1. Welcome to Verizon Forums - the unofficial Verizon community! Have a question about Verizon? Click HERE to get started.
    Dismiss Notice
  2. Expecting Cell Phone Forums? We recently moved Verizon specific content to VerizonForums.com. If you previously had an account on CPF, it has been transferred!
    Dismiss Notice

It's not possible to use a CDMA phone a GSM network, is it?

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by About Dakota, Oct 7, 2003.

  1. About Dakota

    About Dakota Guest

    In the last few days, there have been local adds claiming that "Cellular
    One" customers can use thier existing CDMA wireless handsets to access
    GPRS/EDGE internet and voice capability on GSM providers such as
    T-Mobile, Cingular, and AT&T. The add also claims that Verizon Wireless
    CDMA phones do not include the added capability. I know for sure that
    almost every phone offered by "Cellular One" (Western Wireless) is also
    offered (or was offered in the past) by Verizon Wireless.

    Are there any grounds to this claim (Cellular One runs a CDMA system,
    there is no possibility they are GSM/TDMA/AMPS GAIT phones)? I have
    never heard of such before. I think it is probably some independent
    reseller trying to gain customers by false advertising.

    Any ideas?

    AD
     



    › See More: It's not possible to use a CDMA phone a GSM network, is it?
  2. In alt.cellular About Dakota <aboutdakota@removemehotmail.com> wrote:
    > In the last few days, there have been local adds claiming that "Cellular
    > One" customers can use thier existing CDMA wireless handsets to access
    > GPRS/EDGE internet and voice capability on GSM providers such as
    > T-Mobile, Cingular, and AT&T.


    As far as I know, that is an outright lie.

    > Are there any grounds to this claim (Cellular One runs a CDMA system,
    > there is no possibility they are GSM/TDMA/AMPS GAIT phones)?


    Wellll..... Western Wireless, owner of the CellularONE brand name and franchise
    rights, is CDMA.

    However, several CellularONE **FRANCHISEES** like Dobson Cellular are TDMA
    and migrating to GSM.

    > never heard of such before. I think it is probably some independent
    > reseller trying to gain customers by false advertising.


    Who runs the CellularONE network in your area?

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & Multimedia Services
    22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
    Steve Sobol, Proprietor
    888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * sjsobol@JustThe.net
     
  3. About Dakota

    About Dakota Guest

    > Who runs the CellularONE network in your area?

    The owner of the Cellular One Group, Western Wireless itself runs
    CellularONE here. However, they may not be running the ads, but I'm
    sure they are reaping the benefits of people who don't know any better.

    AD

    PS: I have heard from salesmen in the past that CDMA will work with GSM
    but GSM will not work with CDMA, thus making CDMA the obvious answer.
    However I beleive those were attempts to try to keep RCC Unicel from
    gaining ground against CellularONE (29.99 unlimited anytime local
    minutes, no contract required, I don't remember how much a SIM was, but
    not that expensive) because a lot of young people were starting to
    choose RCC Unicel because of the lack of contract and cheap local service.
     
  4. Hopper

    Hopper Guest

    "Steven J Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
    news:Z0SdnZ-H7Yw7nh6iXTWJlg@lmi.net...

    > Wellll..... Western Wireless, owner of the CellularONE brand name and

    franchise
    > rights, is CDMA.
    >
    > However, several CellularONE **FRANCHISEES** like Dobson Cellular are TDMA
    > and migrating to GSM.
    >


    Careful: self-link whoring ahead:
    http://www.meetmyattorney.com/cellular/archives/000302.html
     
  5. In alt.cellular About Dakota <aboutdakota@removemehotmail.com> wrote:
    >> Who runs the CellularONE network in your area?

    >
    > The owner of the Cellular One Group, Western Wireless itself runs
    > CellularONE here. However, they may not be running the ads, but I'm
    > sure they are reaping the benefits of people who don't know any better.


    I would say that you need to find out who's behind the ads if possible and
    get Western Wireless to act, FAST.

    They are most likely indirect agents and are almost certainly scumbags.

    WW in the past has had TDMA, but they migrated to CDMA about a year ago
    (ish). Sounds like the ads are promoting outright fraud, promising something
    that can't be done.

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & Multimedia Services
    22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
    Steve Sobol, Proprietor
    888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * sjsobol@JustThe.net
     
  6. In alt.cellular Hopper <crapfromusenet@meetmyattorney.com> wrote:
    >> Wellll..... Western Wireless, owner of the CellularONE brand name and

    > franchise
    >> rights, is CDMA.
    >>
    >> However, several CellularONE **FRANCHISEES** like Dobson Cellular are TDMA
    >> and migrating to GSM.
    >>

    >
    > Careful: self-link whoring ahead:
    > http://www.meetmyattorney.com/cellular/archives/000302.html


    Ok, WW is maintaining a GSM network for roamers. Makes sense, since they
    used to be TDMA and the TDMA/GSM franchisees probably have roaming agreements
    with them. What the advertiser is advertising is still false.

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & Multimedia Services
    22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
    Steve Sobol, Proprietor
    888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * sjsobol@JustThe.net
     
  7. William Bray

    William Bray Guest

    Sounds like confusing wording. It is always possible for everyone using
    cell phones to talk to each other, regardless of the type of technology
    their provider uses. This does not turn a CDMA phone into a GSM phone.

    Beyond that someone is whistling in the wind. The last thing I heard
    about EDGE was GSM only. Things can change.

    About Dakota <aboutdakota@REMOVEMEhotmail.com> wrote in article
    <3F82FF44.2000809@REMOVEMEhotmail.com>:
    > In the last few days, there have been local adds claiming that "Cellular
    > One" customers can use thier existing CDMA wireless handsets to access
    > GPRS/EDGE internet and voice capability on GSM providers such as
    > T-Mobile, Cingular, and AT&T. The add also claims that Verizon Wireless
    > CDMA phones do not include the added capability. I know for sure that
    > almost every phone offered by "Cellular One" (Western Wireless) is also
    > offered (or was offered in the past) by Verizon Wireless.
    >
    > Are there any grounds to this claim (Cellular One runs a CDMA system,
    > there is no possibility they are GSM/TDMA/AMPS GAIT phones)? I have
    > never heard of such before. I think it is probably some independent
    > reseller trying to gain customers by false advertising.
    >
    > Any ideas?
    >
    > AD
    >


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
     
  8. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:54:50 -0500, About Dakota
    <aboutdakota@REMOVEMEhotmail.com> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >PS: I have heard from salesmen in the past that CDMA will work with GSM
    >but GSM will not work with CDMA


    Outright hogwash. CDMA phones can't see GSM signals and GSM phones
    can't see CDMA signals.
     
  9. About Dakota

    About Dakota Guest

    Hopper wrote:
    > "Steven J Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
    > news:Z0SdnZ-H7Yw7nh6iXTWJlg@lmi.net...
    >
    >
    >>Wellll..... Western Wireless, owner of the CellularONE brand name and

    >
    > franchise
    >
    >>rights, is CDMA.
    >>
    >>However, several CellularONE **FRANCHISEES** like Dobson Cellular are TDMA
    >>and migrating to GSM.
    >>

    >
    >
    > Careful: self-link whoring ahead:
    > http://www.meetmyattorney.com/cellular/archives/000302.html


    I called Cingular customer care to ask about roaming with Western
    Wireless, and I was told that that press release was just that, a press
    release. There was no affirmative information, only talks "pending
    regulatory approval". The CS representative said the FCC probably will
    not approve the full terms of the agreement as it would give Western
    Wireless too much control in the rural markets, thereby prohibiting
    Cingular or T-Mobile themselves from actually branching out to those
    areas in the future. Plus, he also commented that AT&T Wireless also
    serves many markets that Western Wireless does, and that AT&T is already
    deploying GSM. He said there is a possibility that Western Wireless
    would blanket the west with GSM coverage, but it is a very minute
    possibility. I also asked him about coverage, and recommended getting a
    GAIT phone over a GSM phone, even if I am in the GSM covered areas. He
    said there's that extra bit of fall back, and if functionality over
    vanity is priority, the GAIT phones will work better than GSM.

    AD
     
  10. Jer

    Jer Guest

    Al Klein wrote:

    > On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:54:50 -0500, About Dakota
    > <aboutdakota@REMOVEMEhotmail.com> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:
    >
    >
    >>PS: I have heard from salesmen in the past that CDMA will work with GSM
    >>but GSM will not work with CDMA

    >
    >
    > Outright hogwash. CDMA phones can't see GSM signals and GSM phones
    > can't see CDMA signals.



    One question... What drugs is the salesperson on, and how much for a
    half ounce?


    --
    jer email reply - I am not a 'ten' ICQ = 35253273
    "All that we do is touched with ocean, yet we remain on the shore of
    what we know." -- Richard Wilbur
     
  11. Hopper

    Hopper Guest

    "About Dakota" <aboutdakota@REMOVEMEhotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:3F838549.7090705@REMOVEMEhotmail.com...

    >
    > I called Cingular customer care to ask about roaming with Western
    > Wireless, and I was told that that press release was just that, a press
    > release. There was no affirmative information, only talks "pending
    > regulatory approval". The CS representative said the FCC probably will
    > not approve the full terms of the agreement as it would give Western
    > Wireless too much control in the rural markets, thereby prohibiting
    > Cingular or T-Mobile themselves from actually branching out to those
    > areas in the future. Plus, he also commented that AT&T Wireless also
    > serves many markets that Western Wireless does, and that AT&T is already
    > deploying GSM. He said there is a possibility that Western Wireless
    > would blanket the west with GSM coverage, but it is a very minute
    > possibility. I also asked him about coverage, and recommended getting a
    > GAIT phone over a GSM phone, even if I am in the GSM covered areas. He
    > said there's that extra bit of fall back, and if functionality over
    > vanity is priority, the GAIT phones will work better than GSM.


    I will say this: that person is a fucking idiot. Nearly everything you were
    told is a lie.

    Here's some info directly from the carriers.
    Western Wireless and AT&T enter into GSM roaming agreement.
    http://www.westernwireless.com/PressRoom/8-July-2003.asp

    Western Wireless, T-Mobile and Cingular Infrastructure team up to provide
    GSM service in the western US:
    http://www.westernwireless.com/PressRoom/1-May-2003_2.asp
    http://www.cingular.com/about/latest_news/03_05_01
    http://www.t-mobile.com/company/pressroom/pressrelease70.asp

    Here's something that Andrew Shepherd, a regular contributor in the
    alt.cellular groups, sent me:
    http://tinyurl.com/o9pq

    That is their filings with the FCC. They interested parties are well on
    their way to building out GSM across the west. That is the state II filing.

    Here's the stage I filing with the FCC:
    https://wtbwww05.fcc.gov/default.sph/UlsQueryApp_IE.exe?FNC=from_app_list__A
    app_list_results_html___1871041.0___nosearch

    https://wtbwww05.fcc.gov/default.sph/UlsQueryApp_IE.exe?FNC=from_app_list__A
    app_list_results_html___1917697.0___nosearch

    Hopper

    --

    South Dakota Cellular Reviews and Info.
    Non-commercial, blunt.

    http://meetmyattorney.com/cellular/
     
  12. DEV

    DEV Guest

    I had signal while I was in Vietnam in 10 Jun 03. Didn't try to call
    though, just for fun turned it on and had 3 bars on an old Star-Tac.

    DEV

    On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 17:14:58 GMT, "Hopper"
    <crapfromusenet@meetmyattorney.com> wrote:

    >
    >"About Dakota" <aboutdakota@REMOVEMEhotmail.com> wrote in message
    >news:3F838549.7090705@REMOVEMEhotmail.com...
    >
    >>
    >> I called Cingular customer care to ask about roaming with Western
    >> Wireless, and I was told that that press release was just that, a press
    >> release. There was no affirmative information, only talks "pending
    >> regulatory approval". The CS representative said the FCC probably will
    >> not approve the full terms of the agreement as it would give Western
    >> Wireless too much control in the rural markets, thereby prohibiting
    >> Cingular or T-Mobile themselves from actually branching out to those
    >> areas in the future. Plus, he also commented that AT&T Wireless also
    >> serves many markets that Western Wireless does, and that AT&T is already
    >> deploying GSM. He said there is a possibility that Western Wireless
    >> would blanket the west with GSM coverage, but it is a very minute
    >> possibility. I also asked him about coverage, and recommended getting a
    >> GAIT phone over a GSM phone, even if I am in the GSM covered areas. He
    >> said there's that extra bit of fall back, and if functionality over
    >> vanity is priority, the GAIT phones will work better than GSM.

    >
    >I will say this: that person is a fucking idiot. Nearly everything you were
    >told is a lie.
    >
    >Here's some info directly from the carriers.
    >Western Wireless and AT&T enter into GSM roaming agreement.
    >http://www.westernwireless.com/PressRoom/8-July-2003.asp
    >
    >Western Wireless, T-Mobile and Cingular Infrastructure team up to provide
    >GSM service in the western US:
    >http://www.westernwireless.com/PressRoom/1-May-2003_2.asp
    >http://www.cingular.com/about/latest_news/03_05_01
    >http://www.t-mobile.com/company/pressroom/pressrelease70.asp
    >
    >Here's something that Andrew Shepherd, a regular contributor in the
    >alt.cellular groups, sent me:
    >http://tinyurl.com/o9pq
    >
    >That is their filings with the FCC. They interested parties are well on
    >their way to building out GSM across the west. That is the state II filing.
    >
    >Here's the stage I filing with the FCC:
    >https://wtbwww05.fcc.gov/default.sph/UlsQueryApp_IE.exe?FNC=from_app_list__A
    >app_list_results_html___1871041.0___nosearch
    >
    >https://wtbwww05.fcc.gov/default.sph/UlsQueryApp_IE.exe?FNC=from_app_list__A
    >app_list_results_html___1917697.0___nosearch
    >
    >Hopper
     
  13. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 22:41:09 -0500, Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> posted in
    alt.cellular.verizon:

    >Al Klein wrote:
    >> On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:54:50 -0500, About Dakota
    >> <aboutdakota@REMOVEMEhotmail.com> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:


    >>>PS: I have heard from salesmen in the past that CDMA will work with GSM
    >>>but GSM will not work with CDMA


    >> Outright hogwash. CDMA phones can't see GSM signals and GSM phones
    >> can't see CDMA signals.


    >One question... What drugs is the salesperson on, and how much for a
    >half ounce?


    Yeah, really.
     
  14. In alt.cellular Al Klein <rukbat@pern.org> wrote:

    >>One question... What drugs is the salesperson on, and how much for a
    >>half ounce?

    >
    > Yeah, really.


    Qualcomm IS in the process of developing a CDMA/GSM chipset, but I don't
    think it's been released yet and there are certainly no consumer products
    using it.

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & Multimedia Services
    22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
    Steve Sobol, Proprietor
    888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * sjsobol@JustThe.net
     
  15. matt weber

    matt weber Guest

    On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:07:23 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.org> wrote:

    >On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 22:41:09 -0500, Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> posted in
    >alt.cellular.verizon:
    >
    >>Al Klein wrote:
    >>> On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:54:50 -0500, About Dakota
    >>> <aboutdakota@REMOVEMEhotmail.com> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >
    >>>>PS: I have heard from salesmen in the past that CDMA will work with GSM
    >>>>but GSM will not work with CDMA

    >
    >>> Outright hogwash. CDMA phones can't see GSM signals and GSM phones
    >>> can't see CDMA signals.



    Not quite true, but not far from the truth either.

    CDMA see's GSM to the extent that the GSM signal drives up the noise
    floor and can reduce CDMA capacity, and GSM sees CDMA to the point
    that it may cause the GSM power levels to rise to maintain the signal
    to noise margins in the link, so each sees the other, but only as
    noise in the band.
     
  16. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:48:32 -0500, Steven J Sobol
    <sjsobol@JustThe.net> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >In alt.cellular Al Klein <rukbat@pern.org> wrote:
    >
    >>>One question... What drugs is the salesperson on, and how much for a
    >>>half ounce?

    >>
    >> Yeah, really.

    >
    >Qualcomm IS in the process of developing a CDMA/GSM chipset, but I don't
    >think it's been released yet and there are certainly no consumer products
    >using it.


    And that still wouldn't allow the phone to access a GSM site in CDMA
    mode.
     

Welcome to VerizonForums!

Unfortunately you can't reply until you log in or sign up.


Forgot your password?