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Kyo Phantom

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Jonathan Eisenstein, Oct 5, 2003.

  1. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 21:36:02 -0000, nait_sirhc@hotmai.l.com (Christian
    Paul) posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >A correction for this last message: OTA programming doesn't work for
    >EVERY non-Verizon phone. There are exceptions.


    OTA fails to work for a few phones. Some of them carry the Verizon
    brand. But it'll fail on any phone if the MSL (and field programming
    lock on phones that have it) aren't set to all zeros.



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  2. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:29:07 -0500, "Rod" <cellular-dude@sprintpcs.com>
    posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >Christian Paul wrote:
    >>> What I have learned is that it's always a possibility. The problem you

    >> may run into is that each Verizon phone contains an unique phone
    >> fingerprint that is transmitted when you place a call. If you use a
    >> phone that doesn't have one of these fingerprints, the network might
    >> not know what to do with you.


    >Oh please. If it's trimode and a brand Verizon sells it will work.


    If it's CDMA it'll work. If it's trimode, Verizon will allow you to
    use it. If it's a model they support, they'll even support you.
  3. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 23:47:01 -0500, Steven J Sobol
    <sjsobol@JustThe.net> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >Rod <cellular-dude@sprintpcs.com> wrote:


    >> Oh please. If it's trimode and a brand Verizon sells it will work.


    >The question is whether it will work well. Assuming that the cell tower is able
    >to talk to a cell phone whose ESN isn't in the carrier's database


    *228 doesn't use the ESN. (Neither does *SP, 911 or any other
    emergency number.) Once you've put the ESN into the database, though
    (you do that on-line these days - you don't need a rep to do it for
    you), the system doesn't know you from any other phone at that MIN.

    > - and not
    >all carriers have things set this way, but some do - if you get a phone with
    >firmware tweaked for Verizon's towers you may, in some cases, have an easier
    >time making calls than if you get a phone with generic firmware or firmware
    >tweaked for someone else's towers.


    "Tweaked for Verizon's towers"? And what kind of tweaking, exactly,
    would that be? Other than the PRL, which is taken care of the first
    time you use the phone and OTA it.
  4. Al Klein <rukbat@pern.org> wrote:

    > "Tweaked for Verizon's towers"? And what kind of tweaking, exactly,
    > would that be? Other than the PRL, which is taken care of the first
    > time you use the phone and OTA it.


    By tweaking I mean optimized for the CDMA/RF settings which will give
    best performance off Verizon's towers. CDMA/RF settings *aren't* changed
    by *228 AFAIK.

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  5. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 00:45:24 -0500, Steven J Sobol
    <sjsobol@JustThe.net> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >Al Klein <rukbat@pern.org> wrote:


    >> "Tweaked for Verizon's towers"? And what kind of tweaking, exactly,
    >> would that be? Other than the PRL, which is taken care of the first
    >> time you use the phone and OTA it.


    >By tweaking I mean optimized for the CDMA/RF settings which will give
    >best performance off Verizon's towers. CDMA/RF settings *aren't* changed
    >by *228 AFAIK.


    Exactly *WHICH* CDMA/RF settings? AFAIK there aren't any that are
    different from carrier to carrier.
  6. Rod

    Rod Guest

    Al Klein wrote:
    :: On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 00:45:24 -0500, Steven J Sobol
    :: <sjsobol@JustThe.net> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:
    ::
    ::: Al Klein <rukbat@pern.org> wrote:
    ::
    :::: "Tweaked for Verizon's towers"? And what kind of tweaking,
    :::: exactly, would that be? Other than the PRL, which is taken care
    :::: of the first time you use the phone and OTA it.
    ::
    ::: By tweaking I mean optimized for the CDMA/RF settings which will
    ::: give best performance off Verizon's towers. CDMA/RF settings
    ::: *aren't* changed by *228 AFAIK.
    ::
    :: Exactly *WHICH* CDMA/RF settings? AFAIK there aren't any that are
    :: different from carrier to carrier.

    That's what I was thinking but I'm no expert on RF. All I know is that the
    settings in all the CDMA phones I've looked at were the same no matter what
    provider.
  7. Al Klein <rukbat@pern.org> wrote:

    > Exactly *WHICH* CDMA/RF settings? AFAIK there aren't any that are
    > different from carrier to carrier.


    I was under the impression that they were, although I don't have hard
    facts to back that up. It's possible (maybe even probable!) that you're right.

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    Steve Sobol, Proprietor
    888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * sjsobol@JustThe.net
  8. CharlesH

    CharlesH Guest

    In article <bm2epc$hosvf$1@ID-57098.news.uni-berlin.de>,
    Rod <cellular-dude@sprintpcs.com> wrote:
    >Al Klein wrote:
    >:: On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 00:45:24 -0500, Steven J Sobol
    >:: <sjsobol@JustThe.net> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:
    >::
    >::: Al Klein <rukbat@pern.org> wrote:
    >::
    >:::: "Tweaked for Verizon's towers"? And what kind of tweaking,
    >:::: exactly, would that be? Other than the PRL, which is taken care
    >:::: of the first time you use the phone and OTA it.
    >::
    >::: By tweaking I mean optimized for the CDMA/RF settings which will
    >::: give best performance off Verizon's towers. CDMA/RF settings
    >::: *aren't* changed by *228 AFAIK.
    >::
    >:: Exactly *WHICH* CDMA/RF settings? AFAIK there aren't any that are
    >:: different from carrier to carrier.
    >
    >That's what I was thinking but I'm no expert on RF. All I know is that the
    >settings in all the CDMA phones I've looked at were the same no matter what
    >provider.


    What about the slot cycle? Some time ago someone said that SPCS uses
    a different slot cycle than VZW. In fact, some years ago, I set the
    slot cycle on a Motorola SC725 to 2; worked fine in SF Bay area,
    totally locked up the back end of the phone (only the user interface
    worked) in the LA area.
  9. penael

    penael Guest

    As far as I know, the slot cycle doesn't do much anymore these days.
    All the phones I've ever seen are set to '1' as default. By switching
    this value to '2', it would make the phone 'wake-up and look' to
    reestablish itself half as much in standby mode (resulting in better
    battery life), which was still fast enough to not notice any difference
    to the user.
    But from what I've heard, the slot cycle is based from the tower and not
    whatever value is in the phone.


    > What about the slot cycle? Some time ago someone said that SPCS uses
    > a different slot cycle than VZW. In fact, some years ago, I set the
    > slot cycle on a Motorola SC725 to 2; worked fine in SF Bay area,
    > totally locked up the back end of the phone (only the user interface
    > worked) in the LA area.


    [posted via phonescoop.com]
  10. CharlesH

    CharlesH Guest

    In article <vob7iephrs13c6@corp.supernews.com>,
    penael <prom_thus@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >As far as I know, the slot cycle doesn't do much anymore these days.
    >All the phones I've ever seen are set to '1' as default. By switching
    >this value to '2', it would make the phone 'wake-up and look' to
    >reestablish itself half as much in standby mode (resulting in better
    >battery life), which was still fast enough to not notice any difference
    >to the user.
    >But from what I've heard, the slot cycle is based from the tower and not
    >whatever value is in the phone.
    >
    >
    >> What about the slot cycle? Some time ago someone said that SPCS uses
    >> a different slot cycle than VZW. In fact, some years ago, I set the
    >> slot cycle on a Motorola SC725 to 2; worked fine in SF Bay area,
    >> totally locked up the back end of the phone (only the user interface
    >> worked) in the LA area.


    When the phone registers, it suggests to the cell site what slot cycle it
    wants, along with other things, like VOCODER setting. The cell site then
    TELLS the phone what settings to use. It may consider the phone's requests,
    or may completely ignore them; the phone has to do what the cell site
    commands.

    This is for IS-95; don't know if 1xRTT is different in this respect.
  11. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On 9 Oct 2003 17:01:42 GMT, hoch@exemplary.invalid (CharlesH) posted
    in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >What about the slot cycle? Some time ago someone said that SPCS uses
    >a different slot cycle than VZW. In fact, some years ago, I set the
    >slot cycle on a Motorola SC725 to 2; worked fine in SF Bay area,
    >totally locked up the back end of the phone (only the user interface
    >worked) in the LA area.


    That should be set by OTA.
  12. Clay

    Clay Guest

    I successfully activated a Kyocera Phantom on Verizon today. I had to do it
    thru my account on the website because the customer service rep said it
    showed up in the system as a PTT phone and she couldnt activate it on my
    account because I didnt have PTT plan. Then she went on to say that because
    it was a Cellular One branded phone that it wouldnt work on Verizon. I told
    her that it would work just fine and that if she wouldnt change it then i
    would do it myself. I did and 5 minutes later it was working.



    "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.org> wrote in message
    news:dmt6ovc05lulgdc4gmmf3b929m2b48pklh@Pern.rk...
    > On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:29:07 -0500, "Rod" <cellular-dude@sprintpcs.com>
    > posted in alt.cellular.verizon:
    >
    > >Christian Paul wrote:
    > >>> What I have learned is that it's always a possibility. The problem you
    > >> may run into is that each Verizon phone contains an unique phone
    > >> fingerprint that is transmitted when you place a call. If you use a
    > >> phone that doesn't have one of these fingerprints, the network might
    > >> not know what to do with you.

    >
    > >Oh please. If it's trimode and a brand Verizon sells it will work.

    >
    > If it's CDMA it'll work. If it's trimode, Verizon will allow you to
    > use it. If it's a model they support, they'll even support you.
  13. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 20:21:55 -0600, "Clay" <john@doe.com> posted in
    alt.cellular.verizon:

    >I successfully activated a Kyocera Phantom on Verizon today. I had to do it
    >thru my account on the website because the customer service rep said it
    >showed up in the system as a PTT phone and she couldnt activate it on my
    >account because I didnt have PTT plan. Then she went on to say that because
    >it was a Cellular One branded phone that it wouldnt work on Verizon. I told
    >her that it would work just fine and that if she wouldnt change it then i
    >would do it myself. I did and 5 minutes later it was working.


    Good for you!

    Now you can tell others that you *know* that a Cellular One phone can
    be used on Verizon, regardless of what anyone tells them.
  14. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:58:33 -0500, "Rod" <cellular-dude@sprintpcs.com>
    posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >Christian Paul wrote:
    >:: I'm sure you're aware that OTA programming doesn't work for
    >:: non-Verizon phones.


    >Yes it does. If you don't mind, would you quit posting misinformation.


    He's posting what he's been told. We're telling him what we've
    actually done.

    In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're
    not.
  15. Clay

    Clay Guest

    Ive used many Cellular One(WW) phones on verizon. Ive used some verizon
    phones on Cellular One. The technology is identical, you just have to get
    past verizon customer care reps on a power trip.



    "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.org> wrote in message
    news:ktheovk7728vvimp2ci7dqsie8ik1i5oua@Pern.rk...
    > On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 20:21:55 -0600, "Clay" <john@doe.com> posted in
    > alt.cellular.verizon:
    >
    > >I successfully activated a Kyocera Phantom on Verizon today. I had to do

    it
    > >thru my account on the website because the customer service rep said it
    > >showed up in the system as a PTT phone and she couldnt activate it on my
    > >account because I didnt have PTT plan. Then she went on to say that

    because
    > >it was a Cellular One branded phone that it wouldnt work on Verizon. I

    told
    > >her that it would work just fine and that if she wouldnt change it then i
    > >would do it myself. I did and 5 minutes later it was working.

    >
    > Good for you!
    >
    > Now you can tell others that you *know* that a Cellular One phone can
    > be used on Verizon, regardless of what anyone tells them.
  16. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:04:32 -0600, "Clay" <john@doe.com> posted in
    alt.cellular.verizon:

    >Ive used many Cellular One(WW) phones on verizon. Ive used some verizon
    >phones on Cellular One. The technology is identical, you just have to get
    >past verizon customer care reps on a power trip.


    It's nice that you can do your own ESN change on line now.
  17. Clay

    Clay Guest

    Yes it is and if you have C1(WW) I can change your esn if cc wont.
    "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.org> wrote in message
    news:e6egovoa8pl18vn15dv8urscnctma7asik@Pern.rk...
    > On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:04:32 -0600, "Clay" <john@doe.com> posted in
    > alt.cellular.verizon:
    >
    > >Ive used many Cellular One(WW) phones on verizon. Ive used some verizon
    > >phones on Cellular One. The technology is identical, you just have to get
    > >past verizon customer care reps on a power trip.

    >
    > It's nice that you can do your own ESN change on line now.
  18. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:38:17 -0600, "Clay" <john@doe.com> posted in
    alt.cellular.verizon:

    >Yes it is and if you have C1(WW) I can change your esn if cc wont.


    I'm glad I can do my own now. My wife needs the extra power in analog
    on the 7868 when she's in the office, so she switches any time she
    needs the phone at work, then switches back before she leaves. (In an
    area in which Nextel, Sprint and even T-Mobile have solid coverage in
    the building.)

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