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Looking to upgrade my ST7868 to Motorola V60s (is it a good move)?

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Todd B, Mar 10, 2004.

  1. Todd B

    Todd B Guest

    Ok, so maybe I'm either stupid or gullible. I understood that the Startac is
    too old to be able to receive the software updates (*228) and track if its
    on the Verizon network, a partner network, or roaming. Am I being horn
    swaggled by the sales rep or do I really need to upgrade to a newer phone in
    order to get "IN Network"?


    "Dick" <LeadWinger> wrote in message
    news:eo3550pff3ut8n9odrf9dmpge5otkg10eo@4ax.com...
    > You will have to explain that to me. I use National SingleRate, which
    > is Verizon's highest level of service (entire U.S.A without gaps).
    > The 7868 is a tri-mode, CDMA phone, and I assure you I can sign up
    > with Amercas Choice with this phone. What am I overlooking?
    >
    > Dick
    >
    >
    > On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 21:38:24 -0500, "Todd B" <tbaskett@ptd.net> wrote:
    >
    > >I appreciate everyone telling me how great the 7868 is, but if I and to

    take
    > >advantage of Americas Choice nationwide, I have to upgrade...and the
    > >speakerphone IS good! Anyone want to buy a 7868?

    >
     



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  2. "Theodore Heise" <theo@heise.nu> wrote in message
    news:200402130840.PNR04543@heise.nu...
    > fish writes:
    > > Todd B inquired...
    > >
    > > > I have a startac 7868 that has been
    > > > VERY good to me over the years

    > >
    > > Ah, I sense loyalty to your Motorola brand. I started with a Star Tac
    > > myself.

    >
    > Me too. I hated to give up that phone, but the desire for a 1X capable
    > phone was too strong to resist.
    >
    >
    > > > Anyone care to make a reccomendation?

    > >
    > > I recommend the Samsung SCH-a610 color camera flip-swivel phone because

    it
    > > has everything, plus the best battery life of every cellular phone out
    > > there, hands down.
    > >
    > > This Friday will mark 2 weeks from the time I charged it and the battery

    is
    > > on 2 bars!

    >
    > I first tried a V60s, and was *very* disappointed with the battery life.
    > After a couple of days I exchanged it for a Samsung a530, and have been
    > very pleased. See the "successfully port to vzw, questions about the

    V60s"
    > thread for more discussion of my experience.


    I have the V60s. I'm getting about five days of battery life, though I
    haven't let it go down to zero, I suspect it'd go about seven days between
    charges. I probably use it about ten minutes per day. I guess it's not the
    right phone if you talk several hours per day on your phone, but if you're
    like most people, when you come home you connect it to the charger, and the
    next morning it's fully charged.
     
  3. tgw

    tgw Guest

    The StarTAC 7868W works on America's Choice, but it is not 1X capable.
    Also, it is not aGPS capable, so it is becoming more and more difficult to
    add as a new activation.

    "Todd B" <tbaskett@ptd.net> wrote in message
    news:du-cnfVzk8abhs7dUSdV9g@ptd.net...
    > Ok, so maybe I'm either stupid or gullible. I understood that the Startac

    is
    > too old to be able to receive the software updates (*228) and track if its
    > on the Verizon network, a partner network, or roaming. Am I being horn
    > swaggled by the sales rep or do I really need to upgrade to a newer phone

    in
    > order to get "IN Network"?
    >
    >
    > "Dick" <LeadWinger> wrote in message
    > news:eo3550pff3ut8n9odrf9dmpge5otkg10eo@4ax.com...
    > > You will have to explain that to me. I use National SingleRate, which
    > > is Verizon's highest level of service (entire U.S.A without gaps).
    > > The 7868 is a tri-mode, CDMA phone, and I assure you I can sign up
    > > with Amercas Choice with this phone. What am I overlooking?
    > >
    > > Dick
    > >
    > >
    > > On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 21:38:24 -0500, "Todd B" <tbaskett@ptd.net> wrote:
    > >
    > > >I appreciate everyone telling me how great the 7868 is, but if I and to

    > take
    > > >advantage of Americas Choice nationwide, I have to upgrade...and the
    > > >speakerphone IS good! Anyone want to buy a 7868?

    > >

    >
    >
     
  4. "tgw" </dev/null@spam.com> wrote in message
    news:3bH4c.36428$aT1.35574@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > The StarTAC 7868W works on America's Choice, but it is not 1X capable.
    > Also, it is not aGPS capable, so it is becoming more and more difficult to
    > add as a new activation.


    True, but couldn't you activate with a free phone then activate teh StarTAC
    on-line?
     
  5. tgw

    tgw Guest

    There are a couple of configuration "tweaks" to improve battery life on the
    V60s:

    1) turn off the external status ID
    2) set the AMPS system ID to 0 (lessens analog hunting)
    3) use a larger battery (the 700 mAh standard battery is too small,
    especially if you use the speakerphone) -- I use a 1200 mAh third-party
    battery with the extended battery cover

    "Theodore Heise" <theo@heise.nu> wrote in message
    news:200402130840.PNR04543@heise.nu...
    >
    > I first tried a V60s, and was *very* disappointed with the battery life.
    > After a couple of days I exchanged it for a Samsung a530, and have been
    > very pleased. See the "successfully port to vzw, questions about the

    V60s"
    > thread for more discussion of my experience.
    >
    > --
    > Theodore Heise <theo@heise.nu> Bloomington, IN, USA
     
  6. L'l John

    L'l John Guest

    "Todd B" <tbaskett@ptd.net> wrote in message
    news:du-cnfVzk8abhs7dUSdV9g@ptd.net...
    | Ok, so maybe I'm either stupid or gullible. I understood that the Startac
    is
    | too old to be able to receive the software updates (*228) and track if its
    | on the Verizon network, a partner network, or roaming. Am I being horn
    | swaggled by the sales rep or do I really need to upgrade to a newer phone
    in
    | order to get "IN Network"?

    HORNSWAGGLED!

    I use a Startac 7868 and it is perfectly capable to do *228. It can also let
    you know when you are on home network, extended network or roaming.
    It will indicate extended network with a flashing "roam" (No charge).
    Roaming is shown with a solid "roam" (Charges). Home doesn't indicate any
    "roam".
    John
     
  7. tgw

    tgw Guest

    Also, the 7868Ws that I used in the past had another great feature -- if you
    set the phone to Home Only, it would lock onto ANY native VZW SID, not just
    your home SID. This could be helpful in areas where you had marginal native
    VZW service with a nearby full roam system.

    "L'l John" <je_norrisremove@thishotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:SqH4c.2763$zP2.690@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
    >
    > "Todd B" <tbaskett@ptd.net> wrote in message
    > news:du-cnfVzk8abhs7dUSdV9g@ptd.net...
    > | Ok, so maybe I'm either stupid or gullible. I understood that the

    Startac
    > is
    > | too old to be able to receive the software updates (*228) and track if

    its
    > | on the Verizon network, a partner network, or roaming. Am I being horn
    > | swaggled by the sales rep or do I really need to upgrade to a newer

    phone
    > in
    > | order to get "IN Network"?
    >
    > HORNSWAGGLED!
    >
    > I use a Startac 7868 and it is perfectly capable to do *228. It can also

    let
    > you know when you are on home network, extended network or roaming.
    > It will indicate extended network with a flashing "roam" (No charge).
    > Roaming is shown with a solid "roam" (Charges). Home doesn't indicate any
    > "roam".
    > John
    >
    >
     
  8. Peter Pan

    Peter Pan Guest

    "Todd B" <tbaskett@ptd.net> wrote in message
    news:du-cnfVzk8abhs7dUSdV9g@ptd.net...
    > Ok, so maybe I'm either stupid or gullible. I understood that the Startac

    is
    > too old to be able to receive the software updates (*228) and track if its
    > on the Verizon network, a partner network, or roaming. Am I being horn
    > swaggled by the sales rep or do I really need to upgrade to a newer phone

    in
    > order to get "IN Network"?
    >
    >


    Here's a total shocker. The verizon sales rep won't make any money, via
    commission, unless he lies to you, and talks you into buying a new phone!

    Hate to tell you, but you are being horn-swaggled.
     
  9. Eric

    Eric Guest

    How do you set the AMPS system ID to zero? Where is that in the menus?

    "tgw" </dev/null@spam.com> wrote in message
    news:TmH4c.36442$aT1.1646@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > There are a couple of configuration "tweaks" to improve battery life on

    the
    > V60s:
    >
    > 1) turn off the external status ID
    > 2) set the AMPS system ID to 0 (lessens analog hunting)
    > 3) use a larger battery (the 700 mAh standard battery is too

    small,
    > especially if you use the speakerphone) -- I use a 1200 mAh third-party
    > battery with the extended battery cover
     
  10. tgw

    tgw Guest

    Dial 74663# followed by Menu Menu (menu key twice). Select NAM 1 from User
    Activation menu. Scroll down to AMPS Sys ID. Change from current setting
    (Normally the same as CDMA Sys ID) to 0. Phone will soft reset (power
    cycle) once you exit the menus.

    "Eric" <eric@nospam.net> wrote in message
    news:34I4c.9632$5u1.9446@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com...
    > How do you set the AMPS system ID to zero? Where is that in the menus?
    >
    > "tgw" </dev/null@spam.com> wrote in message
    > news:TmH4c.36442$aT1.1646@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > > There are a couple of configuration "tweaks" to improve battery life on

    > the
    > > V60s:
    > >
    > > 1) turn off the external status ID
    > > 2) set the AMPS system ID to 0 (lessens analog hunting)
    > > 3) use a larger battery (the 700 mAh standard battery is too

    > small,
    > > especially if you use the speakerphone) -- I use a 1200 mAh third-party
    > > battery with the extended battery cover

    >
    >
     
  11. Eric

    Eric Guest

    I've got the V60s, and I can't get this key combination to work. When I hit
    Menu, it just brings up the "Dialing Menu" and the second press of Menu
    doesn't change the screen.

    "tgw" </dev/null@spam.com> wrote in message
    news:2II4c.36556$aT1.17629@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > Dial 74663# followed by Menu Menu (menu key twice). Select NAM 1 from

    User
    > Activation menu. Scroll down to AMPS Sys ID. Change from current setting
    > (Normally the same as CDMA Sys ID) to 0. Phone will soft reset (power
    > cycle) once you exit the menus.
    >
    > "Eric" <eric@nospam.net> wrote in message
    > news:34I4c.9632$5u1.9446@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com...
    > > How do you set the AMPS system ID to zero? Where is that in the menus?
    > >
    > > "tgw" </dev/null@spam.com> wrote in message
    > > news:TmH4c.36442$aT1.1646@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > > > There are a couple of configuration "tweaks" to improve battery life

    on
    > > the
    > > > V60s:
    > > >
    > > > 1) turn off the external status ID
    > > > 2) set the AMPS system ID to 0 (lessens analog hunting)
    > > > 3) use a larger battery (the 700 mAh standard battery is too

    > > small,
    > > > especially if you use the speakerphone) -- I use a 1200 mAh

    third-party
    > > > battery with the extended battery cover

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
     
  12. Eric

    Eric Guest

    Nevermind. I got it to work. The timing of the key presses is critical.
    Thanks for the info.

    Eric

    "Eric" <eric@nospam.net> wrote in message
    news:KmJ4c.9671$mn2.1443@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com...
    > I've got the V60s, and I can't get this key combination to work. When I

    hit
    > Menu, it just brings up the "Dialing Menu" and the second press of Menu
    > doesn't change the screen.
    >
    > "tgw" </dev/null@spam.com> wrote in message
    > news:2II4c.36556$aT1.17629@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > > Dial 74663# followed by Menu Menu (menu key twice). Select NAM 1 from

    > User
    > > Activation menu. Scroll down to AMPS Sys ID. Change from current

    setting
    > > (Normally the same as CDMA Sys ID) to 0. Phone will soft reset (power
    > > cycle) once you exit the menus.
    > >
    > > "Eric" <eric@nospam.net> wrote in message
    > > news:34I4c.9632$5u1.9446@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com...
    > > > How do you set the AMPS system ID to zero? Where is that in the

    menus?
    > > >
    > > > "tgw" </dev/null@spam.com> wrote in message
    > > > news:TmH4c.36442$aT1.1646@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > > > > There are a couple of configuration "tweaks" to improve battery life

    > on
    > > > the
    > > > > V60s:
    > > > >
    > > > > 1) turn off the external status ID
    > > > > 2) set the AMPS system ID to 0 (lessens analog hunting)
    > > > > 3) use a larger battery (the 700 mAh standard battery is too
    > > > small,
    > > > > especially if you use the speakerphone) -- I use a 1200 mAh

    > third-party
    > > > > battery with the extended battery cover
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
     
  13. "Eric" <eric@nospam.net> wrote in message
    news:KmJ4c.9671$mn2.1443@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com...
    > I've got the V60s, and I can't get this key combination to work. When I

    hit
    > Menu, it just brings up the "Dialing Menu" and the second press of Menu
    > doesn't change the screen.


    Press menu twice at the end really fast. It works.
     
  14. Todd B

    Todd B Guest

    I'm going to buy my hard to locate V60s tomorrow and want to clarify these
    tweaks/fixes before I commit to a phone that only has two identifiable
    deficiencies as far as I can tell (limited battery life, especially when
    lookin for analog or on the speaker and the stubby antannae not getting
    optimal RF reception).

    1) Is the external status ID the same as the caller ID window?

    2) How much less AMPS (I assume you mean analog) hunting. Will Analog still
    work?

    3) How much are the 1200 mAh batteries and do I really need one if I recharg
    in the car and at home every night?

    Thanks

    "tgw" </dev/null@spam.com> wrote in message
    news:TmH4c.36442$aT1.1646@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > There are a couple of configuration "tweaks" to improve battery life on

    the
    > V60s:
    >
    > 1) turn off the external status ID
    > 2) set the AMPS system ID to 0 (lessens analog hunting)
    > 3) use a larger battery (the 700 mAh standard battery is too

    small,
    > especially if you use the speakerphone) -- I use a 1200 mAh third-party
    > battery with the extended battery cover
    >
    > "Theodore Heise" <theo@heise.nu> wrote in message
    > news:200402130840.PNR04543@heise.nu...
    > >
    > > I first tried a V60s, and was *very* disappointed with the battery life.
    > > After a couple of days I exchanged it for a Samsung a530, and have been
    > > very pleased. See the "successfully port to vzw, questions about the

    > V60s"
    > > thread for more discussion of my experience.
    > >
    > > --
    > > Theodore Heise <theo@heise.nu> Bloomington, IN, USA

    >
    >
     
  15. Todd B

    Todd B Guest

    I knew it all along. Guess I need to go back and apologize to the poor guy
    at Radio Shack who I thought didn't know his ass from a hole in the wall.
    Damn if he wasn't right on the money. To bad they don't have any V60s left
    in their stock...except for the 1 demo they will sell me for full price $99.

    "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:c2vid9$22csaf$1@ID-190045.news.uni-berlin.de...
    >
    > "Todd B" <tbaskett@ptd.net> wrote in message
    > news:du-cnfVzk8abhs7dUSdV9g@ptd.net...
    > > Ok, so maybe I'm either stupid or gullible. I understood that the

    Startac
    > is
    > > too old to be able to receive the software updates (*228) and track if

    its
    > > on the Verizon network, a partner network, or roaming. Am I being horn
    > > swaggled by the sales rep or do I really need to upgrade to a newer

    phone
    > in
    > > order to get "IN Network"?
    > >
    > >

    >
    > Here's a total shocker. The verizon sales rep won't make any money, via
    > commission, unless he lies to you, and talks you into buying a new phone!
    >
    > Hate to tell you, but you are being horn-swaggled.
    >
    >
     
  16. Dick

    Dick Guest

    Just to clarify things. I just did a *228 on my StarTac ST7868 and
    upgraded both the software and the roaming. Worked perfectly.

    Dick

    On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 09:30:58 -0500, "Todd B" <tbaskett@ptd.net> wrote:

    >Ok, so maybe I'm either stupid or gullible. I understood that the Startac is
    >too old to be able to receive the software updates (*228) and track if its
    >on the Verizon network, a partner network, or roaming. Am I being horn
    >swaggled by the sales rep or do I really need to upgrade to a newer phone in
    >order to get "IN Network"?
     
  17. Scott Nelson

    Scott Nelson Guest

    Yes.

    Scotty


    "Steven M. Scharf" <scharf.steven@linkearth.net> wrote in message
    news:5kH4c.36441$aT1.15536@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    >
    > "tgw" </dev/null@spam.com> wrote in message
    > news:3bH4c.36428$aT1.35574@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > > The StarTAC 7868W works on America's Choice, but it is not 1X capable.
    > > Also, it is not aGPS capable, so it is becoming more and more difficult

    to
    > > add as a new activation.

    >
    > True, but couldn't you activate with a free phone then activate teh

    StarTAC
    > on-line?
    >
    >
     
  18. Scott Nelson

    Scott Nelson Guest

    Big surprise right? ;-)

    Scotty


    "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:c2vid9$22csaf$1@ID-190045.news.uni-berlin.de...
    >
    > "Todd B" <tbaskett@ptd.net> wrote in message
    > news:du-cnfVzk8abhs7dUSdV9g@ptd.net...
    > > Ok, so maybe I'm either stupid or gullible. I understood that the

    Startac
    > is
    > > too old to be able to receive the software updates (*228) and track if

    its
    > > on the Verizon network, a partner network, or roaming. Am I being horn
    > > swaggled by the sales rep or do I really need to upgrade to a newer

    phone
    > in
    > > order to get "IN Network"?
    > >
    > >

    >
    > Here's a total shocker. The verizon sales rep won't make any money, via
    > commission, unless he lies to you, and talks you into buying a new phone!
    >
    > Hate to tell you, but you are being horn-swaggled.
    >
    >
     
  19. tgw

    tgw Guest

    1) I meant external status light (not ID). It is the little light at the
    top, right corner of the front of the phone (when looking at it with the
    flip closed). It indicates that the phone is on, home or roaming, incoming
    call (in addition to ringer),...

    2) You are correct -- AMPS = analog. Analog still works based upon SIDs in
    the PRL, but setting the AMPS system ID to 0 makes it lock onto a digital
    signal much better (for whatever reason). This is common among Motorola
    phones.

    3) Whether you need an extneded battery depends on individual usage
    patterns -- you can try the original battery to see if it suits your needs.
    700 mAh is one of the smaller batteries sold with phones today. I bought
    the 1200 mAh battery for $27:

    http://www.factorydirectcellular.com/home/motorola/v60.htm

    Also, any of the standard Motorola V60 series (e.g., V60p faceplate sets at
    VZW) extended battery covers will fit over this battery. The one included
    with the battery is plastic, and doesn't fit in the holster. Luckily, the
    battery is much better quality (I have bought others for other phones from
    the same vendor.).

    "Todd B" <tbaskett@ptd.net> wrote in message
    news:MM6dnQsuosKmC87dUSdV9g@ptd.net...
    > I'm going to buy my hard to locate V60s tomorrow and want to clarify these
    > tweaks/fixes before I commit to a phone that only has two identifiable
    > deficiencies as far as I can tell (limited battery life, especially when
    > lookin for analog or on the speaker and the stubby antannae not getting
    > optimal RF reception).
    >
    > 1) Is the external status ID the same as the caller ID window?
    >
    > 2) How much less AMPS (I assume you mean analog) hunting. Will Analog

    still
    > work?
    >
    > 3) How much are the 1200 mAh batteries and do I really need one if I

    recharg
    > in the car and at home every night?
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > "tgw" </dev/null@spam.com> wrote in message
    > news:TmH4c.36442$aT1.1646@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > > There are a couple of configuration "tweaks" to improve battery life on

    > the
    > > V60s:
    > >
    > > 1) turn off the external status ID
    > > 2) set the AMPS system ID to 0 (lessens analog hunting)
    > > 3) use a larger battery (the 700 mAh standard battery is too

    > small,
    > > especially if you use the speakerphone) -- I use a 1200 mAh third-party
    > > battery with the extended battery cover
    > >
    > > "Theodore Heise" <theo@heise.nu> wrote in message
    > > news:200402130840.PNR04543@heise.nu...
    > > >
    > > > I first tried a V60s, and was *very* disappointed with the battery

    life.
    > > > After a couple of days I exchanged it for a Samsung a530, and have

    been
    > > > very pleased. See the "successfully port to vzw, questions about the

    > > V60s"
    > > > thread for more discussion of my experience.
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > Theodore Heise <theo@heise.nu> Bloomington, IN, USA

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
     
  20. tgw writes:
    > There are a couple of configuration "tweaks" to improve battery life on the
    > V60s:
    >
    > 1) turn off the external status ID
    > 2) set the AMPS system ID to 0 (lessens analog hunting)
    > 3) use a larger battery (the 700 mAh standard battery is too small,
    > especially if you use the speakerphone) -- I use a 1200 mAh third-party
    > battery with the extended battery cover


    All good suggestions, thanks. In my case the phone with standard battery
    was already too thick, so going to an even thicker configuration was not
    an option I was willing to consider.

    --
    Theodore Heise <theo@heise.nu> Bloomington, IN, USA
     

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