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Industry Blasts Verizon PTT

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Mark F, Sep 18, 2003.

  1. Mark F

    Mark F Guest

    After one month of push-to-talk competition between Verizon Wireless and
    market incumbent Nextel Communications, Verizon is insistent it has made
    strong inroads—even as critics lambaste the service quality of the
    company's application.

    Denny Strigl, president and CEO of Verizon Wireless, said last week that
    the company's push-to-talk service is selling ahead of expectations.
    Dick Lynch, chief technical officer, said the carrier already has
    ordered more Motorola V60p push-to-talk enabled phones based on the
    application's early success. Verizon plans to make a second push-to-talk
    handset available before Christmas, Lynch said.

    At the same time, however, analysts and users who have tried Verizon's
    push-to-talk offering maintain that they are not impressed with it, due
    in large part to call set-up and intra-call latency problems. Those
    critics claim Verizon's service lags behind the less-than-one-second
    standard that has been Nextel's mantra the past 10 years.

    Read the whole story here:

    http://telephonyonline.com/microsit...6&releaseid=&srid=11357&magazineid=7&siteid=3

    --
    Mark

    [posted via phonescoop.com]
     



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  2. Mark F wrote:
    > After one month of push-to-talk competition between Verizon Wireless and
    > market incumbent Nextel Communications, Verizon is insistent it has made
    > strong inroads—even as critics lambaste the service quality of the
    > company's application.
    >
    > Denny Strigl, president and CEO of Verizon Wireless, said last week that
    > the company's push-to-talk service is selling ahead of expectations.
    > Dick Lynch, chief technical officer, said the carrier already has
    > ordered more Motorola V60p push-to-talk enabled phones based on the
    > application's early success. Verizon plans to make a second push-to-talk
    > handset available before Christmas, Lynch said.
    >
    > At the same time, however, analysts and users who have tried Verizon's
    > push-to-talk offering maintain that they are not impressed with it, due
    > in large part to call set-up and intra-call latency problems. Those
    > critics claim Verizon's service lags behind the less-than-one-second
    > standard that has been Nextel's mantra the past 10 years.
    >
    > Read the whole story here:
    >
    > http://telephonyonline.com/microsit...6&releaseid=&srid=11357&magazineid=7&siteid=3
    >


    Wow- interesting news day. Verizon gets panned on their PTT (that had
    to hurt), Sprint announces $1 billion 'restructuring' with the potential
    of up to 10,000 layoffs (can we spell t-r-o-u-b-l-e boys and girls?),
    and all Nextel could announce was the retirement of $1 billion in high
    interest bonds. So the score for the day is-
    Verizon- bad news
    PCS- worse news
    Nextel- really good news

    I especially liked the part of the article (not posted) that talked
    about Verizon's plan to push 3 or 4 fixes over the next couple of years
    to address the latency issue. They say that each fix will reduce the
    latency by milliseconds (no kidding). Is the hope to make a really long
    connect time just long?
     
  3. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    Thanks for the pointer, Mark. I like this part:

    >In an exclusive interview with Telephony last week, Lynch acknowledged that latency on the carrier's service is greater than Nextel's, but he defended Verizon's offering as superior overall and pledged that the carrier will make the changes necessary to

    boost quality.

    >“Yes, the latency's there,” Lynch said. “We will improve it in any way possible. We will conduct three to four incremental latency reductions. These will be in milliseconds of improvement over the next couple years, but those milliseconds add up.”


    Hmm...let's see....It takes 15 seconds to setup a PTT call....minus
    all 4 "incremental latency reductions" of "milliseconds of
    improvement"....let's say 150 ms each X 4 = 600 ms from the original
    15,000 ms = 14.4 seconds to setup a call.....

    "Hello? Ameritrade? Buy more Nextel stock, quick!"



    Larry W4CSC

    3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?
     
  4. Yuk Fu

    Yuk Fu Guest

    How is Nextels analog service compared to Verizon? that's more important
    to you than the PTT, right?


    nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) wrote in article
    <3f6a64f9.342980467@news.knology.net>:
    > Thanks for the pointer, Mark. I like this part:
    >
    > >In an exclusive interview with Telephony last week, Lynch acknowledged that latency on the carrier's service is greater than Nextel's, but he defended Verizon's offering as superior overall and pledged that the carrier will make the changes necessary t

    o boost quality.
    >
    > >“Yes, the latency's there,” Lynch said. “We will improve it in any way possible. We will conduct three to four incremental latency reductions. These will be in milliseconds of improvement over the next couple years, but those milliseconds add up.”

    >
    > Hmm...let's see....It takes 15 seconds to setup a PTT call....minus
    > all 4 "incremental latency reductions" of "milliseconds of
    > improvement"....let's say 150 ms each X 4 = 600 ms from the original
    > 15,000 ms = 14.4 seconds to setup a call.....
    >
    > "Hello? Ameritrade? Buy more Nextel stock, quick!"
    >
    >
    >
    > Larry W4CSC
    >
    > 3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    > gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    > conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
     
  5. "Yuk Fu" <sprintblows@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:vml9vdqterj841@corp.supernews.com...
    > How is Nextels analog service compared to Verizon? that's more important
    > to you than the PTT, right?
    >


    Does Nextel work on cellular analog at all? I thought that Nextel was
    using a separate set of frequencies, the ones reserved for Trunked radio as
    opposed to the ones used for cellular. I admit to knowing little about
    Nextel technology.


    --
    Thomas M. Goethe



    >
    > nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) wrote in article
    > <3f6a64f9.342980467@news.knology.net>:
    > > Thanks for the pointer, Mark. I like this part:
    > >
    > > >In an exclusive interview with Telephony last week, Lynch acknowledged

    that latency on the carrier's service is greater than Nextel's, but he
    defended Verizon's offering as superior overall and pledged that the carrier
    will make the changes necessary to boost quality.
    > >
    > > >"Yes, the latency's there," Lynch said. "We will improve it in any way

    possible. We will conduct three to four incremental latency reductions.
    These will be in milliseconds of improvement over the next couple years, but
    those milliseconds add up."
    > >
    > > Hmm...let's see....It takes 15 seconds to setup a PTT call....minus
    > > all 4 "incremental latency reductions" of "milliseconds of
    > > improvement"....let's say 150 ms each X 4 = 600 ms from the original
    > > 15,000 ms = 14.4 seconds to setup a call.....
    > >
    > > "Hello? Ameritrade? Buy more Nextel stock, quick!"
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Larry W4CSC
    > >
    > > 3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    > > gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    > > conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?

    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]
     
  6. Mark F

    Mark F Guest

    Nope, NEXTEL doesn't work with analog cellular at all. NEXTEL is
    actually a SMR (Specialized Mobile Radio) and not considered or ever
    advertised as a "cellular phone provider".
    --
    Mark


    "Thomas M. Goethe" <goethe11@lycos.com> wrote in article
    <bkert4$10qka$1@ID-192964.news.uni-berlin.de>:
    >
    >
    > Does Nextel work on cellular analog at all? I thought that Nextel was
    > using a separate set of frequencies, the ones reserved for Trunked radio as
    > opposed to the ones used for cellular. I admit to knowing little about
    > Nextel technology.
    >
    >
    > --
    > Thomas M. Goethe



    [posted via phonescoop.com]
     
  7. P Howard

    P Howard Guest

    Nextel's issuing debt bonds is not necessarily good news. They are
    using the equity market to raise funds that their quarter over quarter
    cash flow could not produce. They will have to pay millions in
    administation fees to the underwriter and millions more over time in
    interest payments. I believe I read that the bonds mature in 2011...
    that's a long time for the interest to compound, especially on a 7.00+%
    senior note.

    I certainly agree though that Sprint PCS' decision to cut costs by over
    a billion dollars could have a huge negative impact on their workforce.

    As far as VZW... if they trim the latency, that will provide more and
    better competition within the marketplace, resulting in better products
    for us consumers, and probably better pricing, too. So I'm for it...
    let's see how long it takes to occur.

    --
    Verizon customer/ formerly Cingular user/ formerly Sprint PCS user


    Scott Stephenson <scott.stephenson@adelphia.net> wrote in article
    <pKsab.594$qK1.633011@news2.news.adelphia.net>:
    > Mark F wrote:
    > > After one month of push-to-talk competition between Verizon Wireless and
    > > market incumbent Nextel Communications, Verizon is insistent it has made
    > > strong inroads—even as critics lambaste the service quality of the
    > > company's application.
    > >
    > > Denny Strigl, president and CEO of Verizon Wireless, said last week that
    > > the company's push-to-talk service is selling ahead of expectations.
    > > Dick Lynch, chief technical officer, said the carrier already has
    > > ordered more Motorola V60p push-to-talk enabled phones based on the
    > > application's early success. Verizon plans to make a second push-to-talk
    > > handset available before Christmas, Lynch said.
    > >
    > > At the same time, however, analysts and users who have tried Verizon's
    > > push-to-talk offering maintain that they are not impressed with it, due
    > > in large part to call set-up and intra-call latency problems. Those
    > > critics claim Verizon's service lags behind the less-than-one-second
    > > standard that has been Nextel's mantra the past 10 years.
    > >
    > > Read the whole story here:
    > >
    > > http://telephonyonline.com/microsit...6&releaseid=&srid=11357&magazineid=7&siteid=3
    > >

    >
    > Wow- interesting news day. Verizon gets panned on their PTT (that had
    > to hurt), Sprint announces $1 billion 'restructuring' with the potential
    > of up to 10,000 layoffs (can we spell t-r-o-u-b-l-e boys and girls?),
    > and all Nextel could announce was the retirement of $1 billion in high
    > interest bonds. So the score for the day is-
    > Verizon- bad news
    > PCS- worse news
    > Nextel- really good news
    >
    > I especially liked the part of the article (not posted) that talked
    > about Verizon's plan to push 3 or 4 fixes over the next couple of years
    > to address the latency issue. They say that each fix will reduce the
    > latency by milliseconds (no kidding). Is the hope to make a really long
    > connect time just long?
    >


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
     
  8. Isaiah Beard

    Isaiah Beard Guest

    Yuk Fu wrote:

    > How is Nextels analog service compared to Verizon? that's more important
    > to you than the PTT, right?


    For some people, it isn't.
     
  9. Isaiah Beard

    Isaiah Beard Guest

    Scott Stephenson wrote:


    >
    > Wow- interesting news day. Verizon gets panned on their PTT (that had
    > to hurt),


    It's negativity fueled by people's personal alliances. Verizon isn't
    one to continue pushing something if it's clearly a flop. And frankly,
    the fact that Nextel NEEDS to push the latency thing in their ads is an
    indication to me that they're scared, and that they are feeling an
    impact from Verizon PTT. If it truly wasn't a threat to them, they
    wouldn't give Verizon's PTT offering the time of day in their ads, or in
    their statements to the press.


    > Sprint announces $1 billion 'restructuring' with the potential
    > of up to 10,000 layoffs (can we spell t-r-o-u-b-l-e boys and girls?),


    Layoffs were never once mentioned in the press release, much less was a
    number given.


    > and all Nextel could announce was the retirement of $1 billion in high
    > interest bonds.


    Well, guess you're not short-selling Nextel stock today, huh? :)
     
  10. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 08:13:35 -0400, "Thomas M. Goethe"
    <goethe11@lycos.com> wrote:

    >"Yuk Fu" <sprintblows@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >news:vml9vdqterj841@corp.supernews.com...
    >> How is Nextels analog service compared to Verizon? that's more important
    >> to you than the PTT, right?
    >>

    >
    > Does Nextel work on cellular analog at all? I thought that Nextel was
    >using a separate set of frequencies, the ones reserved for Trunked radio as
    >opposed to the ones used for cellular. I admit to knowing little about
    >Nextel technology.
    >

    Nextel isn't even a cellular company. Nextel is a trunked radio
    system.

    But, he wouldn't know that.....(c;



    Larry W4CSC

    3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?
     
  11. Larry - you're a complete Jackass with a capital J. All you are is
    whiner. If you had nothing to complain about, you'd complain there is
    nothing to complain about. Take your antiquated bag phone and your ham
    radio and just go away.

    Take you bag phone and go hike off far away in the woods you can
    complete calls where others can't. Keep walking, get lost and don't
    come back. Who are you going to call anyway? No one wants to hear from
    you.

    You're act is so tired.


    nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) wrote in article
    <3f6a64f9.342980467@news.knology.net>:
    > Thanks for the pointer, Mark. I like this part:
    >
    > >In an exclusive interview with Telephony last week, Lynch acknowledged that latency on the carrier's service is greater than Nextel's, but he defended Verizon's offering as superior overall and pledged that the carrier will make the changes necessary t

    o boost quality.
    >
    > >“Yes, the latency's there,” Lynch said. “We will improve it in any way possible. We will conduct three to four incremental latency reductions. These will be in milliseconds of improvement over the next couple years, but those milliseconds add up.”

    >
    > Hmm...let's see....It takes 15 seconds to setup a PTT call....minus
    > all 4 "incremental latency reductions" of "milliseconds of
    > improvement"....let's say 150 ms each X 4 = 600 ms from the original
    > 15,000 ms = 14.4 seconds to setup a call.....
    >
    > "Hello? Ameritrade? Buy more Nextel stock, quick!"
    >
    >
    >
    > Larry W4CSC
    >
    > 3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    > gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    > conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
     
  12. Quick

    Quick Guest

    O, c'mon. Thats not quite fair is it? Larry can be a bit
    repetitive, narrow minded, tends to latch on to things,
    and annoying at times but he is not a troll, provides a
    lot of (correct) technical information (some dated, but
    Larry does know his stuff when it comes to antennas) and
    some wireless. And can be amusing as well. I don't think
    that warrants calling him a complete Jackass with a capital
    J. After all, he was on a sail boat for a few days and they
    didn't throw him overboard.

    -Quick

    "BlahBlah Blabber" <blah_blah@blahblah.com> wrote
    > Larry - you're a complete Jackass with a capital J. All you are is
    > whiner. If you had nothing to complain about, you'd complain there is
    > nothing to complain about. Take your antiquated bag phone and your ham
    > radio and just go away.
    >
    > Take you bag phone and go hike off far away in the woods you can
    > complete calls where others can't. Keep walking, get lost and don't
    > come back. Who are you going to call anyway? No one wants to hear from
    > you.
    >
    > You're act is so tired.
    >
    >
    > nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) wrote in article
    > <3f6a64f9.342980467@news.knology.net>:
    > > Thanks for the pointer, Mark. I like this part:
    > >
    > > >In an exclusive interview with Telephony last week, Lynch acknowledged

    that latency on the carrier's service is greater than Nextel's, but he
    defended Verizon's offering as superior overall and pledged that the carrier
    will make the changes necessary to boost quality.
    > >
    > > >"Yes, the latency's there," Lynch said. "We will improve it in any way

    possible. We will conduct three to four incremental latency reductions.
    These will be in milliseconds of improvement over the next couple years, but
    those milliseconds add up."
    > >
    > > Hmm...let's see....It takes 15 seconds to setup a PTT call....minus
    > > all 4 "incremental latency reductions" of "milliseconds of
    > > improvement"....let's say 150 ms each X 4 = 600 ms from the original
    > > 15,000 ms = 14.4 seconds to setup a call.....
    > >
    > > "Hello? Ameritrade? Buy more Nextel stock, quick!"
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Larry W4CSC
    > >
    > > 3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    > > gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    > > conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?

    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]
     
  13. Ok Ok.....never said the guy isn't technically savvy, more so than many,
    probably most. Jack Ass may be a little harsh...maybe more like a
    nagging wife? an old wet hen? a female dog in heat?

    did you ever think he was on the sailboat himself and therefore couldn't
    be thrown overboard. (Unless one of the his other personalities did it
    for him....)




    "Quick" <dhorwitz@NOSPAMcisco.com> wrote in article
    <1063992037.160454@sj-nntpcache-5>:
    > O, c'mon. Thats not quite fair is it? Larry can be a bit
    > repetitive, narrow minded, tends to latch on to things,
    > and annoying at times but he is not a troll, provides a
    > lot of (correct) technical information (some dated, but
    > Larry does know his stuff when it comes to antennas) and
    > some wireless. And can be amusing as well. I don't think
    > that warrants calling him a complete Jackass with a capital
    > J. After all, he was on a sail boat for a few days and they
    > didn't throw him overboard.
    >
    > -Quick
    >
    > "BlahBlah Blabber" <blah_blah@blahblah.com> wrote
    > > Larry - you're a complete Jackass with a capital J. All you are is
    > > whiner. If you had nothing to complain about, you'd complain there is
    > > nothing to complain about. Take your antiquated bag phone and your ham
    > > radio and just go away.
    > >
    > > Take you bag phone and go hike off far away in the woods you can
    > > complete calls where others can't. Keep walking, get lost and don't
    > > come back. Who are you going to call anyway? No one wants to hear from
    > > you.
    > >
    > > You're act is so tired.
    > >
    > >
    > > nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) wrote in article
    > > <3f6a64f9.342980467@news.knology.net>:
    > > > Thanks for the pointer, Mark. I like this part:
    > > >
    > > > >In an exclusive interview with Telephony last week, Lynch acknowledged

    > that latency on the carrier's service is greater than Nextel's, but he
    > defended Verizon's offering as superior overall and pledged that the carrier
    > will make the changes necessary to boost quality.
    > > >
    > > > >"Yes, the latency's there," Lynch said. "We will improve it in any way

    > possible. We will conduct three to four incremental latency reductions.
    > These will be in milliseconds of improvement over the next couple years, but
    > those milliseconds add up."
    > > >
    > > > Hmm...let's see....It takes 15 seconds to setup a PTT call....minus
    > > > all 4 "incremental latency reductions" of "milliseconds of
    > > > improvement"....let's say 150 ms each X 4 = 600 ms from the original
    > > > 15,000 ms = 14.4 seconds to setup a call.....
    > > >
    > > > "Hello? Ameritrade? Buy more Nextel stock, quick!"
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Larry W4CSC
    > > >
    > > > 3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    > > > gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    > > > conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?

    > >
    > > [posted via phonescoop.com]

    >
    >


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
     
  14. college guy

    college guy Guest

    LOL. what also i find funny is that some people on here think that the
    nextel system is so much better than the verizon system. but they fail
    to take one major thing into account, its only been out a freakin month
    people! anyone who works in the cellular industry will tell you with any
    new type of service with any company (be it apps that you can download
    over the air or wireless internet or whatever) it will have bugs in it.
    and i also find it funny that i keep reading where people say oh no one
    is buying the verizon push to talk. and i hate to say this but that is
    completely not the case, alot of time i have to take people's names and
    numbers and call them when i get them back in. so keep posting that the
    verizon push to talk isn't worth it but i know it is, and i will
    continue to laugh at people who post that.....laugh at them all the way
    to the bank every time i get paid.

    blah_blah@blahblah.com (BlahBlah Blabber) wrote in article
    <vmmhklak7ig88a@corp.supernews.com>:
    > Ok Ok.....never said the guy isn't technically savvy, more so than many,
    > probably most. Jack Ass may be a little harsh...maybe more like a
    > nagging wife? an old wet hen? a female dog in heat?
    >
    > did you ever think he was on the sailboat himself and therefore couldn't
    > be thrown overboard. (Unless one of the his other personalities did it
    > for him....)
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "Quick" <dhorwitz@NOSPAMcisco.com> wrote in article
    > <1063992037.160454@sj-nntpcache-5>:
    > > O, c'mon. Thats not quite fair is it? Larry can be a bit
    > > repetitive, narrow minded, tends to latch on to things,
    > > and annoying at times but he is not a troll, provides a
    > > lot of (correct) technical information (some dated, but
    > > Larry does know his stuff when it comes to antennas) and
    > > some wireless. And can be amusing as well. I don't think
    > > that warrants calling him a complete Jackass with a capital
    > > J. After all, he was on a sail boat for a few days and they
    > > didn't throw him overboard.
    > >
    > > -Quick
    > >
    > > "BlahBlah Blabber" <blah_blah@blahblah.com> wrote
    > > > Larry - you're a complete Jackass with a capital J. All you are is
    > > > whiner. If you had nothing to complain about, you'd complain there is
    > > > nothing to complain about. Take your antiquated bag phone and your ham
    > > > radio and just go away.
    > > >
    > > > Take you bag phone and go hike off far away in the woods you can
    > > > complete calls where others can't. Keep walking, get lost and don't
    > > > come back. Who are you going to call anyway? No one wants to hear from
    > > > you.
    > > >
    > > > You're act is so tired.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) wrote in article
    > > > <3f6a64f9.342980467@news.knology.net>:
    > > > > Thanks for the pointer, Mark. I like this part:
    > > > >
    > > > > >In an exclusive interview with Telephony last week, Lynch acknowledged

    > > that latency on the carrier's service is greater than Nextel's, but he
    > > defended Verizon's offering as superior overall and pledged that the carrier
    > > will make the changes necessary to boost quality.
    > > > >
    > > > > >"Yes, the latency's there," Lynch said. "We will improve it in any way

    > > possible. We will conduct three to four incremental latency reductions.
    > > These will be in milliseconds of improvement over the next couple years, but
    > > those milliseconds add up."
    > > > >
    > > > > Hmm...let's see....It takes 15 seconds to setup a PTT call....minus
    > > > > all 4 "incremental latency reductions" of "milliseconds of
    > > > > improvement"....let's say 150 ms each X 4 = 600 ms from the original
    > > > > 15,000 ms = 14.4 seconds to setup a call.....
    > > > >
    > > > > "Hello? Ameritrade? Buy more Nextel stock, quick!"
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > Larry W4CSC
    > > > >
    > > > > 3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    > > > > gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    > > > > conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?
    > > >
    > > > [posted via phonescoop.com]

    > >
    > >

    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
     
  15. CharlesH

    CharlesH Guest

    In article <3f6a64f9.342980467@news.knology.net>,
    Larry W4CSC <nospam@home.com> wrote:
    >Thanks for the pointer, Mark. I like this part:
    >
    >>In an exclusive interview with Telephony last week, Lynch acknowledged

    >that latency on the carrier's service is greater than Nextel's, but he
    >defended Verizon's offering as superior overall and pledged that the
    >carrier will make the changes necessary to boost quality.
    >
    >>“Yes, the latency's there,” Lynch said. “We will improve it in any way

    >possible. We will conduct three to four incremental latency reductions.
    >These will be in milliseconds of improvement over the next couple years,
    >but those milliseconds add up.”
    >
    >Hmm...let's see....It takes 15 seconds to setup a PTT call....minus
    >all 4 "incremental latency reductions" of "milliseconds of
    >improvement"....let's say 150 ms each X 4 = 600 ms from the original
    >15,000 ms = 14.4 seconds to setup a call.....
    >
    >"Hello? Ameritrade? Buy more Nextel stock, quick!"


    It takes around 4-5 seconds from dialing the last digit on a landline
    phone to the time when my VZW phone starts ringing, and 1-2 seconds from
    SEND on a VZW phone to a landline phone to start ringing. It takes 10-15
    seconds to set up a PTT call. I have speed dial entries on my cell phone
    (press and hold digit and it dials the number in that slot). Given that
    I have a huge bucket of M2M minutes, why would I want PTT? I would connect
    a lot faster on an M2M call.
     
  16. CharlesH

    CharlesH Guest

    In article <3f6b261e.392432539@news.knology.net>,
    Larry W4CSC <nospam@home.com> wrote:
    >On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 08:13:35 -0400, "Thomas M. Goethe"
    ><goethe11@lycos.com> wrote:
    >
    >>"Yuk Fu" <sprintblows@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >>news:vml9vdqterj841@corp.supernews.com...
    >>> How is Nextels analog service compared to Verizon? that's more important
    >>> to you than the PTT, right?
    >>>

    >>
    >> Does Nextel work on cellular analog at all? I thought that Nextel was
    >>using a separate set of frequencies, the ones reserved for Trunked radio as
    >>opposed to the ones used for cellular. I admit to knowing little about
    >>Nextel technology.
    >>

    >Nextel isn't even a cellular company. Nextel is a trunked radio
    >system.
    >
    >But, he wouldn't know that.....(c;


    Apparently, neither do the folks who put together Nextel's web site:

    http://nextelonline.nextel.com/NASApp/onlinestore/Action/EnterZipCode

    Enter 95014

    Nextel Instant Connect Plans - New - Get lots of cellular minutes and
    Direct ConnectSM minutes
    to use in a large local calling area. Plus, now choose from 2 new plans
    which offer an unlimited
    amount of minutes to communicate instantly nationwide.

    Followed by a table labeled: CELLULAR MINUTES.
     
  17. Ben Skversky

    Ben Skversky Guest

    Nextel scared??? Give me a break. I was in a Nextel store today. There were
    three sales people in there & the store was mobbed. When I went in, the
    clerk said there would be a twenty minute wait. Nextel is thriving.


    "Isaiah Beard" <scaredpoet@scaredpoet.n.o.s.p.a.m.com> wrote in message
    news:3f6b1b32$1@rutgers.edu...
    > Scott Stephenson wrote:
    >
    >
    > >
    > > Wow- interesting news day. Verizon gets panned on their PTT (that had
    > > to hurt),

    >
    > It's negativity fueled by people's personal alliances. Verizon isn't
    > one to continue pushing something if it's clearly a flop. And frankly,
    > the fact that Nextel NEEDS to push the latency thing in their ads is an
    > indication to me that they're scared, and that they are feeling an
    > impact from Verizon PTT. If it truly wasn't a threat to them, they
    > wouldn't give Verizon's PTT offering the time of day in their ads, or in
    > their statements to the press.
    >
    >
    > > Sprint announces $1 billion 'restructuring' with the potential
    > > of up to 10,000 layoffs (can we spell t-r-o-u-b-l-e boys and girls?),

    >
    > Layoffs were never once mentioned in the press release, much less was a
    > number given.
    >
    >
    > > and all Nextel could announce was the retirement of $1 billion in high
    > > interest bonds.

    >
    > Well, guess you're not short-selling Nextel stock today, huh? :)
    >
    >
     
  18. college guy wrote:
    > LOL. what also i find funny is that some people on here think that the
    > nextel system is so much better than the verizon system. but they fail
    > to take one major thing into account, its only been out a freakin month
    > people! anyone who works in the cellular industry will tell you with any
    > new type of service with any company (be it apps that you can download
    > over the air or wireless internet or whatever) it will have bugs in it.
    > and i also find it funny that i keep reading where people say oh no one
    > is buying the verizon push to talk. and i hate to say this but that is
    > completely not the case, alot of time i have to take people's names and
    > numbers and call them when i get them back in. so keep posting that the
    > verizon push to talk isn't worth it but i know it is, and i will
    > continue to laugh at people who post that.....laugh at them all the way
    > to the bank every time i get paid.
    >



    Well, we're glad you like Verizon so much- I hear the next PTT phone
    will take care of the latency problem- two spinach cans attached with
    fishing line (truly instant connect). Face it- the product does not
    live up to the expectations given by their own commercials, and they are
    talking about eliminating milliseconds (their words, not mine). Yes,
    its only been out a month- it never should have launched as it is in the
    first place. Now that the trial period is over, Verizon is showing that
    they have no problem charging a premium price for a shitty product.
    Great company- you must own a big lump of stock, because those are the
    only people that get anything out of Verizon PTT- the customers sure don't.
     
  19. Actually, isn't what's going on is that VZW is providing pretty good
    cellular service and poor PTT and Nextel is providing pretty good PTT and
    poor phone service via its interconnect on trunked two-way? I can't say that
    PTT on Nextel is great as I have used conventional two-way radios.


    --
    Thomas M. Goethe


    "college guy" <collegeguy@thisaintreal.com> wrote in message
    news:vmn52gbk72sbfd@corp.supernews.com...
    > LOL. what also i find funny is that some people on here think that the
    > nextel system is so much better than the verizon system. but they fail
    > to take one major thing into account, its only been out a freakin month
    > people! anyone who works in the cellular industry will tell you with any
    > new type of service with any company (be it apps that you can download
    > over the air or wireless internet or whatever) it will have bugs in it.
    > and i also find it funny that i keep reading where people say oh no one
    > is buying the verizon push to talk. and i hate to say this but that is
    > completely not the case, alot of time i have to take people's names and
    > numbers and call them when i get them back in. so keep posting that the
    > verizon push to talk isn't worth it but i know it is, and i will
    > continue to laugh at people who post that.....laugh at them all the way
    > to the bank every time i get paid.
    >
    > blah_blah@blahblah.com (BlahBlah Blabber) wrote in article
    > <vmmhklak7ig88a@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > Ok Ok.....never said the guy isn't technically savvy, more so than many,
    > > probably most. Jack Ass may be a little harsh...maybe more like a
    > > nagging wife? an old wet hen? a female dog in heat?
    > >
    > > did you ever think he was on the sailboat himself and therefore couldn't
    > > be thrown overboard. (Unless one of the his other personalities did it
    > > for him....)
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > "Quick" <dhorwitz@NOSPAMcisco.com> wrote in article
    > > <1063992037.160454@sj-nntpcache-5>:
    > > > O, c'mon. Thats not quite fair is it? Larry can be a bit
    > > > repetitive, narrow minded, tends to latch on to things,
    > > > and annoying at times but he is not a troll, provides a
    > > > lot of (correct) technical information (some dated, but
    > > > Larry does know his stuff when it comes to antennas) and
    > > > some wireless. And can be amusing as well. I don't think
    > > > that warrants calling him a complete Jackass with a capital
    > > > J. After all, he was on a sail boat for a few days and they
    > > > didn't throw him overboard.
    > > >
    > > > -Quick
    > > >
    > > > "BlahBlah Blabber" <blah_blah@blahblah.com> wrote
    > > > > Larry - you're a complete Jackass with a capital J. All you are is
    > > > > whiner. If you had nothing to complain about, you'd complain there

    is
    > > > > nothing to complain about. Take your antiquated bag phone and your

    ham
    > > > > radio and just go away.
    > > > >
    > > > > Take you bag phone and go hike off far away in the woods you can
    > > > > complete calls where others can't. Keep walking, get lost and don't
    > > > > come back. Who are you going to call anyway? No one wants to hear

    from
    > > > > you.
    > > > >
    > > > > You're act is so tired.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) wrote in article
    > > > > <3f6a64f9.342980467@news.knology.net>:
    > > > > > Thanks for the pointer, Mark. I like this part:
    > > > > >
    > > > > > >In an exclusive interview with Telephony last week, Lynch

    acknowledged
    > > > that latency on the carrier's service is greater than Nextel's, but he
    > > > defended Verizon's offering as superior overall and pledged that the

    carrier
    > > > will make the changes necessary to boost quality.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > >"Yes, the latency's there," Lynch said. "We will improve it in

    any way
    > > > possible. We will conduct three to four incremental latency

    reductions.
    > > > These will be in milliseconds of improvement over the next couple

    years, but
    > > > those milliseconds add up."
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Hmm...let's see....It takes 15 seconds to setup a PTT

    call....minus
    > > > > > all 4 "incremental latency reductions" of "milliseconds of
    > > > > > improvement"....let's say 150 ms each X 4 = 600 ms from the

    original
    > > > > > 15,000 ms = 14.4 seconds to setup a call.....
    > > > > >
    > > > > > "Hello? Ameritrade? Buy more Nextel stock, quick!"
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Larry W4CSC
    > > > > >
    > > > > > 3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    > > > > > gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    > > > > > conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?
    > > > >
    > > > > [posted via phonescoop.com]
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > > [posted via phonescoop.com]

    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]
     
  20. Thomas M. Goethe wrote:
    > Actually, isn't what's going on is that VZW is providing pretty good
    > cellular service and poor PTT and Nextel is providing pretty good PTT and
    > poor phone service via its interconnect on trunked two-way? I can't say that
    > PTT on Nextel is great as I have used conventional two-way radios.
    >
    >

    define poor phone service- mine has worked extrememly well, and coverage
    (except for the few rural areas I visit that nobody covers) is excellent.

    As for conventional two-ways, that would be like me saying that the call
    quality is better on my landline than my cell. One is designed for a
    single purpose, and the other is multifunctional.
     

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