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my vzw store update........

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by brian s., Sep 4, 2003.

  1. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:07:59 GMT, Dan Pendragon
    <pendragon@poydras.com> wrote:

    >bert@ernie.net wrote:
    >
    >> And now with new nationwide software link, we can
    >> >>just run an esn scan to see who was the origonal purchaser of ANY esn and
    >> >>see how long and how many calls were placed with that esn.

    >
    >Good reason not to use Verizon if they provide that degree of customer
    >privacy.


    Our experience, right here on this very newsgroup, is that if any VZW
    employee goes above and beyond to actually HELP the customers, above
    his exact job description, they FIRE HIM to hire one of "these".
    Excessively large corporations seem to gravitate towards these stupid
    decisions quite readily. Some guys on here were fired when the
    Verizon Goonsquad at HR found out who they were giving out good
    information to this newsgroup.

    I think they should have been promoted to CS management.....

    Telecom is what started the Dilbert comic strip, you know.....(c;



    Larry W4CSC

    "Very funny, Scotty! Now, BEAM ME MY CLOTHES! KIRK OUT!"



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  2. Larry W4CSC <nospam@home.com> wrote:

    > Our experience, right here on this very newsgroup, is that if any VZW
    > employee goes above and beyond to actually HELP the customers, above
    > his exact job description, they FIRE HIM to hire one of "these".


    I know of exactly two ex-VZW employees who were fired for posting here. One
    of them (Ryan) was fired not for posting here in general, but for disseminating
    information that wasn't supposed to be made public. He admitted that later,
    basically saying "I screwed up, and I know it."

    Don't recall what happened to Ross.

    So if you're going to post stuff like this, please post the entire story.

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  3. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    I'm just wondering.....Are you being paid by the company to defend
    them? You sound like someone on the payroll, more and more, each
    week....



    On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:31:22 -0600, Steven J Sobol
    <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:

    >Larry W4CSC <nospam@home.com> wrote:
    >
    >> Our experience, right here on this very newsgroup, is that if any VZW
    >> employee goes above and beyond to actually HELP the customers, above
    >> his exact job description, they FIRE HIM to hire one of "these".

    >
    >I know of exactly two ex-VZW employees who were fired for posting here. One
    >of them (Ryan) was fired not for posting here in general, but for disseminating
    >information that wasn't supposed to be made public. He admitted that later,
    >basically saying "I screwed up, and I know it."
    >
    >Don't recall what happened to Ross.
    >
    >So if you're going to post stuff like this, please post the entire story.
    >
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    Larry W4CSC

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  4. Larry W4CSC <nospam@home.com> wrote:
    > I'm just wondering.....Are you being paid by the company to defend
    > them? You sound like someone on the payroll, more and more, each
    > week....


    Hm. Are you on Alltel's payroll?

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  5. Larry W4CSC <nospam@home.com> wrote:
    > I'm just wondering.....Are you being paid by the company to defend
    > them? You sound like someone on the payroll, more and more, each
    > week....


    Actually, Mr. Red Herring, if you check my posting history you'll see
    that I have come down on VZW in situations where it's warranted.

    But if you want to be an asshole just because you don't feel like answering
    questions that are asked of you, that's fine. You're not bugging me with your
    attempts at insults.


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  6. David S

    David S Guest

    On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:54:29 GMT, nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) chose to
    add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

    >On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:31:22 -0600, Steven J Sobol
    ><sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:
    >
    >>Larry W4CSC <nospam@home.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Our experience, right here on this very newsgroup, is that if any VZW
    >>> employee goes above and beyond to actually HELP the customers, above
    >>> his exact job description, they FIRE HIM to hire one of "these".

    >>
    >>I know of exactly two ex-VZW employees who were fired for posting here. One
    >>of them (Ryan) was fired not for posting here in general, but for disseminating
    >>information that wasn't supposed to be made public. He admitted that later,
    >>basically saying "I screwed up, and I know it."
    >>
    >>Don't recall what happened to Ross.
    >>
    >>So if you're going to post stuff like this, please post the entire story.

    >
    >I'm just wondering.....Are you being paid by the company to defend
    >them? You sound like someone on the payroll, more and more, each
    >week....


    It's my experience that Steven is perfectly happy to blast VZW when he
    feels they deserve it, but that he wants to be fair and accurate and only
    blast them for specific incidents, whereas you just generally dump crap on
    them every chance you get (i.e., in response to almost every new thread in
    the group). Obviously, he's a democrat and you're a republican.

    Maybe we should turn the accusation back at you and ask: Which one is it,
    Nextel, Sprint, Alltell, or Cingular, that is paying you to sit in this
    group and be a troll?

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    And that's exhausting." - comedienne Ellen DeGeneres, in an interview with
    Sam Donaldson on ABCNEWS.com, on the consequences of coming out as a
    lesbian in real life and on the NBC [sic] sitcom 'Ellen'
  7. About Dakota

    About Dakota Guest

    > It's my experience that Steven is perfectly happy to blast VZW when he
    > feels they deserve it, but that he wants to be fair and accurate and only
    > blast them for specific incidents, whereas you just generally dump crap on
    > them every chance you get (i.e., in response to almost every new thread in
    > the group). Obviously, he's a democrat and you're a republican.


    Odd. I thought it was the republicans who were for large corporations
    and democrats for the Joe Blow who has to pay $5400 to get a phone line
    installed in his farm...

    > Maybe we should turn the accusation back at you and ask: Which one is it,
    > Nextel, Sprint, Alltell, or Cingular, that is paying you to sit in this
    > group and be a troll?
    >


    Maybe it's the fact that VZW doesn't give a rat's a$$ about rural
    customers. I've lived under a VZ/VZW monopoly. In fact, where we lived
    it was cheaper to get a phone from Canada and roam on Verizon Wireless
    than it was to use Verizon Wireless directly. Only recently did that
    change. Meanwhile, 60 miles south, customers were enjoying unlimited
    nights and weekend, US toll free calls, more than 120 peak minutes...

    I will admit, VZW does have good service in many locations, but the
    American West, and rural areas are usually not those good service locations.

    One thing that I can point out on a US highway is a 65 mile dead zone
    for VZW. That highway is a major route for the area.

    Larry is just pointing out that in the Carolinas, much like the Dakotas,
    VZW just isn't the best in those areas.

    And for SPCS, T-Mobile, Cingular, AT&T, VZW, US Cellular, and Western
    Wireless/Cellular One West, they are holding spectrum with no apparent
    plans to build out and it is preventing other companies from taking on
    rural coverage. I know many people that are lobbying to the FCC to
    revoke those unused licenses (mostly PCS, but some cellular licenses
    remained unused).

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  8. Quick

    Quick Guest

    "About Dakota" <aboutdakota@REMOVEMEhotmail.com> wrote

    > Maybe it's the fact that VZW doesn't give a rat's a$$ about rural
    > customers. I've lived under a VZ/VZW monopoly. In fact, where we lived
    > it was cheaper to get a phone from Canada and roam on Verizon Wireless
    > than it was to use Verizon Wireless directly. Only recently did that
    > change. Meanwhile, 60 miles south, customers were enjoying unlimited
    > nights and weekend, US toll free calls, more than 120 peak minutes...
    >
    > I will admit, VZW does have good service in many locations, but the
    > American West, and rural areas are usually not those good service

    locations.

    This may well be true but its not a point to rant about. Its simply
    business. Many rural areas lost service when they deregulated the
    airlines. Not cost effective. The cell providers are not regulated
    with respect to providing service or the tariffs for those services
    provided.

    -Quick
  9. AL

    AL Guest

    But gee whiz, the can you hear me now man is out in the middle of a
    cornfield... you mean there's no service there and he talking to himself or
    like a little child play pretending to talk to someone. :() I'm shocked.
    Actually someone ought to report them to the Federal Trade Commission for
    false advertising.

    Unfortunately, the perception people have about Verizon is that they have
    great coverage, but the reality is actual service is not that great and they
    don't provide it to most places in America. Heck one main road traversing
    Kentucky is not covered at all. And they really don't care about rural
    areas...

    It comes down to well we don't have any customers there, so why provide
    service... the reason there are no customers is because they don't have
    service.

    I think all these licenses that are unbuilt, not in use, or fully covering
    an area need to be revoked and re-issued to someone who will build towers
    and use the license. And I live in an area with cornfields all around, but
    verizon has a poor coverage and a we don't give a damn attitude. I'm waiting
    for November 24th, but I really on have two choices, VZW and Cingular, but I
    thing Cingular deserves a chance after four years of crap with verizon. The
    saddest thing is the perception of many people is that Verizon is the best,
    and they may well be in the city, but elsewhere they are the pits.

    AL

    "About Dakota" <aboutdakota@REMOVEMEhotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:3FB1427B.5020902@REMOVEMEhotmail.com...
    > Maybe it's the fact that VZW doesn't give a rat's a$$ about rural
    > customers. I've lived under a VZ/VZW monopoly. In fact, where we lived
    > it was cheaper to get a phone from Canada and roam on Verizon Wireless
    > than it was to use Verizon Wireless directly. Only recently did that
    > change. Meanwhile, 60 miles south, customers were enjoying unlimited
    > nights and weekend, US toll free calls, more than 120 peak minutes...
    >
    > I will admit, VZW does have good service in many locations, but the
    > American West, and rural areas are usually not those good service

    locations.
    >
    > One thing that I can point out on a US highway is a 65 mile dead zone
    > for VZW. That highway is a major route for the area.
    >
    > Larry is just pointing out that in the Carolinas, much like the Dakotas,
    > VZW just isn't the best in those areas.
    >
    > And for SPCS, T-Mobile, Cingular, AT&T, VZW, US Cellular, and Western
    > Wireless/Cellular One West, they are holding spectrum with no apparent
    > plans to build out and it is preventing other companies from taking on
    > rural coverage. I know many people that are lobbying to the FCC to
    > revoke those unused licenses (mostly PCS, but some cellular licenses
    > remained unused).
    >
    > AD
    >
  10. Quick

    Quick Guest

    "AL" <al145 @ delete.hotmail.com> wrote
    > But gee whiz, the can you hear me now man is out in the middle of a
    > cornfield... you mean there's no service there and he talking to himself

    or
    > like a little child play pretending to talk to someone. :() I'm shocked.
    > Actually someone ought to report them to the Federal Trade Commission for
    > false advertising.


    Uhhh, do you believe those ads with the 5yr old doing slam dunks
    while wearing the very latest cool tennis shoes? Do you really think
    the cool aid pitcher is alive and playing in some kids backyard right
    now? I'm sure VZW has coverage in *some* cornfield, just not
    yours... good luck.

    > Unfortunately, the perception people have about Verizon is that they have
    > great coverage,


    So everybody else is an idiot that believes the cool aid pitcher is real?
    And some how you are one of the very few that has seen through
    the lie?

    > but the reality is actual service is not that great and they
    > don't provide it to most places in America. Heck one main road traversing
    > Kentucky is not covered at all. And they really don't care about rural
    > areas...


    Providing service to most places in America is not the claim. VZW claims
    it provides service to *more* places than any other provider.

    > It comes down to well we don't have any customers there, so why provide
    > service... the reason there are no customers is because they don't have
    > service.


    What's your point? Are you saying that VZW is completely baffled as
    to why they have no customers where they don't have coverage? Do
    you think they should provide coverage where they don't think they
    can get a positive return on their investment?

    I'm really not defending VZW. Substitute any other carrier for VZW.
    I just don't see logic or understand your claim.

    > I think all these licenses that are unbuilt, not in use, or fully covering
    > an area need to be revoked and re-issued to someone who will build towers
    > and use the license.


    NOW *this* may be a very good idea.

    > And I live in an area with cornfields all around, but
    > verizon has a poor coverage and a we don't give a damn attitude. I'm

    waiting
    > for November 24th, but I really on have two choices, VZW and Cingular, but

    I
    > thing Cingular deserves a chance after four years of crap with verizon.


    The competitive market is a very good thing. You actually have 3 choices.
    You forgot that its your perogative not to purchase service at all.

    > The saddest thing is the perception of many people is that Verizon is
    > the best, and they may well be in the city, but elsewhere they are the

    pits.

    again... start over above

    -Quick

    > AL
    >
    > "About Dakota" <aboutdakota@REMOVEMEhotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:3FB1427B.5020902@REMOVEMEhotmail.com...
    > > Maybe it's the fact that VZW doesn't give a rat's a$$ about rural
    > > customers. I've lived under a VZ/VZW monopoly. In fact, where we lived
    > > it was cheaper to get a phone from Canada and roam on Verizon Wireless
    > > than it was to use Verizon Wireless directly. Only recently did that
    > > change. Meanwhile, 60 miles south, customers were enjoying unlimited
    > > nights and weekend, US toll free calls, more than 120 peak minutes...
    > >
    > > I will admit, VZW does have good service in many locations, but the
    > > American West, and rural areas are usually not those good service

    > locations.
    > >
    > > One thing that I can point out on a US highway is a 65 mile dead zone
    > > for VZW. That highway is a major route for the area.
    > >
    > > Larry is just pointing out that in the Carolinas, much like the Dakotas,
    > > VZW just isn't the best in those areas.
    > >
    > > And for SPCS, T-Mobile, Cingular, AT&T, VZW, US Cellular, and Western
    > > Wireless/Cellular One West, they are holding spectrum with no apparent
    > > plans to build out and it is preventing other companies from taking on
    > > rural coverage. I know many people that are lobbying to the FCC to
    > > revoke those unused licenses (mostly PCS, but some cellular licenses
    > > remained unused).
    > >
    > > AD
    > >

    >
    >
  11. David S <dwstreeter@att.nut> wrote:

    > It's my experience that Steven is perfectly happy to blast VZW when he
    > feels they deserve it, but that he wants to be fair and accurate and only
    > blast them for specific incidents, whereas you just generally dump crap on
    > them every chance you get (i.e., in response to almost every new thread in
    > the group). Obviously, he's a democrat and you're a republican.


    It's funny that you say that. I've traditionally held rather left-of-
    center views (I'm not extremely liberal, but I am definitely liberal in my
    political beliefs) and I used to vote Democrat. :)

    > Maybe we should turn the accusation back at you and ask: Which one is it,
    > Nextel, Sprint, Alltell, or Cingular, that is paying you to sit in this
    > group and be a troll?


    Ahh, I did that already and I doubt he'll answer.

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  12. About Dakota <aboutdakota@removemehotmail.com> wrote:

    > Larry is just pointing out that in the Carolinas, much like the Dakotas,
    > VZW just isn't the best in those areas.


    And I'll be the first to say that he's probably right about that. I've
    TOLD people before that there is no one provider that is best EVERYWHERE.

    Since I don't live and have never lived in SC, I trust his word about who
    has good coverage and who doesn't.

    That's not my problem with him.

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  13. News Reader

    News Reader Guest

    > Providing service to most places in America is not the claim. VZW claims
    > it provides service to *more* places than any other provider.


    That's odd. I thought they were claiming only to have the largest
    customer base.
  14. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:11:39 -0600, About Dakota
    <aboutdakota@REMOVEMEhotmail.com> wrote:

    >And for SPCS, T-Mobile, Cingular, AT&T, VZW, US Cellular, and Western
    >Wireless/Cellular One West, they are holding spectrum with no apparent
    >plans to build out and it is preventing other companies from taking on
    >rural coverage. I know many people that are lobbying to the FCC to
    >revoke those unused licenses (mostly PCS, but some cellular licenses
    >remained unused).
    >

    Maybe what the FCC should do is to split up areas where the carriers,
    obviously, don't intend to provide service, like your examples and
    mine. There should be some requirement to either provide the licensed
    service the FCC intended by giving them a license...or....the license
    is revoked in the area not expediently provided infrastructure in a
    timely manner.

    This isn't a new FCC idea. Once you have a construction permit in
    hand to build a broadcast station, even a LPFM little 100W FM station,
    you have a SET PERIOD OF TIME in which to complete that construction
    and have the promised transmitter on the air. When the permit
    expires, others can get their turn to construct on that frequency.

    I used to buy into the "build out period" bullshit, but no longer.
    That period is WAY past due......



    Larry W4CSC

    "Very funny, Scotty! Now, BEAM ME MY CLOTHES! KIRK OUT!"
  15. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:22:23 -0800, "Quick" <dhorwitz@NOSPAMcisco.com>
    wrote:

    >This may well be true but its not a point to rant about. Its simply
    >business. Many rural areas lost service when they deregulated the
    >airlines. Not cost effective. The cell providers are not regulated
    >with respect to providing service or the tariffs for those services
    >provided.
    >
    >-Quick
    >

    This is not true. Cellular companies are not omnipotent. They are
    licensees who promised the FCC to provide a service to the public for
    a price over an area, for which they were given permission by the
    airwave owners (US!) to provide such a service at a fair price.

    That license can be revoked for cause at any time......such as when
    the promised service never happened, so another company can be
    licensed to provide the proffered service.

    Verizon or any of them doesn't own the frequency space they occupy.
    The American People owns the space it operates in.




    Larry W4CSC

    "Very funny, Scotty! Now, BEAM ME MY CLOTHES! KIRK OUT!"
  16. Larry W4CSC

    Larry W4CSC Guest

    On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:17:22 -0600, Steven J Sobol
    <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:

    >> Maybe we should turn the accusation back at you and ask: Which one is it,
    >> Nextel, Sprint, Alltell, or Cingular, that is paying you to sit in this
    >> group and be a troll?

    >
    >Ahh, I did that already and I doubt he'll answer.
    >

    Larry is in the electronic service business. I fix church organs,
    keyboards, home organs, PA systems, boat electronics in yachts and
    sell musical instruments and a few bell systems, on the side, for a
    few stores who'll give me a piece of the action.

    I sold a very nice Pianodisc upgrade in a 7' Baldwin grand piano
    located in a living room overlooking the Wando River basin that is
    larger than 90% of the population's entire home. I deal with very
    rich people's very expensive musical instruments who expect anything I
    work on to perform flawlessly. They are very demanding, and to those
    of us who serve them well, very generous. Customer service has served
    me very well since I started the business in 1986, fed up with working
    to make someone ELSE's money for them for a pittance.

    Possibly, my demanding nature stems from my contact with these people.
    If you sell me a product, it better damn well perform as flawlessly as
    technically possible....if you expect to get paid......JUST LIKE I
    MUST PERFORM IN MY BUSINESS.

    I couldn't work for a cellular phone company. I'm not really that
    good a liar, leaving out a car salesman or real estate career, too....



    Larry W4CSC

    "Very funny, Scotty! Now, BEAM ME MY CLOTHES! KIRK OUT!"
  17. In article <3FB1427B.5020902@REMOVEMEhotmail.com>, About Dakota wrote:

    > And for SPCS, T-Mobile, Cingular, AT&T, VZW, US Cellular, and Western
    > Wireless/Cellular One West, they are holding spectrum with no apparent
    > plans to build out and it is preventing other companies from taking on
    > rural coverage. I know many people that are lobbying to the FCC to
    > revoke those unused licenses (mostly PCS, but some cellular licenses
    > remained unused).


    If a *cellular* licensee in a given area hasn't built out any coverage 5
    years (IIRC) after the license is granted, the unserved area falls under
    "unserved area" rules which do permit another carrier to apply to serve
    the area and provide service. (A large number of such unserved areas have
    gone to a single company that doesn't sell local service and provides only
    roaming coverage for customers of other carriers, Commnet Wireless. In
    fact, Commnet's coverage -- except for the Florida Keys, which were taken
    away from AT&T by an act of Congress to resolve "irregularities" in a
    license auction a decade or so ago -- consists almost entirely of areas
    other carriers, mostly VZW and its various predecessors, never built out.)

    None of this applies to PCS licenses, which are subject to population
    buildout requirements and *not* geographic buildout requirements; the only
    way a carrier can get its hands on PCS spectrum in areas where the
    licensee hasn't built anything out is to get the licensee to sell off the
    unserved areas (partitioning/disaggregation) or "sublet"/lease spectrum in
    the unserved area, as SPCS does to most of its affiliates in most areas.
    (The FCC's rationale for not having an "unserved area" rule for PCS seems
    to be that if a carrier doesn't serve and really has no intention of
    serving a given area, the carrier has no good incentive to just sit on
    spectrum -- although practice seems to go against this rationale, such as
    AT&T's sitting on spectrum in large areas of Georgia where they've
    apparently found it cheaper to have customers roam on Cingular, PSC
    Wireless, etc. than to build out native coverage.)

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
  18. In article <eRbsb.28778$E9.24961@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>, AL wrote:

    > don't provide it to most places in America. Heck one main road traversing
    > Kentucky is not covered at all. And they really don't care about rural
    > areas...


    As far as Kentucky goes, there *IS* wireless coverage, it just isn't VZW's
    and (excluding a small amount of SPCS coverage) isn't CDMA either -- and
    every carrier other than VZW itself and SPCS either being Cingular, having
    been in bed with Cingular for years (Dobson, Bluegrass, etc.), or being
    technically inconpatible (T-Mobile, etc.) hasn't helped at all.

    Things WILL get better: VZW has acquired licenses that cover much of the
    "problem area" in eastern KY, Ramcell and Appalachian are both going CDMA
    and are now in VZW's PRLs (but are still roaming with AC) (and while
    Bluegrass hasn't said what they're doing, I fully expect them to go CDMA
    as well), and buildout deadlines for many of SPCS's unbuilt licenses in
    rural areas of KY are approaching.

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
  19. Part 2...

    In article <eRbsb.28778$E9.24961@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>, AL wrote:

    > thing Cingular deserves a chance after four years of crap with verizon. The
    > saddest thing is the perception of many people is that Verizon is the best,
    > and they may well be in the city, but elsewhere they are the pits.


    In GA, TN, and northern AL, VZW's rural coverage is head and shoulders
    above everyone else, period. There are even areas in east TN where VZW is
    the only carrier with *ANY* coverage at all!

    The bottom line is that ALL carriers, even VZW, have good markets and bad
    markets -- for instance, in east TN VZW is great and Cingular's the pits,
    while in Mobile AL personal experience says the reverse is true (Cingular
    great, VZW the pits.)

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune
  20. Larry W4CSC <nospam@home.com> wrote:
    >>> Nextel, Sprint, Alltell, or Cingular, that is paying you to sit in this
    >>> group and be a troll?

    >>
    >>Ahh, I did that already and I doubt he'll answer.
    >>

    > Larry is in the electronic service business. I fix church organs,
    > keyboards, home organs, PA systems, boat electronics in yachts and
    > sell musical instruments and a few bell systems, on the side, for a
    > few stores who'll give me a piece of the action.


    And I do programming for a living; primarily web design.

    But I'm sure I'll get asked again whether or not I'm being paid by
    VZW to voice my opinions.

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services
    22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
    Steve Sobol, Proprietor
    888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * sjsobol@JustThe.net

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