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Just had a look at Verizon

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by hachiroku, Oct 30, 2012.

  1. AL

    AL Guest

    On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:24:36 -0800, nobody@nada.com wrote:

    >On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:25:27 -0700, AL <al@al61237.com> wrote:


    >>Turns out I'm not grandfathered after all. I just noticed they still
    >>offer my plan. I have the 2 line shared plan at the bottom.
    >>
    >>http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/plan-information/?page=65Plus
    >>
    >>Still not so bad for an 'effective' $40/mo single line considering
    >>it's a (gasp) Verizon plan... ;)
    >>
    >>I roll over tomorrow. Just checked my totals for the last month: 29
    >>mins. That's shared between 2 lines, not sure what my line alone is
    >>but obviously unlimited minutes would gain me nothing. And 360 GB (my
    >>line alone), again no advantage to more data.
    >>
    >>So, *for me*, is there a better plan offered by the cheapie carriers?
    >>Remember it needs all the features of this plan, I do use them all
    >>from time to time.

    >
    >Maybe you need to get very explicit about features it has to have and
    >how much of each you use.


    >For 2 lines sharing 450 minutes, unlimited text and 2GB data each line
    >is $160 plus taxes from your link.


    Unlimited text is unnecessary with a data package (it's free at GV and
    similar sites). That puts the 2-line plan at $120.

    But for comparison purposes a I'm using the 1-line plan with 2GB data
    which is $60/mo.

    Then I'm subtracting $20/mo for the "free" subsidized iPhone 5 Verizon
    gave me which makes for a fair comparison to the carriers where you
    have to buy (or bring) your own phone. That comes to a 1-line price of
    $40/mo.

    That $40/mo gets me 4G LTE, 2GB data (w/free texting), free roaming,
    free long distance, and though not unlimited minutes, it provides more
    than I normally use by a factor of ten.

    >So it's likely you can do as well for less if that's all you require.


    Where?
     



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  2. Paul Miner

    Paul Miner Guest

    On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 04:16:39 +0000 (UTC), Justin <nospam@insightbb.com>
    wrote:

    >tlvp wrote on [Mon, 14 Jan 2013 22:54:28 -0500]:
    >> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:44:34 -0500, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
    >>
    >>> And the last time I looked, gasoline was $3.05/gal while diesel was
    >>> $4.05/gal.

    >>
    >> Wow! In these parts the cheapest lo-test (cash price) is $3.659/gal, while
    >> Diesel is a tad over $4/gal, just like you say. But gas $3.05? Really? Wow!

    >
    >under $3.00 last week here... back to 3.09 or so


    Paid $2.88 in Oklahoma a few days ago. Today, in Kansas, it's $2.97 and they
    say on the news that it's heading further downward.

    --
    Paul Miner
     
  3. sms

    sms Guest

    Re: Subsidized cell phones (was Re: Just had a look at Verizon)

    On 1/14/2013 6:29 PM, nobody@nada.com wrote:
    > On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:41:55 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
    > <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
    >
    >> In article <8va6f8po5io1rs963ghksf8gp8189fj4jh@4ax.com>,
    >> nobody@nada.com wrote:
    >>
    >>> I'm on a T-Mobile prepaid plan ($30 a month) and bought a Nexus 4
    >>> phone outright. My cost for 24 months will be $1070. If I got a
    >>> Verizon phone, subsidized, at $200, and a 4GB data plan, the 24 month
    >>> cost would be $2840. Of course I only get 100 minutes of talk but I
    >>> rarely use those. That's $1770 less for the 24 months. I do get less
    >>> but that much less?

    >>
    >> Let's say you *do* use more than 100 voice minutes per month.

    >
    > Will never happen. With 5GB of data to eat, I can use GrooveIP or
    > Tapatalk to make VIOP calls using the data allowance. I suppose it is
    > theoretically possible to use all the data too.


    Very difficult to get to 5GB on voice calls. If you don't often leave
    areas with T-Mobile data coverage then there's no need for large numbers
    of voice minutes considering all the free VOIP services and apps like
    GrooveIP.

    What I don't get is that people are actually paying $25 per month for a
    service like Vonage when there are so many alternatives that are either
    much less expensive or free. I guess if you're making massive numbers of
    calls to a foreign country that Vonage includes at no extra cost then it
    might make sense, but in general it's a terrible deal considering the
    alternatives. Callcentric or even Ooma are much better deals if you
    don't need the included international calling that you get on some
    Vonage plans. The Vonage marketing is clever, comparing the cost of
    landline service with all the same features to the cost of Vonage
    service, but of course they don't compare their cost against that of
    other VOIP providers.
     
  4. Paul Miner

    Paul Miner Guest

    Re: Subsidized cell phones (was Re: Just had a look at Verizon)

    On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 04:43:28 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    >What I don't get is that people are actually paying $25 per month for a
    >service like Vonage when there are so many alternatives that are either
    >much less expensive or free. I guess if you're making massive numbers of
    >calls to a foreign country that Vonage includes at no extra cost then it
    >might make sense, but in general it's a terrible deal considering the
    >alternatives. Callcentric or even Ooma are much better deals if you
    >don't need the included international calling that you get on some
    >Vonage plans.


    I've had Vonage since 2005 for essentially two reasons:
    -We make a lot of calls to the Philippines and my wife needs a method that's
    easy to use, doesn't require additional dialing for PIN codes or topping up
    of minutes, etc. Vonage works very well for that and the rates are among the
    lowest that I've found, although I don't make it my life's mission to search
    for rates. The flip side is that we also get calls from the Philippines, and
    while her family has mobile phones and no landline, they appreciate that we
    have a landline, where they have a reasonable chance of reaching someone in
    the family and don't have to try multiple mobile numbers.
    -The other thing is that my extended family is somewhat old school in that
    they expect to call the house and speak to whomever might be here at the
    time. They've expressed that they would find it annoying to have to call
    more than one number. I expect that attitude to change over time, and indeed
    I see signs that it's already starting, but for the moment, especially for
    the International dialing, we're staying with a service that has worked well
    for us.

    >The Vonage marketing is clever, comparing the cost of
    >landline service with all the same features to the cost of Vonage
    >service, but of course they don't compare their cost against that of
    >other VOIP providers.


    Right, and compared to SW Bell, I'm saving a significant amount every month.
    I'm sure there are even cheaper ways to accomplish what I'm doing, but the
    PITA factor has to be taken into account, as well. I have a low tolerance
    for having to jump through hoops.

    --
    Paul Miner
     
  5. Justin

    Justin Guest

    Re: Subsidized cell phones (was Re: Just had a look at Verizon)

    Paul Miner wrote on [Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:41:16 -0600]:
    > On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 04:43:28 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
    >
    >>What I don't get is that people are actually paying $25 per month for a
    >>service like Vonage when there are so many alternatives that are either
    >>much less expensive or free. I guess if you're making massive numbers of
    >>calls to a foreign country that Vonage includes at no extra cost then it
    >>might make sense, but in general it's a terrible deal considering the
    >>alternatives. Callcentric or even Ooma are much better deals if you
    >>don't need the included international calling that you get on some
    >>Vonage plans.

    >
    > I've had Vonage since 2005 for essentially two reasons:
    > -We make a lot of calls to the Philippines and my wife needs a method that's
    > easy to use, doesn't require additional dialing for PIN codes or topping up
    > of minutes, etc. Vonage works very well for that and the rates are among the
    > lowest that I've found, although I don't make it my life's mission to search
    > for rates. The flip side is that we also get calls from the Philippines, and
    > while her family has mobile phones and no landline, they appreciate that we
    > have a landline, where they have a reasonable chance of reaching someone in
    > the family and don't have to try multiple mobile numbers.


    I have a google voice number that family members call and it rings my home,
    cell and work phones.

    I make all my outgoing calls through google voice. I guess something like
    the Obihai would make it even cheaper and easier to use gvoice

    Vonage isn't a landline.


    > Right, and compared to SW Bell, I'm saving a significant amount every month.
    > I'm sure there are even cheaper ways to accomplish what I'm doing, but the
    > PITA factor has to be taken into account, as well. I have a low tolerance
    > for having to jump through hoops.


    Port that vonage number to google voice and it will reach you
    wherever you are
     
  6. Paul Miner

    Paul Miner Guest

    Re: Subsidized cell phones (was Re: Just had a look at Verizon)

    On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 20:01:41 +0000 (UTC), Justin <nospam@insightbb.com>
    wrote:

    >Paul Miner wrote on [Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:41:16 -0600]:
    >>
    >> I've had Vonage since 2005 <snip>

    >
    >I have a google voice number that family members call and it rings my home,
    >cell and work phones.


    Home, cell, and work would be awkward and inconvenient for me, (I'm sure I
    don't want non-work calls at work), but home and cell is something I'll
    consider. Someday, I'd like to ditch the home phone, too, but not yet.

    >I make all my outgoing calls through google voice.


    That's something I've been lazily trying to get working recently. I was able
    to make a few outgoing test calls via google voice, but it hasn't been
    reliable, and most recently it doesn't seem to work at all. I've been
    meaning to check out the gv forum to make sure I'm not missing a step.

    Even once I get it working reliably, it seems inconvenient to have to
    remember to dial the gv number (as an access number) rather than dialing
    directly. Maybe that's something that a person gets used to.

    >I guess something like
    >the Obihai would make it even cheaper and easier to use gvoice
    >
    >Vonage isn't a landline.


    I know, but I treat it as such. I mean home phone.

    >> Right, and compared to SW Bell, I'm saving a significant amount every month.
    >> I'm sure there are even cheaper ways to accomplish what I'm doing, but the
    >> PITA factor has to be taken into account, as well. I have a low tolerance
    >> for having to jump through hoops.

    >
    >Port that vonage number to google voice and it will reach you
    >wherever you are


    There are a few too many pieces of the puzzle missing for me to make that
    happen right now, meaning I have some knowledge gaps on how to do it. I can
    certainly port my Vonage number to gv, but I'm not clear on what happens
    next. My Vonage ATA would go dead, so I assume I'd need an unlocked ATA or a
    SIP phone or something.

    --
    Paul Miner
     
  7. Justin

    Justin Guest

    Re: Subsidized cell phones (was Re: Just had a look at Verizon)

    Paul Miner wrote on [Tue, 15 Jan 2013 17:16:23 -0600]:
    > On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 20:01:41 +0000 (UTC), Justin <nospam@insightbb.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>Paul Miner wrote on [Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:41:16 -0600]:
    >>>
    >>> I've had Vonage since 2005 <snip>

    >>
    >>I have a google voice number that family members call and it rings my home,
    >>cell and work phones.

    >
    > Home, cell, and work would be awkward and inconvenient for me, (I'm sure I
    > don't want non-work calls at work), but home and cell is something I'll
    > consider. Someday, I'd like to ditch the home phone, too, but not yet.


    You can specify time of the day you want specific phones to ring, too


    >>I make all my outgoing calls through google voice.

    >
    > That's something I've been lazily trying to get working recently. I was able
    > to make a few outgoing test calls via google voice, but it hasn't been
    > reliable, and most recently it doesn't seem to work at all. I've been
    > meaning to check out the gv forum to make sure I'm not missing a step.
    >
    > Even once I get it working reliably, it seems inconvenient to have to
    > remember to dial the gv number (as an access number) rather than dialing
    > directly. Maybe that's something that a person gets used to.


    Oh... no. My cell phone uses GV natively for all international calls, no
    special numbers no nothing. I could do it for domestic too but just don't.

    >>> Right, and compared to SW Bell, I'm saving a significant amount every month.
    >>> I'm sure there are even cheaper ways to accomplish what I'm doing, but the
    >>> PITA factor has to be taken into account, as well. I have a low tolerance
    >>> for having to jump through hoops.

    >>
    >>Port that vonage number to google voice and it will reach you
    >>wherever you are

    >
    > There are a few too many pieces of the puzzle missing for me to make that
    > happen right now, meaning I have some knowledge gaps on how to do it. I can
    > certainly port my Vonage number to gv, but I'm not clear on what happens
    > next. My Vonage ATA would go dead, so I assume I'd need an unlocked ATA or a
    > SIP phone or something.


    An Obihai unit fits in between the regular POTS phone and the internet/google
    voice and you dial as usual
     
  8. Paul Miner

    Paul Miner Guest

    Re: Subsidized cell phones (was Re: Just had a look at Verizon)

    On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 00:42:57 +0000 (UTC), Justin <nospam@insightbb.com>
    wrote:

    >Paul Miner wrote on [Tue, 15 Jan 2013 17:16:23 -0600]:
    >> On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 20:01:41 +0000 (UTC), Justin <nospam@insightbb.com>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Paul Miner wrote on [Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:41:16 -0600]:
    >>>>
    >>>> I've had Vonage since 2005 <snip>
    >>>
    >>>I have a google voice number that family members call and it rings my home,
    >>>cell and work phones.

    >>
    >> Home, cell, and work would be awkward and inconvenient for me, (I'm sure I
    >> don't want non-work calls at work), but home and cell is something I'll
    >> consider. Someday, I'd like to ditch the home phone, too, but not yet.

    >
    >You can specify time of the day you want specific phones to ring, too
    >
    >
    >>>I make all my outgoing calls through google voice.

    >>
    >> That's something I've been lazily trying to get working recently. I was able
    >> to make a few outgoing test calls via google voice, but it hasn't been
    >> reliable, and most recently it doesn't seem to work at all. I've been
    >> meaning to check out the gv forum to make sure I'm not missing a step.
    >>
    >> Even once I get it working reliably, it seems inconvenient to have to
    >> remember to dial the gv number (as an access number) rather than dialing
    >> directly. Maybe that's something that a person gets used to.

    >
    >Oh... no. My cell phone uses GV natively for all international calls, no
    >special numbers no nothing. I could do it for domestic too but just don't.


    Can you point me to some setup info to accomplish that? I'd very much like
    to do the same, I think.

    >An Obihai unit fits in between the regular POTS phone and the internet/google
    >voice and you dial as usual


    Amazon has 100-series, 200-series, and 300-series. A quick glance seems to
    indicate that higher models include a second line, fax capability, router,
    USB, etc. Is there a minimum model required for GV?

    --
    Paul Miner
     
  9. Todd Allcock

    Todd Allcock Guest

    At 14 Jan 2013 22:54:28 -0500 tlvp wrote:
    > On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:44:34 -0500, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
    >
    > > And the last time I looked, gasoline was $3.05/gal while diesel was
    > > $4.05/gal.

    >
    > Wow! In these parts the cheapest lo-test (cash price) is $3.659/gal,

    while
    > Diesel is a tad over $4/gal, just like you say. But gas $3.05? Really?

    Wow!

    All depends where you live. Here in Denver, unleaded is about $2.80, and
    Diesel is about $3.60.

    Low taxes and the resultant crappy schools. Welcome to Colorado...
     
  10. Justin

    Justin Guest

    Re: Subsidized cell phones (was Re: Just had a look at Verizon)

    Paul Miner wrote on [Tue, 15 Jan 2013 20:24:44 -0600]:
    > On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 00:42:57 +0000 (UTC), Justin <nospam@insightbb.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>Paul Miner wrote on [Tue, 15 Jan 2013 17:16:23 -0600]:
    >>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 20:01:41 +0000 (UTC), Justin <nospam@insightbb.com>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Paul Miner wrote on [Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:41:16 -0600]:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I've had Vonage since 2005 <snip>
    >>>>
    >>>>I have a google voice number that family members call and it rings my home,
    >>>>cell and work phones.
    >>>
    >>> Home, cell, and work would be awkward and inconvenient for me, (I'm sure I
    >>> don't want non-work calls at work), but home and cell is something I'll
    >>> consider. Someday, I'd like to ditch the home phone, too, but not yet.

    >>
    >>You can specify time of the day you want specific phones to ring, too
    >>
    >>
    >>>>I make all my outgoing calls through google voice.
    >>>
    >>> That's something I've been lazily trying to get working recently. I was able
    >>> to make a few outgoing test calls via google voice, but it hasn't been
    >>> reliable, and most recently it doesn't seem to work at all. I've been
    >>> meaning to check out the gv forum to make sure I'm not missing a step.
    >>>
    >>> Even once I get it working reliably, it seems inconvenient to have to
    >>> remember to dial the gv number (as an access number) rather than dialing
    >>> directly. Maybe that's something that a person gets used to.

    >>
    >>Oh... no. My cell phone uses GV natively for all international calls, no
    >>special numbers no nothing. I could do it for domestic too but just don't.

    >
    > Can you point me to some setup info to accomplish that? I'd very much like
    > to do the same, I think.


    Depends on phone type. Android allows you to install google voice and then
    jumps in and does the calling for you

    for feature phones
    http://lifehacker.com/5775534/get-the-most-out-of-google-voice-on-your-non+smartphone

    >>An Obihai unit fits in between the regular POTS phone and the internet/google
    >>voice and you dial as usual

    >
    > Amazon has 100-series, 200-series, and 300-series. A quick glance seems to
    > indicate that higher models include a second line, fax capability, router,
    > USB, etc. Is there a minimum model required for GV?


    I believe they all work
    http://obihai.com/
     

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