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Industry Blasts Verizon PTT

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Mark F, Sep 18, 2003.

  1. Male Bomb

    Male Bomb Guest


    > Does Nextel work on cellular analog at all?

    No, the post was sarcasm aimed at Larry... MB

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  2. Mark F

    Mark F Guest

    Oh please...that would be like an automobile manufacturer releasing a
    car that has so many re-calls that it had more vertical mileage (on the
    lift) than horizontal mileage.

    Verizon had more than enough time to get it right THE FIRST TIME or they
    should of never deployed it.

    If ETHERNET had as many growing pains as Verizon PTT, networks would be
    running 56k and we would be content with it as speed went up 1 or 2kb
    for each release. I think not!
    --
    Mark


    collegeguy@thisaintreal.com (college guy) wrote in article
    <vmn52gbk72sbfd@corp.supernews.com>:
    > LOL. what also i find funny is that some people on here think that the
    > nextel system is so much better than the verizon system. but they fail
    > to take one major thing into account, its only been out a freakin month
    > people! anyone who works in the cellular industry will tell you with any
    > new type of service with any company (be it apps that you can download
    > over the air or wireless internet or whatever) it will have bugs in it.
    > and i also find it funny that i keep reading where people say oh no one
    > is buying the verizon push to talk. and i hate to say this but that is
    > completely not the case, alot of time i have to take people's names and
    > numbers and call them when i get them back in. so keep posting that the
    > verizon push to talk isn't worth it but i know it is, and i will
    > continue to laugh at people who post that.....laugh at them all the way
    > to the bank every time i get paid.
    >
    > blah_blah@blahblah.com (BlahBlah Blabber) wrote in article
    > <vmmhklak7ig88a@corp.supernews.com>:
    > > Ok Ok.....never said the guy isn't technically savvy, more so than many,
    > > probably most. Jack Ass may be a little harsh...maybe more like a
    > > nagging wife? an old wet hen? a female dog in heat?
    > >
    > > did you ever think he was on the sailboat himself and therefore couldn't
    > > be thrown overboard. (Unless one of the his other personalities did it
    > > for him....)
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > "Quick" <dhorwitz@NOSPAMcisco.com> wrote in article
    > > <1063992037.160454@sj-nntpcache-5>:
    > > > O, c'mon. Thats not quite fair is it? Larry can be a bit
    > > > repetitive, narrow minded, tends to latch on to things,
    > > > and annoying at times but he is not a troll, provides a
    > > > lot of (correct) technical information (some dated, but
    > > > Larry does know his stuff when it comes to antennas) and
    > > > some wireless. And can be amusing as well. I don't think
    > > > that warrants calling him a complete Jackass with a capital
    > > > J. After all, he was on a sail boat for a few days and they
    > > > didn't throw him overboard.
    > > >
    > > > -Quick
    > > >
    > > > "BlahBlah Blabber" <blah_blah@blahblah.com> wrote
    > > > > Larry - you're a complete Jackass with a capital J. All you are is
    > > > > whiner. If you had nothing to complain about, you'd complain there is
    > > > > nothing to complain about. Take your antiquated bag phone and your ham
    > > > > radio and just go away.
    > > > >
    > > > > Take you bag phone and go hike off far away in the woods you can
    > > > > complete calls where others can't. Keep walking, get lost and don't
    > > > > come back. Who are you going to call anyway? No one wants to hear from
    > > > > you.
    > > > >
    > > > > You're act is so tired.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) wrote in article
    > > > > <3f6a64f9.342980467@news.knology.net>:
    > > > > > Thanks for the pointer, Mark. I like this part:
    > > > > >
    > > > > > >In an exclusive interview with Telephony last week, Lynch acknowledged
    > > > that latency on the carrier's service is greater than Nextel's, but he
    > > > defended Verizon's offering as superior overall and pledged that the carrier
    > > > will make the changes necessary to boost quality.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > >"Yes, the latency's there," Lynch said. "We will improve it in any way
    > > > possible. We will conduct three to four incremental latency reductions.
    > > > These will be in milliseconds of improvement over the next couple years, but
    > > > those milliseconds add up."
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Hmm...let's see....It takes 15 seconds to setup a PTT call....minus
    > > > > > all 4 "incremental latency reductions" of "milliseconds of
    > > > > > improvement"....let's say 150 ms each X 4 = 600 ms from the original
    > > > > > 15,000 ms = 14.4 seconds to setup a call.....
    > > > > >
    > > > > > "Hello? Ameritrade? Buy more Nextel stock, quick!"
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Larry W4CSC
    > > > > >
    > > > > > 3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    > > > > > gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    > > > > > conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?
    > > > >
    > > > > [posted via phonescoop.com]
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > > [posted via phonescoop.com]

    >
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  3. Yuk Fu

    Yuk Fu Guest

    malebomb@comcast.net (Male Bomb) wrote in article
    <vmnf4kcdfe5l78@corp.supernews.com>:

    >


    >


    >


    > > Does Nextel work on cellular analog at all?


    > No, the post was sarcasm aimed at Larry... MB


    >


    > [posted via phonescoop.com]




    Thank you MB, I see that my sarcasm went right over Larry's head.

    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  4. Yuk Fu

    Yuk Fu Guest

    My post was directed to Larry for a specific reason, I was not implying
    anything negative about PTT or those who use it.


    Isaiah Beard <scaredpoet@scaredpoet.n.o.s.p.a.m.com> wrote in article
    <3f6b1a49$1@rutgers.edu>:
    > Yuk Fu wrote:
    >
    > > How is Nextels analog service compared to Verizon? that's more important
    > > to you than the PTT, right?

    >
    > For some people, it isn't.
    >
    >


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  5. On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 01:12:53 GMT, Scott Stephenson
    <scott.stephenson@adelphia.net> wrote:

    >Wow- interesting news day. Verizon gets panned on their PTT (that had
    >to hurt), Sprint announces $1 billion 'restructuring' with the potential
    >of up to 10,000 layoffs


    Due to outsourcing it could be 3-5k. AT&T Wireless has already
    outsourced, but I don't see any handwringing about them...
  6. Justa Lurker

    Justa Lurker Guest

    Xref: news.newshosting.com alt.cellular.verizon:118753

    It was Fri, 19 Sep 2003 00:23:05 -0000, and askme@askme.com
    (Mark F) wrote in alt.cellular.verizon:
    | Denny Strigl, president and CEO of Verizon Wireless, said
    | last week that the company's push-to-talk service is selling
    | ahead of expectations.

    And that is what REALLY counts. Not the ravings of some self
    appointed "industry experts" but the customer putting the cash
    into the company.

    JL


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  7. Justa Lurker wrote:
    > It was Fri, 19 Sep 2003 00:23:05 -0000, and askme@askme.com
    > (Mark F) wrote in alt.cellular.verizon:
    > | Denny Strigl, president and CEO of Verizon Wireless, said
    > | last week that the company's push-to-talk service is selling
    > | ahead of expectations.
    >
    > And that is what REALLY counts. Not the ravings of some self
    > appointed "industry experts" but the customer putting the cash
    > into the company.
    >
    > JL
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    Yeah- to hell with quality. We just want the money. I guess they want
    to be like Microsoft. And if they keep putting products with no quality
    on the market at a premium price, Verizon will become the next Sprint PCS.
  8. Justa Lurker wrote:
    > It was Fri, 19 Sep 2003 00:23:05 -0000, and askme@askme.com
    > (Mark F) wrote in alt.cellular.verizon:
    > | Denny Strigl, president and CEO of Verizon Wireless, said
    > | last week that the company's push-to-talk service is selling
    > | ahead of expectations.
    >
    > And that is what REALLY counts. Not the ravings of some self
    > appointed "industry experts" but the customer putting the cash
    > into the company.
    >
    > JL
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    If the numbers are so good, why don't they release the figures? Maybe
    their 'expectations' were just a couple of hundred phones.
  9. Sodomojo

    Sodomojo Guest

    15 seconds? What are you talking about. Tell me Larry, have you even
    used it? If not, then how do you know? If so, why have you used it if
    you think that VZW is practically the devil? When I have used it is
    has been 3-5 seconds to connect, and 2-3 seconds once connected.
    Nothing wrong at all with that. Quit your bitching and moaning about
    everything, and keep your piehole shut unless you know for sure what
    you are talking about.


    >
    > Hmm...let's see....It takes 15 seconds to setup a PTT call....minus
    > all 4 "incremental latency reductions" of "milliseconds of
    > improvement"....let's say 150 ms each X 4 = 600 ms from the original
    > 15,000 ms = 14.4 seconds to setup a call.....
    >
    > "Hello? Ameritrade? Buy more Nextel stock, quick!"
    >
    >
    >
    > Larry W4CSC
    >
    > 3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    > gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    > conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?
  10. David S

    David S Guest

    On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:52:52 -0000, thrillme5@aol.com (P Howard) chose to
    add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

    >Nextel's issuing debt bonds is not necessarily good news. They are
    >using the equity market to raise funds that their quarter over quarter
    >cash flow could not produce. They will have to pay millions in
    >administation fees to the underwriter and millions more over time in
    >interest payments. I believe I read that the bonds mature in 2011...
    >that's a long time for the interest to compound, especially on a 7.00+%
    >senior note.


    Um, the post you were responding to said Nextel *retired* bonds, not issued
    new ones.

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  11. Justa Lurker

    Justa Lurker Guest

    It was Sat, 20 Sep 2003 20:34:14 GMT, and Scott Stephenson
    <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote in alt.cellular.verizon:
    | Justa Lurker wrote:
    |> And that is what REALLY counts. Not the ravings of some self
    |> appointed "industry experts" but the customer putting the cash
    |> into the company.

    | Yeah- to hell with quality. We just want the money.

    The "industry experts" are not talking about quality. They are
    talking about fit and form. Nextel's DC still doesn't work in
    as many places as Verizon Wireless' PTT. Nextel still took a
    full 10 years to get off of their asses and make Nationwide DC
    theoretically possible, and they still don't offer it to all.

    Sales are doing OK. Launch bugs are being squashed. And NEXTEL
    is pouring it's profits into lame commercials showing people
    feet apart using DC to carry on conversations instead of using
    the money for improving their network. Nextel quality will fall
    as long as they waste money on over-advertising their product.

    Those ads show just how much of a mental midget Nextel DC'rs are.
    So hooked on BLIP-BLIP and broadcast your words at volume that
    they can't have a normal conversation without DC phones? Sad.

    JL


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  12. P Howard

    P Howard Guest

    You're correct... the initial post said they "retired" them, but they
    did not, that is the opposite of the truth... they issued new ones.

    http://www.wirelessweek.com/index.a...ID=34&vertical=Business and Finance&industry=

    I'm quite sure the original poster does not know the difference.

    --
    Verizon customer/ formerly Cingular user/ formerly Sprint PCS user


    David S <dwstreeter@att.net> wrote in article
    <hjvsmv01c62rsvs6f7qdsmcrq0u4h14ur5@4ax.com>:
    > On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:52:52 -0000, thrillme5@aol.com (P Howard) chose to
    > add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    > >Nextel's issuing debt bonds is not necessarily good news. They are
    > >using the equity market to raise funds that their quarter over quarter
    > >cash flow could not produce. They will have to pay millions in
    > >administation fees to the underwriter and millions more over time in
    > >interest payments. I believe I read that the bonds mature in 2011...
    > >that's a long time for the interest to compound, especially on a 7.00+%
    > >senior note.

    >
    > Um, the post you were responding to said Nextel *retired* bonds, not issued
    > new ones.
    >
    > David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    > --
    > http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    > Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    > "I had my bad days on the field, but I didn't take them home with me. I
    > left them in a bar along the way." - Bob Lemon, at his induction into the
    > Baseball Hall of Fame
    >


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  13. About Dakota

    About Dakota Guest

    After reading that, I also believe that Nextel retired those bonds, or
    at least sold them. It would make sense to sell those before issuing
    bonds of thier own.

    AD

    P Howard wrote:
    > You're correct... the initial post said they "retired" them, but they
    > did not, that is the opposite of the truth... they issued new ones.
    >
    > http://www.wirelessweek.com/index.a...ID=34&vertical=Business and Finance&industry=
    >
    > I'm quite sure the original poster does not know the difference.
    >
  14. P Howard

    P Howard Guest

    Not quite sure what may lead you to that conclusion. Typically, if
    that's the case, a debt restructuring, debt refinancing or debt
    reduction item would be mentioned. A company has many options to raise
    funding on the secondary market. Different class bonds may all be
    issued and open at the same time. Similar to common vs preferred stock.
    You are correct that it may make sense to pay old debt before taking on
    new debt, but this is often not the case. They may be banking on the
    current strength of their stock to justify further leveraging themselves
    to investors. Could be a good move or a bad move... only time will
    tell.

    --
    Verizon customer/ formerly Cingular user/ formerly Sprint PCS user


    About Dakota <aboutdakota@REMOVEMEhotmail.com> wrote in article
    <3F6F345A.4090408@REMOVEMEhotmail.com>:
    > After reading that, I also believe that Nextel retired those bonds, or
    > at least sold them. It would make sense to sell those before issuing
    > bonds of thier own.
    >
    > AD
    >
    > P Howard wrote:
    > > You're correct... the initial post said they "retired" them, but they
    > > did not, that is the opposite of the truth... they issued new ones.
    > >
    > > http://www.wirelessweek.com/index.a...ID=34&vertical=Business and Finance&industry=
    > >
    > > I'm quite sure the original poster does not know the difference.
    > >

    >


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  15. P Howard wrote:
    > Not quite sure what may lead you to that conclusion. Typically, if
    > that's the case, a debt restructuring, debt refinancing or debt
    > reduction item would be mentioned. A company has many options to raise
    > funding on the secondary market. Different class bonds may all be
    > issued and open at the same time. Similar to common vs preferred stock.
    > You are correct that it may make sense to pay old debt before taking on
    > new debt, but this is often not the case. They may be banking on the
    > current strength of their stock to justify further leveraging themselves
    > to investors. Could be a good move or a bad move... only time will
    > tell.
    >

    Read the newswire- they retired 12.5% bonds with the 7% bonds they
    bought- saved millions in interest.
  16. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 07:22:03 GMT, /dev/null@.com (Justa Lurker) posted
    in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >Those ads show just how much of a mental midget Nextel DC'rs are.
    >So hooked on BLIP-BLIP and broadcast your words at volume that
    >they can't have a normal conversation without DC phones? Sad.


    Verizon's not in the genius class either. Why use PTT, when it's no
    different than using the speakerphone - AND you have to pay $20/month
    (and more - depending on the plan) to do it. To play Space Ranger? I
    want PTT that works full time without dialing any numbers.
  17. Justa Lurker wrote:

    >
    > The "industry experts" are not talking about quality. They are
    > talking about fit and form. Nextel's DC still doesn't work in
    > as many places as Verizon Wireless' PTT. Nextel still took a
    > full 10 years to get off of their asses and make Nationwide DC
    > theoretically possible, and they still don't offer it to all.


    Who doesn't Nextel offer PTT to? And the Verizon data network foot
    print that their PTT works on is significantly smaller than the Nextel
    network.

    >
    > Sales are doing OK. Launch bugs are being squashed. And NEXTEL
    > is pouring it's profits into lame commercials showing people
    > feet apart using DC to carry on conversations instead of using
    > the money for improving their network. Nextel quality will fall
    > as long as they waste money on over-advertising their product.


    Over-advertising? This from a company that has there little "Can you
    hear me yet?" guy acting like he immediately connects to the network
    with PTT (Does anybody plan on answering him- oh yeah- only a 30 second
    commercial)

    >
    > Those ads show just how much of a mental midget Nextel DC'rs are.
    > So hooked on BLIP-BLIP and broadcast your words at volume that
    > they can't have a normal conversation without DC phones? Sad.


    Get a grip dude. Why don't you use your fancy picture phone to take a
    picture of your ass- people might want to see the more intelligent side
    of you.

    >
    > JL
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  18. Justa Lurker

    Justa Lurker Guest

    It was Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:25:53 GMT, and Scott Stephenson
    <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote in alt.cellular.verizon:
    |> make Nationwide DC theoretically possible, and they still
    |> don't offer it to all.
    |
    | Who doesn't Nextel offer PTT to?

    You have a reading difficulty, moron.

    | And the Verizon data network foot print that their PTT works on
    | is significantly smaller than the Nextel network.

    BULL SHIT, moron. (I'm using small words because of your reading
    problem.)

    | Over-advertising? This from a company that has there little
    | "Can you hear me yet?" guy

    I'm not a company. The statement comes from ME not Verizon,
    you silly illigitamate child. (Look it up, under "B".)
    The cool thing about the VZW guy is that he advertises much
    more than the PTT offering. All Nextel seems to be able to
    advertise is DC lately, as if that's all their service is
    good for. (Oops, sorry, that is true. NextCrap is not good
    for anything else.)

    JL


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  19. Justa Lurker wrote:
    > It was Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:25:53 GMT, and Scott Stephenson
    > <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote in alt.cellular.verizon:
    > |> make Nationwide DC theoretically possible, and they still
    > |> don't offer it to all.
    > |
    > | Who doesn't Nextel offer PTT to?
    >
    > You have a reading difficulty, moron.


    Only things written by two year olds and idiots. And you would fall in
    to which category?

    Every Nextel phone (not just one crappy m,odel) have PTT capability, and
    Nationwide PTT is offered in every market. So the question reamins- who
    don't they offer it to?

    >
    > | And the Verizon data network foot print that their PTT works on
    > | is significantly smaller than the Nextel network.
    >
    > BULL SHIT, moron. (I'm using small words because of your reading
    > problem.)
    >


    Ever wonder why you don't see a map on verizon.com outlining the data
    network coverage? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm


    > | Over-advertising? This from a company that has there little
    > | "Can you hear me yet?" guy
    >
    > I'm not a company. The statement comes from ME not Verizon,
    > you silly illigitamate child. (Look it up, under "B".)
    > The cool thing about the VZW guy is that he advertises much
    > more than the PTT offering. All Nextel seems to be able to
    > advertise is DC lately, as if that's all their service is
    > good for. (Oops, sorry, that is true. NextCrap is not good
    > for anything else.)
    >


    Stop watching the Barney tapes your Mommy recorded for you and turn on
    live TV for a little while- the only Verizon commercials for the last
    month have been of Dopey the Verizon Guy talking into his phone with
    PTT. I guess they didn't have enough production time to work out
    somebody actually answering him. BTW- the chimp was better- much more
    believable.



    > JL
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  20. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    Did you all see the crawler on CNN today saying that Nextel sued their
    asses for those false PTT ads? It's been on intermittently all day on
    the financial channels, too.



    On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:25:53 GMT, Scott Stephenson
    <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote:

    >Justa Lurker wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> The "industry experts" are not talking about quality. They are
    >> talking about fit and form. Nextel's DC still doesn't work in
    >> as many places as Verizon Wireless' PTT. Nextel still took a
    >> full 10 years to get off of their asses and make Nationwide DC
    >> theoretically possible, and they still don't offer it to all.

    >
    >Who doesn't Nextel offer PTT to? And the Verizon data network foot
    >print that their PTT works on is significantly smaller than the Nextel
    >network.
    >
    >>
    >> Sales are doing OK. Launch bugs are being squashed. And NEXTEL
    >> is pouring it's profits into lame commercials showing people
    >> feet apart using DC to carry on conversations instead of using
    >> the money for improving their network. Nextel quality will fall
    >> as long as they waste money on over-advertising their product.

    >
    >Over-advertising? This from a company that has there little "Can you
    >hear me yet?" guy acting like he immediately connects to the network
    >with PTT (Does anybody plan on answering him- oh yeah- only a 30 second
    >commercial)
    >
    >>
    >> Those ads show just how much of a mental midget Nextel DC'rs are.
    >> So hooked on BLIP-BLIP and broadcast your words at volume that
    >> they can't have a normal conversation without DC phones? Sad.

    >
    >Get a grip dude. Why don't you use your fancy picture phone to take a
    >picture of your ass- people might want to see the more intelligent side
    >of you.
    >
    >>
    >> JL
    >>
    >>
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    >



    Larry W4CSC

    3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?

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