1. Welcome to Verizon Forums - the unofficial Verizon community! Have a question about Verizon? Click HERE to get started.
    Dismiss Notice
  2. Expecting Cell Phone Forums? We recently moved Verizon specific content to VerizonForums.com. If you previously had an account on CPF, it has been transferred!
    Dismiss Notice

M2M: Peak vs. Off-Peak

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Jim, Jan 13, 2004.

  1. Jim

    Jim Guest

    Just upgraded my $35/300 account to the $40/400. Now I have the 1000 M2M
    minutes showing up on my usage summaries.

    Some of it is listed as "Mobile to Mobile Peak" and some as "Mobile to
    Mobile Off-Peak."

    Is only the M2M Peak deducted from the 1000 allotment, or are M2M Peak AND
    Off-Peak deducted?

    --
    Random fortune:
    "Spock, did you see the looks on their faces?" "Yes, Captain, a sort
    of vacant contentment."
     



    › See More: M2M: Peak vs. Off-Peak
  2. Jim <jamesb-usenet@alongtheway.com> wrote:
    > Just upgraded my $35/300 account to the $40/400. Now I have the 1000 M2M
    > minutes showing up on my usage summaries.
    >
    > Some of it is listed as "Mobile to Mobile Peak" and some as "Mobile to
    > Mobile Off-Peak."
    >
    > Is only the M2M Peak deducted from the 1000 allotment, or are M2M Peak AND
    > Off-Peak deducted?


    If they've finally standardized it, M2M calls only deduct M2M minutes during
    off-peak hours if you don't have free off-peak (in other words, free nights
    and weekends).

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services
    22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
    Steve Sobol, Geek In Charge * 888.480.4NET (4638) * sjsobol@JustThe.net
     
  3. Justin

    Justin Guest

    Steven J Sobol wrote on [Tue, 13 Jan 2004 01:00:21 -0600]:
    > Jim <jamesb-usenet@alongtheway.com> wrote:
    >> Just upgraded my $35/300 account to the $40/400. Now I have the 1000 M2M
    >> minutes showing up on my usage summaries.
    >>
    >> Some of it is listed as "Mobile to Mobile Peak" and some as "Mobile to
    >> Mobile Off-Peak."
    >>
    >> Is only the M2M Peak deducted from the 1000 allotment, or are M2M Peak AND
    >> Off-Peak deducted?

    >
    > If they've finally standardized it, M2M calls only deduct M2M minutes during
    > off-peak hours if you don't have free off-peak (in other words, free nights
    > and weekends).


    Aaah, the joys of the English language. I hope you mean that they only
    deduct M2M minutes during the off peak hours if you don't have free off
    peak and that they do deduct M2M minutes during peak hours.
     
  4. Justin <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote:
    >> If they've finally standardized it, M2M calls only deduct M2M minutes during
    >> off-peak hours if you don't have free off-peak (in other words, free nights
    >> and weekends).

    >
    > Aaah, the joys of the English language. I hope you mean that they only
    > deduct M2M minutes during the off peak hours if you don't have free off
    > peak and that they do deduct M2M minutes during peak hours.



    OK. If it's finally standardized:

    **If you make an M2M call during off-peak, and you get free off-peak, the
    minutes are counted against off-peak and not M2M. Example: 1000 M2M, 3000
    N&W and you make an M2M call Thursday at 10:30 local time. If the call lasts
    25 minutes you now have 2975 night and weekend mintues left.

    If you have unlimited N&W, of course, you would never have the mobile-to-mobile
    calls count as M2M if they were made during N&W hours.

    **If you don't have free off-peak calling, or you don't have unlimited and
    you've run out of off-peak minutes for the month, the airtime *is* charged
    against your M2M allotment.

    Better?

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services
    22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
    Steve Sobol, Geek In Charge * 888.480.4NET (4638) * sjsobol@JustThe.net
     
  5. Justin

    Justin Guest

    Steven J Sobol wrote on [Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:11:00 -0600]:
    > Justin <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote:
    >>> If they've finally standardized it, M2M calls only deduct M2M minutes during
    >>> off-peak hours if you don't have free off-peak (in other words, free nights
    >>> and weekends).

    >>
    >> Aaah, the joys of the English language. I hope you mean that they only
    >> deduct M2M minutes during the off peak hours if you don't have free off
    >> peak and that they do deduct M2M minutes during peak hours.

    >
    >
    > OK. If it's finally standardized:
    >
    > **If you make an M2M call during off-peak, and you get free off-peak, the
    > minutes are counted against off-peak and not M2M. Example: 1000 M2M, 3000
    > N&W and you make an M2M call Thursday at 10:30 local time. If the call lasts
    > 25 minutes you now have 2975 night and weekend mintues left.
    >
    > If you have unlimited N&W, of course, you would never have the mobile-to-mobile
    > calls count as M2M if they were made during N&W hours.
    >
    > **If you don't have free off-peak calling, or you don't have unlimited and
    > you've run out of off-peak minutes for the month, the airtime *is* charged
    > against your M2M allotment.
    >
    > Better?


    Didn't mean to sound nitpicky, but I originally read it to mean only
    charge off peak as M2M.
     
  6. Re: Peak vs. Off-Peak

    Mobile to Mobile comes from your M2M allotment! No matter the time of day.
    Once your M2M allotment is depleted, and you call during FN&W, no charge for
    M2M. In all cases, M2M comes from your allotment FIRST and then other
    promotions...

    Matt

    "Jim" <jamesb-usenet@alongtheway.com> wrote in message
    news:10074sgr03kr978@corp.supernews.com...
    > Just upgraded my $35/300 account to the $40/400. Now I have the 1000 M2M
    > minutes showing up on my usage summaries.
    >
    > Some of it is listed as "Mobile to Mobile Peak" and some as "Mobile to
    > Mobile Off-Peak."
    >
    > Is only the M2M Peak deducted from the 1000 allotment, or are M2M Peak AND
    > Off-Peak deducted?
    >
    > --
    > Random fortune:
    > "Spock, did you see the looks on their faces?" "Yes, Captain, a sort
    > of vacant contentment."
     
  7. George

    George Guest

    Re: Peak vs. Off-Peak

    On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:30:55 GMT, "Matt J. Britt"
    <NoSpam@NoSpam.NoSpam> wrote:

    >Mobile to Mobile comes from your M2M allotment! No matter the time of day.
    >Once your M2M allotment is depleted, and you call during FN&W, no charge for
    >M2M. In all cases, M2M comes from your allotment FIRST and then other
    >promotions...
    >
    >Matt
    >

    This may be true where you are and for your plan, but I do not believe
    it is incorrect in all markets for all plans. My M2M minutes are not
    used during nights and weekends, when I have Unlimited N/W minutes. I
    have the AC800 plan.
     
  8. Re: Peak vs. Off-Peak

    Matt J. Britt <NoSpam@nospam.nospam> wrote:
    > Mobile to Mobile comes from your M2M allotment! No matter the time of day.
    > Once your M2M allotment is depleted, and you call during FN&W, no charge for
    > M2M. In all cases, M2M comes from your allotment FIRST and then other
    > promotions...


    But it wasn't always that way. In some markets, M2M calls came out of the
    M2M bucket even if you were calling during off-peak hours and you had free
    off-peak calling, which is why I said "if they've finally standardized
    everything".

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services
    22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
    Steve Sobol, Geek In Charge * 888.480.4NET (4638) * sjsobol@JustThe.net
     
  9. Re: Peak vs. Off-Peak

    "Jim" <jamesb-usenet@alongtheway.com> wrote in message
    news:10074sgr03kr978@corp.supernews.com...
    > Just upgraded my $35/300 account to the $40/400. Now I have the 1000 M2M
    > minutes showing up on my usage summaries.
    >
    > Some of it is listed as "Mobile to Mobile Peak" and some as "Mobile to
    > Mobile Off-Peak."
    >
    > Is only the M2M Peak deducted from the 1000 allotment, or are M2M Peak AND
    > Off-Peak deducted?


    I asked a VZW customer service rep that same question recently. Got the
    answer that both m2m peak and m2m offpeak are deducted from the 1000 m2m
    minutes. I then asked WHY are they distinguishing between peak and offpeak
    m2m and they responded something along the lines of that's what the
    customers want! I think it's rather stupid though to have separate peak and
    offpeak m2m, but perhaps they have some plans that do distinguish between
    the two?



    God Bless America!

    Bob the Printer


    Our web pages are located at:
    http://mywebpages.comcast.net/bdolson/
     
  10. "Steven J Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
    news:h7OdncTxCOpJzZnd4p2dnA@lmi.net...

    > **If you don't have free off-peak calling, or you don't have unlimited and
    > you've run out of off-peak minutes for the month, the airtime *is* charged
    > against your M2M allotment.


    According to the VZW rep, ALL m2m calls get charged against my 1000 monthly
    m2m minutes, whether they're peak or offpeak... Which is precisely why I
    wonder why they distinguish between the two when I 'check minutes'.. By the
    way, the text message always says 'Bal:.....Not Available (B15)'. Whether I
    use #646 or #225. They can't explain THAT one either! I did get the balance
    ok sometime once during the past year, but that was the only time.

    By the way, I'm on the 400 peak, unlimited offpeak, and 1000 m2m plan..




    God Bless America!

    Bob the Printer


    Our web pages are located at:
    http://mywebpages.comcast.net/bdolson/
     
  11. Teddeli

    Teddeli Guest

    On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:11:00 -0600, Steven J Sobol
    <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:

    >Justin <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote:
    >>> If they've finally standardized it, M2M calls only deduct M2M minutes during
    >>> off-peak hours if you don't have free off-peak (in other words, free nights
    >>> and weekends).

    >>
    >> Aaah, the joys of the English language. I hope you mean that they only
    >> deduct M2M minutes during the off peak hours if you don't have free off
    >> peak and that they do deduct M2M minutes during peak hours.

    >
    >
    >OK. If it's finally standardized:
    >
    >**If you make an M2M call during off-peak, and you get free off-peak, the
    >minutes are counted against off-peak and not M2M. Example: 1000 M2M, 3000
    >N&W and you make an M2M call Thursday at 10:30 local time. If the call lasts
    >25 minutes you now have 2975 night and weekend mintues left.
    >
    >If you have unlimited N&W, of course, you would never have the mobile-to-mobile
    >calls count as M2M if they were made during N&W hours.
    >
    >**If you don't have free off-peak calling, or you don't have unlimited and
    >you've run out of off-peak minutes for the month, the airtime *is* charged
    >against your M2M allotment.
    >
    >Better?

    Correct me if I'm wrong but the way I understand it is if you have
    free but unlimited N/W then the mtm is deducted from off peak first
    and then mtm. If you have free but limited off peak (let's say 4000
    off peak) then minutes are deducted from mtm whether peak or off
    peak.

    At least that's the way it is/was here in the NYC market.
     
  12. Re: Peak vs. Off-Peak

    A direct quote from the Verizon Wireless web site for an Americas Choice
    calling plan in the Portland metro area:

    How Minutes Are Depleted: If your calling Plan includes unlimited and
    limited allowance minutes, the unlimited allowance minutes will deplete
    first. If your Calling Plan includes limited mobile to mobile and limited
    night and weekend options, airtime minutes will deplete in the following
    order for a mobile to mobile call during night and weekend hours: 1) mobile
    to mobile, 2) night and weekend and 3) anytime allowance.

    http://www.verizonwireless.com/ics/...70446&p_plan_category_id=26948&p_section=SHOP

    -Eric
     
  13. plane

    plane Guest

    "Bob the Printer" <bdolson@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<Z5udnUF8E7XS4pnd4p2dnA@comcast.com>...
    > "Steven J Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
    > news:h7OdncTxCOpJzZnd4p2dnA@lmi.net...
    >
    > > **If you don't have free off-peak calling, or you don't have unlimited and
    > > you've run out of off-peak minutes for the month, the airtime *is* charged
    > > against your M2M allotment.

    >
    > According to the VZW rep, ALL m2m calls get charged against my 1000 monthly
    > m2m minutes, whether they're peak or offpeak... Which is precisely why I
    > wonder why they distinguish between the two when I 'check minutes'.. By the
    > way, the text message always says 'Bal:.....Not Available (B15)'. Whether I
    > use #646 or #225. They can't explain THAT one either! I did get the balance
    > ok sometime once during the past year, but that was the only time.
    >
    > By the way, I'm on the 400 peak, unlimited offpeak, and 1000 m2m plan..
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > God Bless America!
    >
    > Bob the Printer
    >
    >
    > Our web pages are located at:
    > http://mywebpages.comcast.net/bdolson/



    i believe that the *current* brochures explain the order in which the
    minutes are used, like the last guy indicated the older plans and the
    ones w/o unlimited off peak typically charge all m2m minutes against
    your allowance. I had a plan in 2002, even with unlimited n&w, and
    they were all charged(I believe) but when I made a slight plan
    change, (it's not under contract,now) apparently only the peak m2m are
    deducted, but since I have never used anywhere near the allowance,
    it's really hard to tell, from the current convoluted billing codes
    (which seemed to arrive with the plan change);

    Has anyone else noticed that 2 calls can be made from the same verizon
    phone to another verizon phone, one call after the other, and the M2M
    billing may occassionally have different coding, which would mean one
    of them must be coded wrong; since it's not involved *charges* - YET
    - I have not taken the time to ask c/s what the deal is
     
  14. Bob the Printer <bdolson@comcast.net> wrote:
    >
    > "Steven J Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
    > news:h7OdncTxCOpJzZnd4p2dnA@lmi.net...
    >
    >> **If you don't have free off-peak calling, or you don't have unlimited and
    >> you've run out of off-peak minutes for the month, the airtime *is* charged
    >> against your M2M allotment.

    >
    > According to the VZW rep, ALL m2m calls get charged against my 1000 monthly
    > m2m minutes, whether they're peak or offpeak...


    Then obviously they still haven't standardized all of their markets (which
    sucks) -- there are some markets where mintues come out of off-peak first.

    Where are you located?

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services
    22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
    Steve Sobol, Geek In Charge * 888.480.4NET (4638) * sjsobol@JustThe.net
     
  15. Teddeli <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
    > Correct me if I'm wrong but the way I understand it is if you have
    > free but unlimited N/W then the mtm is deducted from off peak first
    > and then mtm. If you have free but limited off peak (let's say 4000
    > off peak) then minutes are deducted from mtm whether peak or off
    > peak.
    >
    > At least that's the way it is/was here in the NYC market.


    I do believe you're right and I apologize for my misstatement.

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services
    22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
    Steve Sobol, Geek In Charge * 888.480.4NET (4638) * sjsobol@JustThe.net
     
  16. Alan M.

    Alan M. Guest

    I'm on that plan as well - 400 with unlimited n/w plus 100 mtm. And it does
    distinguish between peak and off peak mtm when you check minutes as it does
    with you, but in the end only the peak mtm count. For me it works as just a
    way to tell that some off peak calls were made to a cell phone, but they
    don't count against the 1000 mtm. Therefore the only mtm number that
    matters when checking minutes is the peak one. I'm in MA.

    "Bob the Printer" <bdolson@comcast.net> wrote in message
    news:Z5udnUF8E7XS4pnd4p2dnA@comcast.com...
    >
    >
    > According to the VZW rep, ALL m2m calls get charged against my 1000

    monthly
    > m2m minutes, whether they're peak or offpeak... Which is precisely why I
    > wonder why they distinguish between the two when I 'check minutes'.. By

    the
    > way, the text message always says 'Bal:.....Not Available (B15)'. Whether

    I
    > use #646 or #225. They can't explain THAT one either! I did get the

    balance
    > ok sometime once during the past year, but that was the only time.
    >
    > By the way, I'm on the 400 peak, unlimited offpeak, and 1000 m2m plan..
    >
     
  17. Does anybody have a list of all the # and * numbers and what their function
    is? If so, could you post it here? Thanks
    "Alan M." <letsgohokies@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:KkbNb.713$iD6.363944@news1.news.adelphia.net...
    > I'm on that plan as well - 400 with unlimited n/w plus 100 mtm. And it

    does
    > distinguish between peak and off peak mtm when you check minutes as it

    does
    > with you, but in the end only the peak mtm count. For me it works as just

    a
    > way to tell that some off peak calls were made to a cell phone, but they
    > don't count against the 1000 mtm. Therefore the only mtm number that
    > matters when checking minutes is the peak one. I'm in MA.
    >
    > "Bob the Printer" <bdolson@comcast.net> wrote in message
    > news:Z5udnUF8E7XS4pnd4p2dnA@comcast.com...
    > >
    > >
    > > According to the VZW rep, ALL m2m calls get charged against my 1000

    > monthly
    > > m2m minutes, whether they're peak or offpeak... Which is precisely why I
    > > wonder why they distinguish between the two when I 'check minutes'.. By

    > the
    > > way, the text message always says 'Bal:.....Not Available (B15)'.

    Whether
    > I
    > > use #646 or #225. They can't explain THAT one either! I did get the

    > balance
    > > ok sometime once during the past year, but that was the only time.
    > >
    > > By the way, I'm on the 400 peak, unlimited offpeak, and 1000 m2m plan..
    > >

    >
    >
     
  18. I've got one for you...

    If a VZW customer ports to ATT/VoiceStream/NexTel/ Etc. will the billing
    computers consider the MTN VZW and therefore M2M, or will it see that this
    number now belongs to another carrier?


    Matt

    Just my 2.5 cents.


    "Alan M." <letsgohokies@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:KkbNb.713$iD6.363944@news1.news.adelphia.net...
    > I'm on that plan as well - 400 with unlimited n/w plus 100 mtm. And it

    does
    > distinguish between peak and off peak mtm when you check minutes as it

    does
    > with you, but in the end only the peak mtm count. For me it works as just

    a
    > way to tell that some off peak calls were made to a cell phone, but they
    > don't count against the 1000 mtm. Therefore the only mtm number that
    > matters when checking minutes is the peak one. I'm in MA.
    >
    > "Bob the Printer" <bdolson@comcast.net> wrote in message
    > news:Z5udnUF8E7XS4pnd4p2dnA@comcast.com...
    > >
    > >
    > > According to the VZW rep, ALL m2m calls get charged against my 1000

    > monthly
    > > m2m minutes, whether they're peak or offpeak... Which is precisely why I
    > > wonder why they distinguish between the two when I 'check minutes'.. By

    > the
    > > way, the text message always says 'Bal:.....Not Available (B15)'.

    Whether
    > I
    > > use #646 or #225. They can't explain THAT one either! I did get the

    > balance
    > > ok sometime once during the past year, but that was the only time.
    > >
    > > By the way, I'm on the 400 peak, unlimited offpeak, and 1000 m2m plan..
    > >

    >
    >
     
  19. CharlesH

    CharlesH Guest

    In article <sXhNb.10437$4P6.6669@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>,
    Matt J. Britt <NoSpam@NoSpam.NoSpam> wrote:
    >I've got one for you...
    >
    >If a VZW customer ports to ATT/VoiceStream/NexTel/ Etc. will the billing
    >computers consider the MTN VZW and therefore M2M, or will it see that this
    >number now belongs to another carrier?


    Given that the VZW network knows how it routed the call as per the number
    portability protocol, I would think that MTM would apply if the number
    currently belongs to VZW, regardles of whether the prefix nominally
    belongs to VZW. The way number portability works is that the calling
    switch determines if the called prefix supports porting, and if it does,
    it does a database lookup to see who currently owns that number, and
    routes the call to them. Specifically, it does NOT just send the call to
    the old provider and let them forward it. Besides, the switch could just
    look in the VZW phone number database to see if it is one of its own.
    without even using the number portability stuff.

    This kind of thing is one of the costs of number portability that wireless
    providers had to incur that landline providers didn't.

    Just speculation on my part; I do not have direct knowledge of how they
    handle this.
     
  20. Ok, easier then I thought... Thank you.

    Matt

    "CharlesH" <hoch@exemplary.invalid> wrote in message
    news:bu4eld01sr1@enews2.newsguy.com...
    > In article <sXhNb.10437$4P6.6669@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>,
    > Matt J. Britt <NoSpam@NoSpam.NoSpam> wrote:
    > >I've got one for you...
    > >
    > >If a VZW customer ports to ATT/VoiceStream/NexTel/ Etc. will the billing
    > >computers consider the MTN VZW and therefore M2M, or will it see that

    this
    > >number now belongs to another carrier?

    >
    > Given that the VZW network knows how it routed the call as per the number
    > portability protocol, I would think that MTM would apply if the number
    > currently belongs to VZW, regardles of whether the prefix nominally
    > belongs to VZW. The way number portability works is that the calling
    > switch determines if the called prefix supports porting, and if it does,
    > it does a database lookup to see who currently owns that number, and
    > routes the call to them. Specifically, it does NOT just send the call to
    > the old provider and let them forward it. Besides, the switch could just
    > look in the VZW phone number database to see if it is one of its own.
    > without even using the number portability stuff.
    >
    > This kind of thing is one of the costs of number portability that wireless
    > providers had to incur that landline providers didn't.
    >
    > Just speculation on my part; I do not have direct knowledge of how they
    > handle this.
     

Welcome to VerizonForums!

Unfortunately you can't reply until you log in or sign up.


Forgot your password?