"how to post to usenet correctly"

[...newsgroups trimmed substantially...]

Richard Ness writes:

> In the business world, if you insisted on continually replying to
> messages in-line you would be rebuffed, chastised and told to cease
> immediately. [...] The ONLY acceptable way in business e-mail is
> replying to the previous message on TOP. There is NO other acceptable
> way, period. There may be occasional exceptions,

We may work in different business worlds, but in mine (medical research)
responding in-line is certainly tolerated. That said, I more often reply
at the top in e-mail. However, there's a fundamental difference between
e-mail and Usenet that nobody has mentioned. When replying to e-mail
I know the recipient will have read the original to which I'm replying.
On Usenet the audience is vastly larger, and many of them may come upon
a thread midway through.

Regardless, it's much easier to make sense of a post if the quoted
material is trimmed so that only the part being addressed remains.

--
Theodore Heise <theo@heise.nu> Bloomington, IN, USA

 

On 2004-04-19, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> It just sucks that you can't control everyone, everywhere, doesn't it?

WTF are you on about, exactly? Asking someone to conform to netetiquette
is now 'controlling' someone is it?

--
chris

 

On 2004-04-19, IMHO <IMHO@net.net> wrote:
> When going thru a lot of replies to a message it makes it a lot easier to
> see what each person has written if the last reply is top posted.

Argh!! NO IT FUCKING DOESN'T ! Idiot.

> My News
> program and E-mail program always open the message at the top which requires
> me to scroll thru all the previous postings to get to the current reply.

So use a real e-mail/usenet client then! Get one that can mute quoted text
if it bothers you so much!

> This happens with Outlook, Outlook Express
<snip>

Quelle Surprise!

--
chris

 

In article <1082381533.35355.0@demeter.uk.clara.net>,
ahxcjb@REMOVEntlworld.com wrote:

> On 2004-04-19, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> > It just sucks that you can't control everyone, everywhere, doesn't it?
>
> WTF are you on about, exactly? Asking someone to conform to netetiquette
> is now 'controlling' someone is it?

You're not just asking, you're demanding it, almost hysterically, lacing
your messages with profanity and personal attacks on the people who
disagree with you.

It's like a huge neon sign blinking on and off that screams "control
issues".

 

I stated that there are exceptions......
These exceptions are not only tolerated, but encouraged in certain
circumstances. Key here is the "exception", not the (everyday) norm.
Also, the 'norm' may be different for specific applications, etc.

Example: In the Internet business, sometimes it's better to reply in-line
when dealing with very technical information and a point by point approach
is the best method to convey the information error free. The right 'tool' for the job.
So, in-line is best, in these certain (isolated) circumstances.

But, what is the 'norm'.....This is my crux of my argument with 'the twit'.

In regular e-mail correspondence, (in most ALL businesses), the reply DOES
always go on top. My point again was that this is the acceptable and normal way to do it.
This is simple fact. Mr. Twit can argue this till he is blue in the face, but this is the way
it is done in normal business circles, period. Just because twit boy thinks otherwise,
doesn't change a damn thing. MANY years of business via e-mailing and >99% of
the messages are reply on top. That's an OVERWHELMING statistical norm, in my book.
Good enough for me and everyone I do business with..... many of which are very well
known names in the Internet community.

Yet, we are ALL wrong and twitboy is ALWAYS right??? BAH!!!!

And absolutely yes, e-mail and Usenet are completely different worlds. That
is why I think it's so absurd that the afore mentioned "twit" would argue repeatedly
that it's normal to always use the same in-line method of replying to e-mail
as he would a Usenet post. That just isn't the way it's done in the real business world.
Maybe in his little make believe, fantasy world....

Yes, on Usenet, top posting is frowned upon. Which I don't personally agree with. But, I
don't take a holier than thou attitude with anyone who doesn't do it MY way and I thing that people
who do, are sanctimonious assholes. Like a certain individual..... Thus, I begged to differ...

I also absolutely agree that trimming is necessary in many circumstances. I not
only agree, I do it regularly. No argument from me whatsoever. Depends entirely on the
circumstance.

"That's my opinion, I may be wrong....."
(Dennis Miller)



"Theodore Heise" <theo@heise.nu> wrote in message news:200403182342.PNR03155@heise.nu...
>
> [...newsgroups trimmed substantially...]
>
> Richard Ness writes:
>
> > In the business world, if you insisted on continually replying to
> > messages in-line you would be rebuffed, chastised and told to cease
> > immediately. [...] The ONLY acceptable way in business e-mail is
> > replying to the previous message on TOP. There is NO other acceptable
> > way, period. There may be occasional exceptions,
>
> We may work in different business worlds, but in mine (medical research)
> responding in-line is certainly tolerated. That said, I more often reply
> at the top in e-mail. However, there's a fundamental difference between
> e-mail and Usenet that nobody has mentioned. When replying to e-mail
> I know the recipient will have read the original to which I'm replying.
> On Usenet the audience is vastly larger, and many of them may come upon
> a thread midway through.
>
> Regardless, it's much easier to make sense of a post if the quoted
> material is trimmed so that only the part being addressed remains.
>
> --
> Theodore Heise <theo@heise.nu> Bloomington, IN, USA

 

"chris" <see@reply.to.field> wrote in message
news:1082381641.35355.1@demeter.uk.clara.net...
> On 2004-04-19, IMHO <IMHO@net.net> wrote:
> > When going thru a lot of replies to a message it makes it a lot easier
to
> > see what each person has written if the last reply is top posted.
> Argh!! NO IT FUCKING DOESN'T ! Idiot.
> > My News
> > program and E-mail program always open the message at the top which
requires
> > me to scroll thru all the previous postings to get to the current reply.
> So use a real e-mail/usenet client then! Get one that can mute quoted
text
> if it bothers you so much!
> > This happens with Outlook, Outlook Express
> <snip>
> Quelle Surprise!
> --
> chris

Chris,
You responded to some of my post stating that I was an idiot.
You ignored my mention of "Lotus Notes" which is a application used by many
large multinational corporations - including my employer.
What is a "real e-mail/usenet client"?
What Programs would be better?
Which programs do you use?
Give me some specific information.


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"chris" <see@reply.to.field> wrote in message
news:1082381641.35355.1@demeter.uk.clara.net...
> On 2004-04-19, IMHO <IMHO@net.net> wrote:
> <snip>
> Quelle Surprise!
> --
> chris

What is "Quelle"?

Not in my printed or online dictionaries.
Or in my Spell Checker!


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Please ignore the troll. Trying to get a reasonable response is a waste
of time. Just put Chris in your kill list and send his bile straight to the
trash.



"IMHO" <imho@net.net> wrote in message news:Qg0hc.2837$pg.735@okepread05...
> "chris" <see@reply.to.field> wrote in message
> news:1082381641.35355.1@demeter.uk.clara.net...
> > On 2004-04-19, IMHO <IMHO@net.net> wrote:
> > > When going thru a lot of replies to a message it makes it a lot easier
> to
> > > see what each person has written if the last reply is top posted.
> > Argh!! NO IT FUCKING DOESN'T ! Idiot.
> > > My News
> > > program and E-mail program always open the message at the top which
> requires
> > > me to scroll thru all the previous postings to get to the current
reply.
> > So use a real e-mail/usenet client then! Get one that can mute quoted
> text
> > if it bothers you so much!
> > > This happens with Outlook, Outlook Express
> > <snip>
> > Quelle Surprise!
> > --
> > chris
>
> Chris,
> You responded to some of my post stating that I was an idiot.
> You ignored my mention of "Lotus Notes" which is a application used by
many
> large multinational corporations - including my employer.
> What is a "real e-mail/usenet client"?
> What Programs would be better?
> Which programs do you use?
> Give me some specific information.
>
>
> ---
> This E-Mail Is Virus Free.
> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 4/15/2004
>
>

 

Don't waste your time with Chris. Quelle is a French word meaning What?

"IMHO" <imho@net.net> wrote in message news:261hc.2840$pg.1550@okepread05...
> "chris" <see@reply.to.field> wrote in message
> news:1082381641.35355.1@demeter.uk.clara.net...
> > On 2004-04-19, IMHO <IMHO@net.net> wrote:
> > <snip>
> > Quelle Surprise!
> > --
> > chris
>
> What is "Quelle"?
>
> Not in my printed or online dictionaries.
> Or in my Spell Checker!
>
>
> ---
> This E-Mail Is Virus Free.
> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 4/15/2004
>
>

 

"IMHO" <IMHO@net.net> wrote in message
news:SlHgc.2655$pg.705@okepread05...
> When going thru a lot of replies to a message it makes it a lot easier
to
> see what each person has written if the last reply is top posted. My
News
> program and E-mail program always open the message at the top which
requires
> me to scroll thru all the previous postings to get to the current
reply.
> This happens with Outlook, Outlook Express & Lotus Notes. Is there
some
> way to get messages to open at the bottom?

If you snip sensibly, cutting out the older messages which by now may
not have much relevance (as in this case), and even deleting parts of
the immediately preceding message if they aren't relevant to your
response) it is very easy to bottom post, and much easier for everyone
else to see what is going on.

I agree it can be difficult when everyone keeps the original (and by now
forgotten) original post at the top and continue to add theirs at the
bottom.

--
Slartibartfast
To reply by email, remove the FJORDS from my address

 

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:53:34 -0500 and in article <Qg0hc.2837$pg.735
@okepread05>, IMHO said...
: "chris" <see@reply.to.field> wrote in message
: news:1082381641.35355.1@demeter.uk.clara.net...
: > On 2004-04-19, IMHO <IMHO@net.net> wrote:
: > > When going thru a lot of replies to a message it makes it a lot easier
: to
: > > see what each person has written if the last reply is top posted.
: > Argh!! NO IT FUCKING DOESN'T ! Idiot.
: > > My News
: > > program and E-mail program always open the message at the top which
: requires
: > > me to scroll thru all the previous postings to get to the current reply.
: > So use a real e-mail/usenet client then! Get one that can mute quoted
: text
: > if it bothers you so much!
: > > This happens with Outlook, Outlook Express
: > <snip>
: > Quelle Surprise!
: > --
: > chris
:
: Chris,
: You responded to some of my post stating that I was an idiot.
: You ignored my mention of "Lotus Notes" which is a application used by many
: large multinational corporations - including my employer.

Lotus Notes is an excellent program. To my knowledge, it works like
Agent - it puts the cursor at the top but expects you to post beneath
the text, ala Agent.

: What is a "real e-mail/usenet client"?

slrn, tin, gravity, agent, pine, The Bat, Pegasus, Eudora, Mutt, plus
numerous others!

: What Programs would be better?

Depends your competency level. Anything bar OE/Outlook.

: Which programs do you use?

Linux - Mutt & slrn.
Windows - The Bat & Gravity
--
chris

 

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:53:34 -0500 and in article <Qg0hc.2837$pg.735
@okepread05>, IMHO said...
: "chris" <see@reply.to.field> wrote in message
: news:1082381641.35355.1@demeter.uk.clara.net...
: > On 2004-04-19, IMHO <IMHO@net.net> wrote:
: > > When going thru a lot of replies to a message it makes it a lot easier
: to
: > > see what each person has written if the last reply is top posted.
: > Argh!! NO IT FUCKING DOESN'T ! Idiot.
: > > My News
: > > program and E-mail program always open the message at the top which
: requires
: > > me to scroll thru all the previous postings to get to the current reply.
: > So use a real e-mail/usenet client then! Get one that can mute quoted
: text
: > if it bothers you so much!
: > > This happens with Outlook, Outlook Express
: > <snip>
: > Quelle Surprise!
: > --
: > chris
:
: Chris,
: You responded to some of my post stating that I was an idiot.
: You ignored my mention of "Lotus Notes" which is a application used by many
: large multinational corporations - including my employer.

Lotus Notes is an excellent program. To my knowledge, it works like
Agent - it puts the cursor at the top but expects you to post beneath
the text, ala Agent.

: What is a "real e-mail/usenet client"?

slrn, tin, gravity, agent, pine, The Bat, Pegasus, Eudora, Mutt, plus
numerous others!

: What Programs would be better?

Depends your competency level. Anything bar OE/Outlook.

: Which programs do you use?

Linux - Mutt & slrn.
Windows - The Bat & Gravity
--
chris

 

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:53:34 -0500 and in article <Qg0hc.2837$pg.735
@okepread05>, IMHO said...
: "chris" <see@reply.to.field> wrote in message
: news:1082381641.35355.1@demeter.uk.clara.net...
: > On 2004-04-19, IMHO <IMHO@net.net> wrote:
: > > When going thru a lot of replies to a message it makes it a lot easier
: to
: > > see what each person has written if the last reply is top posted.
: > Argh!! NO IT FUCKING DOESN'T ! Idiot.
: > > My News
: > > program and E-mail program always open the message at the top which
: requires
: > > me to scroll thru all the previous postings to get to the current reply.
: > So use a real e-mail/usenet client then! Get one that can mute quoted
: text
: > if it bothers you so much!
: > > This happens with Outlook, Outlook Express
: > <snip>
: > Quelle Surprise!
: > --
: > chris
:
: Chris,
: You responded to some of my post stating that I was an idiot.
: You ignored my mention of "Lotus Notes" which is a application used by many
: large multinational corporations - including my employer.

Lotus Notes is an excellent program. To my knowledge, it works like
Agent - it puts the cursor at the top but expects you to post beneath
the text, ala Agent.

: What is a "real e-mail/usenet client"?

slrn, tin, gravity, agent, pine, The Bat, Pegasus, Eudora, Mutt, plus
numerous others!

: What Programs would be better?

Depends your competency level. Anything bar OE/Outlook.

: Which programs do you use?

Linux - Mutt & slrn.
Windows - The Bat & Gravity
--
chris

 

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:53:34 -0500 and in article <Qg0hc.2837$pg.735
@okepread05>, IMHO said...
: "chris" <see@reply.to.field> wrote in message
: news:1082381641.35355.1@demeter.uk.clara.net...
: > On 2004-04-19, IMHO <IMHO@net.net> wrote:
: > > When going thru a lot of replies to a message it makes it a lot easier
: to
: > > see what each person has written if the last reply is top posted.
: > Argh!! NO IT FUCKING DOESN'T ! Idiot.
: > > My News
: > > program and E-mail program always open the message at the top which
: requires
: > > me to scroll thru all the previous postings to get to the current reply.
: > So use a real e-mail/usenet client then! Get one that can mute quoted
: text
: > if it bothers you so much!
: > > This happens with Outlook, Outlook Express
: > <snip>
: > Quelle Surprise!
: > --
: > chris
:
: Chris,
: You responded to some of my post stating that I was an idiot.
: You ignored my mention of "Lotus Notes" which is a application used by many
: large multinational corporations - including my employer.

Lotus Notes is an excellent program. To my knowledge, it works like
Agent - it puts the cursor at the top but expects you to post beneath
the text, ala Agent.

: What is a "real e-mail/usenet client"?

slrn, tin, gravity, agent, pine, The Bat, Pegasus, Eudora, Mutt, plus
numerous others!

: What Programs would be better?

Depends your competency level. Anything bar OE/Outlook.

: Which programs do you use?

Linux - Mutt & slrn.
Windows - The Bat & Gravity
--
chris

 

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:50:20 -0500 and in article <261hc.2840$pg.1550
@okepread05>, IMHO said...
: "chris" <see@reply.to.field> wrote in message
: news:1082381641.35355.1@demeter.uk.clara.net...
: > On 2004-04-19, IMHO <IMHO@net.net> wrote:
: > <snip>
: > Quelle Surprise!
: > --
: > chris
:
: What is "Quelle"?
:
: Not in my printed or online dictionaries.
: Or in my Spell Checker!

ffs. It's *french* you dip.

--
chris

 

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:50:20 -0500 and in article <261hc.2840$pg.1550
@okepread05>, IMHO said...
: "chris" <see@reply.to.field> wrote in message
: news:1082381641.35355.1@demeter.uk.clara.net...
: > On 2004-04-19, IMHO <IMHO@net.net> wrote:
: > <snip>
: > Quelle Surprise!
: > --
: > chris
:
: What is "Quelle"?
:
: Not in my printed or online dictionaries.
: Or in my Spell Checker!

ffs. It's *french* you dip.

--
chris

 

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:50:20 -0500 and in article <261hc.2840$pg.1550
@okepread05>, IMHO said...
: "chris" <see@reply.to.field> wrote in message
: news:1082381641.35355.1@demeter.uk.clara.net...
: > On 2004-04-19, IMHO <IMHO@net.net> wrote:
: > <snip>
: > Quelle Surprise!
: > --
: > chris
:
: What is "Quelle"?
:
: Not in my printed or online dictionaries.
: Or in my Spell Checker!

ffs. It's *french* you dip.

--
chris

 

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:50:20 -0500 and in article <261hc.2840$pg.1550
@okepread05>, IMHO said...
: "chris" <see@reply.to.field> wrote in message
: news:1082381641.35355.1@demeter.uk.clara.net...
: > On 2004-04-19, IMHO <IMHO@net.net> wrote:
: > <snip>
: > Quelle Surprise!
: > --
: > chris
:
: What is "Quelle"?
:
: Not in my printed or online dictionaries.
: Or in my Spell Checker!

ffs. It's *french* you dip.

--
chris

 

"IMHO" <imho@net.net> wrote in message news:<Qg0hc.2837$pg.735@okepread05>...

[assorted ramblings and rantings deleted]

> Which programs do you use?
>

Rather than continue sniping, how about some useful information?

There is an add-on for Outlook and Outlook Express called Quotefix
that is great and I've used for a while on both applications.

Outlook Express
http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

Outlook
http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/

Enjoy!

 

"IMHO" <imho@net.net> wrote in message news:<Qg0hc.2837$pg.735@okepread05>...

[assorted ramblings and rantings deleted]

> Which programs do you use?
>

Rather than continue sniping, how about some useful information?

There is an add-on for Outlook and Outlook Express called Quotefix
that is great and I've used for a while on both applications.

Outlook Express
http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

Outlook
http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/

Enjoy!