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JD Power Rankings 2003 for Wireless Carriers

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by JT, Oct 3, 2003.

  1. Carl.

    Carl. Guest

    "N9WOS" <n9wos@nobug.worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
    news:OJ_fb.165501$0v4.12500335@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
    > > Not true. Let's take a look at Toyota and Ford, for example. One
    > > foreign (Japanese) and one domestic. Ford advertises much more than
    > > Toyota does in the United States, but Toyota has a better brand image.
    > > Toyota has higher standards than does Ford, thus conrtributing to the
    > > brand image.

    >
    > I'll have to disagree with that reference.


    I think Toyota has some kind of standard by which they don't sell vehicles
    with wheels that fall off or engines that stall when the blinker is turned
    on, but I guess that's all subjective, eh?

    > I have been perfectly satisfied with ford cars and trucks.


    Talk about a non-scientific poll!


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  2. Justin Green

    Justin Green Guest

    "Carl." <KronkKronk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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    > "N9WOS" <n9wos@nobug.worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
    > news:OJ_fb.165501$0v4.12500335@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
    > > > Not true. Let's take a look at Toyota and Ford, for example. One
    > > > foreign (Japanese) and one domestic. Ford advertises much more than
    > > > Toyota does in the United States, but Toyota has a better brand image.
    > > > Toyota has higher standards than does Ford, thus conrtributing to the
    > > > brand image.

    > >
    > > I'll have to disagree with that reference.

    >
    > I think Toyota has some kind of standard by which they don't sell vehicles
    > with wheels that fall off or engines that stall when the blinker is turned
    > on, but I guess that's all subjective, eh?
    >
    > > I have been perfectly satisfied with ford cars and trucks.

    >
    > Talk about a non-scientific poll!
    >
    >
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    As long as no one cites the Consumer Reports studies, we'll be OK. Consumer
    reports conssitently has an anti-American product bias in the motor vehicle
    arena.
  3. N9WOS

    N9WOS Guest

    > I think Toyota has some kind of standard by which they don't sell vehicles
    > with wheels that fall off or engines that stall when the blinker is turned
    > on, but I guess that's all subjective, eh?


    Yes, they have standards for operation that I must agree
    is quite good, but that doesn't help when you have to work on them.
    Who ever designed the things should be forced to actually work on
    what he designed.

    The torsion bar suspension on the front of their pickups is god awful.
    Trying to relive the force on the torsion bar to remove it is almost life
    threatening.
    And you have to do that when ever you need to replace the bushings on the
    front end.

    The high maintenance items are not located in easy reach.
    The drive shaft mounting method on their four wheel drives
    is questionable.
    The block that the transmission side of the drive shaft is bolted
    to the transmission output shaft with four small bolts.
    If you strain the shaft, the shaft doesn't break, the four bolts shear
    off, and getting the stubs out is horrible.
    There is no clearance in general around the back part of the engine.
    That makes working on certain things very hard.

    (ie) They are not designed for easy maintenance throughout their life.
    That is what I classify as a throw away car.
  4. Carl.

    Carl. Guest

    "N9WOS" <n9wos@nobug.worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
    news:Gx0gb.170437$3o3.12452308@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
    > > I think Toyota has some kind of standard by which they don't sell

    vehicles
    > > with wheels that fall off or engines that stall when the blinker is

    turned
    > > on, but I guess that's all subjective, eh?

    >
    > Yes, they have standards for operation that I must agree
    > is quite good, but that doesn't help when you have to work on them.
    > Who ever designed the things should be forced to actually work on
    > what he designed.


    I'll just assume you know what you're talking about, because repairs are not
    my arena.

    (shamelessly prolonging off-topic discussion)
    Any comment on repairing Mazdas? Cars or truck.


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  5. N9WOS

    N9WOS Guest


    > (shamelessly prolonging off-topic discussion)
    > Any comment on repairing Mazdas? Cars or truck.


    That is one brand that I haven't seen around the neighborhood.
    I wouldn't have the foggiest idea of how good how they are built.
  6. Phill.

    Phill. Guest

    In article <vo0rktb8m7qbe1@corp.supernews.com>,
    "Justin Green" <justin@cjteam.com> wrote:

    >
    > "Phill." <Pearl@oyster.com> wrote in message
    > news:pearl-6902EC.14125205102003@news04.east.earthlink.net...
    > > In article <vo0cn7cba4dkf7@corp.supernews.com>, mrt@hotmail.com (Mr T)
    > > wrote:
    > >
    > > > I didn't say anything about a study. It must take some "REAL" research
    > > > to list all the carriers in Alphabetical order on the left of the page
    > > > and put a couple of them to the right of the page and say these are the
    > > > best. That survey is a heap of crap unless they go into DETAILS.

    > >
    > >
    > > They lose their competitive edge if they completely lay out how they do
    > > their survey. Sorry it ain't gonna happen. The rest of the world (except
    > > SprintPCS apologists) accept the independent unbiased result that
    > > Sprint's Customer Service is dead last.
    > >
    > > Except now someone in the Sprint forum will ask "How come they're also
    > > questioning the study in the Verizon forum", ignoring the fact its the
    > > same "IN TOTAL DENIAL" SprintPCS apologists. Even SprintPCS' president
    > > Lauer has said there's a problem with Customer Service.

    >
    >
    > Not too mention Mr. T apparently didn't see the list that had Sprint rates
    > as LAST.


    and Master T was one of those posting over in the Verizon forum.
  7. Phill.

    Phill. Guest

    In article <LN0gb.53065$_N1.1439@twister.austin.rr.com>,
    "Carl." <KronkKronk@hotmail.com> wrote:

    > "N9WOS" <n9wos@nobug.worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
    > news:Gx0gb.170437$3o3.12452308@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
    > > > I think Toyota has some kind of standard by which they don't sell

    > vehicles
    > > > with wheels that fall off or engines that stall when the blinker is

    > turned
    > > > on, but I guess that's all subjective, eh?

    > >
    > > Yes, they have standards for operation that I must agree
    > > is quite good, but that doesn't help when you have to work on them.
    > > Who ever designed the things should be forced to actually work on
    > > what he designed.


    He who floats, sands.

    Maybe the marketing folks who make the grossly exagerated coverage maps
    should explain the holes to the FCC and the FTC; and justify their cell
    companies keeping their license.
  8. Justin

    Justin Guest

    "Steven M. Scharf" <scharf.steven@linkearth.net> wrote in message
    news:sVegb.69$av5.58@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    >
    > "Justin Green" <justin@cjteam.com> wrote in message
    > news:vo0u79jfaj7dcb@corp.supernews.com...
    >
    > > Asian cars are generally not designed to go without maintenence (not

    > saying
    > > you weren't changing your oil). American cars are much better at going

    > past
    > > the oil change limits, tune-ups, etc. They're built for people who

    forget
    > > these things every once in a while. Asian cars aren't built with such
    > > forgiveness.

    >
    > Exactly the opposite is true. With American cars you need to stick to
    > the maintenance schedule, while with a Toyota or Honda you are far
    > more likely to get away with something like lack of oil changes. Try not
    > changing oil on a Saturn for 10K miles--you won't have to bother to
    > drain the oil as there won't be any left.
    >
    > Ask any independent mechanic whether a Toyota Corolla or a Ford
    > Escort will endure abuse better.
    >
    >


    Well, you might ask Ed Wallace. He's the one I heard this from, and he's
    been in the car reviewing business for decades.
  9. "Justin Green" <justin@cjteam.com> wrote in message
    news:vo0u79jfaj7dcb@corp.supernews.com...

    > Asian cars are generally not designed to go without maintenence (not

    saying
    > you weren't changing your oil). American cars are much better at going

    past
    > the oil change limits, tune-ups, etc. They're built for people who forget
    > these things every once in a while. Asian cars aren't built with such
    > forgiveness.


    Exactly the opposite is true. With American cars you need to stick to
    the maintenance schedule, while with a Toyota or Honda you are far
    more likely to get away with something like lack of oil changes. Try not
    changing oil on a Saturn for 10K miles--you won't have to bother to
    drain the oil as there won't be any left.

    Ask any independent mechanic whether a Toyota Corolla or a Ford
    Escort will endure abuse better.
  10. "Justin Green" <justin@cjteam.com> wrote in message
    news:vo1493mc5c5s52@corp.supernews.com...

    > As long as no one cites the Consumer Reports studies, we'll be OK.

    Consumer
    > reports conssitently has an anti-American product bias in the motor

    vehicle
    > arena.


    CR consistently recommends American products. Honda Accord and Toyota Camry
    are always in their top picks for mid-size cars. Trucks from the so-called
    U.S.
    manufacturers are also usually top rated. You can't get much more American
    than
    an Accord, Camry, or Tacoma!
  11. "mitchell friend" <mitch_44@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:vnun3f2jlcnb53@corp.supernews.com...
    > they are a for profit company who makes money off companys they do
    > surveys on,who ever pays the most gets best deal.surveys they do are
    > always a joke,stuff ends up with recalls,or is taken off the market,or
    > doesnt sell a lot of.
    >


    Keep in mind that Justin's claim to fame is Sprint PCS bashing and trolling
    along other posters of alt.cellular.sprintpcs. He is one of the most
    plonked members there. He was *wronged* by SprintPCS and has been flush his
    toilet into that newsgroup ever since. He has been using that JD Powers
    report (along with Phillipe, aka Richard, aka Phill., aka P.Reality ....) as
    his foundation and having it discreditted will destroy this guy's soul.

    BTW ... Justin used Verizon for about one day and returned his phones, so he
    has no interest in Verizon, either as a previous customer, current customer
    or as a potential future customer.

    Tom Veldhouse
  12. William Bray

    William Bray Guest

    I love this metaphor.
    JD Powers, as anyone can tell by either walking into their office or
    checking their website, is a for-profit organization. Any outfit that
    turns out this stuff always gets kickbacks, either in direct funding or
    in free commercial support (I gave an example of this). Their reports
    are highly subjective. You ask for proof and then blindly provide it.
    I stand by my statement. Their reports are not fully trustworthy- no
    one's is.

    Is this particular report really about who provides the best service or
    who has the best public image? I failed to get anything from this
    report that had anything to do with service. This report was regarding
    who they thought would have the largest churn when portability kicks in.

    Millions of people are not, for example, going to flee from Cingular to
    join Verizon.
    Who works the most most on their public image? You get one guess. Can
    you hear me now? I almost rolled out of my chair laughing when I saw
    that Verizon kept coming out on top when it came to image- What does
    that have to do with actual service?
    As for a few choice friends who don't like my credibility- So? I guess
    I have a very short way to fall. JD Powers is a large corporation
    which. It is not my interest to tear them down, too much shit would be
    left to clean up afterwords. I'll stick by my opinion on this one.
    By the way, US Cellular just got St Louis and Oklahoma for CDMA
    coverage, so their ratings will go up.

    "Phill." <Pearl@oyster.com> wrote in article
    <Pearl-530BE0.03595706102003@news02.west.earthlink.net>:
    > In article <LN0gb.53065$_N1.1439@twister.austin.rr.com>,
    > "Carl." <KronkKronk@hotmail.com> wrote:
    >
    > > "N9WOS" <n9wos@nobug.worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
    > > news:Gx0gb.170437$3o3.12452308@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
    > > > > I think Toyota has some kind of standard by which they don't sell

    > > vehicles
    > > > > with wheels that fall off or engines that stall when the blinker is

    > > turned
    > > > > on, but I guess that's all subjective, eh?
    > > >
    > > > Yes, they have standards for operation that I must agree
    > > > is quite good, but that doesn't help when you have to work on them.
    > > > Who ever designed the things should be forced to actually work on
    > > > what he designed.

    >
    > He who floats, sands.
    >
    > Maybe the marketing folks who make the grossly exagerated coverage maps
    > should explain the holes to the FCC and the FTC; and justify their cell
    > companies keeping their license.


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  13. mariaf

    mariaf Guest

    On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:27:44 -0000, isocom79@hotmail.com (David
    Domanski) wrote:
    >
    >Not to mention most EVERY local newspaper releases consumer surveys on
    >who THEY think is best and consistently Verizon is ranked number One.
    >


    Yup, people just can't seem to get over that fact. They come up with
    all the excuses how JD is biased and all of this shit but sadly the
    fucking research is true. Sprint has the worst customer service. They
    are dead on accurate. Verizon is King!
  14. Justin Green

    Justin Green Guest

    "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:3f81c2aa$0$41289$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com...
    >
    > "mitchell friend" <mitch_44@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > news:vnun3f2jlcnb53@corp.supernews.com...
    > > they are a for profit company who makes money off companys they do
    > > surveys on,who ever pays the most gets best deal.surveys they do are
    > > always a joke,stuff ends up with recalls,or is taken off the market,or
    > > doesnt sell a lot of.
    > >

    >
    > Keep in mind that Justin's claim to fame is Sprint PCS bashing and

    trolling
    > along other posters of alt.cellular.sprintpcs. He is one of the most
    > plonked members there. He was *wronged* by SprintPCS and has been flush

    his
    > toilet into that newsgroup ever since. He has been using that JD Powers
    > report (along with Phillipe, aka Richard, aka Phill., aka P.Reality ....)

    as
    > his foundation and having it discreditted will destroy this guy's soul.
    >
    > BTW ... Justin used Verizon for about one day and returned his phones, so

    he
    > has no interest in Verizon, either as a previous customer, current

    customer
    > or as a potential future customer.
    >
    > Tom Veldhouse
    >
    >


    Bear in mind Tom calls people liars, then plonks them, the runs to other
    forums to talk about them. Way to be a man, Tom.
  15. Justin Green

    Justin Green Guest

    "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:3f81c2aa$0$41289$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com...
    >
    > "mitchell friend" <mitch_44@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > news:vnun3f2jlcnb53@corp.supernews.com...
    > > they are a for profit company who makes money off companys they do
    > > surveys on,who ever pays the most gets best deal.surveys they do are
    > > always a joke,stuff ends up with recalls,or is taken off the market,or
    > > doesnt sell a lot of.
    > >

    >
    > Keep in mind that Justin's claim to fame is Sprint PCS bashing and

    trolling
    > along other posters of alt.cellular.sprintpcs. He is one of the most
    > plonked members there. He was *wronged* by SprintPCS and has been flush

    his
    > toilet into that newsgroup ever since. He has been using that JD Powers
    > report (along with Phillipe, aka Richard, aka Phill., aka P.Reality ....)

    as
    > his foundation and having it discreditted will destroy this guy's soul.
    >
    > BTW ... Justin used Verizon for about one day and returned his phones, so

    he
    > has no interest in Verizon, either as a previous customer, current

    customer
    > or as a potential future customer.
    >
    > Tom Veldhouse
    >
    >


    Also, keep in mind that this was cross posted to several forums, you
    dipshit.
  16. Justin Green

    Justin Green Guest

    "Steven M. Scharf" <scharf.steven@linkearth.net> wrote in message
    news:gXegb.71$av5.58@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    >
    > "Justin Green" <justin@cjteam.com> wrote in message
    > news:vo1493mc5c5s52@corp.supernews.com...
    >
    > > As long as no one cites the Consumer Reports studies, we'll be OK.

    > Consumer
    > > reports conssitently has an anti-American product bias in the motor

    > vehicle
    > > arena.

    >
    > CR consistently recommends American products. Honda Accord and Toyota

    Camry
    > are always in their top picks for mid-size cars. Trucks from the so-called
    > U.S.
    > manufacturers are also usually top rated. You can't get much more American
    > than
    > an Accord, Camry, or Tacoma!


    Well, I was referring to Dodge, GM, and Ford. Not that they don't deserve
    to be rated low or anything, it just seems that they consistently get beat
    up by CR.
  17. Justin Green

    Justin Green Guest

    "William Bray" <wmbray@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:vo3t06s01vj267@corp.supernews.com...
    > I love this metaphor.
    > JD Powers, as anyone can tell by either walking into their office or
    > checking their website, is a for-profit organization. Any outfit that
    > turns out this stuff always gets kickbacks, either in direct funding or
    > in free commercial support (I gave an example of this). Their reports
    > are highly subjective. You ask for proof and then blindly provide it.
    > I stand by my statement. Their reports are not fully trustworthy- no
    > one's is.


    Then why bother with them? Also, I've seen several people make the claim
    that they get paid to rate companies highly, as you have just claimed. Do
    any of you have a source for that claim? It's pretty serious.



    > Is this particular report really about who provides the best service or
    > who has the best public image? I failed to get anything from this
    > report that had anything to do with service. This report was regarding
    > who they thought would have the largest churn when portability kicks in.
    >
    > Millions of people are not, for example, going to flee from Cingular to
    > join Verizon.
    > Who works the most most on their public image? You get one guess. Can
    > you hear me now? I almost rolled out of my chair laughing when I saw
    > that Verizon kept coming out on top when it came to image- What does
    > that have to do with actual service?
    > As for a few choice friends who don't like my credibility- So? I guess
    > I have a very short way to fall. JD Powers is a large corporation
    > which. It is not my interest to tear them down, too much shit would be
    > left to clean up afterwords. I'll stick by my opinion on this one.
    > By the way, US Cellular just got St Louis and Oklahoma for CDMA
    > coverage, so their ratings will go up.
    >
    > "Phill." <Pearl@oyster.com> wrote in article
    > <Pearl-530BE0.03595706102003@news02.west.earthlink.net>:
    > > In article <LN0gb.53065$_N1.1439@twister.austin.rr.com>,
    > > "Carl." <KronkKronk@hotmail.com> wrote:
    > >
    > > > "N9WOS" <n9wos@nobug.worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
    > > > news:Gx0gb.170437$3o3.12452308@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
    > > > > > I think Toyota has some kind of standard by which they don't sell
    > > > vehicles
    > > > > > with wheels that fall off or engines that stall when the blinker

    is
    > > > turned
    > > > > > on, but I guess that's all subjective, eh?
    > > > >
    > > > > Yes, they have standards for operation that I must agree
    > > > > is quite good, but that doesn't help when you have to work on them.
    > > > > Who ever designed the things should be forced to actually work on
    > > > > what he designed.

    > >
    > > He who floats, sands.
    > >
    > > Maybe the marketing folks who make the grossly exagerated coverage maps
    > > should explain the holes to the FCC and the FTC; and justify their cell
    > > companies keeping their license.

    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com]
  18. Justin Green

    Justin Green Guest

    "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:3f81c2aa$0$41289$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com...
    >
    > "mitchell friend" <mitch_44@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > news:vnun3f2jlcnb53@corp.supernews.com...
    > > they are a for profit company who makes money off companys they do
    > > surveys on,who ever pays the most gets best deal.surveys they do are
    > > always a joke,stuff ends up with recalls,or is taken off the market,or
    > > doesnt sell a lot of.
    > >

    >
    > Keep in mind that Justin's claim to fame is Sprint PCS bashing and

    trolling
    > along other posters of alt.cellular.sprintpcs. He is one of the most
    > plonked members there. He was *wronged* by SprintPCS and has been flush

    his
    > toilet into that newsgroup ever since. He has been using that JD Powers
    > report (along with Phillipe, aka Richard, aka Phill., aka P.Reality ....)

    as
    > his foundation and having it discreditted will destroy this guy's soul.
    >
    > BTW ... Justin used Verizon for about one day and returned his phones, so

    he
    > has no interest in Verizon, either as a previous customer, current

    customer
    > or as a potential future customer.
    >
    > Tom Veldhouse
    >
    >


    No response? Typical. Why not take this back to the Sprint forum and face
    me like a man? Coward.
  19. William Bray

    William Bray Guest

    This is a simple marketing strategy, not a violation of any law. The
    best way to get your product sold today is to go to JD Powers. If they
    smile at you then you better make sure that the rest of the world knows
    it. Only a fool would ignore making a noise about getting the JD Powers
    seal of approval. This ranks far higher than getting Consumer Reports
    on your side.
    The more folks like and trust the results of JD Powers the more business
    will be brought to them. It is a simple and straight forward marketing
    tactic. I know some cell phone users who hang on every word of certain
    cell phone users. This is not wrong, but it is unrealistic to make your
    every breath rest solely on one person or on organization's claims.
    I do not contest this group's decisions, I simply have a different
    criteria. Are you aware that if we simply went by alt.Sprint we would
    think Sprint is doomed? There are other resources out there. Do your
    own research.
    As for the proof of my claim it is in the pudding itself. Open your
    eyes and enjoy what you see. It is up to you what spin you want to
    attach to what is there in plain sight.
    Someone suggested that I was annoyed that JD Powers did not vote in a
    way that I liked. Nonsense, the service provider I use still ranks very
    high up there, just not for the reasons given in this report. JD is a
    voice for public influence. It is not public influence in and of
    itself. Do not give them credit they don't deserve. We are the public,
    they are an agency. May they have a long and successful carrier. Who
    knows, you may end up working for them.

    "Justin Green" <justin@cjteam.com> wrote in article
    <vo4bllhckeos1b@corp.supernews.com>:
    >
    > "William Bray" <wmbray@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:vo3t06s01vj267@corp.supernews.com...
    > > I love this metaphor.
    > > JD Powers, as anyone can tell by either walking into their office or
    > > checking their website, is a for-profit organization. Any outfit that
    > > turns out this stuff always gets kickbacks, either in direct funding or
    > > in free commercial support (I gave an example of this). Their reports
    > > are highly subjective. You ask for proof and then blindly provide it.
    > > I stand by my statement. Their reports are not fully trustworthy- no
    > > one's is.

    >
    > Then why bother with them? Also, I've seen several people make the claim
    > that they get paid to rate companies highly, as you have just claimed. Do
    > any of you have a source for that claim? It's pretty serious.
    >
    >
    >
    > > Is this particular report really about who provides the best service or
    > > who has the best public image? I failed to get anything from this
    > > report that had anything to do with service. This report was regarding
    > > who they thought would have the largest churn when portability kicks in.
    > >
    > > Millions of people are not, for example, going to flee from Cingular to
    > > join Verizon.
    > > Who works the most most on their public image? You get one guess. Can
    > > you hear me now? I almost rolled out of my chair laughing when I saw
    > > that Verizon kept coming out on top when it came to image- What does
    > > that have to do with actual service?
    > > As for a few choice friends who don't like my credibility- So? I guess
    > > I have a very short way to fall. JD Powers is a large corporation
    > > which. It is not my interest to tear them down, too much shit would be
    > > left to clean up afterwords. I'll stick by my opinion on this one.
    > > By the way, US Cellular just got St Louis and Oklahoma for CDMA
    > > coverage, so their ratings will go up.
    > >
    > > "Phill." <Pearl@oyster.com> wrote in article
    > > <Pearl-530BE0.03595706102003@news02.west.earthlink.net>:
    > > > In article <LN0gb.53065$_N1.1439@twister.austin.rr.com>,
    > > > "Carl." <KronkKronk@hotmail.com> wrote:
    > > >
    > > > > "N9WOS" <n9wos@nobug.worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
    > > > > news:Gx0gb.170437$3o3.12452308@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
    > > > > > > I think Toyota has some kind of standard by which they don't sell
    > > > > vehicles
    > > > > > > with wheels that fall off or engines that stall when the blinker

    > is
    > > > > turned
    > > > > > > on, but I guess that's all subjective, eh?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Yes, they have standards for operation that I must agree
    > > > > > is quite good, but that doesn't help when you have to work on them.
    > > > > > Who ever designed the things should be forced to actually work on
    > > > > > what he designed.
    > > >
    > > > He who floats, sands.
    > > >
    > > > Maybe the marketing folks who make the grossly exagerated coverage maps
    > > > should explain the holes to the FCC and the FTC; and justify their cell
    > > > companies keeping their license.

    > >
    > > [posted via phonescoop.com]

    >
    >


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  20. Justin Green

    Justin Green Guest

    "William Bray" <wmbray@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:vo4hf2pmi8me30@corp.supernews.com...
    > This is a simple marketing strategy, not a violation of any law. The
    > best way to get your product sold today is to go to JD Powers. If they
    > smile at you then you better make sure that the rest of the world knows
    > it. Only a fool would ignore making a noise about getting the JD Powers
    > seal of approval. This ranks far higher than getting Consumer Reports
    > on your side.
    > The more folks like and trust the results of JD Powers the more business
    > will be brought to them. It is a simple and straight forward marketing
    > tactic. I know some cell phone users who hang on every word of certain
    > cell phone users. This is not wrong, but it is unrealistic to make your
    > every breath rest solely on one person or on organization's claims.
    > I do not contest this group's decisions, I simply have a different
    > criteria. Are you aware that if we simply went by alt.Sprint we would
    > think Sprint is doomed? There are other resources out there. Do your
    > own research.
    > As for the proof of my claim it is in the pudding itself. Open your
    > eyes and enjoy what you see. It is up to you what spin you want to
    > attach to what is there in plain sight.
    > Someone suggested that I was annoyed that JD Powers did not vote in a
    > way that I liked. Nonsense, the service provider I use still ranks very
    > high up there, just not for the reasons given in this report. JD is a
    > voice for public influence. It is not public influence in and of
    > itself. Do not give them credit they don't deserve. We are the public,
    > they are an agency. May they have a long and successful carrier. Who
    > knows, you may end up working for them.



    All I'm asking is that you back up your claims. I'm an open minded
    individual and will read what you post, but honestly, between you and JD
    Powers, I'll take JD Powers' word.

    If you post a story or two that support your claims, I'll be open to
    changing my mind.

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