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Moto 710 - signal strength and signal/noise?

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Louise, May 10, 2005.

  1. Louise

    Louise Guest

    In the Moto 710 - how do you get to the information which shows the real
    signal strength (not just the bars) and the signal to noise ratio?

    TIA

    Louise



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  2. royc

    royc Guest

    Louise wrote:
    > In the Moto 710 - how do you get to the information which shows the

    real
    > signal strength (not just the bars) and the signal to noise ratio?
    >
    > TIA
    >
    > Louise


    Menu 0,7,3,8,8,7,*
    Secur Code - 000000
    Scroll to test mode and enable
    Menu then left soft key toggles test mode on and off
  3. Louise

    Louise Guest

    In article <1115774667.574736.171200@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
    clouston@sprynet.com says...
    > Louise wrote:
    > > In the Moto 710 - how do you get to the information which shows the

    > real
    > > signal strength (not just the bars) and the signal to noise ratio?
    > >
    > > TIA
    > >
    > > Louise

    >
    > Menu 0,7,3,8,8,7,*
    > Secur Code - 000000
    > Scroll to test mode and enable
    > Menu then left soft key toggles test mode on and off
    >
    >

    I hit the menu key (top middle key)
    I got all the icons for contacts, get it now, messaging etc.
    I tried to punch in 0 7 3 8 8 7 *
    nothing happened
    I tried it again and hit ok - it tried to dial the "number"

    What am I doing wrong?

    Thanks again.

    Louise
  4. CharlesH

    CharlesH Guest

    Louise wrote:
    > In article <1115774667.574736.171200@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
    > clouston@sprynet.com says...
    >
    >>Louise wrote:
    >>
    >>>In the Moto 710 - how do you get to the information which shows the real
    >>>signal strength (not just the bars) and the signal to noise ratio?
    >>>
    >>>TIA
    >>>
    >>>Louise

    >>
    >>Menu 0,7,3,8,8,7,*
    >>Secur Code - 000000
    >>Scroll to test mode and enable
    >>Menu then left soft key toggles test mode on and off

    >
    > I hit the menu key (top middle key)
    > I got all the icons for contacts, get it now, messaging etc.
    > I tried to punch in 0 7 3 8 8 7 * nothing happened
    > I tried it again and hit ok - it tried to dial the "number"
    >
    > What am I doing wrong?
    >
    > Thanks again.
    >
    > Louise


    Speed is the key to get it to accept this code. No pauses between
    keystrokes. And you have to start in the main menu.

    ##DEBUG (##33284) is a faster way to enable/disable testmode, rather
    than going through extended setup as described above (73887 = SETUP).
    The G(4) will not show if you did it fast enough.
  5. CharlesH

    CharlesH Guest

    CharlesH wrote:
    > Louise wrote:
    >
    >> In article <1115774667.574736.171200@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
    >> clouston@sprynet.com says...
    >>
    >>> Louise wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> In the Moto 710 - how do you get to the information which shows the
    >>>> real
    >>>> signal strength (not just the bars) and the signal to noise ratio?
    >>>>
    >>>> TIA
    >>>>
    >>>> Louise
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Menu 0,7,3,8,8,7,*
    >>> Secur Code - 000000
    >>> Scroll to test mode and enable
    >>> Menu then left soft key toggles test mode on and off

    >>
    >>
    >> I hit the menu key (top middle key)
    >> I got all the icons for contacts, get it now, messaging etc.
    >> I tried to punch in 0 7 3 8 8 7 * nothing happened
    >> I tried it again and hit ok - it tried to dial the "number"
    >>
    >> What am I doing wrong?
    >>
    >> Thanks again.
    >>
    >> Louise

    >
    > Speed is the key to get it to accept this code. No pauses between
    > keystrokes. And you have to start in the main menu.
    >
    > ##DEBUG (##33284) is a faster way to enable/disable testmode, rather
    > than going through extended setup as described above (73887 = SETUP).
    > The G(4) will not show if you did it fast enough.


    Do exactly the keypresses specified; no more. Do not hit OK, do not hit
    the Send button (phone with lifted handset), or anything else. This is
    not a phone number being dialed; it is a magic sequence of keystrokes
    that the phone's firmware uses to bring up "hidden" features. About a
    one-second delay between keystrokes is enough to have it not recognized.
  6. John

    John Guest

    That sequence apparently does not work on the newer .40 firmware. Like
    Louise said, and I confirmed, there's no way. Maybe Verizon crippled that
    approach.

    "CharlesH" <hoch@exemplary.invalid> wrote in message
    news:1Pige.1363$Y81.947@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
    > CharlesH wrote:
    > > Louise wrote:
    > >
    > >> In article <1115774667.574736.171200@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
    > >> clouston@sprynet.com says...
    > >>
    > >>> Louise wrote:
    > >>>
    > >>>> In the Moto 710 - how do you get to the information which shows the
    > >>>> real
    > >>>> signal strength (not just the bars) and the signal to noise ratio?
    > >>>>
    > >>>> TIA
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Louise
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>> Menu 0,7,3,8,8,7,*
    > >>> Secur Code - 000000
    > >>> Scroll to test mode and enable
    > >>> Menu then left soft key toggles test mode on and off
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> I hit the menu key (top middle key)
    > >> I got all the icons for contacts, get it now, messaging etc.
    > >> I tried to punch in 0 7 3 8 8 7 * nothing happened
    > >> I tried it again and hit ok - it tried to dial the "number"
    > >>
    > >> What am I doing wrong?
    > >>
    > >> Thanks again.
    > >>
    > >> Louise

    > >
    > > Speed is the key to get it to accept this code. No pauses between
    > > keystrokes. And you have to start in the main menu.
    > >
    > > ##DEBUG (##33284) is a faster way to enable/disable testmode, rather
    > > than going through extended setup as described above (73887 = SETUP).
    > > The G(4) will not show if you did it fast enough.

    >
    > Do exactly the keypresses specified; no more. Do not hit OK, do not hit
    > the Send button (phone with lifted handset), or anything else. This is
    > not a phone number being dialed; it is a magic sequence of keystrokes
    > that the phone's firmware uses to bring up "hidden" features. About a
    > one-second delay between keystrokes is enough to have it not recognized.
  7. Louise

    Louise Guest

    In article <53uge.22994$RG2.22144@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, Me@myhome.net
    says...
    > That sequence apparently does not work on the newer .40 firmware. Like
    > Louise said, and I confirmed, there's no way. Maybe Verizon crippled that
    > approach.
    >
    > "CharlesH" <hoch@exemplary.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:1Pige.1363$Y81.947@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
    > > CharlesH wrote:
    > > > Louise wrote:
    > > >
    > > >> In article <1115774667.574736.171200@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
    > > >> clouston@sprynet.com says...
    > > >>
    > > >>> Louise wrote:
    > > >>>
    > > >>>> In the Moto 710 - how do you get to the information which shows the
    > > >>>> real
    > > >>>> signal strength (not just the bars) and the signal to noise ratio?
    > > >>>>
    > > >>>> TIA
    > > >>>>
    > > >>>> Louise
    > > >>>
    > > >>>
    > > >>> Menu 0,7,3,8,8,7,*
    > > >>> Secur Code - 000000
    > > >>> Scroll to test mode and enable
    > > >>> Menu then left soft key toggles test mode on and off
    > > >>
    > > >>
    > > >> I hit the menu key (top middle key)
    > > >> I got all the icons for contacts, get it now, messaging etc.
    > > >> I tried to punch in 0 7 3 8 8 7 * nothing happened
    > > >> I tried it again and hit ok - it tried to dial the "number"
    > > >>
    > > >> What am I doing wrong?
    > > >>
    > > >> Thanks again.
    > > >>
    > > >> Louise
    > > >
    > > > Speed is the key to get it to accept this code. No pauses between
    > > > keystrokes. And you have to start in the main menu.
    > > >
    > > > ##DEBUG (##33284) is a faster way to enable/disable testmode, rather
    > > > than going through extended setup as described above (73887 = SETUP).
    > > > The G(4) will not show if you did it fast enough.

    > >
    > > Do exactly the keypresses specified; no more. Do not hit OK, do not hit
    > > the Send button (phone with lifted handset), or anything else. This is
    > > not a phone number being dialed; it is a magic sequence of keystrokes

    I tried the debug recommendations and when I hit the keys fast enough,
    and did some other things which I can't even remember, I did get into
    some kind of long inner menu. I couldn't find the ec/lo, nor could I
    find the signal strength and I couldn't understand all the numbers I did
    find :)

    Then - I had a lot of trouble getting back out of the menu and now I'm a
    little nervous to try it again. But hitting the keys fast and knowing
    that the 4 will not show, enabled me to get beyond the regularly
    available information.

    Louise
  8. CharlesH

    CharlesH Guest

    Louise wrote:
    > In article <53uge.22994$RG2.22144@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, Me@myhome.net
    > says...
    >
    >>That sequence apparently does not work on the newer .40 firmware. Like
    >>Louise said, and I confirmed, there's no way. Maybe Verizon crippled that
    >>approach.
    >>
    >>"CharlesH" <hoch@exemplary.invalid> wrote in message
    >>news:1Pige.1363$Y81.947@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
    >>
    >>>CharlesH wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Louise wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>In article <1115774667.574736.171200@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
    >>>>>clouston@sprynet.com says...
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>Louise wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>In the Moto 710 - how do you get to the information which shows the
    >>>>>>>real
    >>>>>>>signal strength (not just the bars) and the signal to noise ratio?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>TIA
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Louise
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Menu 0,7,3,8,8,7,*
    >>>>>>Secur Code - 000000
    >>>>>>Scroll to test mode and enable
    >>>>>>Menu then left soft key toggles test mode on and off
    >>>>>
    >>>>>I hit the menu key (top middle key)
    >>>>>I got all the icons for contacts, get it now, messaging etc.
    >>>>>I tried to punch in 0 7 3 8 8 7 * nothing happened
    >>>>>I tried it again and hit ok - it tried to dial the "number"
    >>>>>
    >>>>>What am I doing wrong?
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Thanks again.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Louise
    >>>>
    >>>>Speed is the key to get it to accept this code. No pauses between
    >>>>keystrokes. And you have to start in the main menu.
    >>>>
    >>>>##DEBUG (##33284) is a faster way to enable/disable testmode, rather
    >>>>than going through extended setup as described above (73887 = SETUP).
    >>>>The G(4) will not show if you did it fast enough.
    >>>
    >>>Do exactly the keypresses specified; no more. Do not hit OK, do not hit
    >>>the Send button (phone with lifted handset), or anything else. This is
    >>>not a phone number being dialed; it is a magic sequence of keystrokes

    >
    > I tried the debug recommendations and when I hit the keys fast enough,
    > and did some other things which I can't even remember, I did get into
    > some kind of long inner menu. I couldn't find the ec/lo, nor could I
    > find the signal strength and I couldn't understand all the numbers I did
    > find :)
    >
    > Then - I had a lot of trouble getting back out of the menu and now I'm a
    > little nervous to try it again. But hitting the keys fast and knowing
    > that the 4 will not show, enabled me to get beyond the regularly
    > available information.
    >
    > Louise


    It DOES work on 8700_01.40.OR. As Louise found out, you have to enter it
    REAL fast.

    The screen you want to look, which conveniently is where you start, at
    first is labeled "FTS" at the top, and then after a while goes to a
    screen of numbers. <MENU> <LEFT SOFT BUTTON> turns this screen on and off.

    128 110 1 15C384
    156 105 0 IDL MR
    90HN/A 00.00 0
    0 40 0X27

    128 is the P/N offset of the primary signal I am listening to. The P/N
    offset is how multiple signals are encoded on the same frequency band.

    110 is the Ec/Io (signal/noise) ratio of the primary signal. Smaller is
    better. 110 is so-so. Above 175 or so and it is unusable.

    1 is how many signals (P/N offsets) the phone is actively listening to
    ("active set"). The phone can listen to several at the same time.

    15 is the number of "neighbor" offsets. These are the ones
    geographically adjacent to the primary. A single tower may have multiple
    sectors, each with its own P/N offset. A common configuration is to have
    three 120 degree sectors on a tower. The other two on the same tower are
    included in its "neighbors", along with, say, the ones on towers a mile
    or so down the road. These are the potential places where you could get
    handed off to if you moved the phone.

    "C" means cellular band (850MHz), as opposed to "P" for PCS (1900MHz)
    band. "384" identifies which "carrier" you are on. The spectrum assigned
    to your provider (the cellular B-band, in my case) is divided into
    multiple 1.25Mhz "carriers", and all the phones using that carrier at
    that time spread their signal across that frequency range.

    "156" and "105" are the P/N offset and Ec/Io of the secondary signal my
    phone is listening to.

    "0" is the number of "candidate" P/N offsets. These are the "neighbors"
    which are the currently preferred signals which I might want to switch
    to. Unless I am in a call, the phone usually doesn't bother to maintain
    this list.

    "IDL" means that my phone is idle (not in a call), and the last
    "interesting" event was "MR" (mobile reset); that is, I hit the END
    button on my phone. "CON" means you are in a call, "REG" means that
    your phone is registering with a system. Other events other than "MR"
    indicate that system hung up on you, or you got an SMS message.

    "90" is the RSSI (Receive Signal Strength Indicator), in -dBm. Smaller
    is better. 90 is kind of mediocre, but perfectly usable. Over 102 or so,
    you can't hold a call (on this phone). 40 means you can read the FCC
    registration on the cell tower, which is a few yards away.

    I don't know about the "H"; I think it has something to do with the
    1xRTT (CDMA2000) protocol.

    "N/A" is the transmit strength. Since my phone is idle, it is Not
    Applicable, but when you are in a call, it is in +dBm (bigger = more
    transmit power). It can go from about 23 (200 milliwatts) down to -20 or
    so (10 microwatts). 20 is 100 milliwatts, 10 is 10 milliwatts, 1 is 1
    milliwatt. On CDMA, the phone is adjusting its transmit strength many
    times a second, so this is an average.

    "00.00" is the current error rate, when in a call, as a percent.

    The last "0" on the third line is the number of dropped calls since the
    phone was last powered on.

    The "0" on the bottom left used to be a timer which counted down seconds
    to when the phone would look for better system, but it doesn't seem to
    be used anymore.

    "40 0" means that I am on system ID 40, network ID 0.

    "X" means I am using the 1xRTT (CDMA-2000) version of the CDMA protocol.
    The X won't be there if you are on an older "CDMA-1" system.

    "27" is the number of calls since the last power-on.
  9. John

    John Guest

    Forgive my stupidity. Is the "main menu" you're referring to the initial
    screen with the battery, signal, etc icons along the top and RECENT, "menu"
    (horizontal lines) icon, and CONTACTS along the bottom?

    "CharlesH" <hoch@exemplary.invalid> wrote in message
    news:zMDge.16080$J12.4328@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
    > Louise wrote:
    > > In article <53uge.22994$RG2.22144@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, Me@myhome.net
    > > says...
    > >
    > >>That sequence apparently does not work on the newer .40 firmware. Like
    > >>Louise said, and I confirmed, there's no way. Maybe Verizon crippled

    that
    > >>approach.
    > >>
    > >>"CharlesH" <hoch@exemplary.invalid> wrote in message
    > >>news:1Pige.1363$Y81.947@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
    > >>
    > >>>CharlesH wrote:
    > >>>
    > >>>>Louise wrote:
    > >>>>
    > >>>>>In article <1115774667.574736.171200@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
    > >>>>>clouston@sprynet.com says...
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>>Louise wrote:
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>In the Moto 710 - how do you get to the information which shows the
    > >>>>>>>real
    > >>>>>>>signal strength (not just the bars) and the signal to noise ratio?
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>TIA
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>Louise
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>Menu 0,7,3,8,8,7,*
    > >>>>>>Secur Code - 000000
    > >>>>>>Scroll to test mode and enable
    > >>>>>>Menu then left soft key toggles test mode on and off
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>I hit the menu key (top middle key)
    > >>>>>I got all the icons for contacts, get it now, messaging etc.
    > >>>>>I tried to punch in 0 7 3 8 8 7 * nothing happened
    > >>>>>I tried it again and hit ok - it tried to dial the "number"
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>What am I doing wrong?
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>Thanks again.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>Louise
    > >>>>
    > >>>>Speed is the key to get it to accept this code. No pauses between
    > >>>>keystrokes. And you have to start in the main menu.
    > >>>>
    > >>>>##DEBUG (##33284) is a faster way to enable/disable testmode, rather
    > >>>>than going through extended setup as described above (73887 = SETUP).
    > >>>>The G(4) will not show if you did it fast enough.
    > >>>
    > >>>Do exactly the keypresses specified; no more. Do not hit OK, do not hit
    > >>>the Send button (phone with lifted handset), or anything else. This is
    > >>>not a phone number being dialed; it is a magic sequence of keystrokes

    > >
    > > I tried the debug recommendations and when I hit the keys fast enough,
    > > and did some other things which I can't even remember, I did get into
    > > some kind of long inner menu. I couldn't find the ec/lo, nor could I
    > > find the signal strength and I couldn't understand all the numbers I did
    > > find :)
    > >
    > > Then - I had a lot of trouble getting back out of the menu and now I'm a
    > > little nervous to try it again. But hitting the keys fast and knowing
    > > that the 4 will not show, enabled me to get beyond the regularly
    > > available information.
    > >
    > > Louise

    >
    > It DOES work on 8700_01.40.OR. As Louise found out, you have to enter it
    > REAL fast.
    >
    > The screen you want to look, which conveniently is where you start, at
    > first is labeled "FTS" at the top, and then after a while goes to a
    > screen of numbers. <MENU> <LEFT SOFT BUTTON> turns this screen on and off.
    >
    > 128 110 1 15C384
    > 156 105 0 IDL MR
    > 90HN/A 00.00 0
    > 0 40 0X27
    >
    > 128 is the P/N offset of the primary signal I am listening to. The P/N
    > offset is how multiple signals are encoded on the same frequency band.
    >
    > 110 is the Ec/Io (signal/noise) ratio of the primary signal. Smaller is
    > better. 110 is so-so. Above 175 or so and it is unusable.
    >
    > 1 is how many signals (P/N offsets) the phone is actively listening to
    > ("active set"). The phone can listen to several at the same time.
    >
    > 15 is the number of "neighbor" offsets. These are the ones
    > geographically adjacent to the primary. A single tower may have multiple
    > sectors, each with its own P/N offset. A common configuration is to have
    > three 120 degree sectors on a tower. The other two on the same tower are
    > included in its "neighbors", along with, say, the ones on towers a mile
    > or so down the road. These are the potential places where you could get
    > handed off to if you moved the phone.
    >
    > "C" means cellular band (850MHz), as opposed to "P" for PCS (1900MHz)
    > band. "384" identifies which "carrier" you are on. The spectrum assigned
    > to your provider (the cellular B-band, in my case) is divided into
    > multiple 1.25Mhz "carriers", and all the phones using that carrier at
    > that time spread their signal across that frequency range.
    >
    > "156" and "105" are the P/N offset and Ec/Io of the secondary signal my
    > phone is listening to.
    >
    > "0" is the number of "candidate" P/N offsets. These are the "neighbors"
    > which are the currently preferred signals which I might want to switch
    > to. Unless I am in a call, the phone usually doesn't bother to maintain
    > this list.
    >
    > "IDL" means that my phone is idle (not in a call), and the last
    > "interesting" event was "MR" (mobile reset); that is, I hit the END
    > button on my phone. "CON" means you are in a call, "REG" means that
    > your phone is registering with a system. Other events other than "MR"
    > indicate that system hung up on you, or you got an SMS message.
    >
    > "90" is the RSSI (Receive Signal Strength Indicator), in -dBm. Smaller
    > is better. 90 is kind of mediocre, but perfectly usable. Over 102 or so,
    > you can't hold a call (on this phone). 40 means you can read the FCC
    > registration on the cell tower, which is a few yards away.
    >
    > I don't know about the "H"; I think it has something to do with the
    > 1xRTT (CDMA2000) protocol.
    >
    > "N/A" is the transmit strength. Since my phone is idle, it is Not
    > Applicable, but when you are in a call, it is in +dBm (bigger = more
    > transmit power). It can go from about 23 (200 milliwatts) down to -20 or
    > so (10 microwatts). 20 is 100 milliwatts, 10 is 10 milliwatts, 1 is 1
    > milliwatt. On CDMA, the phone is adjusting its transmit strength many
    > times a second, so this is an average.
    >
    > "00.00" is the current error rate, when in a call, as a percent.
    >
    > The last "0" on the third line is the number of dropped calls since the
    > phone was last powered on.
    >
    > The "0" on the bottom left used to be a timer which counted down seconds
    > to when the phone would look for better system, but it doesn't seem to
    > be used anymore.
    >
    > "40 0" means that I am on system ID 40, network ID 0.
    >
    > "X" means I am using the 1xRTT (CDMA-2000) version of the CDMA protocol.
    > The X won't be there if you are on an older "CDMA-1" system.
    >
    > "27" is the number of calls since the last power-on.
  10. Louise

    Louise Guest

    PROBLEM Re: Moto 710 - signal strength and signal/noise?

    In article <xaNge.23774$RG2.12768@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, Me@myhome.net
    says...
    > Forgive my stupidity. Is the "main menu" you're referring to the initial
    > screen with the battery, signal, etc icons along the top and RECENT, "menu"
    > (horizontal lines) icon, and CONTACTS along the bottom?
    >
    > "CharlesH" <hoch@exemplary.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:zMDge.16080$J12.4328@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
    > > Louise wrote:
    > > > In article <53uge.22994$RG2.22144@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, Me@myhome.net
    > > > says...
    > > >
    > > >>That sequence apparently does not work on the newer .40 firmware. Like
    > > >>Louise said, and I confirmed, there's no way. Maybe Verizon crippled

    > that
    > > >>approach.
    > > >>
    > > >>"CharlesH" <hoch@exemplary.invalid> wrote in message
    > > >>news:1Pige.1363$Y81.947@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
    > > >>
    > > >>>CharlesH wrote:
    > > >>>
    > > >>>>Louise wrote:
    > > >>>>
    > > >>>>>In article <1115774667.574736.171200@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
    > > >>>>>clouston@sprynet.com says...
    > > >>>>>
    > > >>>>>
    > > >>>>>>Louise wrote:
    > > >>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>In the Moto 710 - how do you get to the information which shows the
    > > >>>>>>>real
    > > >>>>>>>signal strength (not just the bars) and the signal to noise ratio?
    > > >>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>TIA
    > > >>>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>>Louise
    > > >>>>>>
    > > >>>>>>Menu 0,7,3,8,8,7,*
    > > >>>>>>Secur Code - 000000
    > > >>>>>>Scroll to test mode and enable
    > > >>>>>>Menu then left soft key toggles test mode on and off
    > > >>>>>
    > > >>>>>I hit the menu key (top middle key)
    > > >>>>>I got all the icons for contacts, get it now, messaging etc.
    > > >>>>>I tried to punch in 0 7 3 8 8 7 * nothing happened
    > > >>>>>I tried it again and hit ok - it tried to dial the "number"
    > > >>>>>
    > > >>>>>What am I doing wrong?
    > > >>>>>
    > > >>>>>Thanks again.
    > > >>>>>

    A few days ago I followed these instructions and got into the menu but
    then realized I didn't understand what the numbers meant -- and -- that
    I didn't know how to get out of it!

    At that time I hit a few keys, clear, left soft key etc. Eventually I
    got out of it but I didn't know how and was afraid to go back in.

    This morning I missed a call -- the phone never rang when it clearly
    should have.

    This afternoon, for completely unknown reasons, I opened my phone and
    discovered that it was in some weird code screen that looked a little
    like what I had gotten that other time. On top for a moment, it said
    FTS.

    I was never able to get out of this screen even after I removed the
    battery and left it out for an hour. Telephone tech support told me
    that they couldn't help me fix it over the phone and that I should bring
    it to the store and it would be replaced because clearly the software
    was faulty.

    Tonight I spent another hour at Verizon and I have a new V710. However,
    they felt they couldn't get me out of the menu and they didn't know how
    the phone got into the menu. So, they wouldn't transfer over my
    contacts because they feared that there was some fault in the software
    :)

    So here I am with a new 710 and I'm going to have to enter all of my
    contacts again.

    It really isn't clear to me what happened because when I did it, it was
    about two days ago and this suddenly happened this afternoon for no
    known reason. In between, the phone worked flawlessly.

    I would however suggest that you find out how to get out of this menu
    before you go into it. Perhaps, I didn't get out of it properly and it
    caused problems two days later? I know that seems very strange.

    Louise
  11. Re: PROBLEM Re: Moto 710 - signal strength and signal/noise?

    On Fri, 13 May 2005 03:02:59 GMT, Louise <none@nospam.com> wrote:

    >A few days ago I followed these instructions and got into the menu but
    >then realized I didn't understand what the numbers meant -- and -- that
    >I didn't know how to get out of it!
    >
    >At that time I hit a few keys, clear, left soft key etc. Eventually I
    >got out of it but I didn't know how and was afraid to go back in.
    >
    >This morning I missed a call -- the phone never rang when it clearly
    >should have.
    >
    >This afternoon, for completely unknown reasons, I opened my phone and
    >discovered that it was in some weird code screen that looked a little
    >like what I had gotten that other time. On top for a moment, it said
    >FTS.
    >
    >I was never able to get out of this screen even after I removed the
    >battery and left it out for an hour. Telephone tech support told me
    >that they couldn't help me fix it over the phone and that I should bring
    >it to the store and it would be replaced because clearly the software
    >was faulty.
    >
    >Tonight I spent another hour at Verizon and I have a new V710. However,
    >they felt they couldn't get me out of the menu and they didn't know how
    >the phone got into the menu. So, they wouldn't transfer over my
    >contacts because they feared that there was some fault in the software
    >:)
    >
    >So here I am with a new 710 and I'm going to have to enter all of my
    >contacts again.
    >
    >It really isn't clear to me what happened because when I did it, it was
    >about two days ago and this suddenly happened this afternoon for no
    >known reason. In between, the phone worked flawlessly.
    >
    >I would however suggest that you find out how to get out of this menu
    >before you go into it. Perhaps, I didn't get out of it properly and it
    >caused problems two days later? I know that seems very strange.
    >
    >Louise


    Louise: Unlike the LG phones, with Motorola phones you have to
    actually turn the test mode OFF. Yeah, I know that sounds stupid, but
    remember that Motorola is a very engineer centric company.

    I ran into the same problem with a friends Motorola phone. I my case,
    we were playing with the GPS functions. I forgot to turn the test
    mode off and he no longer received calls.

    Go through the same sequence again, but this time turn off the test
    mode. Everything will return to normal.

    I still think it's a pain that you have to be nimble with the fingers
    to get to the hidden functions on those phones. They give you like
    1/10th of a second to hit the right combination. :/

    Regards, - Sandy
  12. CharlesH

    CharlesH Guest

    Re: PROBLEM Re: Moto 710 - signal strength and signal/noise?

    Louise wrote:
    > In article <xaNge.23774$RG2.12768@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, Me@myhome.net
    > says...
    >
    >>Forgive my stupidity. Is the "main menu" you're referring to the initial
    >>screen with the battery, signal, etc icons along the top and RECENT, "menu"
    >>(horizontal lines) icon, and CONTACTS along the bottom?
    >>
    >>"CharlesH" <hoch@exemplary.invalid> wrote in message
    >>news:zMDge.16080$J12.4328@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
    >>
    >>>Louise wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>In article <53uge.22994$RG2.22144@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, Me@myhome.net
    >>>>says...
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>That sequence apparently does not work on the newer .40 firmware. Like
    >>>>>Louise said, and I confirmed, there's no way. Maybe Verizon crippled

    >>
    >>that
    >>
    >>>>>approach.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>"CharlesH" <hoch@exemplary.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>>news:1Pige.1363$Y81.947@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>CharlesH wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Louise wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>In article <1115774667.574736.171200@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
    >>>>>>>>clouston@sprynet.com says...
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Louise wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>In the Moto 710 - how do you get to the information which shows the
    >>>>>>>>>>real
    >>>>>>>>>>signal strength (not just the bars) and the signal to noise ratio?
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>TIA
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>Louise
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Menu 0,7,3,8,8,7,*
    >>>>>>>>>Secur Code - 000000
    >>>>>>>>>Scroll to test mode and enable
    >>>>>>>>>Menu then left soft key toggles test mode on and off
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>I hit the menu key (top middle key)
    >>>>>>>>I got all the icons for contacts, get it now, messaging etc.
    >>>>>>>>I tried to punch in 0 7 3 8 8 7 * nothing happened
    >>>>>>>>I tried it again and hit ok - it tried to dial the "number"
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>What am I doing wrong?
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Thanks again.
    >>>>>>>>

    >
    > A few days ago I followed these instructions and got into the menu but
    > then realized I didn't understand what the numbers meant -- and -- that
    > I didn't know how to get out of it!
    >
    > At that time I hit a few keys, clear, left soft key etc. Eventually I
    > got out of it but I didn't know how and was afraid to go back in.
    >
    > This morning I missed a call -- the phone never rang when it clearly
    > should have.
    >
    > This afternoon, for completely unknown reasons, I opened my phone and
    > discovered that it was in some weird code screen that looked a little
    > like what I had gotten that other time. On top for a moment, it said
    > FTS.
    >
    > I was never able to get out of this screen even after I removed the
    > battery and left it out for an hour. Telephone tech support told me
    > that they couldn't help me fix it over the phone and that I should bring
    > it to the store and it would be replaced because clearly the software
    > was faulty.
    >
    > Tonight I spent another hour at Verizon and I have a new V710. However,
    > they felt they couldn't get me out of the menu and they didn't know how
    > the phone got into the menu. So, they wouldn't transfer over my
    > contacts because they feared that there was some fault in the software
    > :)
    >
    > So here I am with a new 710 and I'm going to have to enter all of my
    > contacts again.
    >
    > It really isn't clear to me what happened because when I did it, it was
    > about two days ago and this suddenly happened this afternoon for no
    > known reason. In between, the phone worked flawlessly.
    >
    > I would however suggest that you find out how to get out of this menu
    > before you go into it. Perhaps, I didn't get out of it properly and it
    > caused problems two days later? I know that seems very strange.
    >
    > Louise


    Sorry you are having so much trouble with this. The Main Menu I am
    referring to is the one with the bars and battery on top, the 4 icons
    which you can navigate to with the 4-way toggle with OK in the middle,
    and RECENT and CONTACTS on the soft keys at the bottom. (Hmmm... I seem
    to recall that when first I got the phone, the four icons were hidden,
    and I had to "unhide" them in one of the standard setup menus.)

    When you are in the diagnostic status menu, you get out the same way you
    got in: <MENU>, then <LEFT SOFT KEY>. The <MENU> button is between the
    buttons with the dots, and has a couple of horizontal lines printed on
    it. In this context, <LEFT SOFT KEY> (the top left button with the dot
    on it) will be labeled "PREV". To disable the diagnostic menu
    completely (so <MENU><LEFT SOFT KEY> has no magic effect), reenter the
    magic sequence which enabled it: "##DEBUG", when you are in the normal
    main menu (described above). As you found out, powering off or removing
    the battery does not get you out of the diagnostic menu.
  13. Quick

    Quick Guest

    Re: PROBLEM Re: Moto 710 - signal strength and signal/noise?

    Sandy A. Nicolaysen wrote:
    >
    > I ran into the same problem with a friends Motorola
    > phone. I my case, we were playing with the GPS
    > functions. I forgot to turn the test mode off and he no
    > longer received calls.
    >
    > I still think it's a pain that you have to be nimble with
    > the fingers to get to the hidden functions on those
    > phones. They give you like 1/10th of a second to hit the
    > right combination. :/


    Exactly... That's why they don't put it on the main menu.
    All the wanna-be techno nerds are going to get in there,
    shoot themselves in the foot and then complain that it's
    the manufacturer's fault for letting them do it...

    -Quick
  14. Re: PROBLEM Re: Moto 710 - signal strength and signal/noise?

    On Fri, 13 May 2005 09:31:11 -0700, "Quick"
    <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:

    >Sandy A. Nicolaysen wrote:
    >>
    >> I ran into the same problem with a friends Motorola
    >> phone. I my case, we were playing with the GPS
    >> functions. I forgot to turn the test mode off and he no
    >> longer received calls.
    >>
    >> I still think it's a pain that you have to be nimble with
    >> the fingers to get to the hidden functions on those
    >> phones. They give you like 1/10th of a second to hit the
    >> right combination. :/

    >
    >Exactly... That's why they don't put it on the main menu.
    >All the wanna-be techno nerds are going to get in there,
    >shoot themselves in the foot and then complain that it's
    >the manufacturer's fault for letting them do it...
    >
    >-Quick
    >

    You know, you really DO have a good point there. Even on a LG phone
    it is easy to really f-up the thing if you don't know what you are
    doing. My assumption when posting here is that we are NOT the general
    public and won't do something stupid. But then there is no test to
    allow you to read/post to this newsgroup. Follow hints posted here
    with care! :)

    Regards, - Sandy
  15. Quick

    Quick Guest

    Re: PROBLEM Re: Moto 710 - signal strength and signal/noise?

    Sandy A. Nicolaysen wrote:
    > On Fri, 13 May 2005 09:31:11 -0700, "Quick"
    > <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
    >
    >> Sandy A. Nicolaysen wrote:
    >>>
    >>> I ran into the same problem with a friends Motorola
    >>> phone. I my case, we were playing with the GPS
    >>> functions. I forgot to turn the test mode off and he no
    >>> longer received calls.
    >>>
    >>> I still think it's a pain that you have to be nimble
    >>> with the fingers to get to the hidden functions on those
    >>> phones. They give you like 1/10th of a second to hit
    >>> the right combination. :/

    >>
    >> Exactly... That's why they don't put it on the main menu.
    >> All the wanna-be techno nerds are going to get in there,
    >> shoot themselves in the foot and then complain that it's
    >> the manufacturer's fault for letting them do it...
    >>
    >> -Quick
    >>

    > You know, you really DO have a good point there. Even on
    > a LG phone it is easy to really f-up the thing if you
    > don't know what you are doing. My assumption when
    > posting here is that we are NOT the general public and
    > won't do something stupid. But then there is no test to
    > allow you to read/post to this newsgroup. Follow hints
    > posted here with care! :)


    Well, most everybody has a PC now and is online. I'd say
    this group may not be too far off from being representative
    of the general public user.

    -Quick
  16. Louise

    Louise Guest

    Re: PROBLEM Re: Moto 710 - signal strength and signal/noise?

    In article <1116044436.422287@sj-nntpcache-5>, quick7135-
    news@NOSPAMyahoo.com says...
    > Sandy A. Nicolaysen wrote:
    > > On Fri, 13 May 2005 09:31:11 -0700, "Quick"
    > > <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
    > >
    > >> Sandy A. Nicolaysen wrote:
    > >>>
    > >>> I ran into the same problem with a friends Motorola
    > >>> phone. I my case, we were playing with the GPS
    > >>> functions. I forgot to turn the test mode off and he no
    > >>> longer received calls.
    > >>>
    > >>> I still think it's a pain that you have to be nimble
    > >>> with the fingers to get to the hidden functions on those
    > >>> phones. They give you like 1/10th of a second to hit
    > >>> the right combination. :/
    > >>
    > >> Exactly... That's why they don't put it on the main menu.
    > >> All the wanna-be techno nerds are going to get in there,
    > >> shoot themselves in the foot and then complain that it's
    > >> the manufacturer's fault for letting them do it...
    > >>
    > >> -Quick
    > >>

    > > You know, you really DO have a good point there. Even on
    > > a LG phone it is easy to really f-up the thing if you
    > > don't know what you are doing. My assumption when
    > > posting here is that we are NOT the general public and
    > > won't do something stupid. But then there is no test to
    > > allow you to read/post to this newsgroup. Follow hints
    > > posted here with care! :)

    >
    > Well, most everybody has a PC now and is online. I'd say
    > this group may not be too far off from being representative
    > of the general public user.
    >
    > -Quick
    >
    >
    >

    That's probably not true. I'm always telling people to go to a
    newsgroup to find out some information about something they're
    interested in. They look confused and some say "you mean a
    chatroom???".

    Nevertheless, I am one of those who, this time, did mess up my phone by
    not knowing enough when I started messing with it. However, that's how
    you learn.

    For me, in this case, I've learned that I'll do without knowing the
    signal strength etc. rather than risk making that much of a mess on the
    Moto 710. I did it on my LG without problems - but LG's a lot more user
    friendly.

    Louise

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