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More of Larry's BS...

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Richard Ness, Jul 3, 2004.

  1. Richard Ness

    Richard Ness Guest

    AMPS does have the ability to control the power levels on a phone
    Some carriers didn't use it however, but it is part of the protocol.


    "David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message news:2b1oe05cqjl9fuprlau9qmqtml46a4fm64@4ax.com...
    > On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    > add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    > >[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    > >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    > ><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    > >
    > >>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    > >>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    > >>
    > >>HOWEVER....
    > >>
    > >>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    > >>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    > >>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    > >>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    > >>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    > >>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    > >>with the noise.

    > >
    > >This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    > >increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    > >arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    > >
    > >They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    > >Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    > Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    > It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    > bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    > since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    > and antennae.
    >
    > And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    > transmits at full power.
    >
    > --
    > David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    > http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    > Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    > Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    > "A bit of lusting after someone does wonders for you and is good for your
    > skin." - Elizabeth Hurley
    >
     



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  2. Richard Ness

    Richard Ness Guest

    AMPS does have the ability to control the power levels on a phone
    Some carriers didn't use it however, but it is part of the protocol.


    "David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message news:2b1oe05cqjl9fuprlau9qmqtml46a4fm64@4ax.com...
    > On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    > add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    > >[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    > >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    > ><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    > >
    > >>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    > >>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    > >>
    > >>HOWEVER....
    > >>
    > >>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    > >>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    > >>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    > >>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    > >>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    > >>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    > >>with the noise.

    > >
    > >This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    > >increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    > >arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    > >
    > >They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    > >Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    > Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    > It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    > bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    > since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    > and antennae.
    >
    > And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    > transmits at full power.
    >
    > --
    > David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    > http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    > Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    > Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    > "A bit of lusting after someone does wonders for you and is good for your
    > skin." - Elizabeth Hurley
    >
     
  3. Richard Ness

    Richard Ness Guest

    AMPS does have the ability to control the power levels on a phone
    Some carriers didn't use it however, but it is part of the protocol.


    "David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message news:2b1oe05cqjl9fuprlau9qmqtml46a4fm64@4ax.com...
    > On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    > add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    > >[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    > >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    > ><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    > >
    > >>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    > >>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    > >>
    > >>HOWEVER....
    > >>
    > >>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    > >>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    > >>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    > >>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    > >>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    > >>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    > >>with the noise.

    > >
    > >This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    > >increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    > >arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    > >
    > >They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    > >Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    > Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    > It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    > bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    > since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    > and antennae.
    >
    > And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    > transmits at full power.
    >
    > --
    > David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    > http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    > Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    > Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    > "A bit of lusting after someone does wonders for you and is good for your
    > skin." - Elizabeth Hurley
    >
     
  4. Richard Ness

    Richard Ness Guest

    AMPS does have the ability to control the power levels on a phone
    Some carriers didn't use it however, but it is part of the protocol.


    "David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message news:2b1oe05cqjl9fuprlau9qmqtml46a4fm64@4ax.com...
    > On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    > add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    > >[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    > >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    > ><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    > >
    > >>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    > >>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    > >>
    > >>HOWEVER....
    > >>
    > >>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    > >>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    > >>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    > >>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    > >>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    > >>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    > >>with the noise.

    > >
    > >This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    > >increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    > >arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    > >
    > >They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    > >Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    > Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    > It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    > bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    > since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    > and antennae.
    >
    > And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    > transmits at full power.
    >
    > --
    > David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    > http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    > Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    > Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    > "A bit of lusting after someone does wonders for you and is good for your
    > skin." - Elizabeth Hurley
    >
     
  5. Richard Ness

    Richard Ness Guest

    AMPS does have the ability to control the power levels on a phone
    Some carriers didn't use it however, but it is part of the protocol.


    "David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message news:2b1oe05cqjl9fuprlau9qmqtml46a4fm64@4ax.com...
    > On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    > add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    > >[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    > >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    > ><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    > >
    > >>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    > >>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    > >>
    > >>HOWEVER....
    > >>
    > >>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    > >>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    > >>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    > >>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    > >>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    > >>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    > >>with the noise.

    > >
    > >This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    > >increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    > >arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    > >
    > >They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    > >Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    > Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    > It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    > bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    > since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    > and antennae.
    >
    > And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    > transmits at full power.
    >
    > --
    > David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    > http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    > Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    > Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    > "A bit of lusting after someone does wonders for you and is good for your
    > skin." - Elizabeth Hurley
    >
     
  6. Richard Ness

    Richard Ness Guest

    AMPS does have the ability to control the power levels on a phone
    Some carriers didn't use it however, but it is part of the protocol.


    "David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message news:2b1oe05cqjl9fuprlau9qmqtml46a4fm64@4ax.com...
    > On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    > add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    > >[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    > >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    > ><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    > >
    > >>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    > >>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    > >>
    > >>HOWEVER....
    > >>
    > >>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    > >>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    > >>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    > >>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    > >>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    > >>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    > >>with the noise.

    > >
    > >This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    > >increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    > >arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    > >
    > >They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    > >Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    > Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    > It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    > bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    > since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    > and antennae.
    >
    > And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    > transmits at full power.
    >
    > --
    > David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    > http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    > Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    > Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    > "A bit of lusting after someone does wonders for you and is good for your
    > skin." - Elizabeth Hurley
    >
     
  7. Richard Ness

    Richard Ness Guest

    AMPS does have the ability to control the power levels on a phone
    Some carriers didn't use it however, but it is part of the protocol.


    "David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message news:2b1oe05cqjl9fuprlau9qmqtml46a4fm64@4ax.com...
    > On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    > add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    > >[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    > >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    > ><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    > >
    > >>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    > >>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    > >>
    > >>HOWEVER....
    > >>
    > >>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    > >>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    > >>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    > >>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    > >>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    > >>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    > >>with the noise.

    > >
    > >This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    > >increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    > >arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    > >
    > >They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    > >Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    > Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    > It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    > bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    > since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    > and antennae.
    >
    > And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    > transmits at full power.
    >
    > --
    > David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    > http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    > Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    > Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    > "A bit of lusting after someone does wonders for you and is good for your
    > skin." - Elizabeth Hurley
    >
     
  8. Richard Ness

    Richard Ness Guest

    AMPS does have the ability to control the power levels on a phone
    Some carriers didn't use it however, but it is part of the protocol.


    "David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message news:2b1oe05cqjl9fuprlau9qmqtml46a4fm64@4ax.com...
    > On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    > add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    > >[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    > >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    > ><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    > >
    > >>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    > >>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    > >>
    > >>HOWEVER....
    > >>
    > >>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    > >>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    > >>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    > >>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    > >>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    > >>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    > >>with the noise.

    > >
    > >This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    > >increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    > >arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    > >
    > >They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    > >Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    > Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    > It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    > bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    > since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    > and antennae.
    >
    > And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    > transmits at full power.
    >
    > --
    > David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    > http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    > Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    > Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    > "A bit of lusting after someone does wonders for you and is good for your
    > skin." - Elizabeth Hurley
    >
     
  9. Richard Ness

    Richard Ness Guest

    AMPS does have the ability to control the power levels on a phone
    Some carriers didn't use it however, but it is part of the protocol.


    "David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message news:2b1oe05cqjl9fuprlau9qmqtml46a4fm64@4ax.com...
    > On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    > add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    > >[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    > >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    > ><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    > >
    > >>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    > >>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    > >>
    > >>HOWEVER....
    > >>
    > >>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    > >>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    > >>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    > >>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    > >>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    > >>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    > >>with the noise.

    > >
    > >This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    > >increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    > >arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    > >
    > >They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    > >Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    > Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    > It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    > bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    > since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    > and antennae.
    >
    > And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    > transmits at full power.
    >
    > --
    > David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    > http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    > Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    > Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    > "A bit of lusting after someone does wonders for you and is good for your
    > skin." - Elizabeth Hurley
    >
     
  10. Richard Ness

    Richard Ness Guest

    AMPS does have the ability to control the power levels on a phone
    Some carriers didn't use it however, but it is part of the protocol.


    "David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message news:2b1oe05cqjl9fuprlau9qmqtml46a4fm64@4ax.com...
    > On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    > add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    > >[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    > >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    > ><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    > >
    > >>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    > >>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    > >>
    > >>HOWEVER....
    > >>
    > >>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    > >>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    > >>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    > >>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    > >>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    > >>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    > >>with the noise.

    > >
    > >This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    > >increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    > >arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    > >
    > >They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    > >Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    > Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    > It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    > bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    > since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    > and antennae.
    >
    > And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    > transmits at full power.
    >
    > --
    > David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    > http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    > Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    > Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    > "A bit of lusting after someone does wonders for you and is good for your
    > skin." - Elizabeth Hurley
    >
     
  11. Richard Ness

    Richard Ness Guest

    AMPS does have the ability to control the power levels on a phone
    Some carriers didn't use it however, but it is part of the protocol.


    "David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message news:2b1oe05cqjl9fuprlau9qmqtml46a4fm64@4ax.com...
    > On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    > add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    > >[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    > >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    > ><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    > >
    > >>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    > >>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    > >>
    > >>HOWEVER....
    > >>
    > >>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    > >>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    > >>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    > >>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    > >>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    > >>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    > >>with the noise.

    > >
    > >This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    > >increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    > >arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    > >
    > >They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    > >Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    > Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    > It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    > bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    > since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    > and antennae.
    >
    > And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    > transmits at full power.
    >
    > --
    > David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    > http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    > Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    > Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    > "A bit of lusting after someone does wonders for you and is good for your
    > skin." - Elizabeth Hurley
    >
     
  12. Richard Ness

    Richard Ness Guest

    AMPS does have the ability to control the power levels on a phone
    Some carriers didn't use it however, but it is part of the protocol.


    "David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message news:2b1oe05cqjl9fuprlau9qmqtml46a4fm64@4ax.com...
    > On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    > add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    > >[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    > >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    > ><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    > >
    > >>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    > >>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    > >>
    > >>HOWEVER....
    > >>
    > >>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    > >>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    > >>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    > >>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    > >>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    > >>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    > >>with the noise.

    > >
    > >This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    > >increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    > >arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    > >
    > >They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    > >Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    > Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    > It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    > bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    > since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    > and antennae.
    >
    > And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    > transmits at full power.
    >
    > --
    > David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    > http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    > Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    > Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    > "A bit of lusting after someone does wonders for you and is good for your
    > skin." - Elizabeth Hurley
    >
     
  13. Richard Ness

    Richard Ness Guest

    AMPS does have the ability to control the power levels on a phone
    Some carriers didn't use it however, but it is part of the protocol.


    "David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message news:2b1oe05cqjl9fuprlau9qmqtml46a4fm64@4ax.com...
    > On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    > add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    > >[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    > >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    > ><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    > >
    > >>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    > >>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    > >>
    > >>HOWEVER....
    > >>
    > >>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    > >>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    > >>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    > >>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    > >>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    > >>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    > >>with the noise.

    > >
    > >This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    > >increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    > >arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    > >
    > >They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    > >Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    > Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    > It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    > bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    > since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    > and antennae.
    >
    > And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    > transmits at full power.
    >
    > --
    > David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    > http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    > Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    > Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    > "A bit of lusting after someone does wonders for you and is good for your
    > skin." - Elizabeth Hurley
    >
     
  14. Richard Ness

    Richard Ness Guest

    AMPS does have the ability to control the power levels on a phone
    Some carriers didn't use it however, but it is part of the protocol.


    "David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message news:2b1oe05cqjl9fuprlau9qmqtml46a4fm64@4ax.com...
    > On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    > add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    > >[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    > >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    > ><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    > >
    > >>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    > >>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    > >>
    > >>HOWEVER....
    > >>
    > >>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    > >>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    > >>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    > >>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    > >>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    > >>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    > >>with the noise.

    > >
    > >This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    > >increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    > >arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    > >
    > >They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    > >Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    > Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    > It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    > bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    > since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    > and antennae.
    >
    > And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    > transmits at full power.
    >
    > --
    > David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    > http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    > Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    > Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    > "A bit of lusting after someone does wonders for you and is good for your
    > skin." - Elizabeth Hurley
    >
     
  15. Richard Ness

    Richard Ness Guest

    AMPS does have the ability to control the power levels on a phone
    Some carriers didn't use it however, but it is part of the protocol.


    "David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message news:2b1oe05cqjl9fuprlau9qmqtml46a4fm64@4ax.com...
    > On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    > add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    > >[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    > >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    > ><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    > >
    > >>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    > >>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    > >>
    > >>HOWEVER....
    > >>
    > >>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    > >>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    > >>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    > >>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    > >>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    > >>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    > >>with the noise.

    > >
    > >This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    > >increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    > >arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    > >
    > >They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    > >Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    > Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    > It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    > bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    > since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    > and antennae.
    >
    > And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    > transmits at full power.
    >
    > --
    > David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    > http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    > Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    > Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    > "A bit of lusting after someone does wonders for you and is good for your
    > skin." - Elizabeth Hurley
    >
     
  16. Richard Ness

    Richard Ness Guest

    AMPS does have the ability to control the power levels on a phone
    Some carriers didn't use it however, but it is part of the protocol.


    "David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message news:2b1oe05cqjl9fuprlau9qmqtml46a4fm64@4ax.com...
    > On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    > add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    > >[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    > >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    > ><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    > >
    > >>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    > >>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    > >>
    > >>HOWEVER....
    > >>
    > >>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    > >>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    > >>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    > >>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    > >>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    > >>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    > >>with the noise.

    > >
    > >This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    > >increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    > >arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    > >
    > >They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    > >Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    > Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    > It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    > bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    > since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    > and antennae.
    >
    > And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    > transmits at full power.
    >
    > --
    > David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    > http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    > Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    > Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    > "A bit of lusting after someone does wonders for you and is good for your
    > skin." - Elizabeth Hurley
    >
     
  17. Richard Ness

    Richard Ness Guest

    AMPS does have the ability to control the power levels on a phone
    Some carriers didn't use it however, but it is part of the protocol.


    "David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message news:2b1oe05cqjl9fuprlau9qmqtml46a4fm64@4ax.com...
    > On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    > add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    > >[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    > >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    > ><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    > >
    > >>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    > >>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    > >>
    > >>HOWEVER....
    > >>
    > >>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    > >>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    > >>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    > >>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    > >>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    > >>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    > >>with the noise.

    > >
    > >This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    > >increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    > >arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    > >
    > >They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    > >Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    > Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    > It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    > bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    > since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    > and antennae.
    >
    > And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    > transmits at full power.
    >
    > --
    > David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    > http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    > Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    > Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    > "A bit of lusting after someone does wonders for you and is good for your
    > skin." - Elizabeth Hurley
    >
     
  18. CharlesH

    CharlesH Guest

    In article <HamdnRNshI_gR3HdRVn-jg@comcast.com>,
    Richard Ness <richardno@damnspam.nessnet.com> wrote:
    >AMPS does have the ability to control the power levels on a phone
    >Some carriers didn't use it however, but it is part of the protocol.
    >
    >"David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message
    >news:2b1oe05cqjl9fuprlau9qmqtml46a4fm64@4ax.com...
    >> It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    >> bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    >> since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    >> and antennae.
    >>
    >> And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    >> transmits at full power.


    A given cellular antenna covers the whole cellular band (A-side or B-side,
    anyway), and can be designed to additionally handle the PCS band (or you
    can have PCS-only antennas). There are generally separate transmit and
    receive antennas. CDMA and AMPS will be deployed on distinct channels
    on a given cellular band, so they use the same antenna. The fact that
    on some channels the modulation is analog FM, and on others is digital
    spread-spectrum, is irrelevant.

    Concerning power, I think most cellular companies used the AMPS power
    control protocol. But the transmitter is on for the entire duration of
    the call, whether you are talking or not.
     
  19. CharlesH

    CharlesH Guest

    In article <HamdnRNshI_gR3HdRVn-jg@comcast.com>,
    Richard Ness <richardno@damnspam.nessnet.com> wrote:
    >AMPS does have the ability to control the power levels on a phone
    >Some carriers didn't use it however, but it is part of the protocol.
    >
    >"David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message
    >news:2b1oe05cqjl9fuprlau9qmqtml46a4fm64@4ax.com...
    >> It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    >> bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    >> since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    >> and antennae.
    >>
    >> And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    >> transmits at full power.


    A given cellular antenna covers the whole cellular band (A-side or B-side,
    anyway), and can be designed to additionally handle the PCS band (or you
    can have PCS-only antennas). There are generally separate transmit and
    receive antennas. CDMA and AMPS will be deployed on distinct channels
    on a given cellular band, so they use the same antenna. The fact that
    on some channels the modulation is analog FM, and on others is digital
    spread-spectrum, is irrelevant.

    Concerning power, I think most cellular companies used the AMPS power
    control protocol. But the transmitter is on for the entire duration of
    the call, whether you are talking or not.
     
  20. CharlesH

    CharlesH Guest

    In article <HamdnRNshI_gR3HdRVn-jg@comcast.com>,
    Richard Ness <richardno@damnspam.nessnet.com> wrote:
    >AMPS does have the ability to control the power levels on a phone
    >Some carriers didn't use it however, but it is part of the protocol.
    >
    >"David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message
    >news:2b1oe05cqjl9fuprlau9qmqtml46a4fm64@4ax.com...
    >> It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    >> bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    >> since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    >> and antennae.
    >>
    >> And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    >> transmits at full power.


    A given cellular antenna covers the whole cellular band (A-side or B-side,
    anyway), and can be designed to additionally handle the PCS band (or you
    can have PCS-only antennas). There are generally separate transmit and
    receive antennas. CDMA and AMPS will be deployed on distinct channels
    on a given cellular band, so they use the same antenna. The fact that
    on some channels the modulation is analog FM, and on others is digital
    spread-spectrum, is irrelevant.

    Concerning power, I think most cellular companies used the AMPS power
    control protocol. But the transmitter is on for the entire duration of
    the call, whether you are talking or not.
     

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