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Just had a look at Verizon

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by hachiroku, Oct 30, 2012.

  1. hachiroku

    hachiroku Guest

    Wow! 300MB data and UNLIMITED Talk and Text for $40 a month! That's better
    than PagePlus!

    Until...

    You have to pay $30 a month for the Free phone. That makes the total $70 a
    month. And that's a Basic phone.

    For $40 a month I would have gone back to Verizon.

    Looks like I stay with Page Plus.
     



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  2. SMS

    SMS Guest

    On 10/30/2012 9:32 PM, hachiroku wrote:
    > Wow! 300MB data and UNLIMITED Talk and Text for $40 a month! That's better
    > than PagePlus!


    For most, the unlimited talk and text is just a come-on. The $30
    Pageplus plan, with 3000 texts, 1200 minutes, and 250MB of data, with no
    extra fees or taxes is still a better deal. Another 50MB of data would
    be $2.50 at 5¢/MB.

    > Until...
    >
    > You have to pay $30 a month for the Free phone. That makes the total $70 a
    > month. And that's a Basic phone.
    >
    > For $40 a month I would have gone back to Verizon.
    >
    > Looks like I stay with Page Plus.


    Especially with the new higher data amounts, effective today.
     
  3. Drewdove

    Drewdove Guest

    hachiroku wrote:
    > Wow! 300MB data and UNLIMITED Talk and Text for $40 a month! That's
    > better than PagePlus!
    >
    > Until...
    >
    > You have to pay $30 a month for the Free phone. That makes the total
    > $70 a month. And that's a Basic phone.
    >
    > For $40 a month I would have gone back to Verizon.
    >
    > Looks like I stay with Page Plus.


    I guess the free means "We're charging you $30 a month, you're free to take
    it or leave it"
     
  4. On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 07:20:15 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
    wrote:

    >On 10/30/2012 9:32 PM, hachiroku wrote:
    >> Wow! 300MB data and UNLIMITED Talk and Text for $40 a month! That's better
    >> than PagePlus!

    >
    >For most, the unlimited talk and text is just a come-on. The $30
    >Pageplus plan, with 3000 texts, 1200 minutes, and 250MB of data, with no
    >extra fees or taxes is still a better deal. Another 50MB of data would
    >be $2.50 at 5¢/MB.



    I don't see this on their website. Where did you see it?
    >
    >> Until...
    >>
    >> You have to pay $30 a month for the Free phone. That makes the total $70 a
    >> month. And that's a Basic phone.
    >>
    >> For $40 a month I would have gone back to Verizon.
    >>
    >> Looks like I stay with Page Plus.

    >
    >Especially with the new higher data amounts, effective today.
     
  5. Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Drewdove said:

    > hachiroku wrote:
    > > Wow! 300MB data and UNLIMITED Talk and Text for $40 a month! That's
    > > better than PagePlus!
    > >
    > > Until...
    > >
    > > You have to pay $30 a month for the Free phone. That makes the total
    > > $70 a month. And that's a Basic phone.
    > >
    > > For $40 a month I would have gone back to Verizon.
    > >
    > > Looks like I stay with Page Plus.

    >
    > I guess the free means "We're charging you $30 a month, you're free to take
    > it or leave it"


    The phone may be free, but the service isn't...

    --
    Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
    Double ROT13 encoded for your protection

    Peter's Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord, #210.
    All guest-quarters will be bugged and monitored so that I can keep
    track of what the visitors I have for some reason allowed to roam
    about my fortress are actually plotting.
     
  6. On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 03:16:36 +0000, Jeffrey Kaplan <nomail@gordol.org>
    wrote:

    >Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Drewdove said:
    >
    >> hachiroku wrote:
    >> > Wow! 300MB data and UNLIMITED Talk and Text for $40 a month! That's
    >> > better than PagePlus!
    >> >
    >> > Until...
    >> >
    >> > You have to pay $30 a month for the Free phone. That makes the total
    >> > $70 a month. And that's a Basic phone.
    >> >
    >> > For $40 a month I would have gone back to Verizon.
    >> >
    >> > Looks like I stay with Page Plus.

    >>
    >> I guess the free means "We're charging you $30 a month, you're free to take
    >> it or leave it"

    >
    >The phone may be free, but the service isn't...


    Nothing is ever really free. The contract payments cover the cost of
    the phone.

    Sometimes it is cheaper to just buy the phone and get a prepaid plan.
    VZW doesn't do so well at this, but on T-Mobile for example, it's
    cheaper to buy a smartphone outright and buy one of their value plans
    that to get the phone cheaper and do a contract. E.G., you can pay
    $500 for a phone and $60 a month or pay $200 for the phone and $80 a
    month for the same services. You break even at about 15 months and
    from then on you save $20 a month.

    Some prepaid plans are a much better deal than even that. Many people
    are sucked in by what looks like a good deal on a phone.
     
  7. Drewdove

    Drewdove Guest

    Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
    > Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Drewdove said:
    >
    >> hachiroku wrote:
    >>> Wow! 300MB data and UNLIMITED Talk and Text for $40 a month! That's
    >>> better than PagePlus!
    >>>
    >>> Until...
    >>>
    >>> You have to pay $30 a month for the Free phone. That makes the total
    >>> $70 a month. And that's a Basic phone.
    >>>
    >>> For $40 a month I would have gone back to Verizon.
    >>>
    >>> Looks like I stay with Page Plus.

    >>
    >> I guess the free means "We're charging you $30 a month, you're free
    >> to take it or leave it"

    >
    > The phone may be free, but the service isn't...


    The service is $40 while the phone is $30. :-/
     
  8. Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, nobody@nada.com said:

    > Nothing is ever really free. The contract payments cover the cost of
    > the phone.


    And that base $30/month he's talking about is that.

    > Sometimes it is cheaper to just buy the phone and get a prepaid plan.
    > VZW doesn't do so well at this, but on T-Mobile for example, it's
    > cheaper to buy a smartphone outright and buy one of their value plans
    > that to get the phone cheaper and do a contract. E.G., you can pay
    > $500 for a phone and $60 a month or pay $200 for the phone and $80 a
    > month for the same services. You break even at about 15 months and
    > from then on you save $20 a month.
    >
    > Some prepaid plans are a much better deal than even that. Many people
    > are sucked in by what looks like a good deal on a phone.


    And some people simply just cannot afford to lay out the $500~$600 to
    buy outright the phone they want, but can afford the $100~$200 for the
    subsidized cost plus that extra $20/month on the contract.

    --
    Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
    Double ROT13 encoded for your protection

    Peter's Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord, #146.
    If my surveillance reports any un-manned or seemingly innocent ships
    found where they are not supposed to be, they will be immediately
    vaporized instead of brought in for salvage.
     
  9. SMS

    SMS Guest

    On 11/2/2012 7:38 AM, Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:

    > And some people simply just cannot afford to lay out the $500~$600 to
    > buy outright the phone they want, but can afford the $100~$200 for the
    > subsidized cost plus that extra $20/month on the contract.


    It's more than $20/month extra on the contract unless you're on a share
    plan. For a single phone, Pageplus is about $30/month less, assuming a
    subsidy of $400 on Verizon, assuming an 18% corporate discount on
    Verizon, and assuming that the Verizon subscriber gets a new subsidized
    phone every 20 months. For two phones, Pageplus is about $6/month less.

    I did a spreadsheet of the best case for Verizon's share everything
    plan, assuming that everyone got the maximum subsidy value every 20
    months, with a corporate discount of 18% on Verizon. At 3 smart phones
    sharing 6GB of data, Verizon was $1.48 less per month.

    This is a lot of assumptions in Verizon's favor, assuming that each
    subscriber gets a new, maximum subsidy phone, as soon as they are
    eligible (every 20 months) and assuming the 18% corporate discount. For
    each month that an eligible subscriber doesn't take advantage of a new
    subsidized phone the monthly value of the subsidy falls.

    For someone with a single smart phone line they'd be better off paying
    22% credit card interest on the outright purchase of a smart phone than
    paying the extra $30/month to Verizon. They'd pay $120 or so in interest
    over two years, or about $5 per month (average) in interest.
     
  10. Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, SMS said:

    > On 11/2/2012 7:38 AM, Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
    >
    > > And some people simply just cannot afford to lay out the $500~$600 to
    > > buy outright the phone they want, but can afford the $100~$200 for the
    > > subsidized cost plus that extra $20/month on the contract.

    >
    > It's more than $20/month extra on the contract unless you're on a share
    > plan. For a single phone, Pageplus is about $30/month less, assuming a
    > subsidy of $400 on Verizon, assuming an 18% corporate discount on
    > Verizon, and assuming that the Verizon subscriber gets a new subsidized
    > phone every 20 months. For two phones, Pageplus is about $6/month less.


    And then there's the fact that some people just cannot afford to outlay
    that $500~$600 to outright buy the phone, no matter how you massage the
    monthly bill in favor of either direction.

    --
    Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
    Double ROT13 encoded for your protection

    "...I have always been here." "Oh yeah? You said that about me too."
    "...Yes." [Kosh walks away.] "I really hate it when you do that."
    "...Good." (Amb. Kosh and Capt. Sheridan, B5 "Matters Of Honor")
     
  11. SMS

    SMS Guest

    On 11/2/2012 12:36 PM, Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:

    > And then there's the fact that some people just cannot afford to outlay
    > that $500~$600 to outright buy the phone, no matter how you massage the
    > monthly bill in favor of either direction.


    Even with a subsidized smart phone like an iPhone or Galaxy S3, there's
    an up front charge $230-235 plus tax on the unsubsidized value of the
    phone. So the real cost difference is $365-370. Anyone able to qualify
    for postpaid service on a carrier has good enough credit to finance the
    difference between $600 and $230 if they really have to.

    If someone really can't finance or pay $370 then there are plenty of new
    old stock Verizon Android smart phones for sale that may be a better
    option than an iPhone 5 or Galaxy S3.

    Of course the whole business model of the carrier is built on financing
    smart phones, it's just that instead of interest charged directly, it's
    charged as part of the monthly fees. Anyone that doesn't take advantage
    of a new subsidy as soon as they are eligible is leaving a lot of money
    on the table.
     
  12. Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, SMS said:

    > On 11/2/2012 12:36 PM, Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
    >
    > > And then there's the fact that some people just cannot afford to outlay
    > > that $500~$600 to outright buy the phone, no matter how you massage the
    > > monthly bill in favor of either direction.

    >
    > Even with a subsidized smart phone like an iPhone or Galaxy S3, there's
    > an up front charge $230-235 plus tax on the unsubsidized value of the
    > phone. So the real cost difference is $365-370. Anyone able to qualify
    > for postpaid service on a carrier has good enough credit to finance the
    > difference between $600 and $230 if they really have to.


    Not necessarily. First, your credit doesn't have to be all that great
    to get a postpaid service (I switched to Verizon less than two years
    after being foreclosed on). Second, you can have good credit and have
    insufficient room on the credit card to do that.

    > If someone really can't finance or pay $370 then there are plenty of new
    > old stock Verizon Android smart phones for sale that may be a better
    > option than an iPhone 5 or Galaxy S3.


    If I get an iPhone, it's going to be the 5 for a variety of reasons. If
    I stay with Android, it will NOT be a Samsung, it'll most likely be
    either a Moto or an HTC.

    > Of course the whole business model of the carrier is built on financing
    > smart phones, it's just that instead of interest charged directly, it's
    > charged as part of the monthly fees. Anyone that doesn't take advantage
    > of a new subsidy as soon as they are eligible is leaving a lot of money
    > on the table.


    Or they just don't have the cashflow to allow them to buy the phone
    they want and refuse to compromise on a lesser device. For example,
    why should I compromise and get the "free" iPhone 4? It has a measly
    8GB of storage and a bad camera. I've got that right now with my Droid
    X, but I also have the ability to use a MicroSD card to expand the
    media storage capabilities, and I won't have to give up my unlimited
    data.

    If you can afford to spend the full price on a phone in order to get a
    better monthly plan rate, that's great. +I+ cannot, and I know there
    are plenty of other people who also cannot upfront that amount of
    money.

    --
    Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
    Double ROT13 encoded for your protection

    "These popular sovereigns are at their work, blowing out the moral
    lights around us." - Abraham Lincoln
     
  13. hachiroku

    hachiroku Guest

    On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 13:55:39 -0700, Drewdove wrote:

    > hachiroku wrote:
    >> Wow! 300MB data and UNLIMITED Talk and Text for $40 a month! That's
    >> better than PagePlus!
    >>
    >> Until...
    >>
    >> You have to pay $30 a month for the Free phone. That makes the total
    >> $70 a month. And that's a Basic phone.
    >>
    >> For $40 a month I would have gone back to Verizon.
    >>
    >> Looks like I stay with Page Plus.

    >
    > I guess the free means "We're charging you $30 a month, you're free to take
    > it or leave it"


    After looking it over, the $30 is a "Line Fee", meaning you're paying that
    amount just to have service, and actual talk time is more!
     
  14. hachiroku

    hachiroku Guest

    On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 14:38:36 +0000, Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:

    > Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, nobody@nada.com said:
    >
    >> Nothing is ever really free. The contract payments cover the cost of
    >> the phone.

    >
    > And that base $30/month he's talking about is that.
    >
    >> Sometimes it is cheaper to just buy the phone and get a prepaid plan.
    >> VZW doesn't do so well at this, but on T-Mobile for example, it's
    >> cheaper to buy a smartphone outright and buy one of their value plans
    >> that to get the phone cheaper and do a contract. E.G., you can pay
    >> $500 for a phone and $60 a month or pay $200 for the phone and $80 a
    >> month for the same services. You break even at about 15 months and
    >> from then on you save $20 a month.
    >>
    >> Some prepaid plans are a much better deal than even that. Many people
    >> are sucked in by what looks like a good deal on a phone.

    >
    > And some people simply just cannot afford to lay out the $500~$600 to
    > buy outright the phone they want, but can afford the $100~$200 for the
    > subsidized cost plus that extra $20/month on the contract.


    I get BlackBerries on eBay, one for $32 and the next one for $6 ($8 with
    shipping).

    The first one lasted ~ a year and then the charging port went (a problem
    with this model), the replacement has been ~6 months now.

    PagePlus will activate a BB, but no Rim service.


    Next one will be a dumbphone...after I get a new job and don't need
    Internet access.
     
  15. hachiroku

    hachiroku Guest

    On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 14:22:23 -0700, SMS wrote:

    > On 11/2/2012 12:36 PM, Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
    >
    >> And then there's the fact that some people just cannot afford to outlay
    >> that $500~$600 to outright buy the phone, no matter how you massage the
    >> monthly bill in favor of either direction.

    >
    > Even with a subsidized smart phone like an iPhone or Galaxy S3, there's
    > an up front charge $230-235 plus tax on the unsubsidized value of the
    > phone. So the real cost difference is $365-370. Anyone able to qualify
    > for postpaid service on a carrier has good enough credit to finance the
    > difference between $600 and $230 if they really have to.
    >
    > If someone really can't finance or pay $370 then there are plenty of new
    > old stock Verizon Android smart phones for sale that may be a better
    > option than an iPhone 5 or Galaxy S3.
    >
    > Of course the whole business model of the carrier is built on financing
    > smart phones, it's just that instead of interest charged directly, it's
    > charged as part of the monthly fees. Anyone that doesn't take advantage
    > of a new subsidy as soon as they are eligible is leaving a lot of money
    > on the table.


    In Mass you pay the tax on the FULL PRICE of the phone, not what you
    actually paid for it.

    Nice.
     
  16. hachiroku

    hachiroku Guest

    On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 07:20:15 -0700, SMS wrote:

    > On 10/30/2012 9:32 PM, hachiroku wrote:
    >> Wow! 300MB data and UNLIMITED Talk and Text for $40 a month! That's better
    >> than PagePlus!

    >
    > For most, the unlimited talk and text is just a come-on. The $30
    > Pageplus plan, with 3000 texts, 1200 minutes, and 250MB of data, with no
    > extra fees or taxes is still a better deal. Another 50MB of data would
    > be $2.50 at 5¢/MB.
    >
    >> Until...
    >>
    >> You have to pay $30 a month for the Free phone. That makes the total $70 a
    >> month. And that's a Basic phone.
    >>
    >> For $40 a month I would have gone back to Verizon.
    >>
    >> Looks like I stay with Page Plus.

    >
    > Especially with the new higher data amounts, effective today.


    Yeah, I saw that. I barely use 20MB data. Looks like I'll have to
    reinstall Pandora! ;)
     
  17. hachiroku

    hachiroku Guest

    On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 17:33:03 -0700, nobody wrote:

    > On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 07:20:15 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>On 10/30/2012 9:32 PM, hachiroku wrote:
    >>> Wow! 300MB data and UNLIMITED Talk and Text for $40 a month! That's better
    >>> than PagePlus!

    >>
    >>For most, the unlimited talk and text is just a come-on. The $30
    >>Pageplus plan, with 3000 texts, 1200 minutes, and 250MB of data, with no
    >>extra fees or taxes is still a better deal. Another 50MB of data would
    >>be $2.50 at 5¢/MB.

    >
    >
    > I don't see this on their website. Where did you see it?
    >>
    >>> Until...
    >>>
    >>> You have to pay $30 a month for the Free phone. That makes the total $70 a
    >>> month. And that's a Basic phone.
    >>>
    >>> For $40 a month I would have gone back to Verizon.
    >>>
    >>> Looks like I stay with Page Plus.

    >>
    >>Especially with the new higher data amounts, effective today.


    Hmmm...I saw it when I re-upped.
     
  18. Paul Miner

    Paul Miner Guest

    On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 01:15:32 +0000, Jeffrey Kaplan <nomail@gordol.org>
    wrote:

    >If I get an iPhone, it's going to be the 5 for a variety of reasons. If
    >I stay with Android, it will NOT be a Samsung, it'll most likely be
    >either a Moto or an HTC.


    Just curious, what's wrong with Samsung? I thought they had sort of
    positioned themselves as a leader in the space, or at least tried to.

    --
    Paul Miner
     
  19. Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Paul Miner said:

    > On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 01:15:32 +0000, Jeffrey Kaplan <nomail@gordol.org>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >If I get an iPhone, it's going to be the 5 for a variety of reasons. If
    > >I stay with Android, it will NOT be a Samsung, it'll most likely be
    > >either a Moto or an HTC.

    >
    > Just curious, what's wrong with Samsung? I thought they had sort of
    > positioned themselves as a leader in the space, or at least tried to.


    I have had 100% failure with other consumer devices from Samsung in
    design, function and customer support. Things that I had no way of
    knowing were broken by design until after I tries to use it OR the
    device got a firmware update that removed an insanely useful function
    whose removal crippled the usability of the device.

    In both cases, Samsung tried to blame me, told me to update the
    firmware (that's what broke it or was not applicable!), and then
    informed me that it was working as designed.

    A former coworker got the Galaxy Nexus shortly after it came out and
    had to have it replaced four times in one month due to screen issues.
    He still has screen issues but gave up on getting a good one.

    --
    Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
    Double ROT13 encoded for your protection

    "Ambassador, I have traveled far and seen much. And what I have seen
    tells me that all sentient beings are best defined by their capacity
    and need for love." (Shall Mayan, B5 "The War Prayer")
     
  20. On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 14:38:36 +0000, Jeffrey Kaplan <nomail@gordol.org>
    wrote:

    >Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, nobody@nada.com said:
    >
    >> Nothing is ever really free. The contract payments cover the cost of
    >> the phone.

    >
    >And that base $30/month he's talking about is that.
    >
    >> Sometimes it is cheaper to just buy the phone and get a prepaid plan.
    >> VZW doesn't do so well at this, but on T-Mobile for example, it's
    >> cheaper to buy a smartphone outright and buy one of their value plans
    >> that to get the phone cheaper and do a contract. E.G., you can pay
    >> $500 for a phone and $60 a month or pay $200 for the phone and $80 a
    >> month for the same services. You break even at about 15 months and
    >> from then on you save $20 a month.
    >>
    >> Some prepaid plans are a much better deal than even that. Many people
    >> are sucked in by what looks like a good deal on a phone.

    >
    >And some people simply just cannot afford to lay out the $500~$600 to
    >buy outright the phone they want, but can afford the $100~$200 for the
    >subsidized cost plus that extra $20/month on the contract.


    I don't know about the otheres, but T-Mobile will finance the purchase
    of the phone separate from the plan payments. You put down the same as
    the subsized price and pay $15 a month for 20 months, no interest. On
    a $500 phone that $200 down and $300 in payments. You still save the
    $20 a month in the plan charge. So you actually pay the same up front
    as you do if they subsidize the phone, pay a monthly total of $5 less
    for 20 months and $20 less thereafter.

    Even if your slected carrier does not offer that, usinga credit card
    to finance it over two years saves money. If you have no credit, you
    shouldn't be wasting money on a smartphone and data plan.
     

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