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July 5th

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Diamond Dave, Jul 4, 2004.

  1. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@justthe.net> wrote:
    : Andrew <usenetMYSHOES@bizavemyshoes.com> wrote:
    :
    : > Yeah, it's called an "observed holiday". Most people have off work,
    : > city parking is free, government offices and many business are
    : > closed. What's interesting is that nowhere on Verizon's website (I
    : > hunted for a few minutes) could I find a list of what they consider
    : > "holidays" in regards to peak/off-peak minutes. And the FAQ link on
    : > their homepage is busted - it just takes you back to their home page.
    : > (Don't tell me "Which holidays do you consider "off-peak" holidays?"
    : > isn't a Frequently-asked Question.)
    : >
    : > Now how much extra money will Verizon make if people use their phones
    : > today thinking it's an off-peak day and then wind up going over their
    : > minutes for the month?

    : The only point I'm willing to concede to you is that the list should
    : be posted somewhere (Google for it, it's been posted here, but it
    : should be on VZW's website). Not treating an observed holiday as
    : offpeak isn't inherently unethical. Unless, of course, you want to
    : claim that VZW should be treating the monday on which we celebrate
    : MLK's birthday as offpeak. Or President's Day. Neither of those
    : days are billed offpeak.

    Was July 4th an off-peak last year, when it wasn't on Sunday? (I
    wasn't a Verizon customer last July 4th.) If so, it should be this
    year, unless they make a special announcement that things have changed
    this year. July 5th is the observed July 4th holiday, so it should be
    treated the same as if it were indeed July 4th. FWIW, I think July
    4th was off-peak with AT&T last year when I was their customer...

    The list of holidays should be clearly stated and it should be
    consistent - that's all I ask. It should be not only listed on their
    website - it should be on their HOME PAGE on or near the day in
    question stating, "Reminder: July 5th is a PEAK day!" But what are
    the chances Verizon would put such a notice up as a service to their
    customers? All that would do is cost them lost revenue.

    Andrew
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  2. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@justthe.net> wrote:
    : Andrew <usenetMYSHOES@bizavemyshoes.com> wrote:
    :
    : > Yeah, it's called an "observed holiday". Most people have off work,
    : > city parking is free, government offices and many business are
    : > closed. What's interesting is that nowhere on Verizon's website (I
    : > hunted for a few minutes) could I find a list of what they consider
    : > "holidays" in regards to peak/off-peak minutes. And the FAQ link on
    : > their homepage is busted - it just takes you back to their home page.
    : > (Don't tell me "Which holidays do you consider "off-peak" holidays?"
    : > isn't a Frequently-asked Question.)
    : >
    : > Now how much extra money will Verizon make if people use their phones
    : > today thinking it's an off-peak day and then wind up going over their
    : > minutes for the month?

    : The only point I'm willing to concede to you is that the list should
    : be posted somewhere (Google for it, it's been posted here, but it
    : should be on VZW's website). Not treating an observed holiday as
    : offpeak isn't inherently unethical. Unless, of course, you want to
    : claim that VZW should be treating the monday on which we celebrate
    : MLK's birthday as offpeak. Or President's Day. Neither of those
    : days are billed offpeak.

    Was July 4th an off-peak last year, when it wasn't on Sunday? (I
    wasn't a Verizon customer last July 4th.) If so, it should be this
    year, unless they make a special announcement that things have changed
    this year. July 5th is the observed July 4th holiday, so it should be
    treated the same as if it were indeed July 4th. FWIW, I think July
    4th was off-peak with AT&T last year when I was their customer...

    The list of holidays should be clearly stated and it should be
    consistent - that's all I ask. It should be not only listed on their
    website - it should be on their HOME PAGE on or near the day in
    question stating, "Reminder: July 5th is a PEAK day!" But what are
    the chances Verizon would put such a notice up as a service to their
    customers? All that would do is cost them lost revenue.

    Andrew
    --
    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
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    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
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  3. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@justthe.net> wrote:
    : Andrew <usenetMYSHOES@bizavemyshoes.com> wrote:
    :
    : > Yeah, it's called an "observed holiday". Most people have off work,
    : > city parking is free, government offices and many business are
    : > closed. What's interesting is that nowhere on Verizon's website (I
    : > hunted for a few minutes) could I find a list of what they consider
    : > "holidays" in regards to peak/off-peak minutes. And the FAQ link on
    : > their homepage is busted - it just takes you back to their home page.
    : > (Don't tell me "Which holidays do you consider "off-peak" holidays?"
    : > isn't a Frequently-asked Question.)
    : >
    : > Now how much extra money will Verizon make if people use their phones
    : > today thinking it's an off-peak day and then wind up going over their
    : > minutes for the month?

    : The only point I'm willing to concede to you is that the list should
    : be posted somewhere (Google for it, it's been posted here, but it
    : should be on VZW's website). Not treating an observed holiday as
    : offpeak isn't inherently unethical. Unless, of course, you want to
    : claim that VZW should be treating the monday on which we celebrate
    : MLK's birthday as offpeak. Or President's Day. Neither of those
    : days are billed offpeak.

    Was July 4th an off-peak last year, when it wasn't on Sunday? (I
    wasn't a Verizon customer last July 4th.) If so, it should be this
    year, unless they make a special announcement that things have changed
    this year. July 5th is the observed July 4th holiday, so it should be
    treated the same as if it were indeed July 4th. FWIW, I think July
    4th was off-peak with AT&T last year when I was their customer...

    The list of holidays should be clearly stated and it should be
    consistent - that's all I ask. It should be not only listed on their
    website - it should be on their HOME PAGE on or near the day in
    question stating, "Reminder: July 5th is a PEAK day!" But what are
    the chances Verizon would put such a notice up as a service to their
    customers? All that would do is cost them lost revenue.

    Andrew
    --
    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
    *******************************************************************
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    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
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  4. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@justthe.net> wrote:
    : Andrew <usenetMYSHOES@bizavemyshoes.com> wrote:
    :
    : > Yeah, it's called an "observed holiday". Most people have off work,
    : > city parking is free, government offices and many business are
    : > closed. What's interesting is that nowhere on Verizon's website (I
    : > hunted for a few minutes) could I find a list of what they consider
    : > "holidays" in regards to peak/off-peak minutes. And the FAQ link on
    : > their homepage is busted - it just takes you back to their home page.
    : > (Don't tell me "Which holidays do you consider "off-peak" holidays?"
    : > isn't a Frequently-asked Question.)
    : >
    : > Now how much extra money will Verizon make if people use their phones
    : > today thinking it's an off-peak day and then wind up going over their
    : > minutes for the month?

    : The only point I'm willing to concede to you is that the list should
    : be posted somewhere (Google for it, it's been posted here, but it
    : should be on VZW's website). Not treating an observed holiday as
    : offpeak isn't inherently unethical. Unless, of course, you want to
    : claim that VZW should be treating the monday on which we celebrate
    : MLK's birthday as offpeak. Or President's Day. Neither of those
    : days are billed offpeak.

    Was July 4th an off-peak last year, when it wasn't on Sunday? (I
    wasn't a Verizon customer last July 4th.) If so, it should be this
    year, unless they make a special announcement that things have changed
    this year. July 5th is the observed July 4th holiday, so it should be
    treated the same as if it were indeed July 4th. FWIW, I think July
    4th was off-peak with AT&T last year when I was their customer...

    The list of holidays should be clearly stated and it should be
    consistent - that's all I ask. It should be not only listed on their
    website - it should be on their HOME PAGE on or near the day in
    question stating, "Reminder: July 5th is a PEAK day!" But what are
    the chances Verizon would put such a notice up as a service to their
    customers? All that would do is cost them lost revenue.

    Andrew
    --
    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
    *******************************************************************
    ----> http://www.bizave.com <---- Photo Albums and Portland Info
    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
    *******************************************************************
     
  5. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@justthe.net> wrote:
    : Andrew <usenetMYSHOES@bizavemyshoes.com> wrote:
    :
    : > Yeah, it's called an "observed holiday". Most people have off work,
    : > city parking is free, government offices and many business are
    : > closed. What's interesting is that nowhere on Verizon's website (I
    : > hunted for a few minutes) could I find a list of what they consider
    : > "holidays" in regards to peak/off-peak minutes. And the FAQ link on
    : > their homepage is busted - it just takes you back to their home page.
    : > (Don't tell me "Which holidays do you consider "off-peak" holidays?"
    : > isn't a Frequently-asked Question.)
    : >
    : > Now how much extra money will Verizon make if people use their phones
    : > today thinking it's an off-peak day and then wind up going over their
    : > minutes for the month?

    : The only point I'm willing to concede to you is that the list should
    : be posted somewhere (Google for it, it's been posted here, but it
    : should be on VZW's website). Not treating an observed holiday as
    : offpeak isn't inherently unethical. Unless, of course, you want to
    : claim that VZW should be treating the monday on which we celebrate
    : MLK's birthday as offpeak. Or President's Day. Neither of those
    : days are billed offpeak.

    Was July 4th an off-peak last year, when it wasn't on Sunday? (I
    wasn't a Verizon customer last July 4th.) If so, it should be this
    year, unless they make a special announcement that things have changed
    this year. July 5th is the observed July 4th holiday, so it should be
    treated the same as if it were indeed July 4th. FWIW, I think July
    4th was off-peak with AT&T last year when I was their customer...

    The list of holidays should be clearly stated and it should be
    consistent - that's all I ask. It should be not only listed on their
    website - it should be on their HOME PAGE on or near the day in
    question stating, "Reminder: July 5th is a PEAK day!" But what are
    the chances Verizon would put such a notice up as a service to their
    customers? All that would do is cost them lost revenue.

    Andrew
    --
    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
    *******************************************************************
    ----> http://www.bizave.com <---- Photo Albums and Portland Info
    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
    *******************************************************************
     
  6. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@justthe.net> wrote:
    : Andrew <usenetMYSHOES@bizavemyshoes.com> wrote:
    :
    : > Yeah, it's called an "observed holiday". Most people have off work,
    : > city parking is free, government offices and many business are
    : > closed. What's interesting is that nowhere on Verizon's website (I
    : > hunted for a few minutes) could I find a list of what they consider
    : > "holidays" in regards to peak/off-peak minutes. And the FAQ link on
    : > their homepage is busted - it just takes you back to their home page.
    : > (Don't tell me "Which holidays do you consider "off-peak" holidays?"
    : > isn't a Frequently-asked Question.)
    : >
    : > Now how much extra money will Verizon make if people use their phones
    : > today thinking it's an off-peak day and then wind up going over their
    : > minutes for the month?

    : The only point I'm willing to concede to you is that the list should
    : be posted somewhere (Google for it, it's been posted here, but it
    : should be on VZW's website). Not treating an observed holiday as
    : offpeak isn't inherently unethical. Unless, of course, you want to
    : claim that VZW should be treating the monday on which we celebrate
    : MLK's birthday as offpeak. Or President's Day. Neither of those
    : days are billed offpeak.

    Was July 4th an off-peak last year, when it wasn't on Sunday? (I
    wasn't a Verizon customer last July 4th.) If so, it should be this
    year, unless they make a special announcement that things have changed
    this year. July 5th is the observed July 4th holiday, so it should be
    treated the same as if it were indeed July 4th. FWIW, I think July
    4th was off-peak with AT&T last year when I was their customer...

    The list of holidays should be clearly stated and it should be
    consistent - that's all I ask. It should be not only listed on their
    website - it should be on their HOME PAGE on or near the day in
    question stating, "Reminder: July 5th is a PEAK day!" But what are
    the chances Verizon would put such a notice up as a service to their
    customers? All that would do is cost them lost revenue.

    Andrew
    --
    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
    *******************************************************************
    ----> http://www.bizave.com <---- Photo Albums and Portland Info
    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
    *******************************************************************
     
  7. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@justthe.net> wrote:
    : Andrew <usenetMYSHOES@bizavemyshoes.com> wrote:
    :
    : > Yeah, it's called an "observed holiday". Most people have off work,
    : > city parking is free, government offices and many business are
    : > closed. What's interesting is that nowhere on Verizon's website (I
    : > hunted for a few minutes) could I find a list of what they consider
    : > "holidays" in regards to peak/off-peak minutes. And the FAQ link on
    : > their homepage is busted - it just takes you back to their home page.
    : > (Don't tell me "Which holidays do you consider "off-peak" holidays?"
    : > isn't a Frequently-asked Question.)
    : >
    : > Now how much extra money will Verizon make if people use their phones
    : > today thinking it's an off-peak day and then wind up going over their
    : > minutes for the month?

    : The only point I'm willing to concede to you is that the list should
    : be posted somewhere (Google for it, it's been posted here, but it
    : should be on VZW's website). Not treating an observed holiday as
    : offpeak isn't inherently unethical. Unless, of course, you want to
    : claim that VZW should be treating the monday on which we celebrate
    : MLK's birthday as offpeak. Or President's Day. Neither of those
    : days are billed offpeak.

    Was July 4th an off-peak last year, when it wasn't on Sunday? (I
    wasn't a Verizon customer last July 4th.) If so, it should be this
    year, unless they make a special announcement that things have changed
    this year. July 5th is the observed July 4th holiday, so it should be
    treated the same as if it were indeed July 4th. FWIW, I think July
    4th was off-peak with AT&T last year when I was their customer...

    The list of holidays should be clearly stated and it should be
    consistent - that's all I ask. It should be not only listed on their
    website - it should be on their HOME PAGE on or near the day in
    question stating, "Reminder: July 5th is a PEAK day!" But what are
    the chances Verizon would put such a notice up as a service to their
    customers? All that would do is cost them lost revenue.

    Andrew
    --
    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
    *******************************************************************
    ----> http://www.bizave.com <---- Photo Albums and Portland Info
    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
    *******************************************************************
     
  8. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@justthe.net> wrote:
    : Andrew <usenetMYSHOES@bizavemyshoes.com> wrote:
    :
    : > Yeah, it's called an "observed holiday". Most people have off work,
    : > city parking is free, government offices and many business are
    : > closed. What's interesting is that nowhere on Verizon's website (I
    : > hunted for a few minutes) could I find a list of what they consider
    : > "holidays" in regards to peak/off-peak minutes. And the FAQ link on
    : > their homepage is busted - it just takes you back to their home page.
    : > (Don't tell me "Which holidays do you consider "off-peak" holidays?"
    : > isn't a Frequently-asked Question.)
    : >
    : > Now how much extra money will Verizon make if people use their phones
    : > today thinking it's an off-peak day and then wind up going over their
    : > minutes for the month?

    : The only point I'm willing to concede to you is that the list should
    : be posted somewhere (Google for it, it's been posted here, but it
    : should be on VZW's website). Not treating an observed holiday as
    : offpeak isn't inherently unethical. Unless, of course, you want to
    : claim that VZW should be treating the monday on which we celebrate
    : MLK's birthday as offpeak. Or President's Day. Neither of those
    : days are billed offpeak.

    Was July 4th an off-peak last year, when it wasn't on Sunday? (I
    wasn't a Verizon customer last July 4th.) If so, it should be this
    year, unless they make a special announcement that things have changed
    this year. July 5th is the observed July 4th holiday, so it should be
    treated the same as if it were indeed July 4th. FWIW, I think July
    4th was off-peak with AT&T last year when I was their customer...

    The list of holidays should be clearly stated and it should be
    consistent - that's all I ask. It should be not only listed on their
    website - it should be on their HOME PAGE on or near the day in
    question stating, "Reminder: July 5th is a PEAK day!" But what are
    the chances Verizon would put such a notice up as a service to their
    customers? All that would do is cost them lost revenue.

    Andrew
    --
    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
    *******************************************************************
    ----> http://www.bizave.com <---- Photo Albums and Portland Info
    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
    *******************************************************************
     
  9. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@justthe.net> wrote:
    : Andrew <usenetMYSHOES@bizavemyshoes.com> wrote:
    :
    : > Yeah, it's called an "observed holiday". Most people have off work,
    : > city parking is free, government offices and many business are
    : > closed. What's interesting is that nowhere on Verizon's website (I
    : > hunted for a few minutes) could I find a list of what they consider
    : > "holidays" in regards to peak/off-peak minutes. And the FAQ link on
    : > their homepage is busted - it just takes you back to their home page.
    : > (Don't tell me "Which holidays do you consider "off-peak" holidays?"
    : > isn't a Frequently-asked Question.)
    : >
    : > Now how much extra money will Verizon make if people use their phones
    : > today thinking it's an off-peak day and then wind up going over their
    : > minutes for the month?

    : The only point I'm willing to concede to you is that the list should
    : be posted somewhere (Google for it, it's been posted here, but it
    : should be on VZW's website). Not treating an observed holiday as
    : offpeak isn't inherently unethical. Unless, of course, you want to
    : claim that VZW should be treating the monday on which we celebrate
    : MLK's birthday as offpeak. Or President's Day. Neither of those
    : days are billed offpeak.

    Was July 4th an off-peak last year, when it wasn't on Sunday? (I
    wasn't a Verizon customer last July 4th.) If so, it should be this
    year, unless they make a special announcement that things have changed
    this year. July 5th is the observed July 4th holiday, so it should be
    treated the same as if it were indeed July 4th. FWIW, I think July
    4th was off-peak with AT&T last year when I was their customer...

    The list of holidays should be clearly stated and it should be
    consistent - that's all I ask. It should be not only listed on their
    website - it should be on their HOME PAGE on or near the day in
    question stating, "Reminder: July 5th is a PEAK day!" But what are
    the chances Verizon would put such a notice up as a service to their
    customers? All that would do is cost them lost revenue.

    Andrew
    --
    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
    *******************************************************************
    ----> http://www.bizave.com <---- Photo Albums and Portland Info
    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
    *******************************************************************
     
  10. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@justthe.net> wrote:
    : Andrew <usenetMYSHOES@bizavemyshoes.com> wrote:
    :
    : > Yeah, it's called an "observed holiday". Most people have off work,
    : > city parking is free, government offices and many business are
    : > closed. What's interesting is that nowhere on Verizon's website (I
    : > hunted for a few minutes) could I find a list of what they consider
    : > "holidays" in regards to peak/off-peak minutes. And the FAQ link on
    : > their homepage is busted - it just takes you back to their home page.
    : > (Don't tell me "Which holidays do you consider "off-peak" holidays?"
    : > isn't a Frequently-asked Question.)
    : >
    : > Now how much extra money will Verizon make if people use their phones
    : > today thinking it's an off-peak day and then wind up going over their
    : > minutes for the month?

    : The only point I'm willing to concede to you is that the list should
    : be posted somewhere (Google for it, it's been posted here, but it
    : should be on VZW's website). Not treating an observed holiday as
    : offpeak isn't inherently unethical. Unless, of course, you want to
    : claim that VZW should be treating the monday on which we celebrate
    : MLK's birthday as offpeak. Or President's Day. Neither of those
    : days are billed offpeak.

    Was July 4th an off-peak last year, when it wasn't on Sunday? (I
    wasn't a Verizon customer last July 4th.) If so, it should be this
    year, unless they make a special announcement that things have changed
    this year. July 5th is the observed July 4th holiday, so it should be
    treated the same as if it were indeed July 4th. FWIW, I think July
    4th was off-peak with AT&T last year when I was their customer...

    The list of holidays should be clearly stated and it should be
    consistent - that's all I ask. It should be not only listed on their
    website - it should be on their HOME PAGE on or near the day in
    question stating, "Reminder: July 5th is a PEAK day!" But what are
    the chances Verizon would put such a notice up as a service to their
    customers? All that would do is cost them lost revenue.

    Andrew
    --
    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
    *******************************************************************
    ----> http://www.bizave.com <---- Photo Albums and Portland Info
    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
    *******************************************************************
     
  11. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@justthe.net> wrote:
    : Andrew <usenetMYSHOES@bizavemyshoes.com> wrote:
    :
    : > Yeah, it's called an "observed holiday". Most people have off work,
    : > city parking is free, government offices and many business are
    : > closed. What's interesting is that nowhere on Verizon's website (I
    : > hunted for a few minutes) could I find a list of what they consider
    : > "holidays" in regards to peak/off-peak minutes. And the FAQ link on
    : > their homepage is busted - it just takes you back to their home page.
    : > (Don't tell me "Which holidays do you consider "off-peak" holidays?"
    : > isn't a Frequently-asked Question.)
    : >
    : > Now how much extra money will Verizon make if people use their phones
    : > today thinking it's an off-peak day and then wind up going over their
    : > minutes for the month?

    : The only point I'm willing to concede to you is that the list should
    : be posted somewhere (Google for it, it's been posted here, but it
    : should be on VZW's website). Not treating an observed holiday as
    : offpeak isn't inherently unethical. Unless, of course, you want to
    : claim that VZW should be treating the monday on which we celebrate
    : MLK's birthday as offpeak. Or President's Day. Neither of those
    : days are billed offpeak.

    Was July 4th an off-peak last year, when it wasn't on Sunday? (I
    wasn't a Verizon customer last July 4th.) If so, it should be this
    year, unless they make a special announcement that things have changed
    this year. July 5th is the observed July 4th holiday, so it should be
    treated the same as if it were indeed July 4th. FWIW, I think July
    4th was off-peak with AT&T last year when I was their customer...

    The list of holidays should be clearly stated and it should be
    consistent - that's all I ask. It should be not only listed on their
    website - it should be on their HOME PAGE on or near the day in
    question stating, "Reminder: July 5th is a PEAK day!" But what are
    the chances Verizon would put such a notice up as a service to their
    customers? All that would do is cost them lost revenue.

    Andrew
    --
    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
    *******************************************************************
    ----> http://www.bizave.com <---- Photo Albums and Portland Info
    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
    *******************************************************************
     
  12. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@justthe.net> wrote:
    : Andrew <usenetMYSHOES@bizavemyshoes.com> wrote:
    :
    : > Yeah, it's called an "observed holiday". Most people have off work,
    : > city parking is free, government offices and many business are
    : > closed. What's interesting is that nowhere on Verizon's website (I
    : > hunted for a few minutes) could I find a list of what they consider
    : > "holidays" in regards to peak/off-peak minutes. And the FAQ link on
    : > their homepage is busted - it just takes you back to their home page.
    : > (Don't tell me "Which holidays do you consider "off-peak" holidays?"
    : > isn't a Frequently-asked Question.)
    : >
    : > Now how much extra money will Verizon make if people use their phones
    : > today thinking it's an off-peak day and then wind up going over their
    : > minutes for the month?

    : The only point I'm willing to concede to you is that the list should
    : be posted somewhere (Google for it, it's been posted here, but it
    : should be on VZW's website). Not treating an observed holiday as
    : offpeak isn't inherently unethical. Unless, of course, you want to
    : claim that VZW should be treating the monday on which we celebrate
    : MLK's birthday as offpeak. Or President's Day. Neither of those
    : days are billed offpeak.

    Was July 4th an off-peak last year, when it wasn't on Sunday? (I
    wasn't a Verizon customer last July 4th.) If so, it should be this
    year, unless they make a special announcement that things have changed
    this year. July 5th is the observed July 4th holiday, so it should be
    treated the same as if it were indeed July 4th. FWIW, I think July
    4th was off-peak with AT&T last year when I was their customer...

    The list of holidays should be clearly stated and it should be
    consistent - that's all I ask. It should be not only listed on their
    website - it should be on their HOME PAGE on or near the day in
    question stating, "Reminder: July 5th is a PEAK day!" But what are
    the chances Verizon would put such a notice up as a service to their
    customers? All that would do is cost them lost revenue.

    Andrew
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  13. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@justthe.net> wrote:
    : Andrew <usenetMYSHOES@bizavemyshoes.com> wrote:
    :
    : > Yeah, it's called an "observed holiday". Most people have off work,
    : > city parking is free, government offices and many business are
    : > closed. What's interesting is that nowhere on Verizon's website (I
    : > hunted for a few minutes) could I find a list of what they consider
    : > "holidays" in regards to peak/off-peak minutes. And the FAQ link on
    : > their homepage is busted - it just takes you back to their home page.
    : > (Don't tell me "Which holidays do you consider "off-peak" holidays?"
    : > isn't a Frequently-asked Question.)
    : >
    : > Now how much extra money will Verizon make if people use their phones
    : > today thinking it's an off-peak day and then wind up going over their
    : > minutes for the month?

    : The only point I'm willing to concede to you is that the list should
    : be posted somewhere (Google for it, it's been posted here, but it
    : should be on VZW's website). Not treating an observed holiday as
    : offpeak isn't inherently unethical. Unless, of course, you want to
    : claim that VZW should be treating the monday on which we celebrate
    : MLK's birthday as offpeak. Or President's Day. Neither of those
    : days are billed offpeak.

    Was July 4th an off-peak last year, when it wasn't on Sunday? (I
    wasn't a Verizon customer last July 4th.) If so, it should be this
    year, unless they make a special announcement that things have changed
    this year. July 5th is the observed July 4th holiday, so it should be
    treated the same as if it were indeed July 4th. FWIW, I think July
    4th was off-peak with AT&T last year when I was their customer...

    The list of holidays should be clearly stated and it should be
    consistent - that's all I ask. It should be not only listed on their
    website - it should be on their HOME PAGE on or near the day in
    question stating, "Reminder: July 5th is a PEAK day!" But what are
    the chances Verizon would put such a notice up as a service to their
    customers? All that would do is cost them lost revenue.

    Andrew
    --
    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
    *******************************************************************
    ----> http://www.bizave.com <---- Photo Albums and Portland Info
    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
    *******************************************************************
     
  14. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@justthe.net> wrote:
    : Andrew <usenetMYSHOES@bizavemyshoes.com> wrote:
    :
    : > Yeah, it's called an "observed holiday". Most people have off work,
    : > city parking is free, government offices and many business are
    : > closed. What's interesting is that nowhere on Verizon's website (I
    : > hunted for a few minutes) could I find a list of what they consider
    : > "holidays" in regards to peak/off-peak minutes. And the FAQ link on
    : > their homepage is busted - it just takes you back to their home page.
    : > (Don't tell me "Which holidays do you consider "off-peak" holidays?"
    : > isn't a Frequently-asked Question.)
    : >
    : > Now how much extra money will Verizon make if people use their phones
    : > today thinking it's an off-peak day and then wind up going over their
    : > minutes for the month?

    : The only point I'm willing to concede to you is that the list should
    : be posted somewhere (Google for it, it's been posted here, but it
    : should be on VZW's website). Not treating an observed holiday as
    : offpeak isn't inherently unethical. Unless, of course, you want to
    : claim that VZW should be treating the monday on which we celebrate
    : MLK's birthday as offpeak. Or President's Day. Neither of those
    : days are billed offpeak.

    Was July 4th an off-peak last year, when it wasn't on Sunday? (I
    wasn't a Verizon customer last July 4th.) If so, it should be this
    year, unless they make a special announcement that things have changed
    this year. July 5th is the observed July 4th holiday, so it should be
    treated the same as if it were indeed July 4th. FWIW, I think July
    4th was off-peak with AT&T last year when I was their customer...

    The list of holidays should be clearly stated and it should be
    consistent - that's all I ask. It should be not only listed on their
    website - it should be on their HOME PAGE on or near the day in
    question stating, "Reminder: July 5th is a PEAK day!" But what are
    the chances Verizon would put such a notice up as a service to their
    customers? All that would do is cost them lost revenue.

    Andrew
    --
    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
    *******************************************************************
    ----> http://www.bizave.com <---- Photo Albums and Portland Info
    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
    *******************************************************************
     
  15. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@justthe.net> wrote:
    : Andrew <usenetMYSHOES@bizavemyshoes.com> wrote:
    :
    : > Yeah, it's called an "observed holiday". Most people have off work,
    : > city parking is free, government offices and many business are
    : > closed. What's interesting is that nowhere on Verizon's website (I
    : > hunted for a few minutes) could I find a list of what they consider
    : > "holidays" in regards to peak/off-peak minutes. And the FAQ link on
    : > their homepage is busted - it just takes you back to their home page.
    : > (Don't tell me "Which holidays do you consider "off-peak" holidays?"
    : > isn't a Frequently-asked Question.)
    : >
    : > Now how much extra money will Verizon make if people use their phones
    : > today thinking it's an off-peak day and then wind up going over their
    : > minutes for the month?

    : The only point I'm willing to concede to you is that the list should
    : be posted somewhere (Google for it, it's been posted here, but it
    : should be on VZW's website). Not treating an observed holiday as
    : offpeak isn't inherently unethical. Unless, of course, you want to
    : claim that VZW should be treating the monday on which we celebrate
    : MLK's birthday as offpeak. Or President's Day. Neither of those
    : days are billed offpeak.

    Was July 4th an off-peak last year, when it wasn't on Sunday? (I
    wasn't a Verizon customer last July 4th.) If so, it should be this
    year, unless they make a special announcement that things have changed
    this year. July 5th is the observed July 4th holiday, so it should be
    treated the same as if it were indeed July 4th. FWIW, I think July
    4th was off-peak with AT&T last year when I was their customer...

    The list of holidays should be clearly stated and it should be
    consistent - that's all I ask. It should be not only listed on their
    website - it should be on their HOME PAGE on or near the day in
    question stating, "Reminder: July 5th is a PEAK day!" But what are
    the chances Verizon would put such a notice up as a service to their
    customers? All that would do is cost them lost revenue.

    Andrew
    --
    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
    *******************************************************************
    ----> http://www.bizave.com <---- Photo Albums and Portland Info
    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
    *******************************************************************
     
  16. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@justthe.net> wrote:
    : Andrew <usenetMYSHOES@bizavemyshoes.com> wrote:
    :
    : > Yeah, it's called an "observed holiday". Most people have off work,
    : > city parking is free, government offices and many business are
    : > closed. What's interesting is that nowhere on Verizon's website (I
    : > hunted for a few minutes) could I find a list of what they consider
    : > "holidays" in regards to peak/off-peak minutes. And the FAQ link on
    : > their homepage is busted - it just takes you back to their home page.
    : > (Don't tell me "Which holidays do you consider "off-peak" holidays?"
    : > isn't a Frequently-asked Question.)
    : >
    : > Now how much extra money will Verizon make if people use their phones
    : > today thinking it's an off-peak day and then wind up going over their
    : > minutes for the month?

    : The only point I'm willing to concede to you is that the list should
    : be posted somewhere (Google for it, it's been posted here, but it
    : should be on VZW's website). Not treating an observed holiday as
    : offpeak isn't inherently unethical. Unless, of course, you want to
    : claim that VZW should be treating the monday on which we celebrate
    : MLK's birthday as offpeak. Or President's Day. Neither of those
    : days are billed offpeak.

    Was July 4th an off-peak last year, when it wasn't on Sunday? (I
    wasn't a Verizon customer last July 4th.) If so, it should be this
    year, unless they make a special announcement that things have changed
    this year. July 5th is the observed July 4th holiday, so it should be
    treated the same as if it were indeed July 4th. FWIW, I think July
    4th was off-peak with AT&T last year when I was their customer...

    The list of holidays should be clearly stated and it should be
    consistent - that's all I ask. It should be not only listed on their
    website - it should be on their HOME PAGE on or near the day in
    question stating, "Reminder: July 5th is a PEAK day!" But what are
    the chances Verizon would put such a notice up as a service to their
    customers? All that would do is cost them lost revenue.

    Andrew
    --
    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
    *******************************************************************
    ----> http://www.bizave.com <---- Photo Albums and Portland Info
    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
    *******************************************************************
     
  17. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@justthe.net> wrote:
    : Andrew <usenetMYSHOES@bizavemyshoes.com> wrote:
    :
    : > Yeah, it's called an "observed holiday". Most people have off work,
    : > city parking is free, government offices and many business are
    : > closed. What's interesting is that nowhere on Verizon's website (I
    : > hunted for a few minutes) could I find a list of what they consider
    : > "holidays" in regards to peak/off-peak minutes. And the FAQ link on
    : > their homepage is busted - it just takes you back to their home page.
    : > (Don't tell me "Which holidays do you consider "off-peak" holidays?"
    : > isn't a Frequently-asked Question.)
    : >
    : > Now how much extra money will Verizon make if people use their phones
    : > today thinking it's an off-peak day and then wind up going over their
    : > minutes for the month?

    : The only point I'm willing to concede to you is that the list should
    : be posted somewhere (Google for it, it's been posted here, but it
    : should be on VZW's website). Not treating an observed holiday as
    : offpeak isn't inherently unethical. Unless, of course, you want to
    : claim that VZW should be treating the monday on which we celebrate
    : MLK's birthday as offpeak. Or President's Day. Neither of those
    : days are billed offpeak.

    Was July 4th an off-peak last year, when it wasn't on Sunday? (I
    wasn't a Verizon customer last July 4th.) If so, it should be this
    year, unless they make a special announcement that things have changed
    this year. July 5th is the observed July 4th holiday, so it should be
    treated the same as if it were indeed July 4th. FWIW, I think July
    4th was off-peak with AT&T last year when I was their customer...

    The list of holidays should be clearly stated and it should be
    consistent - that's all I ask. It should be not only listed on their
    website - it should be on their HOME PAGE on or near the day in
    question stating, "Reminder: July 5th is a PEAK day!" But what are
    the chances Verizon would put such a notice up as a service to their
    customers? All that would do is cost them lost revenue.

    Andrew
    --
    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
    *******************************************************************
    ----> http://www.bizave.com <---- Photo Albums and Portland Info
    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
    *******************************************************************
     
  18. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@justthe.net> wrote:
    : Andrew <usenetMYSHOES@bizavemyshoes.com> wrote:
    :
    : > Yeah, it's called an "observed holiday". Most people have off work,
    : > city parking is free, government offices and many business are
    : > closed. What's interesting is that nowhere on Verizon's website (I
    : > hunted for a few minutes) could I find a list of what they consider
    : > "holidays" in regards to peak/off-peak minutes. And the FAQ link on
    : > their homepage is busted - it just takes you back to their home page.
    : > (Don't tell me "Which holidays do you consider "off-peak" holidays?"
    : > isn't a Frequently-asked Question.)
    : >
    : > Now how much extra money will Verizon make if people use their phones
    : > today thinking it's an off-peak day and then wind up going over their
    : > minutes for the month?

    : The only point I'm willing to concede to you is that the list should
    : be posted somewhere (Google for it, it's been posted here, but it
    : should be on VZW's website). Not treating an observed holiday as
    : offpeak isn't inherently unethical. Unless, of course, you want to
    : claim that VZW should be treating the monday on which we celebrate
    : MLK's birthday as offpeak. Or President's Day. Neither of those
    : days are billed offpeak.

    Was July 4th an off-peak last year, when it wasn't on Sunday? (I
    wasn't a Verizon customer last July 4th.) If so, it should be this
    year, unless they make a special announcement that things have changed
    this year. July 5th is the observed July 4th holiday, so it should be
    treated the same as if it were indeed July 4th. FWIW, I think July
    4th was off-peak with AT&T last year when I was their customer...

    The list of holidays should be clearly stated and it should be
    consistent - that's all I ask. It should be not only listed on their
    website - it should be on their HOME PAGE on or near the day in
    question stating, "Reminder: July 5th is a PEAK day!" But what are
    the chances Verizon would put such a notice up as a service to their
    customers? All that would do is cost them lost revenue.

    Andrew
    --
    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
    *******************************************************************
    ----> http://www.bizave.com <---- Photo Albums and Portland Info
    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
    *******************************************************************
     
  19. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@justthe.net> wrote:
    : Andrew <usenetMYSHOES@bizavemyshoes.com> wrote:
    :
    : > Yeah, it's called an "observed holiday". Most people have off work,
    : > city parking is free, government offices and many business are
    : > closed. What's interesting is that nowhere on Verizon's website (I
    : > hunted for a few minutes) could I find a list of what they consider
    : > "holidays" in regards to peak/off-peak minutes. And the FAQ link on
    : > their homepage is busted - it just takes you back to their home page.
    : > (Don't tell me "Which holidays do you consider "off-peak" holidays?"
    : > isn't a Frequently-asked Question.)
    : >
    : > Now how much extra money will Verizon make if people use their phones
    : > today thinking it's an off-peak day and then wind up going over their
    : > minutes for the month?

    : The only point I'm willing to concede to you is that the list should
    : be posted somewhere (Google for it, it's been posted here, but it
    : should be on VZW's website). Not treating an observed holiday as
    : offpeak isn't inherently unethical. Unless, of course, you want to
    : claim that VZW should be treating the monday on which we celebrate
    : MLK's birthday as offpeak. Or President's Day. Neither of those
    : days are billed offpeak.

    Was July 4th an off-peak last year, when it wasn't on Sunday? (I
    wasn't a Verizon customer last July 4th.) If so, it should be this
    year, unless they make a special announcement that things have changed
    this year. July 5th is the observed July 4th holiday, so it should be
    treated the same as if it were indeed July 4th. FWIW, I think July
    4th was off-peak with AT&T last year when I was their customer...

    The list of holidays should be clearly stated and it should be
    consistent - that's all I ask. It should be not only listed on their
    website - it should be on their HOME PAGE on or near the day in
    question stating, "Reminder: July 5th is a PEAK day!" But what are
    the chances Verizon would put such a notice up as a service to their
    customers? All that would do is cost them lost revenue.

    Andrew
    --
    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
    *******************************************************************
    ----> http://www.bizave.com <---- Photo Albums and Portland Info
    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
    *******************************************************************
     
  20. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@justthe.net> wrote:
    : Andrew <usenetMYSHOES@bizavemyshoes.com> wrote:
    :
    : > Yeah, it's called an "observed holiday". Most people have off work,
    : > city parking is free, government offices and many business are
    : > closed. What's interesting is that nowhere on Verizon's website (I
    : > hunted for a few minutes) could I find a list of what they consider
    : > "holidays" in regards to peak/off-peak minutes. And the FAQ link on
    : > their homepage is busted - it just takes you back to their home page.
    : > (Don't tell me "Which holidays do you consider "off-peak" holidays?"
    : > isn't a Frequently-asked Question.)
    : >
    : > Now how much extra money will Verizon make if people use their phones
    : > today thinking it's an off-peak day and then wind up going over their
    : > minutes for the month?

    : The only point I'm willing to concede to you is that the list should
    : be posted somewhere (Google for it, it's been posted here, but it
    : should be on VZW's website). Not treating an observed holiday as
    : offpeak isn't inherently unethical. Unless, of course, you want to
    : claim that VZW should be treating the monday on which we celebrate
    : MLK's birthday as offpeak. Or President's Day. Neither of those
    : days are billed offpeak.

    Was July 4th an off-peak last year, when it wasn't on Sunday? (I
    wasn't a Verizon customer last July 4th.) If so, it should be this
    year, unless they make a special announcement that things have changed
    this year. July 5th is the observed July 4th holiday, so it should be
    treated the same as if it were indeed July 4th. FWIW, I think July
    4th was off-peak with AT&T last year when I was their customer...

    The list of holidays should be clearly stated and it should be
    consistent - that's all I ask. It should be not only listed on their
    website - it should be on their HOME PAGE on or near the day in
    question stating, "Reminder: July 5th is a PEAK day!" But what are
    the chances Verizon would put such a notice up as a service to their
    customers? All that would do is cost them lost revenue.

    Andrew
    --
    ----> Portland, Oregon, USA <----
    *******************************************************************
    ----> http://www.bizave.com <---- Photo Albums and Portland Info
    ----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
    *******************************************************************
     

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