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"NationalAccess Minutes of Use"

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by Nobody, Apr 6, 2004.

  1. Dapper Dave

    Dapper Dave Guest

    >4500 <4500@no.where> wrote:

    >The MOK retails for $39.99 and includes additional software to manage
    >phonebooks. (It is also available at a discount for business
    >accounts.)
    >
    >What is the price of the FutureDial cable? Does it include the
    >additional software to manage phonebook? I'm sure it's cheaper, as
    >you said, but as far as I know it does not include any additional
    >software other than free drivers.



    The MOK does not always include additional software to manage
    phonebooks. While the MOK for my Kyocera 2235 did, the MOK for my
    Motorola T730 did not. The manual tells me to go buy some other product
    to do that. I haven't tried the software that came with the Kyocera on
    the T730.
     



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  2. Dapper Dave

    Dapper Dave Guest

    >"Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote:

    >Don wrote:
    >>> What IS the case is that people who are using NA/MOU 1XRTT tethered
    >>> data are currently exploiting this 'loophole', which isn't bad or
    >>> illegal or anything. But, be aware that this 'loophole' may be
    >>> closed in the future somehow.

    >>
    >> I keep hearing about this "loophole" that we are using which I find
    >> difficult to understand. When I signed up for my service Express
    >> Network/Minutes of Use (now called National Access) was listed at no
    >> charge on my sales slip. If Verizon had not intended it to be used
    >> that way why would it be shown as such on the sales slip?
    >>
    >> Don

    >
    >It's easy to understand if you realize that there is no loophole, and there
    >is no problem with it. Just a rant started by some paranoid/whacky people.
    >Don't believe in people making stupid claims with no support or herd
    >instinct? How many emails have you gotten from otherwise reasonable people
    >that end with something like "Send this message on to xxxx other people or
    >you will suffer from bad luck"... :)
    >


    Am I the only one who has actually asked Verizon about this in writing
    (well, via email)?


    Here is what I asked:
    "I have the Express Network unlimited plan, for which I
    pay $80/month. Over the last few months I have seen postings from
    hundreds of Americas Choice customers who are getting Express Network
    for only MOU, i.e., free on nights and weekends. I am considering
    switching to that plan for that reason. I have two questions: 1. Is it
    true that Express Network is available for only minutes of use on the
    Americas Choice plan? 2. Will it continue to be available for only
    minutes of use on the Americas Choice plan? Thanks."

    Here is what they answered:
    "NationalAccess (the new name for Express Network) does have minutes of
    use plans. This option is perfect for the customer who has a 1x
    compatible handset but will spend equal amount of time or more
    voice minutes than data minutes. This option is only available to the
    customer through the Single Rate NationalAccess Price Plans."


    Now, interpreting that response is like interpreting the Koran, but it
    seems to suggest that NA-MOU for tethered use is a loophole.

    Personally, it makes no difference to me, for obvious reasons.
     
  3. Peter Pan

    Peter Pan Guest

    Dapper Dave wrote:
    >> "Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote:

    >
    >> Don wrote:
    >>>> What IS the case is that people who are using NA/MOU 1XRTT tethered
    >>>> data are currently exploiting this 'loophole', which isn't bad or
    >>>> illegal or anything. But, be aware that this 'loophole' may be
    >>>> closed in the future somehow.
    >>>
    >>> I keep hearing about this "loophole" that we are using which I find
    >>> difficult to understand. When I signed up for my service Express
    >>> Network/Minutes of Use (now called National Access) was listed at no
    >>> charge on my sales slip. If Verizon had not intended it to be used
    >>> that way why would it be shown as such on the sales slip?
    >>>
    >>> Don

    >>
    >> It's easy to understand if you realize that there is no loophole,
    >> and there is no problem with it. Just a rant started by some
    >> paranoid/whacky people. Don't believe in people making stupid claims
    >> with no support or herd instinct? How many emails have you gotten
    >> from otherwise reasonable people that end with something like "Send
    >> this message on to xxxx other people or you will suffer from bad
    >> luck"... :)
    >>

    >
    > Am I the only one who has actually asked Verizon about this in writing
    > (well, via email)?
    >
    >
    > Here is what I asked:
    > "I have the Express Network unlimited plan, for which I
    > pay $80/month. Over the last few months I have seen postings from
    > hundreds of Americas Choice customers who are getting Express Network
    > for only MOU, i.e., free on nights and weekends. I am considering
    > switching to that plan for that reason. I have two questions: 1. Is it
    > true that Express Network is available for only minutes of use on the
    > Americas Choice plan? 2. Will it continue to be available for only
    > minutes of use on the Americas Choice plan? Thanks."
    >
    > Here is what they answered:
    > "NationalAccess (the new name for Express Network) does have minutes
    > of use plans. This option is perfect for the customer who has a 1x
    > compatible handset but will spend equal amount of time or more
    > voice minutes than data minutes. This option is only available to the
    > customer through the Single Rate NationalAccess Price Plans."
    >
    >
    > Now, interpreting that response is like interpreting the Koran, but it
    > seems to suggest that NA-MOU for tethered use is a loophole.
    >
    > Personally, it makes no difference to me, for obvious reasons.


    Actually, it fits in exactly, the NA-MOU (previously Express Network, and as
    it is called by it's effect, but not officially) is an **OPTION** to a
    current existing plan (like caller id or 3 way calling etc), while what they
    say is about a **PLAN** IE a totally different thing than an option.
    There is no official thing called NA-MOU, it is only used here as a notation
    for the effect.
    Again, the **option** is not listed on the website, and only a determined
    check by a friendly person can even find the computer code (different in
    each market) to add it to a current plan.
    While the MOK does give a warning about extra cost using it, it also
    specifically says the word **PLAN**. Again, we are talking about an
    **OPTION** (with different names in different markets).
    Just to confuse things even farther, I have a PDA with both a cellphone and
    wi-fi built in. I can access the high speed network either wirelessly, or
    over a cable.. Is it still tethered if you use it wirelessly? :)
     
  4. I bought the Radio Shack/Futurdial cable for my vx6000 recently by ordering
    it at my local Radio Shack and having it shipped to me since they were out
    of stock (free shipping if you order at a store as opposed to on their
    website). It doesn't come with any software or drivers and cost $21 plus
    tax. The picture on their website shows it to be a straight USB cable, but
    it actually is a USB/RS232 converted cable, which I didn't want. So I plan
    to return the cable and purchase a straight USB cable on eBay (same
    price--$23 after shipping, no tax) since that is the better cable for my
    vx6000. This may not be the case for the phone you use (specifically the
    vx4400 should use the USB/RS232 cable--not the straight USB). And from what
    I see on eBay, the cables for most phones are a lot cheaper than those for
    the vx6000.

    Depending on your phone you many be able to use free software to manage your
    phonebook and other areas of the phone. Check out
    http://bitpim.sourceforge.net. There's other software out there too, so ask
    if you want more info/ideas.

    Steve

    On 4/8/04 11:55 AM, in article 2c4b701up6jn3htqidq9a1antcnm8m4ngt@4ax.com,
    "4500" <4500@no.where> wrote:

    > On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 17:36:38 GMT, Traveling Man <none@none.com> wrote:
    >
    >> On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 08:29:31 -0700, Dapper Dave wrote:
    >> You can buy the FutureDial cable from RadioShack and download the driver
    >> free from the FutureDial website. A lot less $$ than the MOK.

    >
    > The MOK retails for $39.99 and includes additional software to manage
    > phonebooks. (It is also available at a discount for business
    > accounts.)
    >
    > What is the price of the FutureDial cable? Does it include the
    > additional software to manage phonebook? I'm sure it's cheaper, as
    > you said, but as far as I know it does not include any additional
    > software other than free drivers.
    >
     
  5. CharlesH

    CharlesH Guest

    In article <c54m56$2mfcr2$1@ID-190045.news.uni-berlin.de>,
    Peter Pan <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote:
    >Actually, it fits in exactly, the NA-MOU (previously Express Network, and as
    >it is called by it's effect, but not officially) is an **OPTION** to a
    >current existing plan (like caller id or 3 way calling etc), while what they
    >say is about a **PLAN** IE a totally different thing than an option.
    >There is no official thing called NA-MOU, it is only used here as a notation
    >for the effect.
    >Again, the **option** is not listed on the website, and only a determined
    >check by a friendly person can even find the computer code (different in
    >each market) to add it to a current plan.
    >While the MOK does give a warning about extra cost using it, it also
    >specifically says the word **PLAN**. Again, we are talking about an
    >**OPTION** (with different names in different markets).


    Can't speak about everywhere, but in the SF Bay Area anyway, there
    has long (>1yr, as long as there has been 1xRTT data) been a *PLAN*,
    formerly called "ExpressNetwork", now called "NationalAccess", under the
    Internet/Data Plans dropdown. It is totally equivalent to the National
    Single Rate Plan, with a "National Access" MOU *OPTION* added to it.
    It is listed along with Unlimited NationalAccess and Broadband ($79),
    and NationalAccess Megabyte.

    What is new and undocumented and the intended useage uncertain is having
    the "National Access" MOU *OPTION* on something other than NSR (on AC
    in particular).
     
  6. Peter Pan

    Peter Pan Guest

    CharlesH wrote:
    > In article <c54m56$2mfcr2$1@ID-190045.news.uni-berlin.de>,
    > Peter Pan <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote:
    >> Actually, it fits in exactly, the NA-MOU (previously Express
    >> Network, and as it is called by it's effect, but not officially) is
    >> an **OPTION** to a current existing plan (like caller id or 3 way
    >> calling etc), while what they say is about a **PLAN** IE a totally
    >> different thing than an option.
    >> There is no official thing called NA-MOU, it is only used here as a
    >> notation for the effect.
    >> Again, the **option** is not listed on the website, and only a
    >> determined check by a friendly person can even find the computer
    >> code (different in each market) to add it to a current plan.
    >> While the MOK does give a warning about extra cost using it, it also
    >> specifically says the word **PLAN**. Again, we are talking about an
    >> **OPTION** (with different names in different markets).

    >
    > Can't speak about everywhere, but in the SF Bay Area anyway, there
    > has long (>1yr, as long as there has been 1xRTT data) been a *PLAN*,
    > formerly called "ExpressNetwork", now called "NationalAccess", under
    > the Internet/Data Plans dropdown. It is totally equivalent to the
    > National Single Rate Plan, with a "National Access" MOU *OPTION*
    > added to it.
    > It is listed along with Unlimited NationalAccess and Broadband ($79),
    > and NationalAccess Megabyte.
    >
    > What is new and undocumented and the intended useage uncertain is
    > having the "National Access" MOU *OPTION* on something other than NSR
    > (on AC in particular).
     
  7. Peter Pan

    Peter Pan Guest

    CharlesH wrote:
    > In article <c54m56$2mfcr2$1@ID-190045.news.uni-berlin.de>,
    > Peter Pan <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote:
    >> Actually, it fits in exactly, the NA-MOU (previously Express
    >> Network, and as it is called by it's effect, but not officially) is
    >> an **OPTION** to a current existing plan (like caller id or 3 way
    >> calling etc), while what they say is about a **PLAN** IE a totally
    >> different thing than an option.
    >> There is no official thing called NA-MOU, it is only used here as a
    >> notation for the effect.
    >> Again, the **option** is not listed on the website, and only a
    >> determined check by a friendly person can even find the computer
    >> code (different in each market) to add it to a current plan.
    >> While the MOK does give a warning about extra cost using it, it also
    >> specifically says the word **PLAN**. Again, we are talking about an
    >> **OPTION** (with different names in different markets).

    >
    > Can't speak about everywhere, but in the SF Bay Area anyway, there
    > has long (>1yr, as long as there has been 1xRTT data) been a *PLAN*,
    > formerly called "ExpressNetwork", now called "NationalAccess", under
    > the Internet/Data Plans dropdown. It is totally equivalent to the
    > National Single Rate Plan, with a "National Access" MOU *OPTION*
    > added to it.
    > It is listed along with Unlimited NationalAccess and Broadband ($79),
    > and NationalAccess Megabyte.
    >
    > What is new and undocumented and the intended useage uncertain is
    > having the "National Access" MOU *OPTION* on something other than NSR
    > (on AC in particular).


    While the rest of the reply was fine, I take exception to your use of the
    words "What is new"... I added that **option** to my existing AC plan in
    january of 2003, about 15 months ago. You may measure new differently, but I
    think that over a year is no longer new. Now I did add it on the East Coast,
    and am on the west coast now. My understanding is that the east and west
    coast used to use different systems, and just recently combined them,
    (although the local Verizon store here in Las Vegas can't pull up my
    contract or any info from Tampa FL where I started it).. Guess they don't
    have all the bugs worked out yet. :)
     
  8. CharlesH

    CharlesH Guest

    >While the rest of the reply was fine, I take exception to your use of the
    >words "What is new"... I added that **option** to my existing AC plan in
    >january of 2003, about 15 months ago. You may measure new differently, but I
    >think that over a year is no longer new.


    How time flies when you're having fun :). Sorry... hadn't realized it
    had been that long.
     
  9. David S

    David S Guest

    On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 13:04:14 -0400, Mike <inundated9@yahoo.com> chose to
    add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

    >On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 07:53:12 -0700, "Peter Pan"
    ><Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote:
    >
    >>Now specificaly for that phone (an LG VX 4400), you have to have revision 9
    >>or 10 of the code to do it.

    >
    >THIS is false info.
    >
    >Any 4400 can do 1X data, no matter what version of the firmware it
    >has.
    >
    >The later revision (up to v10) is only need to allow the HANDSET to do
    >1X data for things like Mobile Web. If you are using the cable to
    >connect to a PDA or laptop, any 4400 can do 1X data.


    But having v10 is a good reason to have MOU that you can tell the CS rep so
    they will put it on your account if you don't have it already.

    After you get your phone upgraded to v10, try to use GIN (browsing is just
    minutes, you aren't committing to paying for anything just by hitting the
    GIN button on the phone). If it works, you have MOU and no further
    interaction with CS is necessary; just get the cable and start surfing. If
    it doesn't, call CS and tell them; if they seem mystified, you could hint
    that you heard that you need MOU for it to work

    --
    David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
    Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    "This is the earliest I've ever been late." - Yogi Berra
     
  10. Elector

    Elector Guest

    "Dapper Dave" <expurgated@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:jcib70h78ddali58qotc2m06igc46307i0@4ax.com...
    > >"Peter Pan" <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote:

    >
    > >Don wrote:
    > >>> What IS the case is that people who are using NA/MOU 1XRTT tethered
    > >>> data are currently exploiting this 'loophole', which isn't bad or
    > >>> illegal or anything. But, be aware that this 'loophole' may be
    > >>> closed in the future somehow.
    > >>
    > >> I keep hearing about this "loophole" that we are using which I find
    > >> difficult to understand. When I signed up for my service Express
    > >> Network/Minutes of Use (now called National Access) was listed at no
    > >> charge on my sales slip. If Verizon had not intended it to be used
    > >> that way why would it be shown as such on the sales slip?
    > >>
    > >> Don

    > >
    > >It's easy to understand if you realize that there is no loophole, and

    there
    > >is no problem with it. Just a rant started by some paranoid/whacky

    people.
    > >Don't believe in people making stupid claims with no support or herd
    > >instinct? How many emails have you gotten from otherwise reasonable

    people
    > >that end with something like "Send this message on to xxxx other people

    or
    > >you will suffer from bad luck"... :)
    > >

    >
    > Am I the only one who has actually asked Verizon about this in writing
    > (well, via email)?
    >
    >
    > Here is what I asked:
    > "I have the Express Network unlimited plan, for which I
    > pay $80/month. Over the last few months I have seen postings from
    > hundreds of Americas Choice customers who are getting Express Network
    > for only MOU, i.e., free on nights and weekends. I am considering
    > switching to that plan for that reason. I have two questions: 1. Is it
    > true that Express Network is available for only minutes of use on the
    > Americas Choice plan? 2. Will it continue to be available for only
    > minutes of use on the Americas Choice plan? Thanks."
    >
    > Here is what they answered:
    > "NationalAccess (the new name for Express Network) does have minutes of
    > use plans. This option is perfect for the customer who has a 1x
    > compatible handset but will spend equal amount of time or more
    > voice minutes than data minutes. This option is only available to the
    > customer through the Single Rate NationalAccess Price Plans."
    >
    >
    > Now, interpreting that response is like interpreting the Koran, but it
    > seems to suggest that NA-MOU for tethered use is a loophole.
    >
    > Personally, it makes no difference to me, for obvious reasons.


    I was going to snip the above, but I felt it important to point out that you
    will many times receive *different* answers from *different* so called
    customer service reps.

    As I pointed out in a post a few weeks ago, both Online and Telephone CSR's
    stated I could not have a Promotion without a two year contract etc.
    a simple visit to my local Verizon office store and conversation with a
    friend of mine placed that Promotion on with no trouble.

    As others have pointed out many times it is not a money maker for that
    person so they either through ignorance or on purpose will not place it on
    your account. How you use it either via the $79+ data plans or Minutes of
    Use added on as a code to your account varies how the person on the other
    end values your business.

    The point of having it would be to use on occasion as I do when I am not
    hooked to a cable or DSL connection. If I use my minutes up I pay the .20
    cents for each additional minute over my allotted plan, but I never have so
    I don't worry about it.

    Take any response from Verizon Wireless Non-Knowledgeable Support people
    with a grain of salt, and keep trying as others have said until you get a
    savvy CSR.

    Elector
     
  11. blu

    blu Guest

    Hi,

    Well I have just spent most of the morning on the phone
    and each rep gave me a different answer. First picked up
    the mobile office kit and connected my LG4400 phone. I was
    able to connect to the qnc connection,but not the faster
    express network. Authentication error with username/password.
    It has been explained and follows several of the posts here that
    the account doesnt have the MOU account code. Now I am being told
    that I need to either change the plan or add a feature. The plan
    entiles the usual one or two year committement. The feature is good
    so I can add/delete as needed. The feature is only a megabit plan, not
    minutes. I called several times and each rep gave me a slightly
    different version. I ended up returning the kit. 14.4 doesnt work for
    me.Thinking I will get a LG6000 and then just I can use the air minutes
    as needed. I wont be connecting a lot,so this might work.

    Thanks for all the posts regarding my question. You guys/gals really
    know your stuff.

    blu.....

    Don wrote:

    > blu wrote:
    >
    >>Thanks, everyone for the responses. I will keep in
    >>touch with any updates. Off to buy cable and connect
    >>to the internet.

    >
    >
    > You can probably buy the Mobile Office Kit on e-bay a lot cheaper than
    > from Verizon.
    > Don
     
  12. Bart

    Bart Guest

    In the interest of calming the strong emotions expressed to date on this
    topic, let me ask a related question that has me very curious....

    If Verizon ever does decide to actually forbid tethered MOU, will those of
    us with existing agreements have a "grandfather privilege", as long as we
    maintain our contract?

    Let's be gentlemanly (and womanly) in our repsonses!

    "4500" <4500@no.where> wrote in message
    news:a3na70hnlnj4ote0d5fpe81005vjdrgf3e@4ax.com...
    > On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 22:58:16 -0700, "Peter Pan"
    > <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote:
    > >It's easy to understand if you realize that there is no loophole, and

    there
    > >is no problem with it. Just a rant started by some paranoid/whacky

    people.
    > >Don't believe in people making stupid claims with no support or herd
    > >instinct? How many emails have you gotten from otherwise reasonable

    people
    > >that end with something like "Send this message on to xxxx other people

    or
    > >you will suffer from bad luck"... :)
    > >

    >
    > There is no need to resort to personal attacks and call others
    > paranoid just because you don't agree with them. I've never sent any
    > private messages to anyone and really don't care whether you or others
    > use this loophole (which I believe it is) or not.
    >
    > I do, however, want to make sure these newsgroups provide sound
    > information to those who come here needing information advice.
    >
    > It is certainly the case that anyone with NA on their account (which
    > includes most people who can use Get-It-Now on America's Choice plans)
    > can currently use NA with tethered access. We can argue about whether
    > this is inteneded or a loophole, but I think we agree it is
    > technically possible right now and that many people are doing this
    > wihout paying for any additional data plans.
    >
    > It is also the case that Verizon has said repeatedly that those who
    > want to use NA for such data access should purchase a separate data
    > plan. The instructions with the Mobile Office Kit, for examlpe, make
    > it very clear that data access (other than GIN) requires additional
    > fees/plans. Also, I'm not aware from this newsgroup that anyone has
    > ever been told by Verizon sales or CS that this use is allowed. In
    > fact, as far as I know, virtually every call to CS indicates that this
    > is not an intended use.
    >
    > So, you can call this situation (in which it is possible to do what
    > Verizon clearly does not intend) whatever you want and I'll not call
    > you names or suggest you have some mental illness because you express
    > your opinion. To me this circumstance walks like a loophole and
    > quacks like a loophole, so I'll consider it a loophole.
    >
    > Finally, none of us knows whether or when Verizon will stop this
    > unintended use of NA without a separate data plan. I do think it is
    > possible, as another poster wrote, that Verizon will at some point
    > just make this usage completely authorized once the faster EVDO
    > services become the premium data services. Hopefully at that point
    > this long debate can end.
    >
     
  13. Peter Pan

    Peter Pan Guest

    Well you never know, after all, one of the other major companies (sprint I
    think) used to have unlimited data access and then started taking it away
    but still charging for it, and everyone knows, cause it's posted here all
    the time, that verizon is just like sprint, heck from reading this NG, it's
    even smaller than sprint and gonna be bought by them, and there are a bunch
    of posts that claim verizon is gonna have 7pm starts just like sprint. Funny
    how all those claims are usually cross-posted. :)
    (PS the above is meant to be sarcastic!)



    "Bart" <Bart7@isp.com> wrote in message
    news:sNidnaIx3IbsIOvdRVn-hA@comcast.com
    > In the interest of calming the strong emotions expressed to date on
    > this topic, let me ask a related question that has me very curious....
    >
    > If Verizon ever does decide to actually forbid tethered MOU, will
    > those of us with existing agreements have a "grandfather privilege",
    > as long as we maintain our contract?
    >
    > Let's be gentlemanly (and womanly) in our repsonses!
    >
    > "4500" <4500@no.where> wrote in message
    > news:a3na70hnlnj4ote0d5fpe81005vjdrgf3e@4ax.com...
    >> On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 22:58:16 -0700, "Peter Pan"
    >> <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote:
    >>> It's easy to understand if you realize that there is no loophole,
    >>> and there is no problem with it. Just a rant started by some
    >>> paranoid/whacky people. Don't believe in people making stupid
    >>> claims with no support or herd instinct? How many emails have you
    >>> gotten from otherwise reasonable people that end with something
    >>> like "Send this message on to xxxx other people or you will suffer
    >>> from bad luck"... :)
    >>>
     
  14. David S

    David S Guest

    On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 12:10:48 -0700, "Peter Pan"
    <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> chose to add this to the great equation of
    life, the universe, and everything:

    >4500 wrote:
    >> On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 22:58:16 -0700, "Peter Pan"
    >> <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote:
    >>> It's easy to understand if you realize that there is no loophole,
    >>> and there is no problem with it. Just a rant started by some
    >>> paranoid/whacky people. Don't believe in people making stupid claims
    >>> with no support or herd instinct? How many emails have you gotten
    >>> from otherwise reasonable people that end with something like "Send
    >>> this message on to xxxx other people or you will suffer from bad
    >>> luck"... :)

    >>
    >> There is no need to resort to personal attacks and call others
    >> paranoid just because you don't agree with them. I've never sent any
    >> private messages to anyone and really don't care whether you or others
    >> use this loophole (which I believe it is) or not.
    >>

    ><Incorrect info snipped>


    <"incorrect" info restored for analysis>

    >I do, however, want to make sure these newsgroups provide sound
    >information to those who come here needing information advice.


    Since this is a statement of his intention, I don't see how you can
    disagree with it.

    >It is certainly the case that anyone with NA on their account (which
    >includes most people who can use Get-It-Now on America's Choice plans)
    >can currently use NA with tethered access. We can argue about whether
    >this is inteneded or a loophole, but I think we agree it is
    >technically possible right now and that many people are doing this
    >wihout paying for any additional data plans.


    That paragraph is correct.

    >It is also the case that Verizon has said repeatedly that those who
    >want to use NA for such data access should purchase a separate data
    >plan. The instructions with the Mobile Office Kit, for examlpe, make
    >it very clear that data access (other than GIN) requires additional


    Nothing incorrect there.

    >fees/plans. Also, I'm not aware from this newsgroup that anyone has
    >ever been told by Verizon sales or CS that this use is allowed. In


    Okay, there is at least one person in this group who says he made it clear
    to his sales person that he intended to use his phone this way and they
    said it was all right. But 4500 said he's "not aware that anyone...", which
    I can believe, him being new here.

    >fact, as far as I know, virtually every call to CS indicates that this
    >is not an intended use.


    Can't disprove that.

    <paragraph of opinion snipped, since opinion can't be argued as fact>

    >Finally, none of us knows whether or when Verizon will stop this
    >unintended use of NA without a separate data plan.


    That's correct (unless someone has inside knowledge they aren't sharing
    with us).

    <more opinion snipped>

    >Sorry you feel it is personal, just because you are WRONG, sorry you take it
    >personally.. specifically under Mobile Access on the verizon website it
    >says:
    >Take care of business virtually anytime, anywhere
    >With NationalAccess, Verizon Wireless' national wireless Internet service,
    >you're never out of the loop,
    >even when you're out of the office. NationalAccess enables users to access
    >the Internet, corporate email,
    >attachments, and business applications with a laptop at typical speeds of
    >40-60 kbps and bursts up to 144 kbps.
    >
    ><New Paragraph Section>
    >
    >NationalAccess Calling Plans
    >If you spend an average amount of time on your wireless phone and the
    >Internet, these plans offer good value.
    >Starting at just $35 per month, you get an airtime allowance that can be
    >used for both wireless Internet access and
    >domestic calling. There are no domestic long distance or domestic roaming
    >charges coast to coast.
    >====================================
    >Notice the statement "you get an airtime allowance that can be used for both
    >wireless Internet access and
    >domestic calling".
    >Obviously that is intended for mobile or tethered use....
    >
    >Now admittedly, that is what has only been on the website for a month or
    >two, and it may/may not have been true in the past, but the rumour started
    >before that statement was put on the website, and it is definately not true
    >now.


    As has been pointed out to you before, this plan is basically National
    Single Rate with NA enabled and does not have unlimited night and weekend
    minutes, whereas we were talking about people with AC or LDC using NA
    without any additional plan or fee.

    4500 doesn't want to get personal with you, and I admire him for it. I
    don't like to call people names either, but I do make exceptions, and 4500
    doesn't know you as well as some of us do, Pee Pee.

    I think if anybody here has a mental problem, it's you.

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  15. "David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message
    news:ambg70t8nstjqm33rfco265emh6esn9hnn@4ax.com...

    >
    > Okay, there is at least one person in this group who says he made it clear
    > to his sales person that he intended to use his phone this way and they
    > said it was all right. But 4500 said he's "not aware that anyone...",

    which
    > I can believe, him being new here.
    >


    I made it very clear to the CSR when I bought the phone and plan that I
    intended tethered use. I also made the same point to the data support person
    when I verified that it had been setup properly and got the info on how to
    use it. I even pointed out the Sprint debacle and both said go right ahead.
    I added that it seemed too good to be true when compared to the real data
    plans but they essentially said don't worry about it. I actually don't use
    it very much, but I will screech loudly if they shut it off. I actually
    hardly ever use the voice minutes, either, so overall, they aren't doing
    very badly with my account. I really have it for insurance when I can't make
    any other sort of connection. When EV-DO hits, I expect to see if they will
    let me upgrade to an unlimited data plan with the PC 5220 card. I will use
    that pretty heavily as it will be much better than dialup.


    --
    Thomas M. Goethe
     
  16. Don

    Don Guest

    David S wrote:
    >

    Also, I'm not aware from this newsgroup that anyone has
    > >ever been told by Verizon sales or CS that this use is allowed.

    >

    When I signed up last June for America's Choice I specifically asked the
    person at the Verizon store about using my phone as a modem with my
    laptop while traveling. He pointed out to me that my sales agreement
    included Express Network (now National Access)for MOU and even told me
    what I had to do to setup my laptop to accomplish this. Nothing was
    ever mentioned by him about needing any other plan with additional
    charges.

    I never had to call anyone to get the service turned on once I had my
    laptop set up properly. I purchased my Mobile Office Kit on e-bay for
    about thirty bucks including shipping. I use it while traveling,
    usually after nine o'clock and on week-ends. I've never incurred any
    charges other than MOU.

    Don
     
  17. ALS

    ALS Guest

    I signed up for America's Choice about a year ago. When I tried to use
    Express Network (now National Access) for MOU with my laptop it did not
    work. When my cable went out last summer - I called technical support and
    explained that I wanted to use Express Network (now National Access) for MOU
    with my laptop because QNC was way too slow. When asked how I learned of
    this - I told him it was this newsgroup. He set something on my account and
    it has worked ever since with no charges.


    "Don" <rver123@mindspring.com> wrote in message
    news:4078CF2A.38A7@mindspring.com...
    > David S wrote:
    > >

    > Also, I'm not aware from this newsgroup that anyone has
    > > >ever been told by Verizon sales or CS that this use is allowed.

    > >

    > When I signed up last June for America's Choice I specifically asked the
    > person at the Verizon store about using my phone as a modem with my
    > laptop while traveling. He pointed out to me that my sales agreement
    > included Express Network (now National Access)for MOU and even told me
    > what I had to do to setup my laptop to accomplish this. Nothing was
    > ever mentioned by him about needing any other plan with additional
    > charges.
    >
    > I never had to call anyone to get the service turned on once I had my
    > laptop set up properly. I purchased my Mobile Office Kit on e-bay for
    > about thirty bucks including shipping. I use it while traveling,
    > usually after nine o'clock and on week-ends. I've never incurred any
    > charges other than MOU.
    >
    > Don



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  18. David S

    David S Guest

    On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 18:08:09 -0700, "Peter Pan"
    <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> chose to add this to the great equation of
    life, the universe, and everything:

    >CharlesH wrote:
    >> In article <c54m56$2mfcr2$1@ID-190045.news.uni-berlin.de>,
    >> Peter Pan <Marcs1102NOSPAM@Hotmail.com> wrote:
    >>> Actually, it fits in exactly, the NA-MOU (previously Express
    >>> Network, and as it is called by it's effect, but not officially) is
    >>> an **OPTION** to a current existing plan (like caller id or 3 way
    >>> calling etc), while what they say is about a **PLAN** IE a totally
    >>> different thing than an option.
    >>> There is no official thing called NA-MOU, it is only used here as a
    >>> notation for the effect.
    >>> Again, the **option** is not listed on the website, and only a
    >>> determined check by a friendly person can even find the computer
    >>> code (different in each market) to add it to a current plan.
    >>> While the MOK does give a warning about extra cost using it, it also
    >>> specifically says the word **PLAN**. Again, we are talking about an
    >>> **OPTION** (with different names in different markets).

    >>
    >> Can't speak about everywhere, but in the SF Bay Area anyway, there
    >> has long (>1yr, as long as there has been 1xRTT data) been a *PLAN*,
    >> formerly called "ExpressNetwork", now called "NationalAccess", under
    >> the Internet/Data Plans dropdown. It is totally equivalent to the
    >> National Single Rate Plan, with a "National Access" MOU *OPTION*
    >> added to it.
    >> It is listed along with Unlimited NationalAccess and Broadband ($79),
    >> and NationalAccess Megabyte.
    >>
    >> What is new and undocumented and the intended useage uncertain is
    >> having the "National Access" MOU *OPTION* on something other than NSR
    >> (on AC in particular).

    >
    >While the rest of the reply was fine, I take exception to your use of the
    >words "What is new"... I added that **option** to my existing AC plan in

    <snip irrelevance to the question at hand>

    What you still haven't admitted is that the official way of doing it is by
    adding the MOU option to a ***SINGLE RATE*** plan. You have yet to show
    where VZW officially allows, sanctions, condones, or even will continue for
    any length of time to tolerate use of the option for tethered access on an
    ***AC*** plan, which is what everybody here wants to know.

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  19. Jim Williams

    Jim Williams Guest

    What does tethered mean as it is used here?

    > What you still haven't admitted is that the official way of doing it is by
    > adding the MOU option to a ***SINGLE RATE*** plan. You have yet to show
    > where VZW officially allows, sanctions, condones, or even will continue

    for
    > any length of time to tolerate use of the option for tethered access on an
    > ***AC*** plan, which is what everybody here wants to know.
     
  20. Tethered means using a cable to connect your phone to a computer, pda, etc.
    of some sort to use the phone as a modem.

    On 4/11/04 1:42 PM, in article 107j815mf0sasfe@corp.supernews.com, "Jim
    Williams" <jwill@voyager.net> wrote:

    > What does tethered mean as it is used here?
    >
    >> What you still haven't admitted is that the official way of doing it is by
    >> adding the MOU option to a ***SINGLE RATE*** plan. You have yet to show
    >> where VZW officially allows, sanctions, condones, or even will continue

    > for
    >> any length of time to tolerate use of the option for tethered access on an
    >> ***AC*** plan, which is what everybody here wants to know.

    >
    >
     

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