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In Network be carefull

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Jeff, Feb 2, 2004.

  1. V60s

    V60s Guest

    On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:01:55 -0600, Steven J Sobol
    <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:
    >Anyone know if this In-Network deal is just a promotion?


    I have read on Howard Forums that the IN-Network promotion will not be
    offered after either May 2 or May 9 (differing opinions about the
    exact date). Those who take it before that date should be able to
    keep it as long as they do not change plans.

    This is only gossip. I don't work for Verizon.



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  2. plane

    plane Guest

    Stanley Cline <sc1-news@roamer1.org> wrote in message news:<slrnc1tutc.58o.sc1-news@panix2.panix.com>...
    > In article <101tj8fdcolhc06@corp.supernews.com>, 1990 wrote:
    >
    > > I called and was told that eventhough I had just signed up last week for the
    > > America 2400 plan with 1000 MtM minutes, it would cost an addtional $10/mth.

    >
    > AIUI, the $10/mo extra is *ONLY* for FamilyShare plans (and on FS plans is
    > per ACCOUNT, not per phone.)
    >
    > -SC


    I may not understand, but couldn't you just pick up one of the new
    contacts, to replace the week old one---either way, it seems like a
    pretty good deal, doesn;t it?

    By the way have you picked up anything lately about Verizon roaming in
    Ky??

    later
  3. Reignman

    Reignman Guest

    all the IN NETWORK plan is unlimited mobile to mobile on the
    VerizonWireless Network.. So do you go over the 1000 mtm on you plan.. If
    you so then the IN NETWORK plan for you,,If not then stay with what you
    have.. do you really know that many people that has verizon service???



    "plane" <plane@usa.com> wrote in message
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    > Stanley Cline <sc1-news@roamer1.org> wrote in message

    news:<slrnc1tutc.58o.sc1-news@panix2.panix.com>...
    > > In article <101tj8fdcolhc06@corp.supernews.com>, 1990 wrote:
    > >
    > > > I called and was told that eventhough I had just signed up last week

    for the
    > > > America 2400 plan with 1000 MtM minutes, it would cost an addtional

    $10/mth.
    > >
    > > AIUI, the $10/mo extra is *ONLY* for FamilyShare plans (and on FS plans

    is
    > > per ACCOUNT, not per phone.)
    > >
    > > -SC

    >
    > I may not understand, but couldn't you just pick up one of the new
    > contacts, to replace the week old one---either way, it seems like a
    > pretty good deal, doesn;t it?
    >
    > By the way have you picked up anything lately about Verizon roaming in
    > Ky??
    >
    > later



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  4. Mike

    Mike Guest

    On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 00:24:58 GMT, "Reignman" <AskMe@Imaygiveto.you>
    wrote:

    >all the IN NETWORK plan is unlimited mobile to mobile on the
    >VerizonWireless Network.. So do you go over the 1000 mtm on you plan.. If
    >you so then the IN NETWORK plan for you,,If not then stay with what you
    >have.. do you really know that many people that has verizon service???


    I haven't used more than 10 minutes a month of M2M since I've had my
    current account, but I went ahead and got the unlimited In-Network
    promo.

    Reasons:

    1) My life could change, and someone I know could switch to VZW... so
    I'd have unlimited calling to them.
    2) Unlimited is better than 1000.
    3) It cost me nothing aside from moving my contract date 3 months into
    the future.
    4) I think it's generally a good thing to grab "unlimited" anything
    attached to something like phone service. Even though I don't use
    more than, say, 2000 minutes a month of night/weekend service, I'd
    rather have the bucket be "unlimited" than a finite number.

    Mike
  5. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 12:27:46 GMT, Michael Kincaid
    <kz7yy3z02@sneakemail.com> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >Why do they let you be eligible in 10 months if you sign a 1-year
    >agreement and 22 months if a 2-year agreement?


    Because if you get a new phone you get a new contract.

    If they let you run your contract out you could drop service any time
    you wanted.
  6. i730/i95cl\

    i730/i95cl\ Guest

  7. On 2004-02-08 17:52:24 -0800, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.org> said:

    > Because if you get a new phone you get a new contract.
    >
    > If they let you run your contract out you could drop service any time
    > you wanted.


    My question was more as to why it should be so much longer for the
    2-year contract, creating a huge disincentive to sign a 2-year. I have
    a vague recollection that it was 10 months for everybody, once upon a
    time long ago in a galaxy far far away?
  8. > there is one down side to in network calling it has less coverage than
    > with 1000mtm with ac plan
    >
    > anytime min has one map
    >
    > in-network use enhanced coverage map with less coverage than the 1000mtm
    > plan using the whole ac coverage map


    The 1000 mtm promotion only applied to calls placed while on Verizon's own
    network (which is the enhanced services network). There is no difference in
    the coverage area between In-Network and m2m.

    -Eric
  9. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 08:05:57 GMT, Michael Kincaid
    <kz7yy3z02@sneakemail.com> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >On 2004-02-08 17:52:24 -0800, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.org> said:


    >> Because if you get a new phone you get a new contract.


    >> If they let you run your contract out you could drop service any time
    >> you wanted.


    >My question was more as to why it should be so much longer for the
    >2-year contract, creating a huge disincentive to sign a 2-year. I have
    >a vague recollection that it was 10 months for everybody, once upon a
    >time long ago in a galaxy far far away?


    No idea, since I usually keep my phone way past my contract. In fact,
    I usually don't go for a contract unless there's a phone I want.
  10. SmartyPants

    SmartyPants Guest

    > >My question was more as to why it should be so much longer for the 2-year
    contract, creating a huge disincentive to sign a 2-year.

    Answer: $$$. If you sign a one year contract instead of two, new phones
    automatically cost about $50 more. If you sign a two year contract instead
    of one, you quaify for the "Free Every 2" deal. which is a bonus of $100
    towards your next phone. So, if you know you will not want to change plans
    or phone within 22 months, you will pocket an extra $150. The human at the
    Verizon store told me this today.
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  11. SmartyPants

    SmartyPants Guest

    I have my own warning: I was also told by the Verizon person that if I
    change my plan to the new unlimited family plan, the secondary phone uses up
    peak minutes if he speaks to another Verizon cell phone if the other is not
    his own primary phone. It is unlimited if he speaks to his own primary
    phone. At present, the secondary has 250 M2M minutes to use with outside
    Verizon cell phones and the primary has 1000. It does not make sense to
    change to get unlimited In Network in every case. I was going to but now I
    probably will not. I do not want to spend the extra $10 so that my
    secondary gets ulimited M2M, er, In Network, too. Right now we do fine with
    1000 + 250. If I decide to change phones I may reconsider.
  12. David L

    David L Guest

    V60s <v60s@no.ring> wrote in message news:<5uq720dfl8fe52ichmsnbphb9nqabhcvii@4ax.com>...
    > On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:01:55 -0600, Steven J Sobol
    > <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:
    > >Anyone know if this In-Network deal is just a promotion?

    >
    > I have read on Howard Forums that the IN-Network promotion will not be
    > offered after either May 2 or May 9 (differing opinions about the
    > exact date). Those who take it before that date should be able to
    > keep it as long as they do not change plans.
    >
    > This is only gossip. I don't work for Verizon.


    Verizon seems to be stablizing and expanding their customer base with
    this promo. ATT is also offering some kind of "in network" plan too.
    My question, isn't such a great unlimited promo and 2year contract
    extension's purpose, to tie up potential churners from leaving for
    another competitive offer or soon to be offered plan? Is this promo an
    offense move against some kind of rival plan...maybe an ATT 7PM nights
    (hearsay).

    -
    David
  13. Sam

    Sam Guest

    On 9 Feb 2004 22:26:11 -0800, davidlind@my-deja.com (David L) wrote:
    >Verizon seems to be stablizing and expanding their customer base with
    >this promo. ATT is also offering some kind of "in network" plan too.
    >My question, isn't such a great unlimited promo and 2year contract
    >extension's purpose, to tie up potential churners from leaving for
    >another competitive offer or soon to be offered plan? Is this promo an
    >offense move against some kind of rival plan...maybe an ATT 7PM nights
    >(hearsay).


    It may be a defensive strategy in terms of new promotions from other
    carriers, but it would not be related to other offers that Verizon
    might bring out later. AFIK, Verizon allows customers to change their
    plans (usually with extended contracts) anytime to take advantage of
    new offers or promos. And changing contracts does not affect the New
    NE2 phone discounts, which are always timed based on when the last
    phone was purchased and not when the most recent contract was signed.

    I think you got it right when you said Verizon is just stabilizing and
    expanding it customer base. Most people who have 1000 M2M don't use
    anywhere near that amount (if you can believe what you read here and
    on other forums), so the new IN-Network offer will probably have
    little or no effects on VZW's network resources/capacity but it will
    get a lot of contract extensions and perhaps some new customers. For
    some current and new customers, IN is a great deal. For others
    (especially current customers considering changing carriers) it is
    not, but they don't have to take it.
  14. Zac

    Zac Guest

    Just a word of warning:

    Verizon's website claims that with their IN-Network plan, you can
    "Call any Verizon Wireless customer anytime, anywhere, absolutely free
    when you call from the National IN-Network Coverage Area". THIS IS
    SIMPLY NOT TRUE.

    Areas of Verizon's network are called their "Extended Network". While
    on that network, you aren't "roaming", but you're not on the true
    Verizon In-Network. You can't call another Verizon customer for free
    while you're on that network.

    Now it's true, the website says you have to call FROM the In-Network
    coverage area, so it makes sense that it wouldn't be free In-Network
    calling if you were calling FROM the Extended Network.

    THE PROBLEM is that the website states that if YOU are on the
    in-Network coverage area, that you can then call "ANY Verizon Wireless
    customer...absolutely free". But this is not true if the Verizon
    customer you're calling happens to be on the Extended Network. BOTH
    your phone and their phone will use Anytime minutes (of which you'll
    have few on most plans).

    Verizon has good service, and I would still recommend them to anyone
    who doesn't end up on the Extended Network. Just be careful to avoid
    this peice of false advertising.



    Sam <sgesper@mail.not> wrote in message news:<8pnh20112ojtlqcstr5cgsu2fga131tg6r@4ax.com>...
    > On 9 Feb 2004 22:26:11 -0800, davidlind@my-deja.com (David L) wrote:
    > >Verizon seems to be stablizing and expanding their customer base with
    > >this promo. ATT is also offering some kind of "in network" plan too.
    > >My question, isn't such a great unlimited promo and 2year contract
    > >extension's purpose, to tie up potential churners from leaving for
    > >another competitive offer or soon to be offered plan? Is this promo an
    > >offense move against some kind of rival plan...maybe an ATT 7PM nights
    > >(hearsay).

    >
    > It may be a defensive strategy in terms of new promotions from other
    > carriers, but it would not be related to other offers that Verizon
    > might bring out later. AFIK, Verizon allows customers to change their
    > plans (usually with extended contracts) anytime to take advantage of
    > new offers or promos. And changing contracts does not affect the New
    > NE2 phone discounts, which are always timed based on when the last
    > phone was purchased and not when the most recent contract was signed.
    >
    > I think you got it right when you said Verizon is just stabilizing and
    > expanding it customer base. Most people who have 1000 M2M don't use
    > anywhere near that amount (if you can believe what you read here and
    > on other forums), so the new IN-Network offer will probably have
    > little or no effects on VZW's network resources/capacity but it will
    > get a lot of contract extensions and perhaps some new customers. For
    > some current and new customers, IN is a great deal. For others
    > (especially current customers considering changing carriers) it is
    > not, but they don't have to take it.
  15. Mike

    Mike Guest

    On 11 Feb 2004 06:16:30 -0800, zachs@cuesoft.com (Zac) wrote:

    >THE PROBLEM is that the website states that if YOU are on the
    >in-Network coverage area, that you can then call "ANY Verizon Wireless
    >customer...absolutely free". But this is not true if the Verizon
    >customer you're calling happens to be on the Extended Network. BOTH
    >your phone and their phone will use Anytime minutes (of which you'll
    >have few on most plans).


    It's my understanding - which could be wrong - that if you're on the
    VZW network, and the other caller's recognized by caller ID, you'll be
    using In-Network time...no matter if they're on the VZW network or
    Extended Network. If they're in Extended Network, THEY will (likely)
    use anytime minutes.

    The devil's in the details, and I don't know if A) any of VZW's
    extended network partners don't pass caller ID info through or B) if
    it recognizes it if YOU dial the other party (which I believe it
    should, VZW should know its own exchanges).

    Mike
  16. CharlesH

    CharlesH Guest

    In article <c1mk2013op8k9j42nb6q53l6j0lm6gppcb@4ax.com>,
    Mike <inundated9@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >On 11 Feb 2004 06:16:30 -0800, zachs@cuesoft.com (Zac) wrote:
    >
    >>THE PROBLEM is that the website states that if YOU are on the
    >>in-Network coverage area, that you can then call "ANY Verizon Wireless
    >>customer...absolutely free". But this is not true if the Verizon
    >>customer you're calling happens to be on the Extended Network. BOTH
    >>your phone and their phone will use Anytime minutes (of which you'll
    >>have few on most plans).

    >
    >It's my understanding - which could be wrong - that if you're on the
    >VZW network, and the other caller's recognized by caller ID, you'll be
    >using In-Network time...no matter if they're on the VZW network or
    >Extended Network. If they're in Extended Network, THEY will (likely)
    >use anytime minutes.
    >
    >The devil's in the details, and I don't know if A) any of VZW's
    >extended network partners don't pass caller ID info through or B) if
    >it recognizes it if YOU dial the other party (which I believe it
    >should, VZW should know its own exchanges).



    What does caller ID have to do with anything? If it is a call entirely
    within the VZW network, it knows how it is routing the call, and that has
    nothing to do with caller-id. Some of the VZW literature mentioned that
    "caller id may be required to get M2M", but that seems VERY strange to
    me. And even if it did use the caller-id info, caller-id blocking would
    have no effect, since the caller-id info is carried all the way to the
    switch handling the called user, which will honor the privacy bit and
    not send it to the end user. But the SYSTEM knows the caller-id info,
    for other features like distinctive ringing and annoyance-call trace.

    And it is no longer an issue of knowing its own exchanges... with number
    portability, any number may or may not be that of a VZW phone.
  17. plane

    plane Guest

    zachs@cuesoft.com (Zac) wrote in message news:<83f5fa57.0402110616.17076ed1@posting.google.com>...
    > Just a word of warning:
    >
    > Verizon's website claims that with their IN-Network plan, you can
    > "Call any Verizon Wireless customer anytime, anywhere, absolutely free
    > when you call from the National IN-Network Coverage Area". THIS IS
    > SIMPLY NOT TRUE.
    >
    > Areas of Verizon's network are called their "Extended Network". While
    > on that network, you aren't "roaming", but you're not on the true
    > Verizon In-Network. You can't call another Verizon customer for free
    > while you're on that network.
    >
    > Now it's true, the website says you have to call FROM the In-Network
    > coverage area, so it makes sense that it wouldn't be free In-Network
    > calling if you were calling FROM the Extended Network.
    >
    > THE PROBLEM is that the website states that if YOU are on the
    > in-Network coverage area, that you can then call "ANY Verizon Wireless
    > customer...absolutely free". But this is not true if the Verizon
    > customer you're calling happens to be on the Extended Network. BOTH
    > your phone and their phone will use Anytime minutes (of which you'll
    > have few on most plans).
    >
    > Verizon has good service, and I would still recommend them to anyone
    > who doesn't end up on the Extended Network. Just be careful to avoid
    > this peice of false advertising.


    > > get a lot of contract extensions and perhaps some new customers. For
    > > some current and new customers, IN is a great deal. For others
    > > (especially current customers considering changing carriers) it is
    > > not, but they don't have to take it.


    I haven't picked up a new brochure with the in network listed, but if
    what you are quoting is accurate, and I hope it is, then another point
    is the subject of another post about voice mail and m2m billing (how
    can we abbreviate this in network thing?)--if you can call *ANY*
    verizon customer, is the customer
    calling his voicemail a customer of someone else other than verizon?
    Then why is a voice mail call not free too???

    As I mentioned, I have not seen the brochure, and I hope there is no
    mice print about this (which I bet there is).
  18. Jim Ancona

    Jim Ancona Guest

    hoch@exemplary.invalid (CharlesH) wrote in
    news:c0dujs11562@enews4.newsguy.com:
    > What does caller ID have to do with anything? If it is a call
    > entirely within the VZW network, it knows how it is routing the
    > call, and that has nothing to do with caller-id. Some of the VZW
    > literature mentioned that "caller id may be required to get M2M",
    > but that seems VERY strange to me. And even if it did use the
    > caller-id info, caller-id blocking would have no effect, since the
    > caller-id info is carried all the way to the switch handling the
    > called user, which will honor the privacy bit and not send it to
    > the end user. But the SYSTEM knows the caller-id info, for other
    > features like distinctive ringing and annoyance-call trace.


    I picked up the new brochure the other day. Here's the text refering to
    Caller ID:

    "Important Information: National IN-Network Calling
    National IN-Network Calling requires that Caller ID be present on each
    line. If Caller ID is not present, National IN-Network Calling will
    apply to outgoing calls only. National IN-Network Calling minutes do
    not apply to calls received when Caller ID is not present. National IN-
    Network Calling is not available to customers whose wireless exchange
    restricts the delivery of caller ID or with fixed wireless devices with
    usage substantially from a single cell site. Data usage will not be
    rated IN-Network Calling."

    I interpret the first part of that to mean that outgoing calls to other
    VZW lines are included as IN-Network Calling (as long as you are in the
    National IN-Network Calling coverage area). Incoming calls from VZW
    lines are also included, assuming that Caller ID is available--
    presumably so VZW can know that the call is coming from another VZW
    line.

    Note that all of this refers to whether the line on one end of the call
    is charged. I assume this means that the rules will be applied
    independantly at each end of the call. If so, it will be common for one
    end of a call to be IN-Network, while the other is not. For example, If
    I am in the IN-Network area and call my friend who is roaming, the call
    would be IN-Network for me (because I'm calling another VZW line), but
    not for her (because she's roaming).

    I don't know what the the last two sentences refer to.

    Jim
  19. In article <Xns948CA6050FEEFusenetanconafamilyco@130.81.64.196>,
    Jim Ancona wrote:

    > National IN-Network Calling requires that Caller ID be present on each
    > line. If Caller ID is not present, National IN-Network Calling will


    Caller ID of "restricted" (*67 or permanent CID block) = caller ID present
    (the *switch* serving the called party got a number, but the called party
    itself did not) AFAIC.

    > not apply to calls received when Caller ID is not present. National IN-
    > Network Calling is not available to customers whose wireless exchange
    > restricts the delivery of caller ID or with fixed wireless devices with


    Customers in some smaller towns have numbers that are in prefixes shared
    with the local wireline phone company and that are served by "Type 1"
    trunks, which hang off a local phone company's switch like a PBX would;
    Type 1 trunks don't support caller ID, so there's no info to determine
    where the call came from.

    Note that this is *not* the same as number pooling, where a group of 1000
    numbers in a prefix belonging to company A is sub-assigned to company B.
    In a pooling situation, the pooled thousands block belongs to VZW and is
    certainly served by interconnections ("Type 2", or modern standard SS7
    interoffice trunking) that support Caller ID.

    > usage substantially from a single cell site. Data usage will not be
    > rated IN-Network Calling."


    VZW's simply trying to weed out nailed-up connections. :)

    -SC
    --
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    ....
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  20. Dr.WireMORE

    Dr.WireMORE Guest

    I concur with Mike: If YOU are in the in-network area, and make/receive a
    call to another Verizon subscriber (however they figure that out), then YOU
    are taking advantage of the FREE in-network calling.

    So, what about the other person.... (Substitute "the other callers" for
    YOU). Having some fun today, hope you don't mind.

    Net: Two verizon wireless people call each other. The person who is
    "in-network" gets advantage of unlimited free in-network calling. The
    person who is "not" is charged according to their coverage plan.

    The above applies "best" to National Coverage (America's Choice), because
    National coverage does not apply to in-network if you are on Local Digital
    Choice.

    Dr. WireMORE
    Wireless Consultant/Trainer/Speaker; Midwest Master Agent.

    "Mike" <inundated9@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:c1mk2013op8k9j42nb6q53l6j0lm6gppcb@4ax.com...
    > On 11 Feb 2004 06:16:30 -0800, zachs@cuesoft.com (Zac) wrote:
    >
    > >THE PROBLEM is that the website states that if YOU are on the
    > >in-Network coverage area, that you can then call "ANY Verizon Wireless
    > >customer...absolutely free". But this is not true if the Verizon
    > >customer you're calling happens to be on the Extended Network. BOTH
    > >your phone and their phone will use Anytime minutes (of which you'll
    > >have few on most plans).

    >
    > It's my understanding - which could be wrong - that if you're on the
    > VZW network, and the other caller's recognized by caller ID, you'll be
    > using In-Network time...no matter if they're on the VZW network or
    > Extended Network. If they're in Extended Network, THEY will (likely)
    > use anytime minutes.
    >
    > The devil's in the details, and I don't know if A) any of VZW's
    > extended network partners don't pass caller ID info through or B) if
    > it recognizes it if YOU dial the other party (which I believe it
    > should, VZW should know its own exchanges).
    >
    > Mike

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