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Looking to upgrade my ST7868 to Motorola V60s (is it a good move)?

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Todd B, Mar 10, 2004.

  1. tgw

    tgw Guest

    Just to clarify -- *228 does not update software. Option 2 updates the PRL
    (Preferred Roaming List), and Option 1 configures the phone for VZW's
    network. Software (more correctly firmware) updates require that a VZW tech
    upload the new firmware via a PC and cable.

    "Dick" <LeadWinger> wrote in message
    news:cv7750puiovrhf2a7ibv1f04cot94vju3j@4ax.com...
    > Just to clarify things. I just did a *228 on my StarTac ST7868 and
    > upgraded both the software and the roaming. Worked perfectly.
    >
    > Dick
    >
    > On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 09:30:58 -0500, "Todd B" <tbaskett@ptd.net> wrote:
    >
    > >Ok, so maybe I'm either stupid or gullible. I understood that the Startac

    is
    > >too old to be able to receive the software updates (*228) and track if

    its
    > >on the Verizon network, a partner network, or roaming. Am I being horn
    > >swaggled by the sales rep or do I really need to upgrade to a newer phone

    in
    > >order to get "IN Network"?

    >
     



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  2. Dick

    Dick Guest

    Thanks for your clarification. When the operator says, "Press 1 to
    program your phone" one would tend to think that the software/firmware
    would be updated. My point was that the Radio Shack guy said *228
    updates couldn't be done.

    Dick

    On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 03:13:48 GMT, "tgw" </dev/null@spam.com> wrote:

    >Just to clarify -- *228 does not update software. Option 2 updates the PRL
    >(Preferred Roaming List), and Option 1 configures the phone for VZW's
    >network. Software (more correctly firmware) updates require that a VZW tech
    >upload the new firmware via a PC and cable.
    >
    >"Dick" <LeadWinger> wrote in message
    >news:cv7750puiovrhf2a7ibv1f04cot94vju3j@4ax.com...
    >> Just to clarify things. I just did a *228 on my StarTac ST7868 and
    >> upgraded both the software and the roaming. Worked perfectly.
    >>
    >> Dick
    >>
    >> On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 09:30:58 -0500, "Todd B" <tbaskett@ptd.net> wrote:
    >>
    >> >Ok, so maybe I'm either stupid or gullible. I understood that the Startac

    >is
    >> >too old to be able to receive the software updates (*228) and track if

    >its
    >> >on the Verizon network, a partner network, or roaming. Am I being horn
    >> >swaggled by the sales rep or do I really need to upgrade to a newer phone

    >in
    >> >order to get "IN Network"?

    >>

    >
     
  3. ken moffat

    ken moffat Guest

    Theodore Heise wrote:
    > tgw writes:
    >
    >>There are a couple of configuration "tweaks" to improve battery life on the
    >>V60s:
    >>
    >> 1) turn off the external status ID
    >> 2) set the AMPS system ID to 0 (lessens analog hunting)
    >> 3) use a larger battery (the 700 mAh standard battery is too small,
    >>especially if you use the speakerphone) -- I use a 1200 mAh third-party
    >>battery with the extended battery cover

    >
    >
    > All good suggestions, thanks. In my case the phone with standard battery
    > was already too thick, so going to an even thicker configuration was not
    > an option I was willing to consider.
    >


    The externel status light is off by default.

    Does anyone know if the 800mAh battery is bulkier than the standard 700?
    I bought a leather case and need to be able to continue using it.
     
  4. ken moffat writes:
    > Theodore Heise wrote:
    > >
    > > All good suggestions, thanks. In my case the phone with standard battery
    > > was already too thick, so going to an even thicker configuration was not
    > > an option I was willing to consider.
    > >

    >
    > The externel status light is off by default.
    >
    > Does anyone know if the 800mAh battery is bulkier than the standard 700?
    > I bought a leather case and need to be able to continue using it.


    The salesperson at Radio Shack said that the higher capacity battery
    doesn't fit under the standard cover, and a somewhat deeper cover is
    needed in addition to the other battery.

    --
    Theodore Heise <theo@heise.nu> Bloomington, IN, USA
     
  5. tgw

    tgw Guest

    If you are asking about the 800 mAh battery from factorydirectcellular.com,
    it will fit under the battery cover that comes with the V60s. The phone
    will fit into the leather cases with the extended battery and cover -- with
    the extended battery, the V60s is identical in size to the V60p, which comes
    with a 900 mAh Motorola battery.

    "ken moffat" <kmoffat@drizzle.com> wrote in message
    news:1079241496.483383@yasure...
    > Theodore Heise wrote:
    > > tgw writes:
    > >
    > >>There are a couple of configuration "tweaks" to improve battery life on

    the
    > >>V60s:
    > >>
    > >> 1) turn off the external status ID
    > >> 2) set the AMPS system ID to 0 (lessens analog hunting)
    > >> 3) use a larger battery (the 700 mAh standard battery is too

    small,
    > >>especially if you use the speakerphone) -- I use a 1200 mAh third-party
    > >>battery with the extended battery cover

    > >
    > >
    > > All good suggestions, thanks. In my case the phone with standard

    battery
    > > was already too thick, so going to an even thicker configuration was not
    > > an option I was willing to consider.
    > >

    >
    > The externel status light is off by default.
    >
    > Does anyone know if the 800mAh battery is bulkier than the standard 700?
    > I bought a leather case and need to be able to continue using it.
    >
     
  6. Todd B

    Todd B Guest

    Ok, So i got my V60s today and will apply these tweaks to get a little extra
    battery life if a daily charge doesnt get me through the day. Some guy
    wanted $70 for the 1200 Mamp battery, but I'll wait till I'm sure I'm going
    to keep it before chasing that down for less.

    Couple of questions I'm trying to figure out though and maybe someone can
    help.

    1) I've found the ringer styles (loud, soft, vibrate, vib & ring, etc.), but
    how do I use or more to the point apply the various musical tones that can
    be selected for individual incoming calls from certain people (yes I
    stumbled across that feature when setting up my wife & daughter for voice
    dialing)? They are obviously already in the phone from the vendor, but I
    can't seem to select a new musical tune to play when a call comes in
    regardles of whether it loud, soft, vib, etc. I'm also curious where to go
    for the ringer tones once I get a data cable (not through GET IT NIOW).

    Can anyone help??

    Todd B.

    "tgw" </dev/null@spam.com> wrote in message
    news:UMP4c.19580$%06.10821@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > 1) I meant external status light (not ID). It is the little light at the
    > top, right corner of the front of the phone (when looking at it with the
    > flip closed). It indicates that the phone is on, home or roaming,

    incoming
    > call (in addition to ringer),...
    >
    > 2) You are correct -- AMPS = analog. Analog still works based upon SIDs

    in
    > the PRL, but setting the AMPS system ID to 0 makes it lock onto a digital
    > signal much better (for whatever reason). This is common among Motorola
    > phones.
    >
    > 3) Whether you need an extneded battery depends on individual usage
    > patterns -- you can try the original battery to see if it suits your

    needs.
    > 700 mAh is one of the smaller batteries sold with phones today. I bought
    > the 1200 mAh battery for $27:
    >
    > http://www.factorydirectcellular.com/home/motorola/v60.htm
    >
    > Also, any of the standard Motorola V60 series (e.g., V60p faceplate sets

    at
    > VZW) extended battery covers will fit over this battery. The one included
    > with the battery is plastic, and doesn't fit in the holster. Luckily, the
    > battery is much better quality (I have bought others for other phones from
    > the same vendor.).
    >
    > "Todd B" <tbaskett@ptd.net> wrote in message
    > news:MM6dnQsuosKmC87dUSdV9g@ptd.net...
    > > I'm going to buy my hard to locate V60s tomorrow and want to clarify

    these
    > > tweaks/fixes before I commit to a phone that only has two identifiable
    > > deficiencies as far as I can tell (limited battery life, especially when
    > > lookin for analog or on the speaker and the stubby antannae not getting
    > > optimal RF reception).
    > >
    > > 1) Is the external status ID the same as the caller ID window?
    > >
    > > 2) How much less AMPS (I assume you mean analog) hunting. Will Analog

    > still
    > > work?
    > >
    > > 3) How much are the 1200 mAh batteries and do I really need one if I

    > recharg
    > > in the car and at home every night?
    > >
    > > Thanks
    > >
    > > "tgw" </dev/null@spam.com> wrote in message
    > > news:TmH4c.36442$aT1.1646@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > > > There are a couple of configuration "tweaks" to improve battery life

    on
    > > the
    > > > V60s:
    > > >
    > > > 1) turn off the external status ID
    > > > 2) set the AMPS system ID to 0 (lessens analog hunting)
    > > > 3) use a larger battery (the 700 mAh standard battery is too

    > > small,
    > > > especially if you use the speakerphone) -- I use a 1200 mAh

    third-party
    > > > battery with the extended battery cover
    > > >
    > > > "Theodore Heise" <theo@heise.nu> wrote in message
    > > > news:200402130840.PNR04543@heise.nu...
    > > > >
    > > > > I first tried a V60s, and was *very* disappointed with the battery

    > life.
    > > > > After a couple of days I exchanged it for a Samsung a530, and have

    > been
    > > > > very pleased. See the "successfully port to vzw, questions about

    the
    > > > V60s"
    > > > > thread for more discussion of my experience.
    > > > >
    > > > > --
    > > > > Theodore Heise <theo@heise.nu> Bloomington, IN, USA
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
     
  7. tgw

    tgw Guest

    You can turn the feature on/off by ring style. For each ring style (Loud,
    Soft, ...) where you want the distinctive ringers to work, use the following
    steps:

    Select Ring Styles.
    Select _____ Detail.
    Scroll to Ringer IDs. Change to "On".

    I am not aware of a way to add ringtones with a cable. You can either enter
    them by hand (under My Tones in the phone menus), or download them from
    vtext.com.

    "Todd B" <tbaskett@ptd.net> wrote in message
    news:0eCcnbZUhO0AasndUSdV9g@ptd.net...
    > Ok, So i got my V60s today and will apply these tweaks to get a little

    extra
    > battery life if a daily charge doesnt get me through the day. Some guy
    > wanted $70 for the 1200 Mamp battery, but I'll wait till I'm sure I'm

    going
    > to keep it before chasing that down for less.
    >
    > Couple of questions I'm trying to figure out though and maybe someone can
    > help.
    >
    > 1) I've found the ringer styles (loud, soft, vibrate, vib & ring, etc.),

    but
    > how do I use or more to the point apply the various musical tones that

    can
    > be selected for individual incoming calls from certain people (yes I
    > stumbled across that feature when setting up my wife & daughter for voice
    > dialing)? They are obviously already in the phone from the vendor, but I
    > can't seem to select a new musical tune to play when a call comes in
    > regardles of whether it loud, soft, vib, etc. I'm also curious where to go
    > for the ringer tones once I get a data cable (not through GET IT NIOW).
    >
    > Can anyone help??
    >
    > Todd B.
    >
    > "tgw" </dev/null@spam.com> wrote in message
    > news:UMP4c.19580$%06.10821@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > > 1) I meant external status light (not ID). It is the little light at

    the
    > > top, right corner of the front of the phone (when looking at it with the
    > > flip closed). It indicates that the phone is on, home or roaming,

    > incoming
    > > call (in addition to ringer),...
    > >
    > > 2) You are correct -- AMPS = analog. Analog still works based upon SIDs

    > in
    > > the PRL, but setting the AMPS system ID to 0 makes it lock onto a

    digital
    > > signal much better (for whatever reason). This is common among Motorola
    > > phones.
    > >
    > > 3) Whether you need an extneded battery depends on individual usage
    > > patterns -- you can try the original battery to see if it suits your

    > needs.
    > > 700 mAh is one of the smaller batteries sold with phones today. I

    bought
    > > the 1200 mAh battery for $27:
    > >
    > > http://www.factorydirectcellular.com/home/motorola/v60.htm
    > >
    > > Also, any of the standard Motorola V60 series (e.g., V60p faceplate sets

    > at
    > > VZW) extended battery covers will fit over this battery. The one

    included
    > > with the battery is plastic, and doesn't fit in the holster. Luckily,

    the
    > > battery is much better quality (I have bought others for other phones

    from
    > > the same vendor.).
    > >
    > > "Todd B" <tbaskett@ptd.net> wrote in message
    > > news:MM6dnQsuosKmC87dUSdV9g@ptd.net...
    > > > I'm going to buy my hard to locate V60s tomorrow and want to clarify

    > these
    > > > tweaks/fixes before I commit to a phone that only has two identifiable
    > > > deficiencies as far as I can tell (limited battery life, especially

    when
    > > > lookin for analog or on the speaker and the stubby antannae not

    getting
    > > > optimal RF reception).
    > > >
    > > > 1) Is the external status ID the same as the caller ID window?
    > > >
    > > > 2) How much less AMPS (I assume you mean analog) hunting. Will Analog

    > > still
    > > > work?
    > > >
    > > > 3) How much are the 1200 mAh batteries and do I really need one if I

    > > recharg
    > > > in the car and at home every night?
    > > >
    > > > Thanks
    > > >
    > > > "tgw" </dev/null@spam.com> wrote in message
    > > > news:TmH4c.36442$aT1.1646@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > > > > There are a couple of configuration "tweaks" to improve battery life

    > on
    > > > the
    > > > > V60s:
    > > > >
    > > > > 1) turn off the external status ID
    > > > > 2) set the AMPS system ID to 0 (lessens analog hunting)
    > > > > 3) use a larger battery (the 700 mAh standard battery is too
    > > > small,
    > > > > especially if you use the speakerphone) -- I use a 1200 mAh

    > third-party
    > > > > battery with the extended battery cover
    > > > >
    > > > > "Theodore Heise" <theo@heise.nu> wrote in message
    > > > > news:200402130840.PNR04543@heise.nu...
    > > > > >
    > > > > > I first tried a V60s, and was *very* disappointed with the battery

    > > life.
    > > > > > After a couple of days I exchanged it for a Samsung a530, and have

    > > been
    > > > > > very pleased. See the "successfully port to vzw, questions about

    > the
    > > > > V60s"
    > > > > > thread for more discussion of my experience.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > --
    > > > > > Theodore Heise <theo@heise.nu> Bloomington, IN, USA
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
     
  8. tgw

    tgw Guest

    BTW, 1200 mAh battery is $27 at factorydirectcellular.com.

    "Todd B" <tbaskett@ptd.net> wrote in message
    news:0eCcnbZUhO0AasndUSdV9g@ptd.net...
    > Ok, So i got my V60s today and will apply these tweaks to get a little

    extra
    > battery life if a daily charge doesnt get me through the day. Some guy
    > wanted $70 for the 1200 Mamp battery, but I'll wait till I'm sure I'm

    going
    > to keep it before chasing that down for less.
    >
    > Couple of questions I'm trying to figure out though and maybe someone can
    > help.
    >
    > 1) I've found the ringer styles (loud, soft, vibrate, vib & ring, etc.),

    but
    > how do I use or more to the point apply the various musical tones that

    can
    > be selected for individual incoming calls from certain people (yes I
    > stumbled across that feature when setting up my wife & daughter for voice
    > dialing)? They are obviously already in the phone from the vendor, but I
    > can't seem to select a new musical tune to play when a call comes in
    > regardles of whether it loud, soft, vib, etc. I'm also curious where to go
    > for the ringer tones once I get a data cable (not through GET IT NIOW).
    >
    > Can anyone help??
    >
    > Todd B.
    >
    > "tgw" </dev/null@spam.com> wrote in message
    > news:UMP4c.19580$%06.10821@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > > 1) I meant external status light (not ID). It is the little light at

    the
    > > top, right corner of the front of the phone (when looking at it with the
    > > flip closed). It indicates that the phone is on, home or roaming,

    > incoming
    > > call (in addition to ringer),...
    > >
    > > 2) You are correct -- AMPS = analog. Analog still works based upon SIDs

    > in
    > > the PRL, but setting the AMPS system ID to 0 makes it lock onto a

    digital
    > > signal much better (for whatever reason). This is common among Motorola
    > > phones.
    > >
    > > 3) Whether you need an extneded battery depends on individual usage
    > > patterns -- you can try the original battery to see if it suits your

    > needs.
    > > 700 mAh is one of the smaller batteries sold with phones today. I

    bought
    > > the 1200 mAh battery for $27:
    > >
    > > http://www.factorydirectcellular.com/home/motorola/v60.htm
    > >
    > > Also, any of the standard Motorola V60 series (e.g., V60p faceplate sets

    > at
    > > VZW) extended battery covers will fit over this battery. The one

    included
    > > with the battery is plastic, and doesn't fit in the holster. Luckily,

    the
    > > battery is much better quality (I have bought others for other phones

    from
    > > the same vendor.).
    > >
    > > "Todd B" <tbaskett@ptd.net> wrote in message
    > > news:MM6dnQsuosKmC87dUSdV9g@ptd.net...
    > > > I'm going to buy my hard to locate V60s tomorrow and want to clarify

    > these
    > > > tweaks/fixes before I commit to a phone that only has two identifiable
    > > > deficiencies as far as I can tell (limited battery life, especially

    when
    > > > lookin for analog or on the speaker and the stubby antannae not

    getting
    > > > optimal RF reception).
    > > >
    > > > 1) Is the external status ID the same as the caller ID window?
    > > >
    > > > 2) How much less AMPS (I assume you mean analog) hunting. Will Analog

    > > still
    > > > work?
    > > >
    > > > 3) How much are the 1200 mAh batteries and do I really need one if I

    > > recharg
    > > > in the car and at home every night?
    > > >
    > > > Thanks
    > > >
    > > > "tgw" </dev/null@spam.com> wrote in message
    > > > news:TmH4c.36442$aT1.1646@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > > > > There are a couple of configuration "tweaks" to improve battery life

    > on
    > > > the
    > > > > V60s:
    > > > >
    > > > > 1) turn off the external status ID
    > > > > 2) set the AMPS system ID to 0 (lessens analog hunting)
    > > > > 3) use a larger battery (the 700 mAh standard battery is too
    > > > small,
    > > > > especially if you use the speakerphone) -- I use a 1200 mAh

    > third-party
    > > > > battery with the extended battery cover
    > > > >
    > > > > "Theodore Heise" <theo@heise.nu> wrote in message
    > > > > news:200402130840.PNR04543@heise.nu...
    > > > > >
    > > > > > I first tried a V60s, and was *very* disappointed with the battery

    > > life.
    > > > > > After a couple of days I exchanged it for a Samsung a530, and have

    > > been
    > > > > > very pleased. See the "successfully port to vzw, questions about

    > the
    > > > > V60s"
    > > > > > thread for more discussion of my experience.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > --
    > > > > > Theodore Heise <theo@heise.nu> Bloomington, IN, USA
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
     
  9. Todd B

    Todd B Guest

    Great, I understand the way to change the existing ringtones now. Are they
    MIDI files or polymorphic?

    BTW, how do I reset the system ID to 0 to minimize Analog searching? My
    current Sys ID is 8 and my net ID is 0.

    "tgw" </dev/null@spam.com> wrote in message
    news:gr75c.3695$GQ3.1683@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
    > You can turn the feature on/off by ring style. For each ring style (Loud,
    > Soft, ...) where you want the distinctive ringers to work, use the

    following
    > steps:
    >
    > Select Ring Styles.
    > Select _____ Detail.
    > Scroll to Ringer IDs. Change to "On".
    >
    > I am not aware of a way to add ringtones with a cable. You can either

    enter
    > them by hand (under My Tones in the phone menus), or download them from
    > vtext.com.
    >
    > "Todd B" <tbaskett@ptd.net> wrote in message
    > news:0eCcnbZUhO0AasndUSdV9g@ptd.net...
    > > Ok, So i got my V60s today and will apply these tweaks to get a little

    > extra
    > > battery life if a daily charge doesnt get me through the day. Some guy
    > > wanted $70 for the 1200 Mamp battery, but I'll wait till I'm sure I'm

    > going
    > > to keep it before chasing that down for less.
    > >
    > > Couple of questions I'm trying to figure out though and maybe someone

    can
    > > help.
    > >
    > > 1) I've found the ringer styles (loud, soft, vibrate, vib & ring, etc.),

    > but
    > > how do I use or more to the point apply the various musical tones that

    > can
    > > be selected for individual incoming calls from certain people (yes I
    > > stumbled across that feature when setting up my wife & daughter for

    voice
    > > dialing)? They are obviously already in the phone from the vendor, but I
    > > can't seem to select a new musical tune to play when a call comes in
    > > regardles of whether it loud, soft, vib, etc. I'm also curious where to

    go
    > > for the ringer tones once I get a data cable (not through GET IT NIOW).
    > >
    > > Can anyone help??
    > >
    > > Todd B.
    > >
    > > "tgw" </dev/null@spam.com> wrote in message
    > > news:UMP4c.19580$%06.10821@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > > > 1) I meant external status light (not ID). It is the little light at

    > the
    > > > top, right corner of the front of the phone (when looking at it with

    the
    > > > flip closed). It indicates that the phone is on, home or roaming,

    > > incoming
    > > > call (in addition to ringer),...
    > > >
    > > > 2) You are correct -- AMPS = analog. Analog still works based upon

    SIDs
    > > in
    > > > the PRL, but setting the AMPS system ID to 0 makes it lock onto a

    > digital
    > > > signal much better (for whatever reason). This is common among

    Motorola
    > > > phones.
    > > >
    > > > 3) Whether you need an extneded battery depends on individual usage
    > > > patterns -- you can try the original battery to see if it suits your

    > > needs.
    > > > 700 mAh is one of the smaller batteries sold with phones today. I

    > bought
    > > > the 1200 mAh battery for $27:
    > > >
    > > > http://www.factorydirectcellular.com/home/motorola/v60.htm
    > > >
    > > > Also, any of the standard Motorola V60 series (e.g., V60p faceplate

    sets
    > > at
    > > > VZW) extended battery covers will fit over this battery. The one

    > included
    > > > with the battery is plastic, and doesn't fit in the holster. Luckily,

    > the
    > > > battery is much better quality (I have bought others for other phones

    > from
    > > > the same vendor.).
    > > >
    > > > "Todd B" <tbaskett@ptd.net> wrote in message
    > > > news:MM6dnQsuosKmC87dUSdV9g@ptd.net...
    > > > > I'm going to buy my hard to locate V60s tomorrow and want to clarify

    > > these
    > > > > tweaks/fixes before I commit to a phone that only has two

    identifiable
    > > > > deficiencies as far as I can tell (limited battery life, especially

    > when
    > > > > lookin for analog or on the speaker and the stubby antannae not

    > getting
    > > > > optimal RF reception).
    > > > >
    > > > > 1) Is the external status ID the same as the caller ID window?
    > > > >
    > > > > 2) How much less AMPS (I assume you mean analog) hunting. Will

    Analog
    > > > still
    > > > > work?
    > > > >
    > > > > 3) How much are the 1200 mAh batteries and do I really need one if I
    > > > recharg
    > > > > in the car and at home every night?
    > > > >
    > > > > Thanks
    > > > >
    > > > > "tgw" </dev/null@spam.com> wrote in message
    > > > > news:TmH4c.36442$aT1.1646@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > > > > > There are a couple of configuration "tweaks" to improve battery

    life
    > > on
    > > > > the
    > > > > > V60s:
    > > > > >
    > > > > > 1) turn off the external status ID
    > > > > > 2) set the AMPS system ID to 0 (lessens analog hunting)
    > > > > > 3) use a larger battery (the 700 mAh standard battery is

    too
    > > > > small,
    > > > > > especially if you use the speakerphone) -- I use a 1200 mAh

    > > third-party
    > > > > > battery with the extended battery cover
    > > > > >
    > > > > > "Theodore Heise" <theo@heise.nu> wrote in message
    > > > > > news:200402130840.PNR04543@heise.nu...
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > I first tried a V60s, and was *very* disappointed with the

    battery
    > > > life.
    > > > > > > After a couple of days I exchanged it for a Samsung a530, and

    have
    > > > been
    > > > > > > very pleased. See the "successfully port to vzw, questions

    about
    > > the
    > > > > > V60s"
    > > > > > > thread for more discussion of my experience.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > --
    > > > > > > Theodore Heise <theo@heise.nu> Bloomington, IN, USA
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
     
  10. Todd B

    Todd B Guest

    I assume a new larger cover will be needed as well correct?

    "tgw" </dev/null@spam.com> wrote in message
    news:5t75c.3698$GQ3.3606@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
    > BTW, 1200 mAh battery is $27 at factorydirectcellular.com.
    >
    > "Todd B" <tbaskett@ptd.net> wrote in message
    > news:0eCcnbZUhO0AasndUSdV9g@ptd.net...
    > > Ok, So i got my V60s today and will apply these tweaks to get a little

    > extra
    > > battery life if a daily charge doesnt get me through the day. Some guy
    > > wanted $70 for the 1200 Mamp battery, but I'll wait till I'm sure I'm

    > going
    > > to keep it before chasing that down for less.
    > >
    > > Couple of questions I'm trying to figure out though and maybe someone

    can
    > > help.
    > >
    > > 1) I've found the ringer styles (loud, soft, vibrate, vib & ring, etc.),

    > but
    > > how do I use or more to the point apply the various musical tones that

    > can
    > > be selected for individual incoming calls from certain people (yes I
    > > stumbled across that feature when setting up my wife & daughter for

    voice
    > > dialing)? They are obviously already in the phone from the vendor, but I
    > > can't seem to select a new musical tune to play when a call comes in
    > > regardles of whether it loud, soft, vib, etc. I'm also curious where to

    go
    > > for the ringer tones once I get a data cable (not through GET IT NIOW).
    > >
    > > Can anyone help??
    > >
    > > Todd B.
    > >
    > > "tgw" </dev/null@spam.com> wrote in message
    > > news:UMP4c.19580$%06.10821@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > > > 1) I meant external status light (not ID). It is the little light at

    > the
    > > > top, right corner of the front of the phone (when looking at it with

    the
    > > > flip closed). It indicates that the phone is on, home or roaming,

    > > incoming
    > > > call (in addition to ringer),...
    > > >
    > > > 2) You are correct -- AMPS = analog. Analog still works based upon

    SIDs
    > > in
    > > > the PRL, but setting the AMPS system ID to 0 makes it lock onto a

    > digital
    > > > signal much better (for whatever reason). This is common among

    Motorola
    > > > phones.
    > > >
    > > > 3) Whether you need an extneded battery depends on individual usage
    > > > patterns -- you can try the original battery to see if it suits your

    > > needs.
    > > > 700 mAh is one of the smaller batteries sold with phones today. I

    > bought
    > > > the 1200 mAh battery for $27:
    > > >
    > > > http://www.factorydirectcellular.com/home/motorola/v60.htm
    > > >
    > > > Also, any of the standard Motorola V60 series (e.g., V60p faceplate

    sets
    > > at
    > > > VZW) extended battery covers will fit over this battery. The one

    > included
    > > > with the battery is plastic, and doesn't fit in the holster. Luckily,

    > the
    > > > battery is much better quality (I have bought others for other phones

    > from
    > > > the same vendor.).
    > > >
    > > > "Todd B" <tbaskett@ptd.net> wrote in message
    > > > news:MM6dnQsuosKmC87dUSdV9g@ptd.net...
    > > > > I'm going to buy my hard to locate V60s tomorrow and want to clarify

    > > these
    > > > > tweaks/fixes before I commit to a phone that only has two

    identifiable
    > > > > deficiencies as far as I can tell (limited battery life, especially

    > when
    > > > > lookin for analog or on the speaker and the stubby antannae not

    > getting
    > > > > optimal RF reception).
    > > > >
    > > > > 1) Is the external status ID the same as the caller ID window?
    > > > >
    > > > > 2) How much less AMPS (I assume you mean analog) hunting. Will

    Analog
    > > > still
    > > > > work?
    > > > >
    > > > > 3) How much are the 1200 mAh batteries and do I really need one if I
    > > > recharg
    > > > > in the car and at home every night?
    > > > >
    > > > > Thanks
    > > > >
    > > > > "tgw" </dev/null@spam.com> wrote in message
    > > > > news:TmH4c.36442$aT1.1646@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > > > > > There are a couple of configuration "tweaks" to improve battery

    life
    > > on
    > > > > the
    > > > > > V60s:
    > > > > >
    > > > > > 1) turn off the external status ID
    > > > > > 2) set the AMPS system ID to 0 (lessens analog hunting)
    > > > > > 3) use a larger battery (the 700 mAh standard battery is

    too
    > > > > small,
    > > > > > especially if you use the speakerphone) -- I use a 1200 mAh

    > > third-party
    > > > > > battery with the extended battery cover
    > > > > >
    > > > > > "Theodore Heise" <theo@heise.nu> wrote in message
    > > > > > news:200402130840.PNR04543@heise.nu...
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > I first tried a V60s, and was *very* disappointed with the

    battery
    > > > life.
    > > > > > > After a couple of days I exchanged it for a Samsung a530, and

    have
    > > > been
    > > > > > > very pleased. See the "successfully port to vzw, questions

    about
    > > the
    > > > > > V60s"
    > > > > > > thread for more discussion of my experience.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > --
    > > > > > > Theodore Heise <theo@heise.nu> Bloomington, IN, USA
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
     
  11. royc

    royc Guest

    The FCC Equipment Authorization for the ST7868W lists the maximum
    output power as:

    ..55 watt analog 800 MHz

    ..31 watt digital 800 MHz

    ..495 watt digital 1900 MHz

    The FCC document is at:

    https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/...out=500&application_id=96222&fcc_id=IHDT56ZZ1


    The StarTAC's output power is pretty respectable compared to the newer
    phones. That is one reason I'll keep my ST7868W (or one of the several
    spares I have on hand) in service for a long, long time.

    royc


    hoch@exemplary.invalid (CharlesH) wrote in message news:<c2tjsg02fte@enews3.newsguy.com>...
    > In article <20040312170545.02207.00001366@mb-m19.aol.com>,
    > Timote <timote@aol.com> wrote:
    > >first, the startac does not have a higher wattage. you are thinking of the bag
    > >phones, or possibly an analog startac ( startac 3000) with a power booster/car
    > >kit. there is an FCC limit to the wattage on any digital phone. no question on
    > >that one.

    >
    > The ST7868 is rated at 600mW in AMPS, 200mW in CDMA. 600mW is the
    > legal limit in the US for handheld cellular phones. 3W is the limit
    > for non-handhelds.
    >
    > But the newer trimode phones are only rated at 200-300mW AMPS.
    >
    > - Charles
     
  12. tgw

    tgw Guest

    They include a cheap plastic cover, but any of the V60p faceplates will
    work.

    "Todd B" <tbaskett@ptd.net> wrote in message
    news:KI-dnZ526u-IjMjdUSdV9g@ptd.net...
    > I assume a new larger cover will be needed as well correct?
    >
    > "tgw" </dev/null@spam.com> wrote in message
    > news:5t75c.3698$GQ3.3606@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
    > > BTW, 1200 mAh battery is $27 at factorydirectcellular.com.
    > >
    > > "Todd B" <tbaskett@ptd.net> wrote in message
    > > news:0eCcnbZUhO0AasndUSdV9g@ptd.net...
    > > > Ok, So i got my V60s today and will apply these tweaks to get a little

    > > extra
    > > > battery life if a daily charge doesnt get me through the day. Some guy
    > > > wanted $70 for the 1200 Mamp battery, but I'll wait till I'm sure I'm

    > > going
    > > > to keep it before chasing that down for less.
    > > >
    > > > Couple of questions I'm trying to figure out though and maybe someone

    > can
    > > > help.
    > > >
    > > > 1) I've found the ringer styles (loud, soft, vibrate, vib & ring,

    etc.),
    > > but
    > > > how do I use or more to the point apply the various musical tones

    that
    > > can
    > > > be selected for individual incoming calls from certain people (yes I
    > > > stumbled across that feature when setting up my wife & daughter for

    > voice
    > > > dialing)? They are obviously already in the phone from the vendor, but

    I
    > > > can't seem to select a new musical tune to play when a call comes in
    > > > regardles of whether it loud, soft, vib, etc. I'm also curious where

    to
    > go
    > > > for the ringer tones once I get a data cable (not through GET IT

    NIOW).
    > > >
    > > > Can anyone help??
    > > >
    > > > Todd B.
    > > >
    > > > "tgw" </dev/null@spam.com> wrote in message
    > > > news:UMP4c.19580$%06.10821@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > > > > 1) I meant external status light (not ID). It is the little light

    at
    > > the
    > > > > top, right corner of the front of the phone (when looking at it with

    > the
    > > > > flip closed). It indicates that the phone is on, home or roaming,
    > > > incoming
    > > > > call (in addition to ringer),...
    > > > >
    > > > > 2) You are correct -- AMPS = analog. Analog still works based upon

    > SIDs
    > > > in
    > > > > the PRL, but setting the AMPS system ID to 0 makes it lock onto a

    > > digital
    > > > > signal much better (for whatever reason). This is common among

    > Motorola
    > > > > phones.
    > > > >
    > > > > 3) Whether you need an extneded battery depends on individual usage
    > > > > patterns -- you can try the original battery to see if it suits your
    > > > needs.
    > > > > 700 mAh is one of the smaller batteries sold with phones today. I

    > > bought
    > > > > the 1200 mAh battery for $27:
    > > > >
    > > > > http://www.factorydirectcellular.com/home/motorola/v60.htm
    > > > >
    > > > > Also, any of the standard Motorola V60 series (e.g., V60p faceplate

    > sets
    > > > at
    > > > > VZW) extended battery covers will fit over this battery. The one

    > > included
    > > > > with the battery is plastic, and doesn't fit in the holster.

    Luckily,
    > > the
    > > > > battery is much better quality (I have bought others for other

    phones
    > > from
    > > > > the same vendor.).
    > > > >
    > > > > "Todd B" <tbaskett@ptd.net> wrote in message
    > > > > news:MM6dnQsuosKmC87dUSdV9g@ptd.net...
    > > > > > I'm going to buy my hard to locate V60s tomorrow and want to

    clarify
    > > > these
    > > > > > tweaks/fixes before I commit to a phone that only has two

    > identifiable
    > > > > > deficiencies as far as I can tell (limited battery life,

    especially
    > > when
    > > > > > lookin for analog or on the speaker and the stubby antannae not

    > > getting
    > > > > > optimal RF reception).
    > > > > >
    > > > > > 1) Is the external status ID the same as the caller ID window?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > 2) How much less AMPS (I assume you mean analog) hunting. Will

    > Analog
    > > > > still
    > > > > > work?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > 3) How much are the 1200 mAh batteries and do I really need one if

    I
    > > > > recharg
    > > > > > in the car and at home every night?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Thanks
    > > > > >
    > > > > > "tgw" </dev/null@spam.com> wrote in message
    > > > > > news:TmH4c.36442$aT1.1646@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > > > > > > There are a couple of configuration "tweaks" to improve battery

    > life
    > > > on
    > > > > > the
    > > > > > > V60s:
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > 1) turn off the external status ID
    > > > > > > 2) set the AMPS system ID to 0 (lessens analog hunting)
    > > > > > > 3) use a larger battery (the 700 mAh standard battery is

    > too
    > > > > > small,
    > > > > > > especially if you use the speakerphone) -- I use a 1200 mAh
    > > > third-party
    > > > > > > battery with the extended battery cover
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > "Theodore Heise" <theo@heise.nu> wrote in message
    > > > > > > news:200402130840.PNR04543@heise.nu...
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > I first tried a V60s, and was *very* disappointed with the

    > battery
    > > > > life.
    > > > > > > > After a couple of days I exchanged it for a Samsung a530, and

    > have
    > > > > been
    > > > > > > > very pleased. See the "successfully port to vzw, questions

    > about
    > > > the
    > > > > > > V60s"
    > > > > > > > thread for more discussion of my experience.
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > --
    > > > > > > > Theodore Heise <theo@heise.nu> Bloomington, IN, USA
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
     
  13. tgw

    tgw Guest

    Polyphonic.

    You don't reset the system ID to 0 -- you change the AMPS system ID for your
    home system to 0. Your current system ID should remain as 8 for the
    Philadelphia area.

    "Todd B" <tbaskett@ptd.net> wrote in message
    news:HY-dnQhyH6UCjcjdUSdV9g@ptd.net...
    > Great, I understand the way to change the existing ringtones now. Are they
    > MIDI files or polymorphic?
    >
    > BTW, how do I reset the system ID to 0 to minimize Analog searching? My
    > current Sys ID is 8 and my net ID is 0.
    >
    > "tgw" </dev/null@spam.com> wrote in message
    > news:gr75c.3695$GQ3.1683@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
    > > You can turn the feature on/off by ring style. For each ring style

    (Loud,
    > > Soft, ...) where you want the distinctive ringers to work, use the

    > following
    > > steps:
    > >
    > > Select Ring Styles.
    > > Select _____ Detail.
    > > Scroll to Ringer IDs. Change to "On".
    > >
    > > I am not aware of a way to add ringtones with a cable. You can either

    > enter
    > > them by hand (under My Tones in the phone menus), or download them from
    > > vtext.com.
    > >
    > > "Todd B" <tbaskett@ptd.net> wrote in message
    > > news:0eCcnbZUhO0AasndUSdV9g@ptd.net...
    > > > Ok, So i got my V60s today and will apply these tweaks to get a little

    > > extra
    > > > battery life if a daily charge doesnt get me through the day. Some guy
    > > > wanted $70 for the 1200 Mamp battery, but I'll wait till I'm sure I'm

    > > going
    > > > to keep it before chasing that down for less.
    > > >
    > > > Couple of questions I'm trying to figure out though and maybe someone

    > can
    > > > help.
    > > >
    > > > 1) I've found the ringer styles (loud, soft, vibrate, vib & ring,

    etc.),
    > > but
    > > > how do I use or more to the point apply the various musical tones

    that
    > > can
    > > > be selected for individual incoming calls from certain people (yes I
    > > > stumbled across that feature when setting up my wife & daughter for

    > voice
    > > > dialing)? They are obviously already in the phone from the vendor, but

    I
    > > > can't seem to select a new musical tune to play when a call comes in
    > > > regardles of whether it loud, soft, vib, etc. I'm also curious where

    to
    > go
    > > > for the ringer tones once I get a data cable (not through GET IT

    NIOW).
    > > >
    > > > Can anyone help??
    > > >
    > > > Todd B.
    > > >
    > > > "tgw" </dev/null@spam.com> wrote in message
    > > > news:UMP4c.19580$%06.10821@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > > > > 1) I meant external status light (not ID). It is the little light

    at
    > > the
    > > > > top, right corner of the front of the phone (when looking at it with

    > the
    > > > > flip closed). It indicates that the phone is on, home or roaming,
    > > > incoming
    > > > > call (in addition to ringer),...
    > > > >
    > > > > 2) You are correct -- AMPS = analog. Analog still works based upon

    > SIDs
    > > > in
    > > > > the PRL, but setting the AMPS system ID to 0 makes it lock onto a

    > > digital
    > > > > signal much better (for whatever reason). This is common among

    > Motorola
    > > > > phones.
    > > > >
    > > > > 3) Whether you need an extneded battery depends on individual usage
    > > > > patterns -- you can try the original battery to see if it suits your
    > > > needs.
    > > > > 700 mAh is one of the smaller batteries sold with phones today. I

    > > bought
    > > > > the 1200 mAh battery for $27:
    > > > >
    > > > > http://www.factorydirectcellular.com/home/motorola/v60.htm
    > > > >
    > > > > Also, any of the standard Motorola V60 series (e.g., V60p faceplate

    > sets
    > > > at
    > > > > VZW) extended battery covers will fit over this battery. The one

    > > included
    > > > > with the battery is plastic, and doesn't fit in the holster.

    Luckily,
    > > the
    > > > > battery is much better quality (I have bought others for other

    phones
    > > from
    > > > > the same vendor.).
    > > > >
    > > > > "Todd B" <tbaskett@ptd.net> wrote in message
    > > > > news:MM6dnQsuosKmC87dUSdV9g@ptd.net...
    > > > > > I'm going to buy my hard to locate V60s tomorrow and want to

    clarify
    > > > these
    > > > > > tweaks/fixes before I commit to a phone that only has two

    > identifiable
    > > > > > deficiencies as far as I can tell (limited battery life,

    especially
    > > when
    > > > > > lookin for analog or on the speaker and the stubby antannae not

    > > getting
    > > > > > optimal RF reception).
    > > > > >
    > > > > > 1) Is the external status ID the same as the caller ID window?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > 2) How much less AMPS (I assume you mean analog) hunting. Will

    > Analog
    > > > > still
    > > > > > work?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > 3) How much are the 1200 mAh batteries and do I really need one if

    I
    > > > > recharg
    > > > > > in the car and at home every night?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Thanks
    > > > > >
    > > > > > "tgw" </dev/null@spam.com> wrote in message
    > > > > > news:TmH4c.36442$aT1.1646@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > > > > > > There are a couple of configuration "tweaks" to improve battery

    > life
    > > > on
    > > > > > the
    > > > > > > V60s:
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > 1) turn off the external status ID
    > > > > > > 2) set the AMPS system ID to 0 (lessens analog hunting)
    > > > > > > 3) use a larger battery (the 700 mAh standard battery is

    > too
    > > > > > small,
    > > > > > > especially if you use the speakerphone) -- I use a 1200 mAh
    > > > third-party
    > > > > > > battery with the extended battery cover
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > "Theodore Heise" <theo@heise.nu> wrote in message
    > > > > > > news:200402130840.PNR04543@heise.nu...
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > I first tried a V60s, and was *very* disappointed with the

    > battery
    > > > > life.
    > > > > > > > After a couple of days I exchanged it for a Samsung a530, and

    > have
    > > > > been
    > > > > > > > very pleased. See the "successfully port to vzw, questions

    > about
    > > > the
    > > > > > > V60s"
    > > > > > > > thread for more discussion of my experience.
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > --
    > > > > > > > Theodore Heise <theo@heise.nu> Bloomington, IN, USA
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
     
  14. CharlesH

    CharlesH Guest

    In article <du-cnfVzk8abhs7dUSdV9g@ptd.net>, Todd B <tbaskett@ptd.net> wrote:
    >Ok, so maybe I'm either stupid or gullible. I understood that the Startac is
    >too old to be able to receive the software updates (*228) and track if its
    >on the Verizon network, a partner network, or roaming. Am I being horn
    >swaggled by the sales rep or do I really need to upgrade to a newer phone in
    >order to get "IN Network"?


    The StarTac can absolutely do *228 to get new PRLs. Just did it a few
    days ago on two of them. But:

    1) It does not have the Extended Roaming Indicator (ERI), which is the
    words Verizon/Extended/Roaming. It only has the roaming icon, which
    conveys the same information, if not as in your face about it.

    2) It is not GPS capable. VZW is under pressure to have a certain % of
    phones to be GPS capable, and thus the pressure to dissuade people from
    using non-GPS-capable phones. (Of course, practically none of their cell
    sites has the corresponding equipment, making the GPS functionality in
    the phones useless, but regulations are regulations...)

    3) It does not support CDMA version 1xRTT, which means that it is uses
    somewhat more bandwidth than 1xRTT phones.

    4) It is not GetItNow or ringtone capable, which means that they cannot
    sell you expensive applications, ringtones, etc.

    The only thing it does is reliably complete calls, so they just have to
    kill it off :-(
     
  15. David L

    David L Guest

    hoch@exemplary.invalid (CharlesH) wrote in message news:<c33lmk12etq@enews3.newsguy.com>...
    > In article <du-cnfVzk8abhs7dUSdV9g@ptd.net>, Todd B <tbaskett@ptd.net> wrote:
    > >Ok, so maybe I'm either stupid or gullible. I understood that the Startac is
    > >too old to be able to receive the software updates (*228) and track if its
    > >on the Verizon network, a partner network, or roaming. Am I being horn
    > >swaggled by the sales rep or do I really need to upgrade to a newer phone in
    > >order to get "IN Network"?

    >
    > The StarTac can absolutely do *228 to get new PRLs. Just did it a few
    > days ago on two of them. But:
    >
    >
    > The only thing it does is reliably complete calls, so they just have to
    > kill it off :-(


    I just took both of my 7868's out to a canyon with fringe analog
    coverage. Niether could make a call from the canyon floor in analog
    mode, but my Audiovox 9500 could. I've compared the startacs reception
    many times with modern phones.
    Most of the modern phones including V60i, Audiovox 9500 and the best,
    the Nokia 3585/3589i get much better digital reception than the
    Motorola 7868. I'e tested this many times.

    The 7868 can't be bet for ergonomics, a broad, easy to find earcup
    sweetspot and a _superior_, voice quality, but... anyone who thinks
    it has the best reception, just hasn't compared it in the field, with
    the best modern phones. The startacs just don't hold up in direct
    comparisons.

    There's more to reception, than just power ratings.
    Antenna/receiver/transmiter design and handset/network integration
    count too.

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    David
     

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