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How to Clear Lifetime Timer on V60i

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by E Jones, Oct 1, 2004.

  1. E Jones

    E Jones Guest

    Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i (CDMA)?

    Thanks.

    - ESJ
     



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  2. Strongbox

    Strongbox Guest

    On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, E Jones wrote:

    > Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i (CDMA)?
    >
    > Thanks.
    >
    > - ESJ


    Not without re-flashing the phone's firmware.
     
  3. Joseph

    Joseph Guest

    On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones" <earl_jonesx@usax.net>
    wrote:

    >Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i (CDMA)?


    What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a used
    car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that there's
    not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be what you
    are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a phone!

    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
     
  4. Now why would you want to do that?? The answer is no, but I am suspicious
    of anyone desiring to do so..


    "E Jones" <earl_jonesx@usax.net> wrote in message
    news:3He7d.165573$787.163147@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
    > Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i (CDMA)?
    >
    > Thanks.
    >
    > - ESJ
    >
    >
    >
     
  5. Philip

    Philip Guest

    Joseph wrote:
    > On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones" <earl_jonesx@usax.net>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i
    >> (CDMA)?

    >
    > What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a used
    > car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that there's
    > not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be what you
    > are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a phone!
    >
    > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -



    AS if ... it mattered. Is there a suggestion that lifetime hours would
    diminish your "new every two" credit toward a new phone? LOL Lemme see
    (looks for the lifetime number in his Audiovox 9155) how many hours I've
    logged. Hmmm ... the phone reports 239 hours in 22 months. Whatever!
    --

    -Philip
     
  6. ModernMiko

    ModernMiko Guest

    "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    news:eek:_q7d.673$UP1.195@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > Joseph wrote:
    > > On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones" <earl_jonesx@usax.net>
    > > wrote:
    > >
    > >> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i
    > >> (CDMA)?

    > >
    > > What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a used
    > > car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that there's
    > > not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be what you
    > > are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a phone!
    > >
    > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

    >
    >
    > AS if ... it mattered. Is there a suggestion that lifetime hours would
    > diminish your "new every two" credit toward a new phone? LOL Lemme see
    > (looks for the lifetime number in his Audiovox 9155) how many hours I've
    > logged. Hmmm ... the phone reports 239 hours in 22 months. Whatever!
    > --
    >
    > -Philip


    No but it would make a phone look more appealing to a buyer on Ebay...

    --
    JennL
     
  7. ModernMiko

    ModernMiko Guest

    "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    news:eek:_q7d.673$UP1.195@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > Joseph wrote:
    > > On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones" <earl_jonesx@usax.net>
    > > wrote:
    > >
    > >> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i
    > >> (CDMA)?

    > >
    > > What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a used
    > > car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that there's
    > > not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be what you
    > > are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a phone!
    > >
    > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

    >
    >
    > AS if ... it mattered. Is there a suggestion that lifetime hours would
    > diminish your "new every two" credit toward a new phone? LOL Lemme see
    > (looks for the lifetime number in his Audiovox 9155) how many hours I've
    > logged. Hmmm ... the phone reports 239 hours in 22 months. Whatever!
    > --
    >
    > -Philip


    No but it would make a phone look more appealing to a buyer on Ebay...

    --
    JennL
     
  8. Joseph

    Joseph Guest

    On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 05:26:44 GMT, "Philip"
    <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote:

    >Joseph wrote:
    >> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones" <earl_jonesx@usax.net>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i
    >>> (CDMA)?

    >>
    >> What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a used
    >> car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that there's
    >> not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be what you
    >> are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a phone!
    >>
    >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

    >
    >
    >AS if ... it mattered. Is there a suggestion that lifetime hours would
    >diminish your "new every two" credit toward a new phone? LOL Lemme see
    >(looks for the lifetime number in his Audiovox 9155) how many hours I've
    >logged. Hmmm ... the phone reports 239 hours in 22 months. Whatever!


    In other words you have no qualms ethically if you had the ability you
    would roll back the lifetimer or roll back an odometer on a car, eh?
    The "whatever" may be important to someone who doesn't particularly
    want a unit that's been used to death. That's what the "whatever" is.
    Or perhaps you don't think honesty is important?
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
     
  9. Joseph

    Joseph Guest

    On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 05:26:44 GMT, "Philip"
    <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote:

    >Joseph wrote:
    >> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones" <earl_jonesx@usax.net>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i
    >>> (CDMA)?

    >>
    >> What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a used
    >> car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that there's
    >> not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be what you
    >> are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a phone!
    >>
    >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

    >
    >
    >AS if ... it mattered. Is there a suggestion that lifetime hours would
    >diminish your "new every two" credit toward a new phone? LOL Lemme see
    >(looks for the lifetime number in his Audiovox 9155) how many hours I've
    >logged. Hmmm ... the phone reports 239 hours in 22 months. Whatever!


    In other words you have no qualms ethically if you had the ability you
    would roll back the lifetimer or roll back an odometer on a car, eh?
    The "whatever" may be important to someone who doesn't particularly
    want a unit that's been used to death. That's what the "whatever" is.
    Or perhaps you don't think honesty is important?
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
     
  10. Philip

    Philip Guest

    ModernMiko wrote:
    > "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    > news:eek:_q7d.673$UP1.195@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    >> Joseph wrote:
    >>> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones" <earl_jonesx@usax.net>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i
    >>>> (CDMA)?
    >>>
    >>> What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a
    >>> used car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that
    >>> there's
    >>> not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be what
    >>> you are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a phone!
    >>>
    >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

    >>
    >>
    >> AS if ... it mattered. Is there a suggestion that lifetime hours
    >> would diminish your "new every two" credit toward a new phone? LOL
    >> Lemme see (looks for the lifetime number in his Audiovox 9155) how
    >> many hours I've logged. Hmmm ... the phone reports 239 hours in 22
    >> months. Whatever! --
    >>
    >> -Philip

    >
    > No but it would make a phone look more appealing to a buyer on Ebay...



    Think about the mortality curve. Lots of failures in the first 5% of a
    device's life and then a sharp decrease. An "experienced" device has
    survived the most failure prone period of its life expectancy.
    --

    -Philip
     
  11. Philip

    Philip Guest

    ModernMiko wrote:
    > "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    > news:eek:_q7d.673$UP1.195@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    >> Joseph wrote:
    >>> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones" <earl_jonesx@usax.net>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i
    >>>> (CDMA)?
    >>>
    >>> What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a
    >>> used car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that
    >>> there's
    >>> not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be what
    >>> you are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a phone!
    >>>
    >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

    >>
    >>
    >> AS if ... it mattered. Is there a suggestion that lifetime hours
    >> would diminish your "new every two" credit toward a new phone? LOL
    >> Lemme see (looks for the lifetime number in his Audiovox 9155) how
    >> many hours I've logged. Hmmm ... the phone reports 239 hours in 22
    >> months. Whatever! --
    >>
    >> -Philip

    >
    > No but it would make a phone look more appealing to a buyer on Ebay...



    Think about the mortality curve. Lots of failures in the first 5% of a
    device's life and then a sharp decrease. An "experienced" device has
    survived the most failure prone period of its life expectancy.
    --

    -Philip
     
  12. Philip

    Philip Guest

    Joseph wrote:
    > On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 05:26:44 GMT, "Philip"
    > <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote:
    >
    >> Joseph wrote:
    >>> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones" <earl_jonesx@usax.net>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i
    >>>> (CDMA)?
    >>>
    >>> What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a
    >>> used car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that
    >>> there's
    >>> not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be what
    >>> you are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a phone!
    >>>
    >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

    >>
    >>
    >> AS if ... it mattered. Is there a suggestion that lifetime hours
    >> would diminish your "new every two" credit toward a new phone? LOL
    >> Lemme see (looks for the lifetime number in his Audiovox 9155) how
    >> many hours I've logged. Hmmm ... the phone reports 239 hours in 22
    >> months. Whatever!

    >
    >
    > In other words you have no qualms ethically if you had the ability you
    > would roll back the lifetimer or roll back an odometer on a car, eh?
    > The "whatever" may be important to someone who doesn't particularly
    > want a unit that's been used to death. That's what the "whatever" is.
    > Or perhaps you don't think honesty is important?
    > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -



    That may be your inference but such is not reflected in what I posted.
    Since you wish to make this into a discussion of ethics, it is an academic
    falsehood to reset the lifetime timer to zero. Now ... with an electronic
    component, does that matter in any tangible sense? There are no moving
    parts and keyboards are very cheap. So it must be some kind of false sense
    of security that a 'zero' lifetime number brings. My 9155 phone works no
    differently now than when it was new. What percentage of life expectancy is
    239 hrs? You have no idea.

    --

    -Philip
     
  13. Philip

    Philip Guest

    Joseph wrote:
    > On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 05:26:44 GMT, "Philip"
    > <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote:
    >
    >> Joseph wrote:
    >>> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones" <earl_jonesx@usax.net>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i
    >>>> (CDMA)?
    >>>
    >>> What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a
    >>> used car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that
    >>> there's
    >>> not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be what
    >>> you are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a phone!
    >>>
    >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

    >>
    >>
    >> AS if ... it mattered. Is there a suggestion that lifetime hours
    >> would diminish your "new every two" credit toward a new phone? LOL
    >> Lemme see (looks for the lifetime number in his Audiovox 9155) how
    >> many hours I've logged. Hmmm ... the phone reports 239 hours in 22
    >> months. Whatever!

    >
    >
    > In other words you have no qualms ethically if you had the ability you
    > would roll back the lifetimer or roll back an odometer on a car, eh?
    > The "whatever" may be important to someone who doesn't particularly
    > want a unit that's been used to death. That's what the "whatever" is.
    > Or perhaps you don't think honesty is important?
    > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -



    That may be your inference but such is not reflected in what I posted.
    Since you wish to make this into a discussion of ethics, it is an academic
    falsehood to reset the lifetime timer to zero. Now ... with an electronic
    component, does that matter in any tangible sense? There are no moving
    parts and keyboards are very cheap. So it must be some kind of false sense
    of security that a 'zero' lifetime number brings. My 9155 phone works no
    differently now than when it was new. What percentage of life expectancy is
    239 hrs? You have no idea.

    --

    -Philip
     
  14. ModernMiko

    ModernMiko Guest

    "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    news:_RJ7d.1297$UP1.272@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > ModernMiko wrote:
    > > "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    > > news:eek:_q7d.673$UP1.195@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > >> Joseph wrote:
    > >>> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones" <earl_jonesx@usax.net>
    > >>> wrote:
    > >>>
    > >>>> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i
    > >>>> (CDMA)?
    > >>>
    > >>> What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a
    > >>> used car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that
    > >>> there's
    > >>> not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be what
    > >>> you are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a phone!
    > >>>
    > >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> AS if ... it mattered. Is there a suggestion that lifetime hours
    > >> would diminish your "new every two" credit toward a new phone? LOL
    > >> Lemme see (looks for the lifetime number in his Audiovox 9155) how
    > >> many hours I've logged. Hmmm ... the phone reports 239 hours in 22
    > >> months. Whatever! --
    > >>
    > >> -Philip

    > >
    > > No but it would make a phone look more appealing to a buyer on Ebay...

    >
    >
    > Think about the mortality curve. Lots of failures in the first 5% of a
    > device's life and then a sharp decrease. An "experienced" device has
    > survived the most failure prone period of its life expectancy.
    > --
    >
    > -Philip
    >


    I'd still like to make the decision whether I wanted to buy a heavily used
    phone or an almost new phone and that's taken away from me if someone lies
    by resetting the timer...

    --
    JennL
     
  15. ModernMiko

    ModernMiko Guest

    "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    news:_RJ7d.1297$UP1.272@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > ModernMiko wrote:
    > > "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    > > news:eek:_q7d.673$UP1.195@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > >> Joseph wrote:
    > >>> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones" <earl_jonesx@usax.net>
    > >>> wrote:
    > >>>
    > >>>> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i
    > >>>> (CDMA)?
    > >>>
    > >>> What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a
    > >>> used car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that
    > >>> there's
    > >>> not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be what
    > >>> you are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a phone!
    > >>>
    > >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> AS if ... it mattered. Is there a suggestion that lifetime hours
    > >> would diminish your "new every two" credit toward a new phone? LOL
    > >> Lemme see (looks for the lifetime number in his Audiovox 9155) how
    > >> many hours I've logged. Hmmm ... the phone reports 239 hours in 22
    > >> months. Whatever! --
    > >>
    > >> -Philip

    > >
    > > No but it would make a phone look more appealing to a buyer on Ebay...

    >
    >
    > Think about the mortality curve. Lots of failures in the first 5% of a
    > device's life and then a sharp decrease. An "experienced" device has
    > survived the most failure prone period of its life expectancy.
    > --
    >
    > -Philip
    >


    I'd still like to make the decision whether I wanted to buy a heavily used
    phone or an almost new phone and that's taken away from me if someone lies
    by resetting the timer...

    --
    JennL
     
  16. Philip

    Philip Guest

    Gregg Hill wrote:
    >
    > "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    > news:%RJ7d.1298$UP1.225@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    >> Joseph wrote:
    >>> On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 05:26:44 GMT, "Philip"
    >>> <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Joseph wrote:
    >>>>> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones" <earl_jonesx@usax.net>
    >>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i
    >>>>>> (CDMA)?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a
    >>>>> used car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that
    >>>>> there's
    >>>>> not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be what
    >>>>> you are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a phone!
    >>>>>
    >>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> AS if ... it mattered. Is there a suggestion that lifetime hours
    >>>> would diminish your "new every two" credit toward a new phone?
    >>>> LOL Lemme see (looks for the lifetime number in his Audiovox 9155)
    >>>> how
    >>>> many hours I've logged. Hmmm ... the phone reports 239 hours in 22
    >>>> months. Whatever!
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> In other words you have no qualms ethically if you had the ability
    >>> you would roll back the lifetimer or roll back an odometer on a
    >>> car, eh?
    >>> The "whatever" may be important to someone who doesn't particularly
    >>> want a unit that's been used to death. That's what the "whatever"
    >>> is. Or perhaps you don't think honesty is important?
    >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

    >>
    >>
    >> That may be your inference but such is not reflected in what I
    >> posted. Since you wish to make this into a discussion of ethics, it
    >> is an academic falsehood to reset the lifetime timer to zero. Now
    >> ... with an electronic component, does that matter in any tangible
    >> sense? There are no moving parts and keyboards are very cheap. So
    >> it must be some kind of false sense
    >> of security that a 'zero' lifetime number brings. My 9155 phone
    >> works no differently now than when it was new. What percentage of
    >> life expectancy is
    >> 239 hrs? You have no idea.
    >>
    >> --
    >> -Philip


    > We cannot assume one's motive for the request, but if it does NOT
    > matter "in any tangible sense", why would one want to do it in the
    > first place? The only reason I can think of would be to mis-lead the
    > intended recipient.
    >
    > Gregg Hill



    I agree on both points you make.
    --

    -Philip
     
  17. Philip

    Philip Guest

    Gregg Hill wrote:
    >
    > "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    > news:%RJ7d.1298$UP1.225@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    >> Joseph wrote:
    >>> On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 05:26:44 GMT, "Philip"
    >>> <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Joseph wrote:
    >>>>> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones" <earl_jonesx@usax.net>
    >>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i
    >>>>>> (CDMA)?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a
    >>>>> used car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that
    >>>>> there's
    >>>>> not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be what
    >>>>> you are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a phone!
    >>>>>
    >>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> AS if ... it mattered. Is there a suggestion that lifetime hours
    >>>> would diminish your "new every two" credit toward a new phone?
    >>>> LOL Lemme see (looks for the lifetime number in his Audiovox 9155)
    >>>> how
    >>>> many hours I've logged. Hmmm ... the phone reports 239 hours in 22
    >>>> months. Whatever!
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> In other words you have no qualms ethically if you had the ability
    >>> you would roll back the lifetimer or roll back an odometer on a
    >>> car, eh?
    >>> The "whatever" may be important to someone who doesn't particularly
    >>> want a unit that's been used to death. That's what the "whatever"
    >>> is. Or perhaps you don't think honesty is important?
    >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

    >>
    >>
    >> That may be your inference but such is not reflected in what I
    >> posted. Since you wish to make this into a discussion of ethics, it
    >> is an academic falsehood to reset the lifetime timer to zero. Now
    >> ... with an electronic component, does that matter in any tangible
    >> sense? There are no moving parts and keyboards are very cheap. So
    >> it must be some kind of false sense
    >> of security that a 'zero' lifetime number brings. My 9155 phone
    >> works no differently now than when it was new. What percentage of
    >> life expectancy is
    >> 239 hrs? You have no idea.
    >>
    >> --
    >> -Philip


    > We cannot assume one's motive for the request, but if it does NOT
    > matter "in any tangible sense", why would one want to do it in the
    > first place? The only reason I can think of would be to mis-lead the
    > intended recipient.
    >
    > Gregg Hill



    I agree on both points you make.
    --

    -Philip
     
  18. Philip

    Philip Guest

    ModernMiko wrote:
    > "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    > news:_RJ7d.1297$UP1.272@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    >> ModernMiko wrote:
    >>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    >>> news:eek:_q7d.673$UP1.195@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    >>>> Joseph wrote:
    >>>>> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones" <earl_jonesx@usax.net>
    >>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i
    >>>>>> (CDMA)?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a
    >>>>> used car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that
    >>>>> there's
    >>>>> not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be what
    >>>>> you are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a phone!
    >>>>>
    >>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> AS if ... it mattered. Is there a suggestion that lifetime hours
    >>>> would diminish your "new every two" credit toward a new phone?
    >>>> LOL Lemme see (looks for the lifetime number in his Audiovox 9155)
    >>>> how many hours I've logged. Hmmm ... the phone reports 239 hours
    >>>> in 22 months. Whatever! --
    >>>>
    >>>> -Philip
    >>>
    >>> No but it would make a phone look more appealing to a buyer on
    >>> Ebay...

    >>
    >>
    >> Think about the mortality curve. Lots of failures in the first 5%
    >> of a device's life and then a sharp decrease. An "experienced"
    >> device has survived the most failure prone period of its life
    >> expectancy. --
    >>
    >> -Philip
    >>

    >
    > I'd still like to make the decision whether I wanted to buy a heavily
    > used phone or an almost new phone and that's taken away from me if
    > someone lies by resetting the timer...



    So what? I've made the argument that a phone with some hours on it has
    survived the most failure prone portion of any device's life. I think the
    average person would be stunned if the true lifespan of many solid state
    devices were known to them. What constitutes a "heavily used phone?" In my
    case, what percentage of my phone's life is 239 hrs? You have no idea. I
    also think there is no disagreement here that resetting hour meter on any
    device is a deceptive practice.
    --

    -Philip
     
  19. Philip

    Philip Guest

    ModernMiko wrote:
    > "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    > news:_RJ7d.1297$UP1.272@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    >> ModernMiko wrote:
    >>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    >>> news:eek:_q7d.673$UP1.195@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    >>>> Joseph wrote:
    >>>>> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones" <earl_jonesx@usax.net>
    >>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i
    >>>>>> (CDMA)?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a
    >>>>> used car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that
    >>>>> there's
    >>>>> not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be what
    >>>>> you are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a phone!
    >>>>>
    >>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> AS if ... it mattered. Is there a suggestion that lifetime hours
    >>>> would diminish your "new every two" credit toward a new phone?
    >>>> LOL Lemme see (looks for the lifetime number in his Audiovox 9155)
    >>>> how many hours I've logged. Hmmm ... the phone reports 239 hours
    >>>> in 22 months. Whatever! --
    >>>>
    >>>> -Philip
    >>>
    >>> No but it would make a phone look more appealing to a buyer on
    >>> Ebay...

    >>
    >>
    >> Think about the mortality curve. Lots of failures in the first 5%
    >> of a device's life and then a sharp decrease. An "experienced"
    >> device has survived the most failure prone period of its life
    >> expectancy. --
    >>
    >> -Philip
    >>

    >
    > I'd still like to make the decision whether I wanted to buy a heavily
    > used phone or an almost new phone and that's taken away from me if
    > someone lies by resetting the timer...



    So what? I've made the argument that a phone with some hours on it has
    survived the most failure prone portion of any device's life. I think the
    average person would be stunned if the true lifespan of many solid state
    devices were known to them. What constitutes a "heavily used phone?" In my
    case, what percentage of my phone's life is 239 hrs? You have no idea. I
    also think there is no disagreement here that resetting hour meter on any
    device is a deceptive practice.
    --

    -Philip
     
  20. ModernMiko

    ModernMiko Guest

    "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    news:sGM7d.1408$UP1.228@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > ModernMiko wrote:
    > > "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    > > news:_RJ7d.1297$UP1.272@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > >> ModernMiko wrote:
    > >>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    > >>> news:eek:_q7d.673$UP1.195@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > >>>> Joseph wrote:
    > >>>>> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones" <earl_jonesx@usax.net>
    > >>>>> wrote:
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i
    > >>>>>> (CDMA)?
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a
    > >>>>> used car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that
    > >>>>> there's
    > >>>>> not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be what
    > >>>>> you are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a phone!
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>> AS if ... it mattered. Is there a suggestion that lifetime hours
    > >>>> would diminish your "new every two" credit toward a new phone?
    > >>>> LOL Lemme see (looks for the lifetime number in his Audiovox 9155)
    > >>>> how many hours I've logged. Hmmm ... the phone reports 239 hours
    > >>>> in 22 months. Whatever! --
    > >>>>
    > >>>> -Philip
    > >>>
    > >>> No but it would make a phone look more appealing to a buyer on
    > >>> Ebay...
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> Think about the mortality curve. Lots of failures in the first 5%
    > >> of a device's life and then a sharp decrease. An "experienced"
    > >> device has survived the most failure prone period of its life
    > >> expectancy. --
    > >>
    > >> -Philip
    > >>

    > >
    > > I'd still like to make the decision whether I wanted to buy a heavily
    > > used phone or an almost new phone and that's taken away from me if
    > > someone lies by resetting the timer...

    >
    >
    > So what? I've made the argument that a phone with some hours on it has
    > survived the most failure prone portion of any device's life. I think

    the
    > average person would be stunned if the true lifespan of many solid state
    > devices were known to them. What constitutes a "heavily used phone?" In

    my
    > case, what percentage of my phone's life is 239 hrs? You have no idea.

    I
    > also think there is no disagreement here that resetting hour meter on any
    > device is a deceptive practice.
    > --
    >
    > -Philip


    I never commented on the life expectancy or any of that. I just commented on
    the deceptive resetting of which you now say you agree with.

    --
    JennL
     

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