
  3. FLUG PoP

    FLUG PoP Guest

    Maybe it only becomes active when the phone is told to display it, like calling
    911 or something. Otherwise it doesn't show anything.










    There's always a smart ass in the crowd.. Remove NOSPAM to respond
     
  4. Aboutdakota

    Aboutdakota Guest

    Diamond Dave wrote:
    > On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:08:30 -0700, "Buster" <spamcatcher@gci-net.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Interesting stuff though. I wonder if it will ever show the GPS
    >>information.

    >
    >
    > I have a motorola v120e that is aGPS enabled. I too can get it to go
    > to the Field Test Mode screens and have yet to have it show any GPS
    > info.
    >
    > I've tried in the DC region, Portland, ME, San Diego, CA, St. Louis,
    > MO, Virginia Beach, VA, Richmond, VA and still haven't had it work
    > yet.
    >
    > I don't know if Verizon doesn't yet have it enabled or what?
    >
    > Dave


    Maybe the current software version doesn't support it.

    ==AD
     
  5. Roger Binns

    Roger Binns Guest

    > I don't know if Verizon doesn't yet have it enabled or what?

    My best guess is that phone actually downloads its location.

    It gives a GPS signal summary to the towers, which can then compute
    the actual location.

    On the 4400 there are debug menus where you can enter server
    locations.

    GIN and WAP are just based off IP addresses as well, so it
    would make sense for GPS to work in some similar fashion.

    Roger
     
  6. Maybe if you dial 911... the screen will be populated ????

    -Tom

    "Roger Binns" <rogerb@rogerbinns.com> wrote in message news:<26ila1-qdk.ln1@home.rogerbinns.com>...
    > > I don't know if Verizon doesn't yet have it enabled or what?

    >
    > My best guess is that phone actually downloads its location.
    >
    > It gives a GPS signal summary to the towers, which can then compute
    > the actual location.
    >
     
  7. Joe Burke

    Joe Burke Guest

    "Thomas Zielinski" <junk@oddbite.com> wrote in message
    news:4af581c2.0312121835.53be7d6e@posting.google.com...
    > Maybe if you dial 911... the screen will be populated ????


    If you want to try it, go ahead and let us know after you do it.

    Joe
     
  8. SCott

    SCott Guest

    "Joe Burke" <abc@123.com> wrote in message news:<PevCb.8192$JW3.7030@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...
    > "Thomas Zielinski" <junk@oddbite.com> wrote in message
    > news:4af581c2.0312121835.53be7d6e@posting.google.com...
    > > Maybe if you dial 911... the screen will be populated ????

    >
    > If you want to try it, go ahead and let us know after you do it.
    >
    > Joe


    I have a Samsung A530 and in field test mode it actually shows the
    longitude and lattitude. Pretty interesting.
     
  9. Joe Burke

    Joe Burke Guest

    "SCott" <sbrady@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
    news:8c355900.0312131825.7cac17a7@posting.google.com...
    > "Joe Burke" <abc@123.com> wrote in message

    news:<PevCb.8192$JW3.7030@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...
    > > "Thomas Zielinski" <junk@oddbite.com> wrote in message
    > > news:4af581c2.0312121835.53be7d6e@posting.google.com...
    > > > Maybe if you dial 911... the screen will be populated ????

    > >
    > > If you want to try it, go ahead and let us know after you do it.
    > >
    > > Joe

    >
    > I have a Samsung A530 and in field test mode it actually shows the
    > longitude and lattitude. Pretty interesting.


    Most likely it depends on if VZW has set it up in your area. Your local 911
    PSAP probably gets your GPS info if you call them.
    I think this is part of E911 Phase 2. What area are you in?

    Joe
     
  10. Ken

    Ken Guest

    I have an i730 and it works just fine. The aGPS's 'a' part is to allow it
    to obtain it's location fast. The theory or principle is that the phone
    will obtain it a locational reference from the cell towers and then 'know'
    which staelites to look for. The stats on the Oncore AGPS chip set say that
    it can find a location in less than 6 seconds when it is doing AGPS. Now
    there is a part that has to happen on the carrier side and that is that they
    have install the software to support AGPS. If something like Location
    Server isn't running on the carrier's side then you phone works like a
    regular non assisted GPS.
    I am up in Canada and I know for a fact that Telus is not yet running the A
    stuff for the GPS, they have it budgeted but it isn't installed yet. My
    phone will take up to more than a minute to return a location intially, once
    it has located satelites, usually 3-4, it can hold the fixes rather well. I
    have hooked it up to my laptop and driven around the local downtaown area
    and the phone had not problems maintaining a locational fix as I drove
    around, I was using MapPoint 2002 for the test. I am working on the cabling
    to hook it up to my APRS radio as well.
    If you want more information on the e911 stuff you might try the Openwave
    site and check out Location Server.

    "Buster" <spamcatcher@gci-net.com> wrote in message
    news:vt81g5fkrp1bd6@corp.supernews.com...
    > Interesting stuff. I was playing around with my knew phone tonight.
    >
    > I upgraded from a very old Audiovox CDM-8xxx series phone to the Motorola
    > C343. I have Verizon cellular.
    >
    > First I was messing with WAP, SMS/EMS and Ringtones/"get it now" today.
    > Nothing great. Not impressed with WAP one bit. The polyphonic ringtones
    > are cool, but it's rather expensive to get new ringtones.
    >
    > Then I was trying to figure out what use this aGPS stuff was. I

    understand
    > the whole emergency call reporting your location, but why does the cell
    > phone have the ability to set "location" active for 911 only or all the
    > time? All the GPS calculations are done at the cell towers and reported
    > back to the 911 operators. The only thing the phone does is relay timing
    > information to the towers.
    >
    > I messed with the phone for awhile and grew tired of it.
     
  11. Roger Binns

    Roger Binns Guest

  12. SCott

    SCott Guest

    "Joe Burke" <abc@123.com> wrote in message news:<hIRCb.11140$Ug6.4740@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...
    > "SCott" <sbrady@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
    > news:8c355900.0312131825.7cac17a7@posting.google.com...
    > > "Joe Burke" <abc@123.com> wrote in message

    > news:<PevCb.8192$JW3.7030@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...
    > > > "Thomas Zielinski" <junk@oddbite.com> wrote in message
    > > > news:4af581c2.0312121835.53be7d6e@posting.google.com...
    > > > > Maybe if you dial 911... the screen will be populated ????
    > > >
    > > > If you want to try it, go ahead and let us know after you do it.
    > > >
    > > > Joe

    > >
    > > I have a Samsung A530 and in field test mode it actually shows the
    > > longitude and lattitude. Pretty interesting.

    >
    > Most likely it depends on if VZW has set it up in your area. Your local 911
    > PSAP probably gets your GPS info if you call them.
    > I think this is part of E911 Phase 2. What area are you in?
    >
    > Joe



    I'm at LAT -2147483... Oh, nevermind, I'm in Greensboro, NC :)
     
  13. Usererror

    Usererror Guest

    Can you point us in the right direction to get it to show up on the A530. I
    have been unable to find instruction (and yes, I've tried google)

    "SCott" <sbrady@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
    news:8c355900.0312131825.7cac17a7@posting.google.com...
    > "Joe Burke" <abc@123.com> wrote in message

    news:<PevCb.8192$JW3.7030@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...
    > > "Thomas Zielinski" <junk@oddbite.com> wrote in message
    > > news:4af581c2.0312121835.53be7d6e@posting.google.com...
    > > > Maybe if you dial 911... the screen will be populated ????

    > >
    > > If you want to try it, go ahead and let us know after you do it.
    > >
    > > Joe

    >
    > I have a Samsung A530 and in field test mode it actually shows the
    > longitude and lattitude. Pretty interesting.





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  14. sbrady@triad.rr.com (SCott) wrote in message news:<8c355900.0312140858.36e5f8c4@posting.google.com>...
    > "Joe Burke" <abc@123.com> wrote in message news:<hIRCb.11140$Ug6.4740@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...
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    > > > "Joe Burke" <abc@123.com> wrote in message

    > news:<PevCb.8192$JW3.7030@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...
    > > > > "Thomas Zielinski" <junk@oddbite.com> wrote in message
    > > > > news:4af581c2.0312121835.53be7d6e@posting.google.com...
    > > > > > Maybe if you dial 911... the screen will be populated ????
    > > > >
    > > > > If you want to try it, go ahead and let us know after you do it.
    > > > >
    > > > > Joe
    > > >
    > > > I have a Samsung A530 and in field test mode it actually shows the
    > > > longitude and lattitude. Pretty interesting.

    > >
    > > Most likely it depends on if VZW has set it up in your area. Your local 911
    > > PSAP probably gets your GPS info if you call them.
    > > I think this is part of E911 Phase 2. What area are you in?
    > >
    > > Joe

    >
    >
    > I'm at LAT -2147483... Oh, nevermind, I'm in Greensboro, NC :)


    Hrm. I too am in that area and my VX4400B seems to never be able to get a GPS lock.

    *Michael Notforyou*
     
  15. SCott

    SCott Guest

    "Usererror" <root@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:<3fdca1fe_1@127.0.0.1>...
    > Can you point us in the right direction to get it to show up on the A530. I
    > have been unable to find instruction (and yes, I've tried google)


    I just put the phone in field test mode:
    Menu-->9-->*-->000000

    Select Debug Screen, Option 1:

    Go to the Position Scrn, right key seven times:

    and there it is--my location

    >
    > "SCott" <sbrady@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
    > news:8c355900.0312131825.7cac17a7@posting.google.com...
    > > "Joe Burke" <abc@123.com> wrote in message

    > news:<PevCb.8192$JW3.7030@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...
    > > > "Thomas Zielinski" <junk@oddbite.com> wrote in message
    > > > news:4af581c2.0312121835.53be7d6e@posting.google.com...
    > > > > Maybe if you dial 911... the screen will be populated ????
    > > >
    > > > If you want to try it, go ahead and let us know after you do it.
    > > >
    > > > Joe

    > >
    > > I have a Samsung A530 and in field test mode it actually shows the
    > > longitude and lattitude. Pretty interesting.

    >
    >
    >
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