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Motorola v60s and 1x/high-speed Internet access?

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Ethan Shayne, Jan 6, 2004.

  1. Bill Radio

    Bill Radio Guest

    My favorite source for the cable is the Nextel store! They sell for $20
    ($30 for serial cable), and are the same as the i90 cable. And yes, if the
    phone starts saying "low battery", I also plug in the charger and continue
    to use the phone, online, continuously.

    Bill Radio
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    "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.org> wrote in message
    news:9eo1005lj4p330ltmeflanbpmu6opso34l@Pern.rk...
    > On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 03:26:18 GMT, "tgw" </dev/null@spam.com> posted to
    > alt.cellular.verizon:
    >
    > >I'm using my eforcity cable as we "speak" connected to a PC as a modem.

    It
    > >is also charging -- no misrepresentation here!

    >
    > Same with the Motorola cable.



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  2. Peter Pan

    Peter Pan Guest

    "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.org> wrote in message
    news:34o100p3srobjeth95i2eab5o12mqe3nc0@Pern.rk...
    > On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 20:46:43 -0800, "Peter Pan"
    > <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> posted to alt.cellular.verizon:
    >
    > >While those (and any others I've heard of) are cables that let you charge
    > >when connected to a pc, there are none that allow you to charge while you
    > >are using the phone online.

    >
    > What, exactly, do you mean by "online"? My cable allows me to charge
    > my phone whenever the charger is powered, whether the USB end of the
    > cable is connected to a computer or not. And I can make a call,
    > connect to the internet with the phone's browser, transfer things
    > to/from the computer or get online using the phone as a modem for the
    > computer while the charger is powered and charging the battery.


    Some cables claim they charge the battery while the phone is online, but in
    actuality only charge the battery when the phone is not online (ie making a
    call). One of my friends has unlimited express and uses a cell phone with a
    security alarm at a remote location and wants to be connected 24/7. The
    problem is that his battery keeps dying, and the cables he has tried have
    all not charged when the phone was actually online (ie hit end and the
    charger works, hit send and it stops charging until you hit end). Most
    people aren't online for more than a few hours at a time and the battery can
    handle that, but the problem for him is that he wants to be online longer
    than the batteries talk time, and having a charger not actually charge when
    the phone is online is a problem. Most people think that chargers will
    charge if they are plugged in, but there seems to be something strange about
    the phones that will not allow it to charge when calling/online. I'm
    wondering if there is some electrical reason why both can't be active at the
    same time. Any ideas?
  3. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:56:29 -0800, "Peter Pan"
    <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> posted to alt.cellular.verizon:

    >Some cables claim they charge the battery while the phone is online, but in
    >actuality only charge the battery when the phone is not online (ie making a
    >call). One of my friends has unlimited express and uses a cell phone with a
    >security alarm at a remote location and wants to be connected 24/7. The
    >problem is that his battery keeps dying, and the cables he has tried have
    >all not charged when the phone was actually online (ie hit end and the
    >charger works, hit send and it stops charging until you hit end). Most
    >people aren't online for more than a few hours at a time and the battery can
    >handle that, but the problem for him is that he wants to be online longer
    >than the batteries talk time, and having a charger not actually charge when
    >the phone is online is a problem. Most people think that chargers will
    >charge if they are plugged in, but there seems to be something strange about
    >the phones that will not allow it to charge when calling/online. I'm
    >wondering if there is some electrical reason why both can't be active at the
    >same time. Any ideas?


    As I said in another post, most of the little wall pigs that come with
    phones can't charge the phone at as much current as the phone is using
    when online, so the phone gets some of its power from the battery.
    Eventually the battery dies. A higher current charger would solve
    that problem, but you'd have to measure the actual current drain from
    the battery (with no charger connected) to know the minimum amount of
    current the charger would have to be able to supply.

    And you can't keep a phone going if you're charging from the USB port.
    Those cables are just data cables with hype. Just look at the max
    current availability of most USB ports.

    A phone with a 900 mAh battery, with about 2 hours talk time, draws
    450 mA. My V60P wall wart puts out, if you believe the label, 375 mA.
    So the phone is drawing 75 ma/hour from the battery with the charger
    connected. At least.

    If the talk time is 1.5 hours, the draw is 600 mAh, so the phone would
    draw at least 225 mA from the battery. That would give you at most 4
    hours online time with the charger connected. That's about how long a
    V60P battery lasts online. So the battery IS being charged. Or,
    rather, the phone is drawing 375 mA from the charger and only 225 mA
    from the battery (as opposed to 600 mA from the battery with no
    charger). To stay online indefinitely would require a charger that
    could put out at least 600 mA.
  4. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:40:22 -0800, "Peter Pan"
    <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> posted to alt.cellular.verizon:

    >Thanks, thats good to know, cuz with a v60p that cable wouldn't charge when
    >online (one of our friends has unlimited express and leaves it connected all
    >day, but the battery keeps dying), so i've been looking for one that
    >actually does it. :)


    If the charger can't supply the amount of current the phone is using,
    the battery will die eventually. The charger supplied with the V60P
    is in that class - it can't keep a transmitting phone's battery
    charged. All it can do is extend the amount of time the phone can be
    used.

    Easy solution, unless you're downloading the Library of Congress in
    one file:

    Two batteries and a SPN4998A (or equivalent) desktop charger, with a
    separate wall pig. Keep the phone running, with the charger
    connected. When the battery dies, switch batteries and charge the
    dead one in the desktop charger. The battery will charge faster than
    it will take the one in use to die - not by much, but by enough to
    keep running.

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