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Industry Blasts Verizon PTT

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Mark F, Sep 18, 2003.

  1. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:15:26 GMT, Scott Stephenson
    <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote:

    >Ever wonder why you don't see a map on verizon.com outlining the data
    >network coverage? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
    >

    Nope....I saw the false-advertising map just the other day. They have
    ONE at Circuit City. It shows the whole left side of South Carolina
    has data network, therefore PTT, coverage......even way out in the
    boondocks where there isn't any CDMA coverage at all! Most of the
    AMPS-only rural SC counties west of Sumter are "covered".

    Of course, this is a rate map, as usual, and it doesn't mean there's
    any actual SERVICE in the red blob area....(c;

    Useless....just like LDC or AC maps.



    Larry W4CSC

    3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?



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  2. Larry W4CSC wrote:
    > Did you all see the crawler on CNN today saying that Nextel sued their
    > asses for those false PTT ads? It's been on intermittently all day on
    > the financial channels, too.
    >


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    >
    >
    > Larry W4CSC
    >
    > 3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    > gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    > conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?


    Yeah- its all over the Business pages. What a surprise- wonder what
    took then so long?
  3. David S

    David S Guest

    On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:15:26 GMT, Scott Stephenson
    <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> chose to add this to the great equation
    of life, the universe, and everything:

    > the only Verizon commercials for the last
    >month have been of Dopey the Verizon Guy talking into his phone with
    >PTT. I guess they didn't have enough production time to work out
    >somebody actually answering him.


    All the commercials I've seen lately are just the normal walking around
    "Can you hear me now?... Good." ones with no mention at all of PTT.

    Now why don't BOTH of you little children shut up and go sit in the corner
    until you learn to play nice?

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  4. David S wrote:
    > On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:15:26 GMT, Scott Stephenson
    > <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> chose to add this to the great equation
    > of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    >
    >>the only Verizon commercials for the last
    >>month have been of Dopey the Verizon Guy talking into his phone with
    >>PTT. I guess they didn't have enough production time to work out
    >>somebody actually answering him.

    >
    >
    > All the commercials I've seen lately are just the normal walking around
    > "Can you hear me now?... Good." ones with no mention at all of PTT.
    >
    > Now why don't BOTH of you little children shut up and go sit in the corner
    > until you learn to play nice?
    >
    > David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry

    Don't know which video tape you've been playing over and over, but the
    same Verizon PTT was on NBC twice in an hour- and at least a half dozen
    times on Sunday. And they all specifically talk about the push to wait.

    And Dave- your proctologist called- he found your head.
  5. David S

    David S Guest

    On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 04:07:28 GMT, Scott Stephenson
    <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> chose to add this to the great equation
    of life, the universe, and everything:

    >David S wrote:
    >> On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:15:26 GMT, Scott Stephenson
    >> <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> chose to add this to the great equation
    >> of life, the universe, and everything:
    >>
    >>>the only Verizon commercials for the last
    >>>month have been of Dopey the Verizon Guy talking into his phone with
    >>>PTT. I guess they didn't have enough production time to work out
    >>>somebody actually answering him.

    >>
    >> All the commercials I've seen lately are just the normal walking around
    >> "Can you hear me now?... Good." ones with no mention at all of PTT.
    >>
    >> Now why don't BOTH of you little children shut up and go sit in the corner
    >> until you learn to play nice?
    >>

    >Don't know which video tape you've been playing over and over, but the
    >same Verizon PTT was on NBC twice in an hour- and at least a half dozen
    >times on Sunday. And they all specifically talk about the push to wait.
    >
    >And Dave- your proctologist called- he found your head.


    Well, see, I don't watch much on NBC. Just The West Wing and, if I have
    nothing better to do (and I usually do), whichever version of Law & Order
    is on at the time.

    [Update: since I originally wrote that, I have seen a couple of them on
    A&E.]

    Anyway, was it a national commercial or a local one?

    BTW, Scotty, your mommy says if you don't come to bed right now, she won't
    let you do her in the butt tonight.

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  6. J A

    J A Guest

    This is a general responce to several posts:

    I have been using Verizon's PTT for a few weeks now. YES, there is a
    delay. However, the delay is only noticable in the initial connection
    for a barge call. I prefer not to make everyone in a restaurant hear my
    conversation, so I tend to use the alert much more often anyhow... which
    makes the whole arguement of the "push to wait" idea rather moot.

    What most people dont stop to realize is that Verizon launched this as a
    rather limited product for a limited customer segment. Its an add on to
    their real product (their network) as much as Get it Now or Express
    Network is. That is why we wnt with Verizon to begin with. We needed a
    service that worked throughout the country, not in hit or miss places
    like NexTel. Remember, with Nextel, if you are out of their radio
    coverage, you are SOL for phone service too. Verizon IS expensive...
    their phones ARE rather limited... and the Testdork IS annoying... but
    their system WORKS. I am willing to pay for that... its a business
    decision.

    Incidentally, there IS a posting of Verizon's PTT map on their site. If
    you are on their PTT link, click the enhanced features map link. Here
    is the link if you like:
    http://www.verizonwireless.com/ics/...de=National&p_name=National Enhanced Services



    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  7. J A wrote:

    > This is a general responce to several posts:
    >
    > I have been using Verizon's PTT for a few weeks now. YES, there is a
    > delay. However, the delay is only noticable in the initial connection
    > for a barge call. I prefer not to make everyone in a restaurant hear my
    > conversation, so I tend to use the alert much more often anyhow... which
    > makes the whole arguement of the "push to wait" idea rather moot.
    >
    > What most people dont stop to realize is that Verizon launched this as a
    > rather limited product for a limited customer segment. Its an add on to
    > their real product (their network) as much as Get it Now or Express
    > Network is. That is why we wnt with Verizon to begin with. We needed a
    > service that worked throughout the country, not in hit or miss places
    > like NexTel. Remember, with Nextel, if you are out of their radio
    > coverage, you are SOL for phone service too. Verizon IS expensive...
    > their phones ARE rather limited... and the Testdork IS annoying... but
    > their system WORKS. I am willing to pay for that... its a business
    > decision.
    >
    > Incidentally, there IS a posting of Verizon's PTT map on their site. If
    > you are on their PTT link, click the enhanced features map link. Here
    > is the link if you like:
    >

    http://www.verizonwireless.com/ics/...de=National&p_name=National Enhanced Services
    >
    >
    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]



    If this is a limited product, why is it the only product being advertised at
    this time. There are much better (and less expensive) ways of hitting
    target audiences than a couple of dozen national TV commercials a day. In
    fact, the advertising campaign proves that they are trying to make this an
    everyday consumer product. And even Nextel will tell you that this a truly
    a business application, with limited consumer uses.
  8. J A

    J A Guest

    >
    > If this is a limited product, why is it the only product being advertised at
    > this time. There are much better (and less expensive) ways of hitting
    > target audiences than a couple of dozen national TV commercials a day. In
    > fact, the advertising campaign proves that they are trying to make this an
    > everyday consumer product. And even Nextel will tell you that this a truly
    > a business application, with limited consumer uses.
    >
    >


    Because Verizon owns the market share in the straight vell phone
    business, would be my guess. A PTT service is the only new door left
    for voice products.

    When Verizon launches 1xEVDO, then the push on PTT will die down to a
    whisper, IMO, while theystart to try to take on ISP companies.

    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  9. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 22:01:35 -0000, scribedominik@hotmail.com (J A)
    wrote:

    >This is a general responce to several posts:
    >
    >I have been using Verizon's PTT for a few weeks now. YES, there is a


    I know how hard it is for some to read the TINY print at the bottom of
    a bullshit map, so I've typed it in because they took a picture of it
    to make it impossible to cut and paste BIGGER....

    It says, and I quote:

    >The map is not a guarantee of coverage and contains areas with no service.


    >The National Enhanced Services map shows approximately where national mobile to mobile rates and Enhanced Service apply and the America's ChoiceSM map shows approximately where rates apply based on our internal data. Wireless service is subject to netow

    rk and transmission limitations, including cell site unavailability, particularly near boundaries and in remote areas. Customer equipment, weather, topography and other environmental considerations associated with radio technology also affect service and
    service may vary significantly within buildings. Some information on service outside the Verizon Wireless proprietary network, although depicted as America's Choice, is based on information from other carriers or publicly available information, and we c
    an not vouch for its accuracy. With "all-digital" devices you can only make and receive calls when digital service is available on the America's Choice All-Digital Network and when roaming. When digital service is not available
    your device will not operate or be able to make 911 calls. Check the roam indicator on your phone to determine actual areas where service rates apply. When roam indicator is off, you're in the national mobile to mobile rate area. When roam indicator is
    on or flashing, your national mobile to mobile minutes do not apply.

    As you can plainly see, the map is simply another lie, like all the
    other maps and is NOT even close to a "coverage map" they keep back
    there in the vault so noone can see it.

    Just to set the record straight on this issue.....coverage maps.



    Larry W4CSC

    3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?
  10. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 22:31:50 -0000, scribedominik@hotmail.com (J A)
    wrote:

    >When Verizon launches 1xEVDO, then the push on PTT will die down to a
    >whisper, IMO, while theystart to try to take on ISP companies.
    >
    >[posted via phonescoop.com]


    Oh, we're all squishy in our jeans just waiting while holding our
    breaths.......

    More diversion of infrastructure funds away from the NETWORK
    DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM.



    Larry W4CSC

    3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?
  11. Larry W4CSC wrote:

    > On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 22:31:50 -0000, scribedominik@hotmail.com (J A)
    > wrote:
    >
    >>When Verizon launches 1xEVDO, then the push on PTT will die down to a
    >>whisper, IMO, while theystart to try to take on ISP companies.
    >>
    >>[posted via phonescoop.com]

    >
    > Oh, we're all squishy in our jeans just waiting while holding our
    > breaths.......
    >
    > More diversion of infrastructure funds away from the NETWORK
    > DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM.
    >
    >
    >
    > Larry W4CSC
    >
    > 3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    > gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    > conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?



    Well put- and it looks like an awfully big gamble.
  12. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

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    On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 01:55:30 GMT, Scott Stephenson
    <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote:

    >
    >
    >Well put- and it looks like an awfully big gamble.


    Thanks. Just another get-rich-quick scheme costing us towers and
    coverage.......like PTT, wap, internet, Get Money Now, etc.



    Larry W4CSC

    3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?
  13. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 22:07:30 GMT, Scott Stephenson
    <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >If this is a limited product, why is it the only product being advertised at
    >this time. There are much better (and less expensive) ways of hitting
    >target audiences than a couple of dozen national TV commercials a day. In
    >fact, the advertising campaign proves that they are trying to make this an
    >everyday consumer product. And even Nextel will tell you that this a truly
    >a business application, with limited consumer uses.


    Consumers determine what application has what consumer uses. Is being
    able to instantly send a text message all the way across the classroom
    a consumer use of a telephone network? Or sending a picture to your
    email box? According to consumers, they are.
  14. Mark Newton

    Mark Newton Guest

    I have had my PTT for about a week. I called and complained to Verizon's
    tech support and they said that they were working to improve the Barg call
    times. Once you are connected, the dealy is about 1 second or less. My Wife
    and I talk on the PTT a lot. After using it a few times the delay is hardly
    noticable.

    I am a little confused however why the 1X network seems to come and go even
    when the dignal appears to be full scale. I can be sitting at my desk and
    the 1X network is there and then it's not and then it's back. Very odd.


    Mark


    "J A" <scribedominik@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:vnc25vd9a3umb6@corp.supernews.com...
    > This is a general responce to several posts:
    >
    > I have been using Verizon's PTT for a few weeks now. YES, there is a
    > delay. However, the delay is only noticable in the initial connection
    > for a barge call. I prefer not to make everyone in a restaurant hear my
    > conversation, so I tend to use the alert much more often anyhow... which
    > makes the whole arguement of the "push to wait" idea rather moot.
    >
    > What most people dont stop to realize is that Verizon launched this as a
    > rather limited product for a limited customer segment. Its an add on to
    > their real product (their network) as much as Get it Now or Express
    > Network is. That is why we wnt with Verizon to begin with. We needed a
    > service that worked throughout the country, not in hit or miss places
    > like NexTel. Remember, with Nextel, if you are out of their radio
    > coverage, you are SOL for phone service too. Verizon IS expensive...
    > their phones ARE rather limited... and the Testdork IS annoying... but
    > their system WORKS. I am willing to pay for that... its a business
    > decision.
    >
    > Incidentally, there IS a posting of Verizon's PTT map on their site. If
    > you are on their PTT link, click the enhanced features map link. Here
    > is the link if you like:
    >

    http://www.verizonwireless.com/ics/plsql/coverage_maps.map_popup?p_mkt_code=
    National&p_name=National%20Enhanced%20Services
    >
    >
    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]
  15. P Howard

    P Howard Guest

    I didn't find that anywhere in the article I read.

    --
    Verizon customer/ formerly Cingular user/ formerly Sprint PCS user


    Scott Stephenson <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote in article
    <IqLbb.1509$qK1.1602945@news2.news.adelphia.net>:
    > P Howard wrote:
    > > Not quite sure what may lead you to that conclusion. Typically, if
    > > that's the case, a debt restructuring, debt refinancing or debt
    > > reduction item would be mentioned. A company has many options to raise
    > > funding on the secondary market. Different class bonds may all be
    > > issued and open at the same time. Similar to common vs preferred stock.
    > > You are correct that it may make sense to pay old debt before taking on
    > > new debt, but this is often not the case. They may be banking on the
    > > current strength of their stock to justify further leveraging themselves
    > > to investors. Could be a good move or a bad move... only time will
    > > tell.
    > >

    > Read the newswire- they retired 12.5% bonds with the 7% bonds they
    > bought- saved millions in interest.
    >


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  16. David S

    David S Guest

    On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 22:07:30 GMT, Scott Stephenson
    <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> chose to add this to the great equation
    of life, the universe, and everything:

    >If this is a limited product, why is it the only product being advertised at
    >this time.


    It isn't. I saw two commercials for PTT last Friday on A&E, but every other
    VZW commercial (with or without Four-Eyes) that I have seen before and
    since then was pushing unlimited n/w on AC.

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  17. Justa Lurker

    Justa Lurker Guest

    It was Wed, 24 Sep 2003 01:23:00 GMT, and nospam@home.com
    (Larry W4CSC) wrote in alt.cellular.verizon:
    | Did you all see the crawler on CNN today saying that Nextel
    | sued their asses for those false PTT ads? It's been on
    | intermittently all day on the financial channels, too.

    Lawsuits are easy. Winning is harder.

    JL


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