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Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by The Insider, Jan 28, 2004.

  1. The Insider

    The Insider Guest

    Saw this on a printer today, it appeared to be a public document, and
    surprised no one has talked about it.

    Mobile to Mobile, as we now know it, is planned to be transitioned or is
    going away. (Don't panic)
    It will be called In-Network and for most new customers will be Unlimited
    (like you can use the 1000 we give you now)
    Family Share Plans will get "free" (like we aren't charging for it)
    unlimited Family Sharing (to each other)
    If the Share Plans want Unlimited "In-Network" it is an extra $10 fee on the
    main account, independent of how many shares on the account.

    For the bulk of people who do not use 1000 mtm, this is a useless promotion.
    For others, it is great.
    For those people with a family share plan, who do not use the 1000 mtm
    anyway, but don't really need/want to be only able to call each other it is
    a price increase of $10.

    Marketing at it's best, comes from creative minds, finding ways to charge
    more and make you like it. For those that use more than 1000 mtm now
    in-network minutes this is fantastic. Records indicate that aprox 2% of our
    customer base actually use more than 1000 mtm to minutes. So for them, this
    is outstanding.

    That is the Inside Scoop; expect to see this early February if it actually
    rolls out. Rumors are just that: Rumors. Subject to change

    "The Insider" <InsideScoop@verizonwireless.com> wrote in message news:...
    > The Insider
    >
    >
     



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  2. "The Insider" <InsideScoop@verizonwireless.com> wrote in message
    news:kAPRb.5403$BA2.3612@newssvr26.news.prodigy.com...

    <snip>

    > Marketing at it's best, comes from creative minds, finding ways to charge
    > more and make you like it.


    This is typically how Verizon raises prices. Take away a popular feature,
    then start charging for it. Later they will raise the price of the basic
    service and include this feature.

    They did the same thing with N&W. My plan is $35/month unlimited N&W, 1000
    MTM. Later thet dropped the N&W and MTM and it was a $5 option. Then they
    raised the price by $5 and included it again.

    I looked into new every two, but the terms say that I have to sign up on a
    current rate plan. No way. I lose my 8:00pm off-peak, and pay more.
     
  3. Scott Nelson

    Scott Nelson Guest

    That makes sense since "mobile to mobile" is getting confusing as to when
    you can actually use it.
    By changing the wording to "In-Network", they trying to make it more clear
    that they will only bill as MtoM if traffic stays on a Verizon owned
    network. They are coming more inline with Nextel's nationwide calling for
    free idea or SprintPCS, T-Mobile, etc., for that matter.

    Scotty


    "The Insider" <InsideScoop@verizonwireless.com> wrote in message
    news:kAPRb.5403$BA2.3612@newssvr26.news.prodigy.com...
    > Saw this on a printer today, it appeared to be a public document, and
    > surprised no one has talked about it.
    >
    > Mobile to Mobile, as we now know it, is planned to be transitioned or is
    > going away. (Don't panic)
    > It will be called In-Network and for most new customers will be Unlimited
    > (like you can use the 1000 we give you now)
    > Family Share Plans will get "free" (like we aren't charging for it)
    > unlimited Family Sharing (to each other)
    > If the Share Plans want Unlimited "In-Network" it is an extra $10 fee on

    the
    > main account, independent of how many shares on the account.
    >
    > For the bulk of people who do not use 1000 mtm, this is a useless

    promotion.
    > For others, it is great.
    > For those people with a family share plan, who do not use the 1000 mtm
    > anyway, but don't really need/want to be only able to call each other it

    is
    > a price increase of $10.
    >
    > Marketing at it's best, comes from creative minds, finding ways to charge
    > more and make you like it. For those that use more than 1000 mtm now
    > in-network minutes this is fantastic. Records indicate that aprox 2% of

    our
    > customer base actually use more than 1000 mtm to minutes. So for them,

    this
    > is outstanding.
    >
    > That is the Inside Scoop; expect to see this early February if it actually
    > rolls out. Rumors are just that: Rumors. Subject to change
    >
    > "The Insider" <InsideScoop@verizonwireless.com> wrote in message news:...
    > > The Insider
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
     
  4. The Insider <InsideScoop@verizonwireless.com> wrote:
    > Saw this on a printer today, it appeared to be a public document, and
    > surprised no one has talked about it.
    >
    > Mobile to Mobile, as we now know it, is planned to be transitioned or is
    > going away. (Don't panic)
    > It will be called In-Network and for most new customers will be Unlimited
    > (like you can use the 1000 we give you now)
    > Family Share Plans will get "free" (like we aren't charging for it)
    > unlimited Family Sharing (to each other)
    > If the Share Plans want Unlimited "In-Network" it is an extra $10 fee on the
    > main account, independent of how many shares on the account.
    >
    > For the bulk of people who do not use 1000 mtm, this is a useless promotion.
    > For others, it is great.


    Good idea - very good idea. Sprint charges $5/month for unlimited Sprint to
    Sprint calling, and my wife uses it extensively. On our $30/month plan we can
    either go way over our minutes and end up with monthly bills of $150-200, or
    use the $5 and get the 400-500 PCS to PCS minutes she uses each month at no
    additional charge.

    It'll definitely be worth it for those people who use lots of MTM. I see a lot
    of businesses signing up for it.

    > For those people with a family share plan, who do not use the 1000 mtm
    > anyway, but don't really need/want to be only able to call each other it is
    > a price increase of $10.


    Uh, no, you yourself said that the intra-account M2M is still going to be
    free.

    > Marketing at it's best, comes from creative minds, finding ways to charge
    > more and make you like it. For those that use more than 1000 mtm now
    > in-network minutes this is fantastic. Records indicate that aprox 2% of our
    > customer base actually use more than 1000 mtm to minutes. So for them, this
    > is outstanding.


    Except no one with 1000 M2M now is required to switch.

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, Apple Valley, CA
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net
    PGP: C57E 8B25 F994 D6D0 5F6B B961 EA08 9410 E3AE 35ED
     
  5. plane

    plane Guest

    Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message news:<epadnWkG3c5DmIXdRVn-hA@lmi.net>...
    > The Insider <InsideScoop@verizonwireless.com> wrote:
    > > Saw this on a printer today, it appeared to be a public document, and
    > >

    > Except no one with 1000 M2M now is required to switch.




    I'm not sure I understand what you are indicating; as I believe when
    M2M was first available, the charges were soemthing like $5/250 min,
    $10/1000, etc--
    Then, on family share plans, it was added *free* (that word). Also, I
    believe we are now getting more minutes (espcially on local digital
    accts) than a couple of years ago---this is more true with sprint and
    other carriers than verizon, but most agree that verizon is the
    highest rated carrier(you get what you pay for, etc). to me, this m2m
    stuff is a great value--My basis is my memory that just over 5 years
    or so ago, it cost .35/min to make a cell phone call--no long
    distance, no N&W, no m2M, a lot of the carriers charged extra for
    voice mail, 3 way, etc----and most every carrier had great big holes
    in the coverage areas.

    All these improvements, and for far less $$(both in real $ and
    inflation adjusted) If this is a price increase, please give me more.

    I have both sprint and verizon service, and I certainly hope you are
    right about verizon offering the unlimited between verizon accounts.

    As someone posted on sprint, the average user can get a minimal plan,
    with m2m, and have virtually unlimited communications, almost anywhere
    around the country---I'm just afraid this stuff will be discontinued.
     
  6. "The Insider" <InsideScoop@verizonwireless.com> wrote in message
    news:kAPRb.5403$BA2.3612@newssvr26.news.prodigy.com...

    > Marketing at it's best, comes from creative minds, finding ways to charge
    > more and make you like it. For those that use more than 1000 mtm now
    > in-network minutes this is fantastic. Records indicate that aprox 2% of

    our
    > customer base actually use more than 1000 mtm to minutes. So for them,

    this
    > is outstanding.


    MTM is an extremely good deal on Verizon in my area, because of the mass
    migration to Verizon. The Consumer Reports survey really highlighted the
    huge difference in quality in some areas, and in my area, nearly everyone I
    work with or know, has switched to Verizon, or is planning to do so when
    their AT&T contract ends. So 300 peak plus 1000 MTM really means closer to
    1300 peak, as long as you don't squander MTM on N&W calls. MTM is a powerful
    marketing tool
     
  7. plane <plane@usa.com> wrote:
    > Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message news:<epadnWkG3c5DmIXdRVn-hA@lmi.net>...
    >> The Insider <InsideScoop@verizonwireless.com> wrote:
    >> > Saw this on a printer today, it appeared to be a public document, and
    >> >

    >> Except no one with 1000 M2M now is required to switch.

    >
    > I'm not sure I understand what you are indicating; as I believe when
    > M2M was first available, the charges were soemthing like $5/250 min,
    > $10/1000, etc--


    The Insider said, and several people agreed, that the switch in M2M packages
    is a way to get people to pay more. OK, I agree that it may save Verizon
    money to *not* offer the old M2M package for *new* customers, but *current*
    customers aren't required to switch. If I saw more benefit from 1000 national
    M2M minutes than from the unlimited M2M I have now between my two VZW phones,
    I could have kept the 1000 national M2M.

    > stuff is a great value--My basis is my memory that just over 5 years
    > or so ago, it cost .35/min to make a cell phone call--no long
    > distance, no N&W, no m2M, a lot of the carriers charged extra for
    > voice mail, 3 way, etc----and most every carrier had great big holes
    > in the coverage areas.


    > All these improvements, and for far less $$(both in real $ and
    > inflation adjusted) If this is a price increase, please give me more.


    I agree.

    > As someone posted on sprint, the average user can get a minimal plan,
    > with m2m, and have virtually unlimited communications, almost anywhere
    > around the country---I'm just afraid this stuff will be discontinued.


    My wife has $30/month for 300 peak minutes and unlimited nights and weekends
    starting at 9pm, and pays $5 more for unlimited PCS to PCS minutes. She uses
    150-250 peak minutes and 300-500 PCS to PCS minutes per month, so we save
    significant amounts of money by using the $5 option. The $30/300 plan is no
    longer available at $30, but the $5 PCS-PCS option is still available.

    (Or were you talking about Verizon's M2M package?)

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, Apple Valley, CA
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net
    PGP: C57E 8B25 F994 D6D0 5F6B B961 EA08 9410 E3AE 35ED
     
  8. plane

    plane Guest

    "Steven M. Scharf" <scharf.steven@linkearth.net> wrote in message news:<Os9Sb.1563$uM2.375@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
    > "The Insider" <InsideScoop@verizonwireless.com> wrote in message
    > news:kAPRb.5403$BA2.3612@newssvr26.news.prodigy.com...
    >
    > > Marketing at it's best, comes from creative minds, finding ways to charge
    > > more and make you like it. For those that use more than 1000 mtm now
    > > switched to Verizon, or is planning to do so when


    > their AT&T contract ends. So 300 peak plus 1000 MTM really means closer to
    > 1300 peak, as long as you don't squander MTM on N&W calls. MTM is a powerful
    > marketing tool


    Your remark "squander mtm on n&w calls"; last year, my n&w usage was
    drained from my m2m, for the past few months, however, (in tn) the
    only m2m peak are deductd from my m2m---the off peaks are listed
    seperately, and now aren't deducted from the m2m bucket. possibly you
    could have your account undated to do this too--I have read here about
    m2m and it's relation to a non-unlimited n&w package---the new
    brochures specify the minute usuage patter, which reflects what is now
    occurring with my 2 verizon lines.
     
  9. David S

    David S Guest

    On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:15:58 GMT, "Steven M. Scharf"
    <scharf.steven@linkearth.net> chose to add this to the great equation of
    life, the universe, and everything:

    >So 300 peak plus 1000 MTM really means closer to
    >1300 peak, as long as you don't squander MTM on N&W calls.


    Everything I've seen says m2m calls made during n/w time count as n/w and
    are not charged against the m2m bucket.

    But of course I can't find it right now on VZW's web site.

    --
    David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    "California has a unique system of government, known technically as the
    'Any Random Loon Can Put Any Random Thing On the Ballot If Enough Random
    Loons Agree' system." - Dave Barry
     
  10. plane

    plane Guest

    David S <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message news:<s8tn1017ie3i7hlqggvjhuk9mai4ja2v9m@4ax.com>...
    > On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:15:58 GMT, "Steven M. Scharf"
    > <scharf.steven@linkearth.net> chose to add this to the great equation of
    > life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    > >So 300 peak plus 1000 MTM really means closer to
    > >1300 peak, as long as you don't squander MTM on N&W calls.

    >
    > Everything I've seen says m2m calls made during n/w time count as n/w and
    > are not charged against the m2m bucket.
    >
    > But of course I can't find it right now on VZW's web site.



    It is detailed on the current verizon brochure, and still is different
    depending if you have unlimited n&w or not.
     
  11. David S

    David S Guest

    On 31 Jan 2004 21:11:48 -0800, plane@usa.com (plane) chose to add this to
    the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

    >David S <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message news:<s8tn1017ie3i7hlqggvjhuk9mai4ja2v9m@4ax.com>...
    >> On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:15:58 GMT, "Steven M. Scharf"
    >> <scharf.steven@linkearth.net> chose to add this to the great equation of
    >> life, the universe, and everything:
    >>
    >> >So 300 peak plus 1000 MTM really means closer to
    >> >1300 peak, as long as you don't squander MTM on N&W calls.

    >>
    >> Everything I've seen says m2m calls made during n/w time count as n/w and
    >> are not charged against the m2m bucket.
    >>
    >> But of course I can't find it right now on VZW's web site.

    >
    >It is detailed on the current verizon brochure, and still is different
    >depending if you have unlimited n&w or not.


    I found it on a letter they sent me:

    What it boils down to is, if any kind of unlimited minutes are applicable
    to a call, they will be applied before any limited supply is used; if both
    n/w and m2m are limited amounts, an m2m call will be charged as m2m before
    it is charged as n/w.

    (That has always made me wonder... follow this scenario:

    you have 1000 minutes each of m2m and n/w

    toward the beginning of the month, you use 800 m2m minutes during n/w time

    toward the end of the month, you use 400 m2m minutes

    you have used all of your peak minutes for the month

    you have used less than 800 actual n/w minutes

    Will they reclassify 200 minutes of those early m2m calls as n/w so your
    m2m won't go over?)

    --
    David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    "...some night you'll open the door of your 'smart' refrigerator, looking
    for a beer, and you'll hear a pleasant, cheerful voice telling you: 'Your
    celery is limp.'" - Dave Barry
     

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