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Mobile Web / EN-MOU / WAP

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Michael Quinlan, Mar 5, 2004.

  1. I just recently upgrade to a VX4500 phone on an America's Choice Plan,
    subscribed to Mobile Web, and bought the Mobile Office Kit. Since
    then I've been reading a lot about free WAP and EN-MOU. The
    information seems to vary depending on when it was posted, and who
    posted it. There doesn't seem to be a clear consesus over time, or
    amongst posters.

    Do I automatically get EN-MOU as a result of subscribing to Mobile
    Web? Or do I have it anyway because my phone is get-it-now enabled?
    How can I tell if I have it at all?

    If I would have EN-MOU without Mobile Web (by virtue of get-it-now),
    what exactly does Mobile Web get me? Internet access via my phones
    web browser?
     



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  2. MVL

    MVL Guest

    Mobile Web gets you the ability to use Verizon-supported WAP (web
    browsing on your phone's lcd screen). It has nothing to do with the
    mobile office kit/NA-MOU. (it also bundles 100 free SMS/month)
    There are other free workarounds to get WAP working on your phone
    (search for WAP gateways), but these are not supported by Verizon.
    Regerdless of whether you pay the mobileweb charge or use a free
    gateway, you will be charged your rate plan minutes to view WAP sites
    (ie free on off peak if your rate plan specifies).

    Mobile Office is connecting a computer to your phone via a data cable.
    This can be done at 14.4kbps speed (otherwise called the QNC
    connection) for your rate plan minutes. It can be done at
    NationalAccess speeds (40-60kbps) for varying published data rate
    plans. EN-MOU is an unpublished NationalAccess data rate plan that
    only charges you your (voice) rate plan minutes to use NationalAccess
    speeds. It was designed to support GIN and pics on the newer
    phones, but can also be used for data cable connections. Because it
    is unpublished, CSR's are untrained in its existence. Some people
    have said that verizon is cracking down on its use (converting some
    people to the per kilobyte published NationalAccess plans), but others
    (like myself) have found no changes.

    My personal opinion is that verizon is converting the heavy EN-MOU
    users, and leaving light users alone.

    -MVL
     
  3. Don

    Don Guest

    MVL wrote:
    >
    > My personal opinion is that verizon is converting the heavy EN-MOU
    > users, and leaving light users alone.
    >
    > -MVL


    How are they able to tell who the heavy users are? Can they distinguish
    between data and voice transmission?

    Don
     
  4. Dr.WireMORE

    Dr.WireMORE Guest

    The Dr offers: Yes, Verizon can distinguish between heavy users and lite
    users. Do not read more if you are paranoid:

    They, meaning both the wireless carriers AND the local authorities, know
    much more about you than you would think... actually think everything. Who
    you call, when you call, where you are when you call takes care of voice.
    On data: what web sites you visit, how long, where you are when you make the
    data call. And to finish it off: while your on this web site, they can
    trace each and every message that is written, if not to the computer, to the
    dsl hub/router/provider. (Recent "bad guys" found out that the authorities
    can even track/monitor pre-paid callers with bogus sim cards... right to
    where they are standing when they make the call, including monitoring the
    call)

    On data: the typical voice conversation uses a certain amount of data; the
    same way many can tell the difference between a qnc call and a 1x call;
    verizon systems can recognize the difference between 14.4 of data vs 144kb
    bursts. While this is not to make you paranoid, it is a message to think
    "fair". Verizon offers a bunch of plans at a particular price. They
    monitor usage to be consistent with that price and if less they say "thank
    you", and if more, they bill you. Even if you don't like their practice, or
    for that matter any carriers practices, they deliver what they advertise.
    And if you use more, then it is fair to pay more.

    Now if they were "really" fair; if you used LESS, they'd give you a
    refund.....

    Dr WireMORE
    wireless consulting, engineer, midwest master agent, wilson electronic
    provider

    "Don" <rver123@mindspring.com> wrote in message
    news:40497201.C17@mindspring.com...
    > MVL wrote:
    > >
    > > My personal opinion is that verizon is converting the heavy EN-MOU
    > > users, and leaving light users alone.
    > >
    > > -MVL

    >
    > How are they able to tell who the heavy users are? Can they distinguish
    > between data and voice transmission?
    >
    > Don
     
  5. David S

    David S Guest

    On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 06:38:46 GMT, Don <rver123@mindspring.com> chose to add
    this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

    >MVL wrote:
    >>
    >> My personal opinion is that verizon is converting the heavy EN-MOU
    >> users, and leaving light users alone.

    >
    >How are they able to tell who the heavy users are? Can they distinguish
    >between data and voice transmission?


    You bet they can. Even if I use my phone to call my regular ISP's dialup
    number, it still comes up on my VZW bill as a data call.

    --
    David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    "I robbed from the rich, kind of like Robin Hood, except I kept it."
    - Bill Becker, thief, in the Seattle 'Post-Intelligencer'
     
  6. David L

    David L Guest

    David S <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message news:<7odm40tgj2ub1q3o1od3csvauul152arom@4ax.com>...
    > On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 06:38:46 GMT, Don <rver123@mindspring.com> chose to add
    > this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    > >MVL wrote:
    > >>
    > >> My personal opinion is that verizon is converting the heavy EN-MOU
    > >> users, and leaving light users alone.

    > >
    > >How are they able to tell who the heavy users are? Can they distinguish
    > >between data and voice transmission?

    >
    > You bet they can. Even if I use my phone to call my regular ISP's dialup
    > number, it still comes up on my VZW bill as a data call.


    Buy a prepaid at convinience store (in disguise). Turn it on once with
    gloved hand to send a coded text and then throw it away...
    But that probably just sets off a flag at the NSA anyway.

    Actually Verizon has shut off all free WAP access as far as I can
    tell. This is not just the usual WAP flakyness but a block. So now
    it's $5/month.

    -
    I was never here...
     
  7. David S

    David S Guest

    On 8 Mar 2004 23:42:10 -0800, davidlind@my-deja.com (David L) chose to add
    this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

    >David S <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message news:<7odm40tgj2ub1q3o1od3csvauul152arom@4ax.com>...
    >> On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 06:38:46 GMT, Don <rver123@mindspring.com> chose to add
    >> this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >>
    >> >MVL wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> My personal opinion is that verizon is converting the heavy EN-MOU
    >> >> users, and leaving light users alone.
    >> >
    >> >How are they able to tell who the heavy users are? Can they distinguish
    >> >between data and voice transmission?

    >>
    >> You bet they can. Even if I use my phone to call my regular ISP's dialup
    >> number, it still comes up on my VZW bill as a data call.

    >
    >Buy a prepaid at convinience store (in disguise). Turn it on once with
    >gloved hand to send a coded text and then throw it away...
    >But that probably just sets off a flag at the NSA anyway.


    I know this is sarcasm, but I still don't get where it came from.

    >Actually Verizon has shut off all free WAP access as far as I can
    >tell. This is not just the usual WAP flakyness but a block. So now
    >it's $5/month.


    The subject line not withstanding, we were discussing NA-MOU, not WAP.
    Nevertheless, waptunnel seems to be working tonight. (In case you didn't
    see it, there was a notice that they were taking it down for a couple weeks
    and it would be back in early March; I don't know if they hit the specific
    date target, but it's back now.)

    --
    David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    "I'm not sure there's such a thing as minor groin surgery. Anyone has a
    sharp instrument around my genitalia, I'm thinking it's major." - Dennis
    Miller in his debut as a member of the 'Monday Night Football' broadcast
    team
     

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