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New phones! Analog??

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by FELIX, Dec 3, 2003.

  1. Mike Roman

    Mike Roman Guest

    Al Klein wrote:
    > On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 18:49:30 -0500, Mike Roman <eschamp@fastmail.fm>
    > posted in alt.cellular.verizon:
    >
    >
    >>Verizon told me a week or so ago that (1) they would not continue my
    >>wife's analog service account if she upgraded her phone and (2) they
    >>expect analog to "go away" before the summer. (We're in central NJ.)

    >
    >
    > 1) may or may not be true. 2) is a lie - the FCC requires that they
    > keep analog service running for at least a few more years. (It was
    > extended before the deadline last time - it might get extended again
    > next time.)


    How can (1) be a lie? If she wants to upgrade her phone, how can she
    force them to continue her analog-only contract?



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  2. Scott Nelson

    Scott Nelson Guest

    Two different things. They can cancel any of our contracts at any time.

    The Analog service availability in the Cell Sites and system to support
    that, must be maintained by both A and B carriers, as of the year 2000
    snapshot of analog the analog system, until year 2008 when it will again be
    brought up before the FCC in a hearing and the FCC at that time will hear
    arguments as to whether the mandate for this ruling should continue or be
    lifted.

    I have a feeling that the store rep is feeding them BS about the analog
    service being shutdown ( which I know for a fact is wrong ) but Verizon home
    office can cancel the contract at any time. Now, that being said, stay out
    of the stores and wait until you have something in the mail that says you
    are being cancelled.

    The store is just trying to get you on a newer plan. Stay with what you have
    until they say ( by mail or notice in your billing statement ) otherwise. If
    you ask, they will all say you need to get off but, if you don't say
    anything at all and keep you bill/account current, they should leave you
    alone.
    At some point, they will send you a notice saying that they are upgrading or
    canceling your account by mail.

    Does that make sense? I think it is a question of "asking the right question
    to get the right answer" kind of thing. :)

    Scotty



    "Mike Roman" <eschamp@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
    news:20040126135058.084$Zl@news.newsreader.com...
    > Al Klein wrote:
    > > On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 18:49:30 -0500, Mike Roman <eschamp@fastmail.fm>
    > > posted in alt.cellular.verizon:
    > >
    > >
    > >>Verizon told me a week or so ago that (1) they would not continue my
    > >>wife's analog service account if she upgraded her phone and (2) they
    > >>expect analog to "go away" before the summer. (We're in central NJ.)

    > >
    > >
    > > 1) may or may not be true. 2) is a lie - the FCC requires that they
    > > keep analog service running for at least a few more years. (It was
    > > extended before the deadline last time - it might get extended again
    > > next time.)

    >
    > How can (1) be a lie? If she wants to upgrade her phone, how can she
    > force them to continue her analog-only contract?
  3. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:50:58 -0500, Mike Roman <eschamp@fastmail.fm>
    posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >How can (1) be a lie? If she wants to upgrade her phone, how can she
    >force them to continue her analog-only contract?


    Does the word "contract" mean anything to you?

    Again - was this some rep you asked who gave you the (mis)information,
    or was it an inclusion in your bill? Changing the ESN on a contract
    isn't grounds for voiding the contract.

    (If you mean that she wanted a subsidized price on a new analog phone,
    that's a different matter.)
  4. Scott Nelson

    Scott Nelson Guest

    I doubt that her/their contract is current but ya never know. More than
    likely she has gone past the actually contract expire date and it is just a
    plan now.
    Even the new contracts are really one way. If you read the small print, it
    says the carrier can modify or cancel contract anytime they want.
    Kind of makes you wonder what their definition of contract is but, when you
    pay for a boat load of lawyers, what chance do we have? ;-)

    From their website:

    "Our Rights To Make Changes
    Your service is subject to our business policies, practices, and procedures,
    which we can change without notice. WE CAN ALSO CHANGE PRICES AND ANY OTHER
    TERMS IN THIS AGREEMENT AT ANY TIME BY GIVING YOU WRITTEN NOTICE PRIOR TO
    THE BILLING PERIOD IN WHICH THE CHANGES WOULD GO INTO EFFECT. IF YOU CHOOSE
    TO USE YOUR SERVICE AFTER THAT POINT, YOU'RE ACCEPTING THE CHANGES. IF THE
    CHANGES HAVE A MATERIAL ADVERSE EFFECT ON YOU, HOWEVER, YOU CAN END THE
    AFFECTED SERVICE, WITHOUT ANY EARLY TERMINATION FEE, JUST BY CALLING US
    WITHIN 30 DAYS AFTER THE FIRST BILL WHEN THE CHANGES GO INTO EFFECT."



    Scotty




    "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.org> wrote in message
    news:6prb10152rd261p82i834fh0i5upd86gik@Pern.rk...
    > On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:50:58 -0500, Mike Roman <eschamp@fastmail.fm>
    > posted in alt.cellular.verizon:
    >
    > >How can (1) be a lie? If she wants to upgrade her phone, how can she
    > >force them to continue her analog-only contract?

    >
    > Does the word "contract" mean anything to you?
    >
    > Again - was this some rep you asked who gave you the (mis)information,
    > or was it an inclusion in your bill? Changing the ESN on a contract
    > isn't grounds for voiding the contract.
    >
    > (If you mean that she wanted a subsidized price on a new analog phone,
    > that's a different matter.)
  5. Bill Radio

    Bill Radio Guest

    Mike,
    Would it make you feel any better to know that OnStar is analog? Only the
    newest 2004 models are now using digital. Guess what would happen if all
    those people with cars as new as a 2003 model suddenly had their OnStar
    service stop working?

    But if you want to change phones, the rules all change.

    -Bill Radio


    "Mike Roman" <eschamp@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
    news:20040126135058.084$Zl@news.newsreader.com...
  6. Scott Nelson

    Scott Nelson Guest

    Onstar and several others are among sveral reasons the FCC is mandating AMPS
    until another hearing in 2008 where they will look at it again and blah blah
    blah, I am preaching to chior huh..... ;-)

    Scotty


    "Bill Radio" <br@MountainWirelessNOSPAN.com> wrote in message
    news:101bumup7m0t03a@corp.supernews.com...
    > Mike,
    > Would it make you feel any better to know that OnStar is analog? Only the
    > newest 2004 models are now using digital. Guess what would happen if all
    > those people with cars as new as a 2003 model suddenly had their OnStar
    > service stop working?
    >
    > But if you want to change phones, the rules all change.
    >
    > -Bill Radio
    >
    >
    > "Mike Roman" <eschamp@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
    > news:20040126135058.084$Zl@news.newsreader.com...
    >
    >
  7. Scott Nelson

    Scott Nelson Guest

    I doubt that her/their contract is current but ya never know. More than
    likely she has gone past the actually contract expire date and it is just a
    plan now.
    Even the new contracts are really one way. If you read the small print, it
    says the carrier can modify or cancel contract anytime they want.
    Kind of makes you wonder what their definition of contract is but, when you
    pay for a boat load of lawyers, what chance do we have? ;-)

    From their website:

    "Our Rights To Make Changes
    Your service is subject to our business policies, practices, and procedures,
    which we can change without notice. WE CAN ALSO CHANGE PRICES AND ANY OTHER
    TERMS IN THIS AGREEMENT AT ANY TIME BY GIVING YOU WRITTEN NOTICE PRIOR TO
    THE BILLING PERIOD IN WHICH THE CHANGES WOULD GO INTO EFFECT. IF YOU CHOOSE
    TO USE YOUR SERVICE AFTER THAT POINT, YOU'RE ACCEPTING THE CHANGES. IF THE
    CHANGES HAVE A MATERIAL ADVERSE EFFECT ON YOU, HOWEVER, YOU CAN END THE
    AFFECTED SERVICE, WITHOUT ANY EARLY TERMINATION FEE, JUST BY CALLING US
    WITHIN 30 DAYS AFTER THE FIRST BILL WHEN THE CHANGES GO INTO EFFECT."



    Scotty


    "Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.org> wrote in message
    news:6prb10152rd261p82i834fh0i5upd86gik@Pern.rk...
    > On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:50:58 -0500, Mike Roman <eschamp@fastmail.fm>
    > posted in alt.cellular.verizon:
    >
    > >How can (1) be a lie? If she wants to upgrade her phone, how can she
    > >force them to continue her analog-only contract?

    >
    > Does the word "contract" mean anything to you?
    >
    > Again - was this some rep you asked who gave you the (mis)information,
    > or was it an inclusion in your bill? Changing the ESN on a contract
    > isn't grounds for voiding the contract.
    >
    > (If you mean that she wanted a subsidized price on a new analog phone,
    > that's a different matter.)
  8. Scott Nelson

    Scott Nelson Guest

    Onstar and several others are among several reasons the FCC is mandating
    AMPS
    until another hearing in 2008 where they will look at it again and blah blah
    blah, I am preaching to choir huh..... ;-)

    Scotty


    "Bill Radio" <br@MountainWirelessNOSPAN.com> wrote in message
    news:101bumup7m0t03a@corp.supernews.com...
    > Mike,
    > Would it make you feel any better to know that OnStar is analog? Only the
    > newest 2004 models are now using digital. Guess what would happen if all
    > those people with cars as new as a 2003 model suddenly had their OnStar
    > service stop working?
    >
    > But if you want to change phones, the rules all change.
    >
    > -Bill Radio
    >
    >
    > "Mike Roman" <eschamp@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
    > news:20040126135058.084$Zl@news.newsreader.com...
    >
    >
  9. Scott Nelson

    Scott Nelson Guest

    Two different things. They can cancel any of our contracts at any time.

    The Analog service availability in the Cell Sites and system to support
    that, must be maintained by both A and B carriers, as of the year 2000
    snapshot of analog the analog system, until year 2008 when it will again be
    brought up before the FCC in a hearing and the FCC at that time will hear
    arguments as to whether the mandate for this ruling should continue or be
    lifted.

    I have a feeling that the store rep is feeding them BS about the analog
    service being shutdown ( which I know for a fact is wrong ) but Verizon home
    office can cancel the contract at any time. Now, that being said, stay out
    of the stores and wait until you have something in the mail that says you
    are being cancelled.

    The store is just trying to get you on a newer plan. Stay with what you have
    until they say ( by mail or notice in your billing statement ) otherwise. If
    you ask, they will all say you need to get off but, if you don't say
    anything at all and keep you bill/account current, they should leave you
    alone.
    At some point, they will send you a notice saying that they are upgrading or
    canceling your account by mail.

    Does that make sense? I think it is a question of "asking the right question
    to get the right answer" kind of thing. :)

    Scotty



    "Mike Roman" <eschamp@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
    news:20040126135058.084$Zl@news.newsreader.com...
    > Al Klein wrote:
    > > On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 18:49:30 -0500, Mike Roman <eschamp@fastmail.fm>
    > > posted in alt.cellular.verizon:
    > >
    > >
    > >>Verizon told me a week or so ago that (1) they would not continue my
    > >>wife's analog service account if she upgraded her phone and (2) they
    > >>expect analog to "go away" before the summer. (We're in central NJ.)

    > >
    > >
    > > 1) may or may not be true. 2) is a lie - the FCC requires that they
    > > keep analog service running for at least a few more years. (It was
    > > extended before the deadline last time - it might get extended again
    > > next time.)

    >
    > How can (1) be a lie? If she wants to upgrade her phone, how can she
    > force them to continue her analog-only contract?
  10. Mike Roman

    Mike Roman Guest

    Scott Nelson wrote:

    > Two different things. They can cancel any of our contracts at any time.
    >
    > The Analog service availability in the Cell Sites and system to support
    > that, must be maintained by both A and B carriers, as of the year 2000
    > snapshot of analog the analog system, until year 2008 when it will again be
    > brought up before the FCC in a hearing and the FCC at that time will hear
    > arguments as to whether the mandate for this ruling should continue or be
    > lifted.
    >
    > I have a feeling that the store rep is feeding them BS about the analog
    > service being shutdown ( which I know for a fact is wrong ) but Verizon home
    > office can cancel the contract at any time. Now, that being said, stay out
    > of the stores and wait until you have something in the mail that says you
    > are being cancelled.
    >
    > The store is just trying to get you on a newer plan. Stay with what you have
    > until they say ( by mail or notice in your billing statement ) otherwise. If
    > you ask, they will all say you need to get off but, if you don't say
    > anything at all and keep you bill/account current, they should leave you
    > alone.
    > At some point, they will send you a notice saying that they are upgrading or
    > canceling your account by mail.
    >
    > Does that make sense? I think it is a question of "asking the right question
    > to get the right answer" kind of thing. :)
    >
    > Scotty


    Yes. So the idea of upgrading her phone has lots of pitfalls!!

    I guess we'll just stick with this or go with a prepaid thing.
  11. Mike Roman

    Mike Roman Guest

    Al Klein wrote:

    > On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:50:58 -0500, Mike Roman <eschamp@fastmail.fm>
    > posted in alt.cellular.verizon:
    >
    >>How can (1) be a lie? If she wants to upgrade her phone, how can she
    >>force them to continue her analog-only contract?

    >
    > Does the word "contract" mean anything to you?
    >
    > Again - was this some rep you asked who gave you the (mis)information,
    > or was it an inclusion in your bill? Changing the ESN on a contract
    > isn't grounds for voiding the contract.
    >
    > (If you mean that she wanted a subsidized price on a new analog phone,
    > that's a different matter.)


    I wanted to get her a new phone because the one she has is prone to
    being accidentally turned on as it gets barraged by things in the
    knapsack she carries as a "pocketbook" (there's a misnomer for you!!)

    I didn't see any new analog phones so we looked at multimode, clamshell
    phones. That's when they said they would not activate a new one of those
    on her present account, nor would they let her sign up for an account
    extension to get the new phone. It seemed reasonable to ask for a
    discount on the phone if she signed up for an additional year or two.
    But obviously, we don't know enough!
  12. Mike Roman

    Mike Roman Guest

    Scott Nelson wrote:

    > I doubt that her/their contract is current but ya never know. More than
    > likely she has gone past the actually contract expire date and it is just a
    > plan now.
    > Even the new contracts are really one way. If you read the small print, it
    > says the carrier can modify or cancel contract anytime they want.
    > Kind of makes you wonder what their definition of contract is but, when you
    > pay for a boat load of lawyers, what chance do we have? ;-)
    >
    > From their website:
    >
    > "Our Rights To Make Changes
    > Your service is subject to our business policies, practices, and procedures,
    > which we can change without notice. WE CAN ALSO CHANGE PRICES AND ANY OTHER
    > TERMS IN THIS AGREEMENT AT ANY TIME BY GIVING YOU WRITTEN NOTICE PRIOR TO
    > THE BILLING PERIOD IN WHICH THE CHANGES WOULD GO INTO EFFECT. IF YOU CHOOSE
    > TO USE YOUR SERVICE AFTER THAT POINT, YOU'RE ACCEPTING THE CHANGES. IF THE
    > CHANGES HAVE A MATERIAL ADVERSE EFFECT ON YOU, HOWEVER, YOU CAN END THE
    > AFFECTED SERVICE, WITHOUT ANY EARLY TERMINATION FEE, JUST BY CALLING US
    > WITHIN 30 DAYS AFTER THE FIRST BILL WHEN THE CHANGES GO INTO EFFECT."


    It's the kind of contract that is binding on you but not on them! :-(
  13. Mike Roman <eschamp@fastmail.fm> wrote:

    > I didn't see any new analog phones so we looked at multimode, clamshell
    > phones. That's when they said they would not activate a new one of those
    > on her present account, nor would they let her sign up for an account
    > extension to get the new phone. It seemed reasonable to ask for a
    > discount on the phone if she signed up for an additional year or two.
    > But obviously, we don't know enough!


    Multimode means what, in this context? I've never heard that term applied
    to cellular service.

    --
    JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, Apple Valley, CA
    Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net
    PGP: C57E 8B25 F994 D6D0 5F6B B961 EA08 9410 E3AE 35ED
  14. David S

    David S Guest

    On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:50:58 -0500, Mike Roman <eschamp@fastmail.fm> chose
    to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

    >Al Klein wrote:
    >> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 18:49:30 -0500, Mike Roman <eschamp@fastmail.fm>
    >> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:
    >>
    >>>Verizon told me a week or so ago that (1) they would not continue my
    >>>wife's analog service account if she upgraded her phone and (2) they
    >>>expect analog to "go away" before the summer. (We're in central NJ.)

    >>
    >> 1) may or may not be true. 2) is a lie - the FCC requires that they
    >> keep analog service running for at least a few more years. (It was
    >> extended before the deadline last time - it might get extended again
    >> next time.)

    >
    >How can (1) be a lie? If she wants to upgrade her phone, how can she
    >force them to continue her analog-only contract?


    How can a contract be analog-only?

    My boss is still on his original Ameritech Cellular (this is Chicago) plan
    which he got when all they had was analog. A couple years ago, his battery
    was shot (he kept the phone plugged in to his cig lighter all the time,
    which was only active with the ignition on) and he went in to get a new
    one; they gave him a StarTac (not sure which model), but after a lot of
    poking around in the computer, they let him keep the plan: IIRC,
    $11.95/mo., no minutes, .27/min peak, .12/min off-peak.

    But now he has a digital phone on that plan.

    --
    David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    "We'll do all right if we can capitalize on our mistakes." - Mickey Rivers,
    Texas Rangers DH, 4/23/84
  15. Scott Nelson

    Scott Nelson Guest

    Lots of different models of Startac's. The first couple of models were
    analog only.

    Scotty



    "David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message
    news:qqsc105oq22pt29bqvrc1hu3aatqt6s57s@4ax.com...
    > On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:50:58 -0500, Mike Roman <eschamp@fastmail.fm> chose
    > to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    > >Al Klein wrote:
    > >> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 18:49:30 -0500, Mike Roman <eschamp@fastmail.fm>
    > >> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:
    > >>
    > >>>Verizon told me a week or so ago that (1) they would not continue my
    > >>>wife's analog service account if she upgraded her phone and (2) they
    > >>>expect analog to "go away" before the summer. (We're in central NJ.)
    > >>
    > >> 1) may or may not be true. 2) is a lie - the FCC requires that they
    > >> keep analog service running for at least a few more years. (It was
    > >> extended before the deadline last time - it might get extended again
    > >> next time.)

    > >
    > >How can (1) be a lie? If she wants to upgrade her phone, how can she
    > >force them to continue her analog-only contract?

    >
    > How can a contract be analog-only?
    >
    > My boss is still on his original Ameritech Cellular (this is Chicago) plan
    > which he got when all they had was analog. A couple years ago, his battery
    > was shot (he kept the phone plugged in to his cig lighter all the time,
    > which was only active with the ignition on) and he went in to get a new
    > one; they gave him a StarTac (not sure which model), but after a lot of
    > poking around in the computer, they let him keep the plan: IIRC,
    > $11.95/mo., no minutes, .27/min peak, .12/min off-peak.
    >
    > But now he has a digital phone on that plan.
    >
    > --
    > David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    > http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    > Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    > "We'll do all right if we can capitalize on our mistakes." - Mickey

    Rivers,
    > Texas Rangers DH, 4/23/84
    >
  16. Scott Nelson

    Scott Nelson Guest

    Another "marketing term" to confuse customers.

    It should be labled as "dual band" "dual mode" so, you can sort of see how
    they get it.
    "Tri mode" = "dual band + dual mode", and the two modes being Analog and
    digital.
    Dual bands in the US are usually 850+Mhz and 1900+Mhz.

    Scotty


    "Steven J Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
    news:hYOdnZschK3SkYrdRVn-sA@lmi.net...
    > Mike Roman <eschamp@fastmail.fm> wrote:
    >
    > > I didn't see any new analog phones so we looked at multimode, clamshell
    > > phones. That's when they said they would not activate a new one of those
    > > on her present account, nor would they let her sign up for an account
    > > extension to get the new phone. It seemed reasonable to ask for a
    > > discount on the phone if she signed up for an additional year or two.
    > > But obviously, we don't know enough!

    >
    > Multimode means what, in this context? I've never heard that term applied
    > to cellular service.
    >
    > --
    > JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, Apple Valley, CA
    > Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) /

    sjsobol@JustThe.net
    > PGP: C57E 8B25 F994 D6D0 5F6B B961 EA08 9410 E3AE 35ED
    >
  17. David L

    David L Guest

    David S <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message news:<qqsc105oq22pt29bqvrc1hu3aatqt6s57s@4ax.com>...
    > On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:50:58 -0500, Mike Roman <eschamp@fastmail.fm> chose
    > to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    > >Al Klein wrote:
    > >> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 18:49:30 -0500, Mike Roman <eschamp@fastmail.fm>
    > >> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:
    > >>
    > >>>Verizon told me a week or so ago that (1) they would not continue my
    > >>>wife's analog service account if she upgraded her phone and (2) they
    > >>>expect analog to "go away" before the summer. (We're in central NJ.)
    > >>
    > >> 1) may or may not be true. 2) is a lie - the FCC requires that they
    > >> keep analog service running for at least a few more years. (It was
    > >> extended before the deadline last time - it might get extended again
    > >> next time.)

    > >
    > >How can (1) be a lie? If she wants to upgrade her phone, how can she
    > >force them to continue her analog-only contract?

    >
    > How can a contract be analog-only?
    >
    > My boss is still on his original Ameritech Cellular (this is Chicago) plan
    > which he got when all they had was analog. A couple years ago, his battery
    > was shot (he kept the phone plugged in to his cig lighter all the time,
    > which was only active with the ignition on) and he went in to get a new
    > one; they gave him a StarTac (not sure which model), but after a lot of
    > poking around in the computer, they let him keep the plan: IIRC,
    > $11.95/mo., no minutes, .27/min peak, .12/min off-peak.
    >
    > But now he has a digital phone on that plan.


    I had an analog only companion plan, just called up Verizon customer
    service and did an ESN swap for a trimode startac. During summer
    travel, I reactivated the 3 watt bag phone. I believe the issue is a
    Verizon target of X dollars minimum charge per plan, not only wether
    it's analog or digital. Inflation makes those minimum use/cost analog
    plans non-revenue producers. It's probably a pain to keep all those
    old plan codes in the billing system as well.

    My advice... keep the plan if it works, activate whatever kind of
    phone you want through an online ESN change. I've never heard of
    Verizon cancelling any grandfathered plan...yet.
    Don't scew around with asking customer service, what they want you to
    do.

    There's piles of perfectly acceptable older model dual/tri handsets
    available on ebay or other sources, cheap, withoout having to play
    contract games.

    As far as one sided contracts... and it's pretty apparent to any
    reasonable person, Verizon's ability to change the contract at
    anytime, falls under the realm of unconcienable. As I understand it,
    means, one party in the contract has an flagrantly illegal or unfair
    advantage...it probably won't hold up, from a usually sympathetic
    court anyway, which, in my estimation, is why Verizon does not seems
    to actually change contracts around very much on consumers, depsite
    the onerous conract wording and their army of lawyers.
    Standard disclaimers, no legal advice offered or intended, YRMV.

    If anyone believes analog still has some advantage in 2007 (hoping we
    all make it), they should force their phone to analog monthly through
    2007 to show support! This little excercise should also give carriers
    some fun statistics to explain, when they go before the FCC :>

    A happy Verizon subscriber....
    -
    David
  18. Scott Nelson

    Scott Nelson Guest

    I force mine to analog mode every chance I get. Not just for the sake of
    doing it though.
    I do it because I like to hear what's going on in the background in
    tele-conference meetings.
    Digital is good at saving power by cutting out all of the background noise
    and only transmitting when it has to.
    That's a good thing normally, unless I want to hear all of the side chatter
    going on.

    Sometimes the side chatter ( side-bars ) are what makes the meeting and not
    the actual meeting.

    I wonder how the FCC is going to verify AMPS usage? Or is it just a question
    of "how many analog plan subscribers do you have left"?
    Is Onstar considered a subscriber itself? Or are they looking at Cell Site
    radio statistics to verify usage or both.

    Scotty


    "David L" <davidlind@my-deja.com> wrote in message
    news:e1705cb3.0401280713.8c49ea2@posting.google.com...
    > David S <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message

    news:<qqsc105oq22pt29bqvrc1hu3aatqt6s57s@4ax.com>...
    > > On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:50:58 -0500, Mike Roman <eschamp@fastmail.fm>

    chose
    > > to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    > >
    > > >Al Klein wrote:
    > > >> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 18:49:30 -0500, Mike Roman <eschamp@fastmail.fm>
    > > >> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:
    > > >>
    > > >>>Verizon told me a week or so ago that (1) they would not continue my
    > > >>>wife's analog service account if she upgraded her phone and (2) they
    > > >>>expect analog to "go away" before the summer. (We're in central NJ.)
    > > >>
    > > >> 1) may or may not be true. 2) is a lie - the FCC requires that they
    > > >> keep analog service running for at least a few more years. (It was
    > > >> extended before the deadline last time - it might get extended again
    > > >> next time.)
    > > >
    > > >How can (1) be a lie? If she wants to upgrade her phone, how can she
    > > >force them to continue her analog-only contract?

    > >
    > > How can a contract be analog-only?
    > >
    > > My boss is still on his original Ameritech Cellular (this is Chicago)

    plan
    > > which he got when all they had was analog. A couple years ago, his

    battery
    > > was shot (he kept the phone plugged in to his cig lighter all the time,
    > > which was only active with the ignition on) and he went in to get a new
    > > one; they gave him a StarTac (not sure which model), but after a lot of
    > > poking around in the computer, they let him keep the plan: IIRC,
    > > $11.95/mo., no minutes, .27/min peak, .12/min off-peak.
    > >
    > > But now he has a digital phone on that plan.

    >
    > I had an analog only companion plan, just called up Verizon customer
    > service and did an ESN swap for a trimode startac. During summer
    > travel, I reactivated the 3 watt bag phone. I believe the issue is a
    > Verizon target of X dollars minimum charge per plan, not only wether
    > it's analog or digital. Inflation makes those minimum use/cost analog
    > plans non-revenue producers. It's probably a pain to keep all those
    > old plan codes in the billing system as well.
    >
    > My advice... keep the plan if it works, activate whatever kind of
    > phone you want through an online ESN change. I've never heard of
    > Verizon cancelling any grandfathered plan...yet.
    > Don't scew around with asking customer service, what they want you to
    > do.
    >
    > There's piles of perfectly acceptable older model dual/tri handsets
    > available on ebay or other sources, cheap, withoout having to play
    > contract games.
    >
    > As far as one sided contracts... and it's pretty apparent to any
    > reasonable person, Verizon's ability to change the contract at
    > anytime, falls under the realm of unconcienable. As I understand it,
    > means, one party in the contract has an flagrantly illegal or unfair
    > advantage...it probably won't hold up, from a usually sympathetic
    > court anyway, which, in my estimation, is why Verizon does not seems
    > to actually change contracts around very much on consumers, depsite
    > the onerous conract wording and their army of lawyers.
    > Standard disclaimers, no legal advice offered or intended, YRMV.
    >
    > If anyone believes analog still has some advantage in 2007 (hoping we
    > all make it), they should force their phone to analog monthly through
    > 2007 to show support! This little excercise should also give carriers
    > some fun statistics to explain, when they go before the FCC :>
    >
    > A happy Verizon subscriber....
    > -
    > David
  19. N9WOS

    N9WOS Guest


    > I had an analog only companion plan, just called up Verizon customer
    > service and did an ESN swap for a trimode startac. During summer
    > travel, I reactivated the 3 watt bag phone. I believe the issue is a
    > Verizon target of X dollars minimum charge per plan, not only wether
    > it's analog or digital. Inflation makes those minimum use/cost analog
    > plans non-revenue producers. It's probably a pain to keep all those
    > old plan codes in the billing system as well.


    VZW is focusing more on ARPU instead of actual profit.

    They are making money on the $11 to $20 plans, but it hurts their ARPU
    figure.
    VZW has two ARPU figures to show.
    One is for their post pay customers, and one is for the prepay customers.

    It's post pay customers normally have a good ARPU, that is a good bragging
    right.
    The prepay customers are normally lower APRU, but still make the company
    money.

    $15 minimum is a base amount that VZW has set for minimum profitability.
    That is what they have restricted their prepay customers to.
    And prepay customers normally cost the same amount to maintain as
    post pay customers that are out of their contract.

    So they are making money on old gramps that is paying $12 to $15 a month,
    But they are forced to group him with the other post pay customers, and
    it cuts their good ARPU figure.

    They would much rather have him grouped with all the other prepay eye sores.
  20. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 07:27:21 GMT, "Scott Nelson"
    <spamcop@bnmnetworks.net> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >"Tri mode" = "dual band + dual mode", and the two modes being Analog and
    >digital.


    Actually, tri-mode means CDMA800, CDMA1900 and analog800. They count
    each interface-band pair as a mode.

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