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New phones! Analog??

Discussion in 'alt.cellular.verizon' started by FELIX, Dec 3, 2003.

  1. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On 28 Jan 2004 07:13:35 -0800, davidlind@my-deja.com (David L) posted
    in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >As far as one sided contracts... and it's pretty apparent to any
    >reasonable person, Verizon's ability to change the contract at
    >anytime, falls under the realm of unconcienable. As I understand it,
    >means, one party in the contract has an flagrantly illegal or unfair
    >advantage.


    Not if the other party can opt out with no penalty, as in this case.



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  2. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:18:25 GMT, "Scott Nelson"
    <spamcop@bnmnetworks.net> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >I wonder how the FCC is going to verify AMPS usage? Or is it just a question
    >of "how many analog plan subscribers do you have left"?
    >Is Onstar considered a subscriber itself?


    Probably not, at least as far as the number the cellphone calls to get
    service from them.
  3. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 06:05:24 GMT, "Scott Nelson"
    <spamcop@bnmnetworks.net> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >I doubt that her/their contract is current but ya never know. More than
    >likely she has gone past the actually contract expire date and it is just a
    >plan now.
    >Even the new contracts are really one way. If you read the small print, it
    >says the carrier can modify or cancel contract anytime they want.
    >Kind of makes you wonder what their definition of contract is but, when you
    >pay for a boat load of lawyers, what chance do we have? ;-)
    >
    >From their website:
    >
    >"Our Rights To Make Changes
    >Your service is subject to our business policies, practices, and procedures,
    >which we can change without notice. WE CAN ALSO CHANGE PRICES AND ANY OTHER
    >TERMS IN THIS AGREEMENT AT ANY TIME BY GIVING YOU WRITTEN NOTICE PRIOR TO
    >THE BILLING PERIOD IN WHICH THE CHANGES WOULD GO INTO EFFECT. IF YOU CHOOSE
    >TO USE YOUR SERVICE AFTER THAT POINT, YOU'RE ACCEPTING THE CHANGES. IF THE
    >CHANGES HAVE A MATERIAL ADVERSE EFFECT ON YOU, HOWEVER, YOU CAN END THE
    >AFFECTED SERVICE, WITHOUT ANY EARLY TERMINATION FEE, JUST BY CALLING US
    >WITHIN 30 DAYS AFTER THE FIRST BILL WHEN THE CHANGES GO INTO EFFECT."


    Read it again. If after a month or two they decide to change things,
    you can cancel with no ETF. There's no tort.
  4. Al Klein

    Al Klein Guest

    On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:53:20 -0500, Mike Roman <eschamp@fastmail.fm>
    posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >I didn't see any new analog phones so we looked at multimode, clamshell
    >phones. That's when they said they would not activate a new one of those
    >on her present account


    But you might be able to activate one.

    >nor would they let her sign up for an account
    >extension to get the new phone.


    Only contracts for currently-offered plans can be extended.

    >It seemed reasonable to ask for a
    >discount on the phone if she signed up for an additional year or two.
    >But obviously, we don't know enough!


    If you buy a new phone - outright - and activate it online, it might
    work. I'd suggest a Motorola StarTac - the 7868. If you can find a
    Radio Shack that still has a refurb (I doubt that there's a new one in
    existence), you can try to activate it right from the store (with
    their "catalog" computer, at www.verizonwireless.com. You'll have to
    set up your account if you haven't already done so.) If it works, buy
    it. If it doesn't, you haven't lost anything.

    If you take a discount on a phone you have to take a new contract -
    and it has to be on a plan that's currently offered. There are no
    current analog plans and there probably will never be any again. Why
    do you wan to keep the old plan? Price?
  5. David S

    David S Guest

    On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:53:20 -0500, Mike Roman <eschamp@fastmail.fm> chose
    to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

    >Al Klein wrote:
    >
    >> Again - was this some rep you asked who gave you the (mis)information,
    >> or was it an inclusion in your bill? Changing the ESN on a contract
    >> isn't grounds for voiding the contract.
    >>
    >> (If you mean that she wanted a subsidized price on a new analog phone,
    >> that's a different matter.)

    >
    >I wanted to get her a new phone because the one she has is prone to
    >being accidentally turned on as it gets barraged by things in the
    >knapsack she carries as a "pocketbook" (there's a misnomer for you!!)
    >
    >I didn't see any new analog phones so we looked at multimode, clamshell
    >phones. That's when they said they would not activate a new one of those
    >on her present account, nor would they let her sign up for an account
    >extension to get the new phone. It seemed reasonable to ask for a
    >discount on the phone if she signed up for an additional year or two.
    >But obviously, we don't know enough!


    As I thought I mentioned already (but I don't see it), my boss got a new
    StarTac (2? 3? 4? years ago) on his original plan dating from before there
    was digital. I don't know for sure, but I think he paid full price for it.

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  6. David S

    David S Guest

    On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 07:23:21 GMT, "Scott Nelson" <spamcop@bnmnetworks.net>
    chose to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and
    everything:

    >"David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message
    >news:qqsc105oq22pt29bqvrc1hu3aatqt6s57s@4ax.com...
    >>
    >> How can a contract be analog-only?
    >>
    >> My boss is still on his original Ameritech Cellular (this is Chicago) plan
    >> which he got when all they had was analog. A couple years ago, his battery
    >> was shot (he kept the phone plugged in to his cig lighter all the time,
    >> which was only active with the ignition on) and he went in to get a new
    >> one; they gave him a StarTac (not sure which model), but after a lot of
    >> poking around in the computer, they let him keep the plan: IIRC,
    >> $11.95/mo., no minutes, .27/min peak, .12/min off-peak.
    >>
    >> But now he has a digital phone on that plan.
    >>

    >Lots of different models of Startac's. The first couple of models were
    >analog only.


    That may be true, but his phone is digital.

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  7. David S

    David S Guest

    On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 04:26:12 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.org> chose to add
    this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

    >On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 08:56:46 GMT, David S
    ><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:
    >
    >>As I thought I mentioned already (but I don't see it), my boss got a new
    >>StarTac (2? 3? 4? years ago) on his original plan dating from before there
    >>was digital. I don't know for sure, but I think he paid full price for it.

    >
    >1) If you pay full price for a phone Verizon has nothing to say about
    >it.


    That's what I thought (though he had the store activate it).

    >2) There have been "StarTACs" since analog days. He could have gotten
    >a new analog StarTAC or he could have gotten a tri-mode StarTAC and
    >only used it on analog.


    That was his intention before he went to the store because at the time,
    they were still charging more for digital (I think; it's not too far from
    the time I got my first digital phone, and I sure wouldn't have paid
    extra). I'll try to get a look at it today, see what model it is and
    whether it uses digital.

    --
    David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    "'I am the Lord your God. Thou shalt worship no other god before me.' Boy,
    those were the days, huh?" - President Jed Bartlet's first line on 'The
    West Wing'
  8. David S

    David S Guest

    On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:15:07 GMT, I <me> chose to add this to the great
    equation of life, the universe, and everything:

    >On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 04:26:12 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.org> chose to add
    >this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    >>On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 08:56:46 GMT, David S
    >><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:
    >>
    >>>As I thought I mentioned already (but I don't see it), my boss got a new
    >>>StarTac (2? 3? 4? years ago) on his original plan dating from before there
    >>>was digital. I don't know for sure, but I think he paid full price for it.

    >>
    >>1) If you pay full price for a phone Verizon has nothing to say about
    >>it.

    >
    >That's what I thought (though he had the store activate it).


    Turns out he got it at Radio Shack.

    >>2) There have been "StarTACs" since analog days. He could have gotten
    >>a new analog StarTAC or he could have gotten a tri-mode StarTAC and
    >>only used it on analog.

    >
    >That was his intention before he went to the store because at the time,
    >they were still charging more for digital (I think; it's not too far from
    >the time I got my first digital phone, and I sure wouldn't have paid
    >extra). I'll try to get a look at it today, see what model it is and
    >whether it uses digital.


    I didn't see a model number anywhere on the outside, didn't know how to
    remove the battery (I could have figured it out given enough time), and
    didn't want to turn it on (not sure that would help anyway), but it says
    "Dual Band" on the front, which is proof enough for me that it's tri-mode.

    --
    David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    "It's best to go to the fish market early Friday morning and leave your
    odor." - Julia Child
  9. Scott Nelson

    Scott Nelson Guest

    I have a dual band on SprintPCS but it is not tri-mode. It does 1900 CDMA
    and 850 AMPS. That's it.
    Weird I know but, it's a Motorola ST7867W it they didn't make it to do 850
    CDMA.... :-(

    Scotty



    "David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message
    news:j2mt10pkasb412h0c57ca4iuatqefuknc4@4ax.com...
    > On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:15:07 GMT, I <me> chose to add this to the great
    > equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >
    > >On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 04:26:12 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.org> chose to add
    > >this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    > >
    > >>On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 08:56:46 GMT, David S
    > >><dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:
    > >>
    > >>>As I thought I mentioned already (but I don't see it), my boss got a

    new
    > >>>StarTac (2? 3? 4? years ago) on his original plan dating from before

    there
    > >>>was digital. I don't know for sure, but I think he paid full price for

    it.
    > >>
    > >>1) If you pay full price for a phone Verizon has nothing to say about
    > >>it.

    > >
    > >That's what I thought (though he had the store activate it).

    >
    > Turns out he got it at Radio Shack.
    >
    > >>2) There have been "StarTACs" since analog days. He could have gotten
    > >>a new analog StarTAC or he could have gotten a tri-mode StarTAC and
    > >>only used it on analog.

    > >
    > >That was his intention before he went to the store because at the time,
    > >they were still charging more for digital (I think; it's not too far from
    > >the time I got my first digital phone, and I sure wouldn't have paid
    > >extra). I'll try to get a look at it today, see what model it is and
    > >whether it uses digital.

    >
    > I didn't see a model number anywhere on the outside, didn't know how to
    > remove the battery (I could have figured it out given enough time), and
    > didn't want to turn it on (not sure that would help anyway), but it says
    > "Dual Band" on the front, which is proof enough for me that it's tri-mode.
    >
    > --
    > David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    > http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    > Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    > "It's best to go to the fish market early Friday morning and leave your
    > odor." - Julia Child
    >
  10. David S

    David S Guest

    On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 06:43:09 GMT, "Scott Nelson" <spamcop@bnmnetworks.net>
    chose to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and
    everything:

    >"David S" <dwstreeter@spamisnaughty.att.net> wrote in message
    >news:j2mt10pkasb412h0c57ca4iuatqefuknc4@4ax.com...
    >> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:15:07 GMT, I <me> chose to add this to the great
    >> equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >>
    >> >On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 04:26:12 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.org> chose to add
    >> >this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
    >> >
    >> >>2) There have been "StarTACs" since analog days. He could have gotten
    >> >>a new analog StarTAC or he could have gotten a tri-mode StarTAC and
    >> >>only used it on analog.
    >> >
    >> >That was his intention before he went to the store because at the time,
    >> >they were still charging more for digital (I think; it's not too far from
    >> >the time I got my first digital phone, and I sure wouldn't have paid
    >> >extra). I'll try to get a look at it today, see what model it is and
    >> >whether it uses digital.

    >>
    >> I didn't see a model number anywhere on the outside, didn't know how to
    >> remove the battery (I could have figured it out given enough time), and
    >> didn't want to turn it on (not sure that would help anyway), but it says
    >> "Dual Band" on the front, which is proof enough for me that it's tri-mode.


    >I have a dual band on SprintPCS but it is not tri-mode. It does 1900 CDMA
    >and 850 AMPS. That's it.


    Given that A: he originally wanted it for analog only, B: he travels to his
    hometown in rural Iowa where they don't (or at least didn't) have digital,
    and C: he's on VZW, I'm sure it's tri-mode.

    --
    David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
    http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
    Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
    "I think that, as Americans, we should be protected from the danger of
    opening an innocent-looking box and finding ourselves confronting a
    crustacean the size of Mary Lou Retton." - Dave Barry

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