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More of Larry's BS...

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Richard Ness, Jul 3, 2004.

  1. gerry

    gerry Guest

    [original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:04:24 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    >add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    >>[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    >>On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    >><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    >>>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    >>>
    >>>HOWEVER....
    >>>
    >>>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    >>>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    >>>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    >>>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    >>>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    >>>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    >>>with the noise.

    >>
    >>This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    >>increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    >>arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    >>
    >>They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    >>Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    >Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    >It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    >bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    >since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    >and antennae.
    >
    >And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    >transmits at full power.


    Others posted the power issue, but digital and analog DO NOT need
    different transceivers (complete) and share antennae. It's just how
    fractions of the frequency allotment (channels) are used.

    AMPS is divided into a number of channels, CDMA just uses several of these
    channels (portion of the transceiver and system's bandwidth). Only the
    modulator/demodulator methods vary. A number of channels treated as CDMA
    and a ever decreasing number allocated as AMPS.

    gerry


    --

    Personal home page - http://gogood.com

    gerry misspelled in my email address to confuse robots
     



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  2. gerry

    gerry Guest

    [original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:04:24 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    >add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    >>[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    >>On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    >><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    >>>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    >>>
    >>>HOWEVER....
    >>>
    >>>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    >>>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    >>>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    >>>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    >>>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    >>>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    >>>with the noise.

    >>
    >>This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    >>increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    >>arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    >>
    >>They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    >>Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    >Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    >It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    >bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    >since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    >and antennae.
    >
    >And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    >transmits at full power.


    Others posted the power issue, but digital and analog DO NOT need
    different transceivers (complete) and share antennae. It's just how
    fractions of the frequency allotment (channels) are used.

    AMPS is divided into a number of channels, CDMA just uses several of these
    channels (portion of the transceiver and system's bandwidth). Only the
    modulator/demodulator methods vary. A number of channels treated as CDMA
    and a ever decreasing number allocated as AMPS.

    gerry


    --

    Personal home page - http://gogood.com

    gerry misspelled in my email address to confuse robots
     
  3. gerry

    gerry Guest

    [original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:04:24 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    >add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    >>[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    >>On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    >><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    >>>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    >>>
    >>>HOWEVER....
    >>>
    >>>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    >>>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    >>>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    >>>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    >>>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    >>>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    >>>with the noise.

    >>
    >>This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    >>increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    >>arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    >>
    >>They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    >>Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    >Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    >It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    >bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    >since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    >and antennae.
    >
    >And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    >transmits at full power.


    Others posted the power issue, but digital and analog DO NOT need
    different transceivers (complete) and share antennae. It's just how
    fractions of the frequency allotment (channels) are used.

    AMPS is divided into a number of channels, CDMA just uses several of these
    channels (portion of the transceiver and system's bandwidth). Only the
    modulator/demodulator methods vary. A number of channels treated as CDMA
    and a ever decreasing number allocated as AMPS.

    gerry


    --

    Personal home page - http://gogood.com

    gerry misspelled in my email address to confuse robots
     
  4. gerry

    gerry Guest

    [original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:04:24 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    >add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    >>[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    >>On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    >><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    >>>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    >>>
    >>>HOWEVER....
    >>>
    >>>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    >>>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    >>>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    >>>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    >>>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    >>>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    >>>with the noise.

    >>
    >>This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    >>increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    >>arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    >>
    >>They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    >>Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    >Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    >It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    >bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    >since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    >and antennae.
    >
    >And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    >transmits at full power.


    Others posted the power issue, but digital and analog DO NOT need
    different transceivers (complete) and share antennae. It's just how
    fractions of the frequency allotment (channels) are used.

    AMPS is divided into a number of channels, CDMA just uses several of these
    channels (portion of the transceiver and system's bandwidth). Only the
    modulator/demodulator methods vary. A number of channels treated as CDMA
    and a ever decreasing number allocated as AMPS.

    gerry


    --

    Personal home page - http://gogood.com

    gerry misspelled in my email address to confuse robots
     
  5. gerry

    gerry Guest

    [original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:04:24 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    >add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    >>[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    >>On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    >><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    >>>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    >>>
    >>>HOWEVER....
    >>>
    >>>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    >>>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    >>>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    >>>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    >>>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    >>>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    >>>with the noise.

    >>
    >>This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    >>increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    >>arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    >>
    >>They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    >>Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    >Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    >It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    >bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    >since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    >and antennae.
    >
    >And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    >transmits at full power.


    Others posted the power issue, but digital and analog DO NOT need
    different transceivers (complete) and share antennae. It's just how
    fractions of the frequency allotment (channels) are used.

    AMPS is divided into a number of channels, CDMA just uses several of these
    channels (portion of the transceiver and system's bandwidth). Only the
    modulator/demodulator methods vary. A number of channels treated as CDMA
    and a ever decreasing number allocated as AMPS.

    gerry


    --

    Personal home page - http://gogood.com

    gerry misspelled in my email address to confuse robots
     
  6. gerry

    gerry Guest

    [original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:04:24 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    >add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    >>[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    >>On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    >><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    >>>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    >>>
    >>>HOWEVER....
    >>>
    >>>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    >>>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    >>>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    >>>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    >>>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    >>>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    >>>with the noise.

    >>
    >>This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    >>increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    >>arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    >>
    >>They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    >>Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    >Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    >It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    >bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    >since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    >and antennae.
    >
    >And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    >transmits at full power.


    Others posted the power issue, but digital and analog DO NOT need
    different transceivers (complete) and share antennae. It's just how
    fractions of the frequency allotment (channels) are used.

    AMPS is divided into a number of channels, CDMA just uses several of these
    channels (portion of the transceiver and system's bandwidth). Only the
    modulator/demodulator methods vary. A number of channels treated as CDMA
    and a ever decreasing number allocated as AMPS.

    gerry


    --

    Personal home page - http://gogood.com

    gerry misspelled in my email address to confuse robots
     
  7. gerry

    gerry Guest

    [original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:04:24 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    >add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    >>[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    >>On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    >><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    >>>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    >>>
    >>>HOWEVER....
    >>>
    >>>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    >>>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    >>>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    >>>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    >>>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    >>>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    >>>with the noise.

    >>
    >>This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    >>increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    >>arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    >>
    >>They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    >>Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    >Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    >It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    >bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    >since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    >and antennae.
    >
    >And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    >transmits at full power.


    Others posted the power issue, but digital and analog DO NOT need
    different transceivers (complete) and share antennae. It's just how
    fractions of the frequency allotment (channels) are used.

    AMPS is divided into a number of channels, CDMA just uses several of these
    channels (portion of the transceiver and system's bandwidth). Only the
    modulator/demodulator methods vary. A number of channels treated as CDMA
    and a ever decreasing number allocated as AMPS.

    gerry


    --

    Personal home page - http://gogood.com

    gerry misspelled in my email address to confuse robots
     
  8. gerry

    gerry Guest

    [original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:04:24 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    >add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    >>[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    >>On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    >><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    >>>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    >>>
    >>>HOWEVER....
    >>>
    >>>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    >>>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    >>>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    >>>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    >>>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    >>>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    >>>with the noise.

    >>
    >>This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    >>increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    >>arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    >>
    >>They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    >>Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    >Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    >It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    >bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    >since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    >and antennae.
    >
    >And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    >transmits at full power.


    Others posted the power issue, but digital and analog DO NOT need
    different transceivers (complete) and share antennae. It's just how
    fractions of the frequency allotment (channels) are used.

    AMPS is divided into a number of channels, CDMA just uses several of these
    channels (portion of the transceiver and system's bandwidth). Only the
    modulator/demodulator methods vary. A number of channels treated as CDMA
    and a ever decreasing number allocated as AMPS.

    gerry


    --

    Personal home page - http://gogood.com

    gerry misspelled in my email address to confuse robots
     
  9. gerry

    gerry Guest

    [original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:04:24 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    >add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    >>[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    >>On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    >><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    >>>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    >>>
    >>>HOWEVER....
    >>>
    >>>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    >>>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    >>>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    >>>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    >>>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    >>>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    >>>with the noise.

    >>
    >>This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    >>increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    >>arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    >>
    >>They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    >>Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    >Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    >It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    >bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    >since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    >and antennae.
    >
    >And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    >transmits at full power.


    Others posted the power issue, but digital and analog DO NOT need
    different transceivers (complete) and share antennae. It's just how
    fractions of the frequency allotment (channels) are used.

    AMPS is divided into a number of channels, CDMA just uses several of these
    channels (portion of the transceiver and system's bandwidth). Only the
    modulator/demodulator methods vary. A number of channels treated as CDMA
    and a ever decreasing number allocated as AMPS.

    gerry


    --

    Personal home page - http://gogood.com

    gerry misspelled in my email address to confuse robots
     
  10. gerry

    gerry Guest

    [original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:04:24 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    >add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    >>[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    >>On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    >><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    >>>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    >>>
    >>>HOWEVER....
    >>>
    >>>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    >>>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    >>>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    >>>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    >>>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    >>>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    >>>with the noise.

    >>
    >>This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    >>increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    >>arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    >>
    >>They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    >>Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    >Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    >It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    >bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    >since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    >and antennae.
    >
    >And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    >transmits at full power.


    Others posted the power issue, but digital and analog DO NOT need
    different transceivers (complete) and share antennae. It's just how
    fractions of the frequency allotment (channels) are used.

    AMPS is divided into a number of channels, CDMA just uses several of these
    channels (portion of the transceiver and system's bandwidth). Only the
    modulator/demodulator methods vary. A number of channels treated as CDMA
    and a ever decreasing number allocated as AMPS.

    gerry


    --

    Personal home page - http://gogood.com

    gerry misspelled in my email address to confuse robots
     
  11. gerry

    gerry Guest

    [original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:04:24 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    >add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    >>[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    >>On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    >><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    >>>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    >>>
    >>>HOWEVER....
    >>>
    >>>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    >>>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    >>>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    >>>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    >>>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    >>>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    >>>with the noise.

    >>
    >>This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    >>increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    >>arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    >>
    >>They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    >>Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    >Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    >It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    >bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    >since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    >and antennae.
    >
    >And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    >transmits at full power.


    Others posted the power issue, but digital and analog DO NOT need
    different transceivers (complete) and share antennae. It's just how
    fractions of the frequency allotment (channels) are used.

    AMPS is divided into a number of channels, CDMA just uses several of these
    channels (portion of the transceiver and system's bandwidth). Only the
    modulator/demodulator methods vary. A number of channels treated as CDMA
    and a ever decreasing number allocated as AMPS.

    gerry


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  12. gerry

    gerry Guest

    [original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:04:24 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    >add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    >>[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    >>On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    >><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    >>>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    >>>
    >>>HOWEVER....
    >>>
    >>>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    >>>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    >>>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    >>>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    >>>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    >>>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    >>>with the noise.

    >>
    >>This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    >>increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    >>arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    >>
    >>They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    >>Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    >Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    >It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    >bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    >since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    >and antennae.
    >
    >And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    >transmits at full power.


    Others posted the power issue, but digital and analog DO NOT need
    different transceivers (complete) and share antennae. It's just how
    fractions of the frequency allotment (channels) are used.

    AMPS is divided into a number of channels, CDMA just uses several of these
    channels (portion of the transceiver and system's bandwidth). Only the
    modulator/demodulator methods vary. A number of channels treated as CDMA
    and a ever decreasing number allocated as AMPS.

    gerry


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  13. gerry

    gerry Guest

    [original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:04:24 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    >add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    >>[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    >>On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    >><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    >>>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    >>>
    >>>HOWEVER....
    >>>
    >>>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    >>>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    >>>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    >>>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    >>>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    >>>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    >>>with the noise.

    >>
    >>This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    >>increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    >>arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    >>
    >>They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    >>Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    >Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    >It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    >bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    >since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    >and antennae.
    >
    >And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    >transmits at full power.


    Others posted the power issue, but digital and analog DO NOT need
    different transceivers (complete) and share antennae. It's just how
    fractions of the frequency allotment (channels) are used.

    AMPS is divided into a number of channels, CDMA just uses several of these
    channels (portion of the transceiver and system's bandwidth). Only the
    modulator/demodulator methods vary. A number of channels treated as CDMA
    and a ever decreasing number allocated as AMPS.

    gerry


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    Personal home page - http://gogood.com

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  14. gerry

    gerry Guest

    [original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:04:24 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    >add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    >>[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    >>On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    >><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    >>>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    >>>
    >>>HOWEVER....
    >>>
    >>>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    >>>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    >>>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    >>>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    >>>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    >>>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    >>>with the noise.

    >>
    >>This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    >>increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    >>arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    >>
    >>They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    >>Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    >Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    >It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    >bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    >since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    >and antennae.
    >
    >And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    >transmits at full power.


    Others posted the power issue, but digital and analog DO NOT need
    different transceivers (complete) and share antennae. It's just how
    fractions of the frequency allotment (channels) are used.

    AMPS is divided into a number of channels, CDMA just uses several of these
    channels (portion of the transceiver and system's bandwidth). Only the
    modulator/demodulator methods vary. A number of channels treated as CDMA
    and a ever decreasing number allocated as AMPS.

    gerry


    --

    Personal home page - http://gogood.com

    gerry misspelled in my email address to confuse robots
     
  15. gerry

    gerry Guest

    [original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:04:24 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    >add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    >>[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    >>On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    >><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    >>>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    >>>
    >>>HOWEVER....
    >>>
    >>>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    >>>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    >>>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    >>>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    >>>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    >>>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    >>>with the noise.

    >>
    >>This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    >>increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    >>arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    >>
    >>They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    >>Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    >Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    >It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    >bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    >since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    >and antennae.
    >
    >And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    >transmits at full power.


    Others posted the power issue, but digital and analog DO NOT need
    different transceivers (complete) and share antennae. It's just how
    fractions of the frequency allotment (channels) are used.

    AMPS is divided into a number of channels, CDMA just uses several of these
    channels (portion of the transceiver and system's bandwidth). Only the
    modulator/demodulator methods vary. A number of channels treated as CDMA
    and a ever decreasing number allocated as AMPS.

    gerry


    --

    Personal home page - http://gogood.com

    gerry misspelled in my email address to confuse robots
     
  16. gerry

    gerry Guest

    [original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:04:24 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    >add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    >>[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    >>On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    >><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    >>>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    >>>
    >>>HOWEVER....
    >>>
    >>>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    >>>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    >>>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    >>>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    >>>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    >>>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    >>>with the noise.

    >>
    >>This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    >>increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    >>arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    >>
    >>They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    >>Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    >Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    >It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    >bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    >since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    >and antennae.
    >
    >And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    >transmits at full power.


    Others posted the power issue, but digital and analog DO NOT need
    different transceivers (complete) and share antennae. It's just how
    fractions of the frequency allotment (channels) are used.

    AMPS is divided into a number of channels, CDMA just uses several of these
    channels (portion of the transceiver and system's bandwidth). Only the
    modulator/demodulator methods vary. A number of channels treated as CDMA
    and a ever decreasing number allocated as AMPS.

    gerry


    --

    Personal home page - http://gogood.com

    gerry misspelled in my email address to confuse robots
     
  17. gerry

    gerry Guest

    [original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:04:24 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    >add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    >>[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    >>On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    >><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    >>>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    >>>
    >>>HOWEVER....
    >>>
    >>>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    >>>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    >>>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    >>>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    >>>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    >>>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    >>>with the noise.

    >>
    >>This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    >>increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    >>arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    >>
    >>They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    >>Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    >Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    >It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    >bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    >since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    >and antennae.
    >
    >And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    >transmits at full power.


    Others posted the power issue, but digital and analog DO NOT need
    different transceivers (complete) and share antennae. It's just how
    fractions of the frequency allotment (channels) are used.

    AMPS is divided into a number of channels, CDMA just uses several of these
    channels (portion of the transceiver and system's bandwidth). Only the
    modulator/demodulator methods vary. A number of channels treated as CDMA
    and a ever decreasing number allocated as AMPS.

    gerry


    --

    Personal home page - http://gogood.com

    gerry misspelled in my email address to confuse robots
     
  18. gerry

    gerry Guest

    [original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:04:24 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    >add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    >>[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    >>On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    >><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    >>>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    >>>
    >>>HOWEVER....
    >>>
    >>>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    >>>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    >>>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    >>>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    >>>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    >>>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    >>>with the noise.

    >>
    >>This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    >>increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    >>arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    >>
    >>They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    >>Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    >Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    >It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    >bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    >since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    >and antennae.
    >
    >And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    >transmits at full power.


    Others posted the power issue, but digital and analog DO NOT need
    different transceivers (complete) and share antennae. It's just how
    fractions of the frequency allotment (channels) are used.

    AMPS is divided into a number of channels, CDMA just uses several of these
    channels (portion of the transceiver and system's bandwidth). Only the
    modulator/demodulator methods vary. A number of channels treated as CDMA
    and a ever decreasing number allocated as AMPS.

    gerry


    --

    Personal home page - http://gogood.com

    gerry misspelled in my email address to confuse robots
     
  19. gerry

    gerry Guest

    [original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:04:24 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    >add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    >>[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    >>On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    >><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    >>>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    >>>
    >>>HOWEVER....
    >>>
    >>>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    >>>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    >>>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    >>>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    >>>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    >>>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    >>>with the noise.

    >>
    >>This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    >>increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    >>arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    >>
    >>They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    >>Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    >Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    >It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    >bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    >since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    >and antennae.
    >
    >And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    >transmits at full power.


    Others posted the power issue, but digital and analog DO NOT need
    different transceivers (complete) and share antennae. It's just how
    fractions of the frequency allotment (channels) are used.

    AMPS is divided into a number of channels, CDMA just uses several of these
    channels (portion of the transceiver and system's bandwidth). Only the
    modulator/demodulator methods vary. A number of channels treated as CDMA
    and a ever decreasing number allocated as AMPS.

    gerry


    --

    Personal home page - http://gogood.com

    gerry misspelled in my email address to confuse robots
     
  20. gerry

    gerry Guest

    [original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:04:24 GMT, David S
    <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:

    >On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:50:20 -0400, gerry <gerrry_net@gogood.com> chose to
    >add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    >>[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
    >>On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:34:09 GMT, David S
    >><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Larry is wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a large number of smaller
    >>>cells is better than a small number of big cells.
    >>>
    >>>HOWEVER....
    >>>
    >>>Larry is right in that even a digital phone, on the fringe of a cell's
    >>>coverage or inside a building, would have a better chance of making and
    >>>keeping a call if it had a higher power output. A CDMA tower can always
    >>>command a phone capable of as much as 3W to ratchet down its power to 100
    >>>or 50 or even 10mW if that is what is necessary to keep the noise floor
    >>>even, but the tower CANNOT command a 200mW phone to go to 300mW to keep up
    >>>with the noise.

    >>
    >>This (almost) has nothing to do with analog of digital! It's simply
    >>increased usage and essentially creating more cells via more directional
    >>arrays per tower and higher tower density.
    >>
    >>They use the same frequencies, there are not digital vas analog antennas.
    >>Just arrays that cover smaller areas so one can have more cells.

    >
    >Did you read the part of my post before the "HOWEVER...."?
    >
    >It was my impression that even though CDMA and AMPS use the same frequency
    >bands, they cannot be on the same exact frequencies at the same time, and,
    >since they are different types of transmissions, need separate transceivers
    >and antennae.
    >
    >And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that on AMPS, the phone always
    >transmits at full power.


    Others posted the power issue, but digital and analog DO NOT need
    different transceivers (complete) and share antennae. It's just how
    fractions of the frequency allotment (channels) are used.

    AMPS is divided into a number of channels, CDMA just uses several of these
    channels (portion of the transceiver and system's bandwidth). Only the
    modulator/demodulator methods vary. A number of channels treated as CDMA
    and a ever decreasing number allocated as AMPS.

    gerry


    --

    Personal home page - http://gogood.com

    gerry misspelled in my email address to confuse robots
     

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